The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[lynchbhoy]

At least you are willing to give Strachan a bit of time at Boro Lynchboy. His cause was greatly helped by their two best players being sold (Tuncay & Huth) before he arrived

I thought he'd not be too bad there - but a lot of boro fans seem to have lost patience with him already
see this excerpt below - sent to me by a friend who got it from a boro message board


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My patience is running really thin, real, really thin. Gorden my friend, you are making Southgate look ultimately professional.

I fear the wrong bloke is in place to do it.Everybody at Oakwell knows he is getting it wrong big style.His substitution yesterday was beyond belief.certain players are frozen out for no apparent reason.
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I get the feeling that people are getting carried away with our 3 0 home win against a newly promoted team who have hardly won a match all season; and who had to cope with having only 10 men for 80 minutes after us being awarded a shady penalty that never was in a million years.

How can we celebrate a win like that. Im not saying we didn't deserve a bit of the luck other teams have had against us for the last 3 seasons; Im just not going to get carried away winning a match we should be winning even against 11 men.

Well, it looks like business as usual after yesterdays awful performance by the players; and yet more inept decisions by the inept manager we find ourselves with. The decision to play Arca instead of Yeates is puzzling to say the least. Ali was left out because of a slip of the tongue when he said he wasn't impressed by Strachans appointment in his post match interview; and that is despite Strachan saying he was injured. He continues to play Johnson despite his obvious lack of interest; and playing Hoyte out of position at left back is neither helping the team or Hoyte himself.

This post is not about Gareth, it is about Strachan. I know some of you are bored having to read the same argument but I will shut up if you stop avoiding the question and answer it.

The question is; please tell me of of just one tiny improvement Strachan has made since his arrival.

Are we higher in the league?
Are we playing better football?
Are we scoring more goals?
Are we conceding less goals?
Are our tactics better?
Are the team selections and formations better?
Have we accumulated more points over the second 1/4 of the season than we did in the first?
Are we still within 1 point from the top?
Has Strachans appointment guaranteed us promotion through an automatic place at the first attempt?
Are the players trying harder under Strachan?
Have the crowd figures gone back up to an acceptable figure?

Can anyone answer yes to any of the above questions?

Strachans only achievement so far has been our home form is now as good as our away form.

Did anyone see the Newcastle Derby County match last night. 0 0. Makes our 2 0 home win against Derby look like a good result doesn't it.

I dont have anything against Starchan as such. I just dont believe he is right for us. I said a few weeks ago that St Ledger would probably not complete his move here because he only came for Gareth. I know he didn't set the place on fire but his form dipped when Gareth was sacked. If Strachan cant handle the likes of him what chance do we have. Strachan could not even persuade him to stay here on a much better contract and better money than Preston are paying him.
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im so livid with the chuckle brothers, manager, coaching staff and playing staff. i have lost all hope for this season if we finish within 5 points of the play offs by the end i will consider that a decent posistion based on current form. Sad
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My question only refers to what improvement the appointment of Strachan has brought us.

From what I am told the St Ledger affair is as follows.
He only came here after Gareth impressed and St Ledger was a massive fan of Gareth's both as a player; and what he was trying to do as a manager. He has not got on with Strachan since his arrival and has held the sacking of Gareth against him. He doesn't like Strachans ethics or values and dislikes even more his pettiness. St Ledger had made up his mind almost immediately that he did not want to stay the minute Gareth was sacked. Nothing that Strachan was going to say would have changed his mind.

We have lost 1.5 mil plus his wages for the loan period because Lamb agreed to pay without ensuring the players signature. Gareth did not negotiate the terms of the contract.

The falling out between Strachan and St Ledger did not help matters, but he still would have gone regardless.
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[Myles Na G.]

I am not making any case for Strachan, though you have to admit he did win three titles and gave us some great European occasions.

It is my view that Celtic are in a worse place now than this time last year and I don't see any signs that Mowbray is the man to turn things around.

strachan was also responsible for gifting away two titles and while a couple of great years and last 16 in CL were fantastic - the alternative seasons where Celtic were a joke and beaten out the gate even the achievements up.

Martin O'Neill lost at least one if not two league titles in last day fiascos.

one with an aging team, no money to spend and distracted by a wife diagnosed with Cancer - but apart from that yes .

but which of those managers would you prefer to have !

Yeah, 'cos he got Lennon, Sutton, Hartson and Thompson for free. 

wonderful knowledge of Celtic yet again - were these signed in the last year or so of MON's Celtic reign ?

Nope - they were signed in the early days, thus laying the foundation for O'Neill's successful tenure at CP. Unfortunately, neither Strachan nor Mowbray were given the same cash to splash. This makes Strachan's success all the more praiseworthy, in my view.

so we have established that MON didnt have money to spend at the end of his Celtic reign, and the money he did spend only took Celtic from the depths from where they were , to then be in a position to finally compete with rangers and euro teams etc
strachan arrived and took an aging yet higher level side and fecked it up - much the same as he is doing with boro right now...
strachan took Celtic down a bit and Mowbray is having to rebuild  and doing a decent job of it

so what you are saying  about strachan being good is just your opinion - much as the reverse opinion on him  is mine !

He fecked it up how? By winning 3 league titles and taking the Hoops to the last 16 in the CL, something the Blessed Martin never achieved even with all his millions? If that's fecking it up, I wish Mowbray would do the same.

[lynchbhoy]

I am not making any case for Strachan, though you have to admit he did win three titles and gave us some great European occasions.

It is my view that Celtic are in a worse place now than this time last year and I don't see any signs that Mowbray is the man to turn things around.

strachan was also responsible for gifting away two titles and while a couple of great years and last 16 in CL were fantastic - the alternative seasons where Celtic were a joke and beaten out the gate even the achievements up.

Martin O'Neill lost at least one if not two league titles in last day fiascos.

one with an aging team, no money to spend and distracted by a wife diagnosed with Cancer - but apart from that yes .

but which of those managers would you prefer to have !

Yeah, 'cos he got Lennon, Sutton, Hartson and Thompson for free. 

wonderful knowledge of Celtic yet again - were these signed in the last year or so of MON's Celtic reign ?

Nope - they were signed in the early days, thus laying the foundation for O'Neill's successful tenure at CP. Unfortunately, neither Strachan nor Mowbray were given the same cash to splash. This makes Strachan's success all the more praiseworthy, in my view.

so we have established that MON didnt have money to spend at the end of his Celtic reign, and the money he did spend only took Celtic from the depths from where they were , to then be in a position to finally compete with rangers and euro teams etc
strachan arrived and took an aging yet higher level side and fecked it up - much the same as he is doing with boro right now...
strachan took Celtic down a bit and Mowbray is having to rebuild  and doing a decent job of it

so what you are saying  about strachan being good is just your opinion - much as the reverse opinion on him  is mine !

He fecked it up how? By winning 3 league titles and taking the Hoops to the last 16 in the CL, something the Blessed Martin never achieved even with all his millions? If that's fecking it up, I wish Mowbray would do the same.

a hell of a lot easier after the legacy (winning) that MON left behind for him
plus what about the two fiascos in CL that MON would have never allowed happen - plus artmedia bratislava
MON's teams only threw away one league (as we mentioned there was huge distraction at that time for him) - strachan did two

anyhow watch him at boro and how well he is doing there...
seems to have money to spend as well ...

[saffron sam2]

I personally hope Walter Smith (someone I actually admire for being an "old school" manager) chews his bollox off, in order to get him back on track, otherwise a potentially outstanding NI No.9 will fail to fulfil that potential.

Feck, twice in one post. You're doomed, man.

I've read this a couple of times and I'm still not sure what you mean. 

Sorry, a touch ambiguous. I was agreeing with your point about Walter Smith. Hence we have found common ground twice in one post. 

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think I might be "proud" of Lafferty's shocker of a tackle in an Old Firm game...

I was unaware you were still waiting an explanation, given that you appear (albeit erroneously) to have attempted an explanation yourself.

[Evil Genius]

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think I might be "proud" of Lafferty's shocker of a tackle in an Old Firm game...

I was unaware you were still waiting an explanation, given that you appear (albeit erroneously) to have attempted an explanation yourself.

You don't get off that easily.

I repeat, why did you assume that I would have been "proud" of a (terrible) tackle by Lafferty in an OF match?

Is it because I am a "Prod/NI fan/bigot" etc, so am sure to love it when another "Prod/NI player/bigot" etc nearly cripples one of them "Celtic/Fenian/Taig bas tards" at Parkhead?

If so, you couldn't be more wrong and unless you can come up with some other plausible explanation for your outburst, then that comment says everything* about you, and sod-all about me.

* - In case you still don't get it, try Googling the word "Prejudice"; you know, pre-judging   and all that...

[Main Street]

Why don't you 2 kids take your ambiguities, explanations, misunderstandings, self realisations and general toilet banter to another thread 

[saffron sam2]

I repeat, why did you assume that I would have been "proud" of a (terrible) tackle by Lafferty in an OF match?

Because yourself and young Kyle have loads in common. Both of you are products of the Fermanagh and Western and have moved on to bigger and better things (marginally so in Lafferty's case), whilst not forgetting where you're from. Lafferty's tackle is one that, in my experience, any Fermanagh and Western player would have been proud of.

Is it because I am a "Prod/NI fan/bigot" etc, so am sure to love it when another "Prod/NI player/bigot" etc nearly cripples one of them "Celtic/Fenian/Taig bas tards" at Parkhead?

If so, you couldn't be more wrong and unless you can come up with some other plausible explanation for your outburst, then that comment says everything* about you, and sod-all about me.

* - In case you still don't get it, try Googling the word "Prejudice"; you know, pre-judging   and all that...

Whilst I am googling "Prejudice", you could also google the word "Paranoia". There are several other "Prods/NI fans" (sic) who post on this site and many other "Prod/NI players" (sic) who I have commented on in the past (and will do so in the future). Yet your paranoid theory would only stand up if I was denouncing each and every one as a bigot. I don't and won't. Had I said "all owc posters who post on the gaaboard would be proud" then you may have had a point. You don't and never will.

My opinion of you is based solely on what you post here and on owc.

[Evil Genius]

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Quote from: Evil Genius on January 06, 2010, 09:38:45 PM
I repeat, why did you assume that I would have been "proud" of a (terrible) tackle by Lafferty in an OF match?


Because yourself and young Kyle have loads in common. Both of you are products of the Fermanagh and Western and have moved on to bigger and better things (marginally so in Lafferty's case), whilst not forgetting where you're from. Lafferty's tackle is one that, in my experience, any Fermanagh and Western player would have been proud of.

Frankly, as an exercise in defending the indefensible, that effort has all the credibility/desperation of a DUP Press Conference on Marriage Guidance.
Both "products" of the F&W, is it? How come you don't lump me in with eg Andy Little, Shane McCabe or (to get to my own era) Jimmy Cleary?
And going on to "bigger and better things"? What is that supposed to mean? That, like Lafferty, I bought my first Bentley at the age of 20 (to park outside my £1m+ City penthouse)?
As for "forgetting where we're from", I would hope that I have never forgotten my roots. However, the problem with Lafferty, which I have alluded to on this Board and elsewhere, is exactly that he has forgotten where he came from...
So in the absence of any actual evidence, I'd be obliged if you didn't lump me in with an (apparently) juvenile idiot, who has let a smidgen of early success go to his head...
http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/141724-rangers-stars-in-dressing-room-war-of-words/
As for "any F&W player" being "proud" of Laff's tackle, you're not even kidding yourself, never mind me or anyone
else, when you try to claim ex post facto that that was what prompted you to link me with this incident...

P.S. If you knew anything about my links with the F&W, you'd also know that as a former Lisnarick Utd man, I wouldn't p1ss on an NFC Kesh boy like Lafferty...

Is it because I am a "Prod/NI fan/bigot" etc, so am sure to love it when another "Prod/NI player/bigot" etc nearly cripples one of them "Celtic/Fenian/Taig bas tards" at Parkhead?

If so, you couldn't be more wrong and unless you can come up with some other plausible explanation for your outburst, then that comment says everything* about you, and sod-all about me.

* - In case you still don't get it, try Googling the word "Prejudice"; you know, pre-judging   and all that...

Whilst I am googling "Prejudice", you could also google the word "Paranoia". There are several other "Prods/NI fans" (sic) who post on this site and many other "Prod/NI players" (sic) who I have commented on in the past (and will do so in the future). Yet your paranoid theory would only stand up if I was denouncing each and every one as a bigot. I don't and won't. Had I said "all owc posters who post on the gaaboard would be proud" then you may have had a point. You don't and never will.

My opinion of you is based solely on what you post here and on owc.

Don't try to deflect away from the subject, or claim that just because you didn't smear others, then somehow your attempt to smear me is somehow nullified or excused.
Neither should you try to pin the blame on my "paranoias". The simple fact is, you made an insulting personal remark about me, apparently motivated by your (prejudicial) impressionof me. Moreover, when challenged about this, you have been entirely unable to give a credible alternative explanation for your slur.
As for  your forming your impression "solely on what I post on here and on owc", that is possibly the most pathetic "defence" of the lot.
For insofar as I have (very infrequently) posted on OF matters on this Board, my last contribution on this thread was to post my admirtation for Niall mcGinn.
And as someone who lurks on owc, then you must know that if anything, I have only disdain for both OF clubs generally, and for the increasingly embarrassing antics of Lafferty specifically.

P.S. Whilst we're on the subject of personal assessments, I can only judge you by what you post here. In which case, if your intervention against me on this thread is anything to go by, you are cheap, pathetic, evasive and prejudiced. Congratulations.

[Main Street]

 

Do this thread some respect and fcuk off.

[saffron sam2]

Frankly, as an exercise in defending the indefensible, that effort has all the credibility/desperation of a DUP Press Conference on Marriage Guidance.

"Defending the indefensibly", I fear you are losing the run of yourself. By the way, your analogy, though topical, is not in any way humorous.

Both "products" of the F&W, is it? How come you don't lump me in with eg Andy Little, Shane McCabe or (to get to my own era) Jimmy Cleary?

Are you not both products of the F&W? I will most assuredly lump you in with any of those examples you have given, although your reference to Andy Little is the only one I can find on the board. Shane McCabe's achievements to date are barely worthy of mention. But when Jimmy Cleary comes up I'll certainly mention your pride in your former club mate.

And going on to "bigger and better things"? What is that supposed to mean? That, like Lafferty, I bought my first Bentley at the age of 20 (to park outside my £1m+ City penthouse)?

It's supposed to mean that by leaving the water-logged, bog-ridden hellhole, Fermanagh, you have moved on to bigger and better things. You, Kyle Lafferty, FermGael, everyone else from Fermanagh who left that place. Hope this is specific, though at the same time all-encompassing, enough for you.

As for "forgetting where we're from", I would hope that I have never forgotten my roots. However, the problem with Lafferty, which I have alluded to on this Board and elsewhere, is exactly that he has forgotten where he came from.

Had you read my post, you would have seen that I remarked upon how you hadn't forgotten where you came from. Nor, for that matter, do I believe Kyle Lafferty has forgotten his Erne roots. It's more likely that he is simply a youngster who has let a smidgen of early success go to his head.

As for "any F&W player" being "proud" of Laff's tackle, you're not even kidding yourself, never mind me or anyone else, when you try to claim ex post facto that that was what prompted you to link me with this incident...

Such a tackle is one that you see week-in, week-out in all the Junior soccer leagues under the jurisdiction of the IFA, including the F&W. I've seen plenty of gulpins boasting away about such tackles in the safety of the pub after a game.

Your use of Latin, whilst impressive, is inappropriate in this case.

P.S. If you knew anything about my links with the F&W, you'd also know that as a former Lisnarick Utd man, I wouldn't p1ss on an NFC Kesh boy like Lafferty...

I knew not of your playing career at Lisnarick, since you've only ever mentioned an affiliation to Enniskillen Rangers. However I would differ from you on this point. I would wish anyone well if they have the opportunity to play any sport professionally, regardless of whether or not they played for Kesh. That has included in the past, although the post has now gone, one Kyle Lafferty.

Don't try to deflect away from the subject, or claim that just because you didn't smear others, then somehow your attempt to smear me is somehow nullified or excused.

You brought in the "Is it because I is a Prod?" theory, hence I am not deflecting anything. I am simply comprehensively debunking your attempts to sectarianise the debate by playing the oppressed Prod (sic) card.

Neither should you try to pin the blame on my "paranoias". The simple fact is, you made an insulting personal remark about me, apparently motivated by your (prejudicial) impressionof me.

You ask me to look up prejudice, yet it is you who appears not to understand what it might mean. I can either have a prejudged opinion of you, in which case, I would have the same opinion of all other owc posters or an opinion that I have formed from reading your contributions on this and another website. You are also easily insulted by the way. Hopefully, you're not fat or bald.

As for  your forming your impression "solely on what I post on here and on owc", that is possibly the most pathetic "defence" of the lot.

And yet, 'tis the one you end your own post with.

For insofar as I have (very infrequently) posted on OF matters on this Board, my last contribution on this thread was to post my admirtation for Niall mcGinn.

An interesting, if totally, irrelevant aside. One could almost mention the word "whataboutery"

And as someone who lurks on owc, then you must know that if anything, I have only disdain for both OF clubs generally, and for the increasingly embarrassing antics of Lafferty specifically.

Haven't really lurked that much since it became pay-per-view, although Tubby Morton's history threads are good.

P.S. Whilst we're on the subject of personal assessments, I can only judge you by what you post here. In which case, if your intervention against me on this thread is anything to go by, you are cheap, pathetic, evasive and prejudiced. Congratulations.

Happy to be judged on what I post here, you couldn't form a non-prejudiced opinion otherwise. Thanks for the description; I was concerned we were getting on too well.

[the colonel]

Serious hijacking of a thread there lads

Anyway, looks like Strachan is gonna do us a favour a take a good few of the players we won't be needing anymore. Wouldn't want to see Caldwell go though. Would rather get rid of McMaus.

Signings are a wee bit less clear. Mesenguez could be coming, we were linked to him at the start of the year. Used to be at WBA

[T Fearon]

The question is are the players being brought in really any better than those being let go. Caldwell, Mc Manus, Robson and all have experience of winning SPL titles, which is more than can be said for the likes of Kitson and former WBA rejects

[Main Street]

According to Sky Sports, Strachan (somewhat struck with the Keane transfer method syndrome)
is being linked to Caldwell, Flood, Wilson, Killen  and Robson.
Out of that bunch, I have warmed a bit to Robson, who I'd regard as a good all round midfielder to have in the squad.
I wonder what the odds are that some club will make an irresistible offer for McGeady

[stiffler]

Birmingham have made an approach for mc geady, rejected straight away

[lynchbhoy]

According to Sky Sports, Strachan (somewhat struck with the Keane transfer method syndrome)
is being linked to Caldwell, Flood, Wilson, Killen  and Robson.
Out of that bunch, I have warmed a bit to Robson, who I'd regard as a good all round midfielder to have in the squad.
I wonder what the odds are that some club will make an irresistible offer for McGeady

apart from robson, i'd be actually delighted at all of those going.
I'd also try to offload mccourt and mcginn who imo are never going to be good enough.

Tony - a lot of fellas have championship medals - it doesnt mean theyare any good.
Not sure if he has but the likes of henri camara has at least a cup winners medal and he is pure rubbish...
there are good players available without spending huge wads.
I'd take danny shittu over caldwell any day.
Sol campbell was doing nothing for ages- I am sure he coul dhave been convinced to take a huge wage cut to be in the shop window again and playing at least for half a season.
Also I reckon that clubs in financial trouble like portsmouth,west ham, watford etc would have a player or two that would augment the team/squad....