Belfast rioting over removal of Union Jack

[imtommygunn]

Or the troubles in the holylands and then somebody's ma can shop them!

It worked well in London - the ones who were at the rioting and looting won't be doing it again in a hurry.

Possibly wishful thinking mind you.

[EC Unique]

To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!

Could they not just publish their photos in the News Letter and Tele like they did with the Ardoyne rioters in the Irish News??

They could.......but.



What about the rioters with masks/flegs covering their faces?

[omagh_gael]

To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!

Could they not just publish their photos in the News Letter and Tele like they did with the Ardoyne rioters in the Irish News??

That would make sense. How soon after the Ardoyne riots did they publish those? Those riots only lasted two/three days IIRC. There have been 40+ instances of protests/riots now which would require a lot of work to get  moving as, no doubt, there would be a load of red tape to go through before they could publish images etc

[imtommygunn]

Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really.  The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.

Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html. It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)

[Milltown Row2]

Or the troubles in the holylands and then somebody's ma can shop them!

It worked well in London - the ones who were at the rioting and looting won't be doing it again in a hurry.

Possibly wishful thinking mind you.

They did this on UTV one night, was a couple of weeks ago in fairness (thought I'd seen an ex student of mine) and I don't watch a lot of news on TV or buy a paper

[Nally Stand]

Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow

[AQMP]

Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really.  The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.

Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html. It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)

This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points.  However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice.  Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.

[Orior]

Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really.  The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.

Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html. It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)

This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points.  However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase"wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice.  Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.

LOL

[imtommygunn]

Loyalists against democracy translation utility: http://lad.eu01.aws.af.cm/?fb

(May have been posted before)

[johnneycool]

Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really.  The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.

Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html. It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)

This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points.  However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice.  Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.

It's well thought out from a unionist perspective as he talks about all the concessions have been on the unionist side.

Well if fair employment legislation, and equal rights to housing, education, an impartial policing service etc are deemed a concession then yes they've had to make concessions but that tells you more about where we were than where we are now.

[ApresMatch]

Good article below

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Peace-in-Northern-Ireland-shattered-by-frustrated-under-educated-Loyalists-whose-union-flag-protests-have-no-clear-endgame-186922241.html?mob-ua=Y

[NAG1]

Good article below

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Peace-in-Northern-Ireland-shattered-by-frustrated-under-educated-Loyalists-whose-union-flag-protests-have-no-clear-endgame-186922241.html?mob-ua=Y

+1

Loyalists have been failed by their organisations for years, be it the paramilitaries dealing their young people drugs, their political representatives not having a clue and always being used by the Unionist big two when they need a reaction of some description for their own gains not the gain of the loyalist people, they continually fail to see that they are used by the Unionists who call the tune.

[Rossfan]

Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow

No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!

Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.

Why do you think that Fear Bun Na Sceilpe is a)wrong in observation and b) his error is motivated by bigotry?

Is it because a)you believe the loyalists complaining about heavy-handiness and b)you believe them because the are well-rounded, open-minded people protesting?

I have yet the here a report of the cops being unable to implement a ruling by the parades commision (where you have large groups wanting/opposing parades).  This suggests that they are well able to clear roads of Orange Order Supporters or Resident Groups objecting. 

So if they are allowing a few hundred kids stop traffic week in/week out I would venture they are more "hands off" than  "tough on Prods" at the moment? 

Then again maybe the forum are right:  if Northern Ireland didn't have devolved government then we wouldn't have taigs in the police and the even-handed RUC wouldn't have morphed into PSNIRA!

/Jim.

Edit: you are right.  I checked Willie Frazer's website and the way forward is clear:

I would appeal to influential republicans to stop their people from attacking Loyalists and Loyalist areas. I would also appeal to the media to be fair and balanced. These two things combined are being used to tarnish and demonize young Loyalists who in many cases are simply protecting themselves, fellow protesters or their area.

[Nally Stand]

Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow

No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....

You're obsessed 

My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.

P.s. http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news/23400