The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[lynchbhoy]

I see the Strachan obsession from certain posters continues but still no admission they were very wrong on Mowbray . Lennon has been saying he has been taking advice from MON and Strachan so nice easy scapegoat on here if it doesnt go well for him....all down to WGS.

sacking a manager in the first year doesnt give them much of a chance.
Again should not be taking in the cheaper guys like Mowbray and strachan in the first place.
While mowbray might not be in alex fergusons league, if fergie got the chop when he deserved to many moons ago (in his first couple of seasons with man u) like the celtic board have done - then man u may well be in the div 2/championship by now - where they were headed at that stage - rather than continuing to chase CL's!

Mowbrays biggest fault was that he didnt cull the (strachans) deadwood earlier in his tenure and he paid for it.

[illdecide]

Gary Bombscare sent off for Wigan this evening.

How was his tattoo looking?

whats that off?

[T Fearon]

Most expert opinion (and thats not just mine by the way ) was that Mowbray alienated too many of the old guard (who have 3 SPL medals in their pockets) and discarded too many too soon. For example letting Mc Manus and Caldwell (two internationals) go, with Loovens injury problems, effectivvely meant that he staked his job on a teenage central defensive pairing that was largely untried.

At least Mc Manus will be back in the summer.

[Estimator]

Gary Bombscare sent off for Wigan this evening.

How was his tattoo looking?

whats that off?

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[lynchbhoy]

Most expert opinion (and thats not just mine by the way ) was that Mowbray alienated too many of the old guard (who have 3 SPL medals in their pockets) and discarded too many too soon. For example letting Mc Manus and Caldwell (two internationals) go, with Loovens injury problems, effectivvely meant that he staked his job on a teenage central defensive pairing that was largely untried.
At least Mc Manus will be back in the summer.

thats complete bulls**t !
'old guard' ?
these are guys that you are talking about are not 'has beens' - they have 'never been's' and were not Celtic Park 'old guard' they were never good enough as central defenders
I hope somone buys mcmanus as I have said on here and long before it that while he is a nice lad and a celtic fan, thats not enough as he hasnt the talent or the positioning let alone a poor left peg and a worse right one.
caldwell -  he is being found out again at wigan....and he was a rubbish defender at hibs too !

btw Mowbray bought three centre halves (Hoiveld, Rogne and Thompson) and brought back O'dea (who was sent away to re-learn and restore his cnfidence as the last season under strachan had destroyed him).
Thats 5 centre halves- unlucky that three of them (inc loovens) have been more or less inj since Christmas.
as for internationals....scotland are closer to the bottom feeders like north of Ireland than brazil or Spain !

[T Fearon]

3 league medals in their pockets all the same, which is three more than Fortune etc will have, when (hopefully) he's moved on at the end of the season.

I thought Mc Manus had a towering game against Man Ure in the CL 1-1 draw in Glasgow in 2008.

As for Caldwell, I don't understand this. Surely he wouldn't be plying his trade in the EPL if he was as bad as people make out?

The most disturbing thing is, that according to Hinkel, Mowbray brutally told those he did'nt rate that they were crap, which is hardly confidence inspiring. All well and good if you are going to have a purge and bring in better players than the ones you're getting rid off. In Mowbray's case, the players brought in were significantly worse than the ones let go.

Unfortunately Celtic are not in the financial position to pay top dollar for top class managers (and the job itself wouldn't be attractive to them either), so we're stuck with candidates of the calibre of Strachan and Mowbray. I think Lennon should be given every chance.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Rankers getting humped by St Johnstone 4-1, it's a start!

[Myles Na G.]

I see the Strachan obsession from certain posters continues but still no admission they were very wrong on Mowbray . Lennon has been saying he has been taking advice from MON and Strachan so nice easy scapegoat on here if it doesnt go well for him....all down to WGS.

sacking a manager in the first year doesnt give them much of a chance.
Again should not be taking in the cheaper guys like Mowbray and strachan in the first place.
While mowbray might not be in alex fergusons league, if fergie got the chop when he deserved to many moons ago (in his first couple of seasons with man u) like the celtic board have done - then man u may well be in the div 2/championship by now - where they were headed at that stage - rather than continuing to chase CL's!

Mowbrays biggest fault was that he didnt cull the (strachans) deadwood earlier in his tenure and he paid for it.

Mowbray should never have been given the job in the first place - his record didn't merit it. He only got the job because he was available, he was relatively cheap, and he had a previous connection with Celtic. His biggest fault is that he is a poor manager. He thinks that if you have 6 attacking players on the field, it's somehow a 'positive'. A pub team manager could've told him that such an approach leads only to 4-0 defeats at the hands of a side which couldn't beat a 9 man Rangers team.

[T Fearon]

Agreed.It seems he was appointed as a "Celtic man" to appease the fans, and the fact that his predecessor was not a Celtic man seems to have been his main liability in the eyes of too many. You could have given Mowbray £200 million and he still wouldn't have put out asuccessful team.

The fact that he wasn't expecting the sack after the defeat to St Mirren shows that he hadn't got a grasp about what being manager of Celtic means and what is expected and what will not be tolerated. The fact that Lennon referred to a softness probably reflects what everyone inside the club felt, no passion, no drive.

Now we can't even get excited about St Johnstone beating Rangers 4-1 (first goal scored by Cilian Sheridan), as it is meaningless thanks to Mowbray

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Tone nothings meaningless, unless mathematically impossible. 
Myles, Mowbray cost us 2 million to buy out his WBA contract and God only knows what sacking him will cost the club! He's been far from cheap.

[Archie Mitchell]

Was Mowbray not on a rolling contract?

Mark Hughes interested in the job. Could be a decent appointment. Done alright at City in his short time there, sorted out a lot of stuff but was out of his depth and wasn't the new owners choice.

[Main Street]

The chances are good that he would be a decent appointment.

[Denn Forever]

The chances are good that he would be a decent appointment.

And hes a Celt.

[lynchbhoy]

Mowbray should never have been given the job in the first place - his record didn't merit it. He only got the job because he was available, he was relatively cheap, and he had a previous connection with Celtic. His biggest fault is that he is a poor manager. He thinks that if you have 6 attacking players on the field, it's somehow a 'positive'. A pub team manager could've told him that such an approach leads only to 4-0 defeats at the hands of a side which couldn't beat a 9 man Rangers team.

the bit in bold is in line with what I am saying - getting in bargain basement managers (even if they cost 2 million in compensation). Most other clubs try to line up a new manager for months before the existing one leaves - if the existing manager has the decency to warn the club - or not in this case last season.
so the Celtic appointment was hurried and the first couple of choices turned them down.
mowbray might have been a Celtic man, but the problem was that giving modern day players the hairdryer treatment doesnt work any more. they are too soft.He told them what exactly they were.
Roy keane having the same kind of bother at ipswich. That used to work, and worked for players when both of these men played. It is no longer the case.
Mark hughes also doesnt have enough exp imo. Though he has more exp than Lennon.

[T Fearon]

Well the hairdryer seems to work for Fergie still.

Realistically its not who Celtic want as manager but who is willing to take the job. Hughes will jump at the first English premiership job that comes his way, Lambert may or may not fancy moving to Glasgow at this stage, I can't see any of the European big hitters being interested, so it  looks like your left with Lennon Versus the likes of Lambert, and if Lennon proves himself between now and the end of the season he deserves at least a one year rolling contract.