Antrim Hurling

[oisinog]

What I cant understand is how can someone who cant make their clubs starting lineup make the counties starting line up

No harm to C'oC he is a decent keeper but if you are not getting regular league action how can we expect him to play well for the county

McGee is a great keeper but a very bad trainer from what i here.

[Heaneys Wish]

Antrim have had their fair share of GD trying to make a match of it with every other Ulster team.

Plus Hassan is one of the better refs on his day.

Hassan doesn't seem to have any of his better days when a Down team is playing, club or county.

Tommy Mac is like that when Dunloy are playing IMO. Have seen him deliver top class performances elsewhere. Actually he didn't do too bad last night if I'm honest. Both teams played hard but fair and he let the game go I thought to the right degree. It was the sideline cut issue which left everybody bamboozled and seeing as it was a decision which had a massive impact on the game...emotions ran high. Is changing a sideline to a free in the rule book? No one I spoke to had seen it before?

It is if you read the rule book properly, moving it on a further 13metre however isn't so on that one he is incorrect, you can only advance 13m once then your into yellow cards etc etc. Skull maybe this is the problem, no-one knows the actual rules of the game and thus the frustration when a knowledgeable Ref implements them?

[stevecw]

Couldn't make the game Saturday thanks to damn work 
But listened on radio and sounded like a great game. We seemed to play well in that 1st half, but let Antrim back in for a few vital points before HT.

Losing our best forward, and then captain due to injury within 5 mins of 2nd half really cost us it seems. Our subs bench is very weak as we are only choosing from 5 clubs so strength in depth is never gonna be part of any Carlow Hurling squad sadly. The 2 guys came on did nothing by all accounts.

By reports here the ref did everything he could to screw Antrim over and it sounded that way on radio. But looking at the highlights it seems the Antrim peno was very soft as was the free at the end that put you 2 pts up.

Before the game I didn't give us a hope, but sickening to have led by 9 pts and then ended up losing. Its been a decent year for us and at least we have proven we belong at the Liam McCarthy level by beating Laois and coming so close to beating a team in their home ground who drew with Offaly.

7 of our side are U-21 and all bar 3 are under 25 so we can only get better. Fair play to Antrim for their battling, and showing such spirit after being behind all game to come good in last couple of mins. Hopefully ye can win another game or 2.

[oisinog]

If Tommys match report states that he was verbally abused by dunloy players and mentors what will happen with dunloy.

I know it was in a north antrim competition does this get escalated to the county board

[thehurler]

Our sport has no place for players or mentors who abuse officials. Tommy has been all over Ireland refereeing , doing his best as a volunteer with the GAA he has no need to take verbal abuse from anyone. If there are guilty people I hope they are punished and punished heavily , for far too long people get away with it and it continues .
If we want to set an example to our youth we must have zero tolerance , I must add we must be leaders in society and show we are for good example and high standards - let the North Antrim Board show leadership now .
Dunloy remember if you do the crime do the time.
We must be leaders , I sometimes wonder about  Dunloy , at recent matches some of the language and comments from ex players is disgusting so I am not surprised at this latest verbal abuse case.The Dunloy club needs to weed these people out and tell them to stay at Celtic Soccer matches.

[theskull1]

 

Nail 'em up thats what I say 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URTj4naIdAs

That post had nothing to do with your prejudices there sure not hurler? 

[Fairhead]

Our sport has no place for players or mentors who abuse officials. Tommy has been all over Ireland refereeing , doing his best as a volunteer with the GAA he has no need to take verbal abuse from anyone. If there are guilty people I hope they are punished and punished heavily , for far too long people get away with it and it continues .
If we want to set an example to our youth we must have zero tolerance , I must add we must be leaders in society and show we are for good example and high standards - let the North Antrim Board show leadership now .
Dunloy remember if you do the crime do the time.
We must be leaders , I sometimes wonder about  Dunloy , at recent matches some of the language and comments from ex players is disgusting so I am not surprised at this latest verbal abuse case.The Dunloy club needs to weed these people out and tell them to stay at Celtic Soccer matches.

As probably the most experienced current referee in Antrim and having been all over the country refereeing you would think then that he wouldnt fall down on a technical rule. As somebody has said already you can turn a side line in to a free and move forward it 13m. After that you have to issue a yellow card and can't bring it forward another 13m. Of course making an error of judgement in a pressure situation doesnt justify verbal abuse.

[drici]

1: Karl McKeegan gathers the break from a long ball and pops over an Antrim point. 0-1 to 0-0.

4: GOAL! Craig Doyle gained possession, lost it, won it back, let fly, saw his shot saved, grabbed the rebound and stitched a low shot in the net. Carlow 1-0, Antrim 0-1

5: Karl Stewart landed a long range Antrim point. 1-0 to 0-2

8: Paudie Kehoe, at the second attempt, points a 50m. 1-1 to 0-2

10: Paudie points a 45m free after an Antrim defender picks the ball off the ground. 1-2 to 0-2

12: Karl Stewart lands a great long range point. 1-2 to 0-3

13: GOAL! Once more that goal poacher supreme Craig Doyle applied the finishing touch. 2-2 to 0-3

15: Paudie points a 60m free. 2-3 to 0-3

18: Mark Brennan collects a break off a long Eoin Nolan free and pilots over a point. 2-4 to 0-3

21: A superbly constructed team point, Eoin Nolan's diagonal ball into the right corner, played back out by Denis Murphy to Andrew Gaul, the 'Duke' essaying a beautiful crossfield ball to 'Styler' who dissected the posts. 2-5 to 0-3

23: Hugh Paddy O'Byrne collects a pass from Mark Brennan and pops over a point. 2-6 to 0-3

25: Liam Watson drills over an Antrim point from close range. a shot that might have yielded a goal. 2-6 to 0-4

26: Neil McManus picks off a long range point. 2-6 to 0-5

28: Neil McManus converts a '65, 2-6 to 0-6.

33: Neil McManus converts another '65.

HALF-TIME: Antrim 0-07 Carlow 2-06


36: Neil McManus sweeps over a point that could have been a goal. 2-6 to 0-8

38: Shane McNaughton lobs over a mid-distance point. 2-6 to 0-9

40: GOAL! Jacko slips the ball to Paudie Kehoe to the left of the posts, 20m out from where the St Mullins sharpshooter unleashes a thundering shot which rattles the far top corner of the net. 3-6 to 0-9

43: GOAL! Penalty! A Carlow defender gets caught in possession and in the subsequent ground schmozzle Antrim are awarded a dubious penalty which Liam Watson drills to the net, a low hard shot. 3-6 to 1-9

45: Paudie points a 45m free won by Jacko. 37 to 1-9

46: Karl McKeegan picks of an Antrim point from close in. 3-7 to 1-10 : A rousing Carlow point as Alfie hassles an Antrim forward off the ball and Richie Coady's clever clearance into the corner is turned into a white flag by the on fire Craig Doyle. 3-8 to 1-10

50: GOAL! PJ O'Connell whips the sliotar to the net. 3-8 to 2-10

52: Paudie Kehoe's high cross-field side-line cut from the terrace wing is collected by Craig Doyle and swung over the bar. 3-9 to 2-10

54: Karl Stewart points an Antrim free. 3-9 to 2-11

56: Level! Neil McManis points an Antrim free. 3-9 to 2-12

61: A daring raid involving Dessie, Paudie, Alfie and Robbie threatens a goal but yields a 65 that Paudie puts over. 3-10 to 2-12

63: Eddie Byrne wins a long range free that Richie Coady from half way sends spiralling between the posts. 3-11 to 2-12

64: Simon McCrory picks off an Antrim point from the left wing. 3-11 to 2-13

65: Level! Shane McNaughton fires over the equaliser. 3-11 to 2-14

66: An Antrim chop under a long Frank Foley puck-out yields Carlow a free that is brought forward for dissent and Paudie duly taps over from 30m. 3-12 to 2-14

68: Level! Karl McKeegan points from close range after a Carlow defender spills possession in the tackle. 3-12 to 2-15

69: The lead for Antrim for the first time in 65 minutes, Shane McNaughton pointing after a Carlow defender is dispossessed in the tackle. 2-16 to 3-12

70: A good ball out of the left corner sets up Karl McKeegan for a crucial point. 2-17 to 3-12

71: Substitute Eoin McCloskey from the left wing arrows over the closing score of a thrilling game.

FULL-TIME: Antrim 2-18 Carlow 3-12

[oisinog]

Our sport has no place for players or mentors who abuse officials. Tommy has been all over Ireland refereeing , doing his best as a volunteer with the GAA he has no need to take verbal abuse from anyone. If there are guilty people I hope they are punished and punished heavily , for far too long people get away with it and it continues .
If we want to set an example to our youth we must have zero tolerance , I must add we must be leaders in society and show we are for good example and high standards - let the North Antrim Board show leadership now .
Dunloy remember if you do the crime do the time.
We must be leaders , I sometimes wonder about  Dunloy , at recent matches some of the language and comments from ex players is disgusting so I am not surprised at this latest verbal abuse case.The Dunloy club needs to weed these people out and tell them to stay at Celtic Soccer matches.

As probably the most experienced current referee in Antrim and having been all over the country refereeing you would think then that he wouldnt fall down on a technical rule. As somebody has said already you can turn a side line in to a free and move forward it 13m. After that you have to issue a yellow card and can't bring it forward another 13m. Of course making an error of judgement in a pressure situation doesnt justify verbal abuse.

Fairhead this is where the rules are a little bit grey.

You can move the ball 13 meter several times if the ref thinks this is required.

Tommy is not one for handing out yellow cards with a min left I'm sure tommy saw no point in issuing a yellow card as this would have been wiped in extra time

[Heaneys Wish]

Our sport has no place for players or mentors who abuse officials. Tommy has been all over Ireland refereeing , doing his best as a volunteer with the GAA he has no need to take verbal abuse from anyone. If there are guilty people I hope they are punished and punished heavily , for far too long people get away with it and it continues .
If we want to set an example to our youth we must have zero tolerance , I must add we must be leaders in society and show we are for good example and high standards - let the North Antrim Board show leadership now .
Dunloy remember if you do the crime do the time.
We must be leaders , I sometimes wonder about  Dunloy , at recent matches some of the language and comments from ex players is disgusting so I am not surprised at this latest verbal abuse case.The Dunloy club needs to weed these people out and tell them to stay at Celtic Soccer matches.

As probably the most experienced current referee in Antrim and having been all over the country refereeing you would think then that he wouldnt fall down on a technical rule. As somebody has said already you can turn a side line in to a free and move forward it 13m. After that you have to issue a yellow card and can't bring it forward another 13m. Of course making an error of judgement in a pressure situation doesnt justify verbal abuse.

Fairhead this is where the rules are a little bit grey.

You can move the ball 13 meter several times if the ref thinks this is required.

Tommy is not one for handing out yellow cards with a min left I'm sure tommy saw no point in issuing a yellow card as this would have been wiped in extra time

Oisinog, the rule is not grey at all, you cannot move the ball several times if you feel like it, would suggest you study the rules again and this is a prime example of why we have so many problems in the game, and again to be boring and factual yellow cards follow into extra time, its just the players and additional subs than differ if I understand it correct

[imtommygunn]

Yellows carry, reds don't.

[johnneycool]

Yellows carry, reds don't.

If you've received two yellows during ordinary time and hence got a red, you can't reappear for extra time AFAIK.

[the colonel]

Lads you definately can't move it more than once.

The rule states that- free puck 13m more advantageous than the place of the origional puck, up to the opponents 20m line. Further dissent on an occasion shall be considered a breach of rule 6.1 ( a booking) and shall be penailised accordingly

This alway ends up with the ref moving it for you but it is actually up to the player taking the free to decide where the most advantageous position is. Nothing to state you can't move left, right or back.

Another boring fact that if a player hits a shot, and it hits someone not supposed to be there ( a mentor or the ref himself) and the ref believes it was going in then he can award the score.

Situation in our AISF v De La Salle. Declan McKillop sent off in ordinary time for 2 yellows and was allowed to be replaced by a substitute for the remaining time. Declan wasn't allowed to return

[Shrek]

Yellows carry, reds don't.

If you've received two yellows during ordinary time and hence got a red, you can't reappear for extra time AFAIK.

Correct, if you get sent off in normal time you can start extra time with 15 but not the person who got sent off.

I do think the thread is getting away from the fact a referee was verbally abused to the extent that he would not carrry on reffing the match, this IMO is very serious and something (dont know what) should be done about it.

As a neutral i thought Dunloy got the better of the calls so i dont know why they where so irrate.

[NAG1]

Shrek,

I think that the Dunloy folk would disagree with that.

The incident from what I coudl see should have originally been a free to dunloy and instead was given as a line ball.

Verbally absuing a referee is not on at any stage, but why then did Herbie finish the match?