The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[lenny]

Have UEFA or FIFA not previously said that although a new company they are still the same club and if for arguments sake they win the scottish league next season then it won't be classed as their first title but will simply be added to the dozens the club won previously.

Where did you see that or are you just making it up. Fifa have made it clear in some statements that they are regarded as a completely new club.

[Milltown Row2]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

[snoopdog]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

[Arthur_Friend]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

[Maroon Manc]

Are Celtic debt free?

[Milltown Row2]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

[snoopdog]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

Fact is celtic would be small time without Rangers you guys need them as much as they need you. Debt or not new club or not. Not so long ago celtic were nearly bust.

[Arthur_Friend]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

It's basically because when it comes to trophies and honours Rangers claim to be the same club but when it comes to the debt of Old Rangers they claim it's nothing to do with them.

[trueblue1234]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

Mars did not go into liquidation. If you don't understand that, then there's no where to go really is there?

[Arthur_Friend]

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thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

Fact is celtic would be small time without Rangers you guys need them as much as they need you. Debt or not new club or not. Not so long ago celtic were nearly bust.

I'm not a Celtic fan. I did find the whole Rangers meltdown interesting though. Rangers are a new startup with all the assets (and fans) of the old club. Rules were broken even to get them into Scottish League 2.

[Milltown Row2]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

It's basically because when it comes to trophies and honours Rangers claim to be the same club but when it comes to the debt of Old Rangers they claim it's nothing to do with them.

So the nitty gritty is basically bragging rights?

[ned]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

Either you are at the wind up or you are genuine in your enquiry. Either way here goes.
This has nothing to do with how many trophies that their first incarnation won other than that for 20odd years they were aided by financial doping (never mind the help from officialdom, that's a whole other story).
This is about the alleged dodgy dealings between Murray and his masonic cronies at the bank. If they had not cheated they would have been well down in terms of success. In the early 1990's A Director of Rangers warned Murray about his running of the club and where it was leading. His and their arrogance and sense of entitlement led them to where they were 5years ago and eventual LIQUIDATION. Also this is not an 'obsession' just for Celtic fans,  most other clubs in Scotland wanted the same as us,  justice.
This was actually symptomatic of how things have worked in Scotland for many many years and does not just relate to football. Look up Skye bridge scandal on Google!

[tonto1888]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

Fact is celtic would be small time without Rangers you guys need them as much as they need you. Debt or not new club or not. Not so long ago celtic were nearly bust.

nearly being the operative word here. Celtic did not go bust, did not get liquidated.

[screenexile]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

It's basically because when it comes to trophies and honours Rangers claim to be the same club but when it comes to the debt of Old Rangers they claim it's nothing to do with them.

Their website still lists their same honours and I'm pretty sure the trophy room in Ibrox is still there... it's the same club lads and as much as it shouldn't be that's fair enough but it's still Rangers!!

[Milltown Row2]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

so no one has answered my point, is it because Rangers have a better domestic history than Celtic in terms of leagues and the like, do they feel this Rangers (the new ones) are a completely different club with no history? Marathon changed its name to Snickers ... still a Marathon to me

Either you are at the wind up or you are genuine in your enquiry. Either way here goes.
This has nothing to do with how many trophies that their first incarnation won other than that for 20odd years they were aided by financial doping (never mind the help from officialdom, that's a whole other story).
This is about the alleged dodgy dealings between Murray and his masonic cronies at the bank. If they had not cheated they would have been well down in terms of success. In the early 1990's A Director of Rangers warned Murray about his running of the club and where it was leading. His and their arrogance and sense of entitlement led them to where they were 5years ago and eventual LIQUIDATION. Also this is not an 'obsession' just for Celtic fans,  most other clubs in Scotland wanted the same as us,  justice.
This was actually symptomatic of how things have worked in Scotland for many many years and does not just relate to football. Look up Skye bridge scandal on Google!

I know they were cooking the books, what company doesn't?