The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[foxcommander]

Since this is a new club with no league trophies surely Rangers shouldn't be wearing the 5 stars on their badge unless they are fans of

[ashman]

The seethe here is comical .  One British soccerball team beat another British soccerball team each from a dump of a city .  You know none of the well remunerated players , the clubs have no real impact on your lives and yet many refer to these organisations as "us " and "we".

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

If the club currently operating out of Ibrox is the same club as the liquidated one, how come both existed simultaneously for a period of time and how come the former needed the transfer of a licence from the latter to be allowed to compete in their stead?

I'm confused.

[Applesisapples]

Guys whatever about the corporate Rangers, when it comes down to it the people that matter i.e. the supporters really make the club what it is, so Rangers is Rangers. It is a moot point as to whether they can claim the honours of past teams, but going forward fans on both sides will see the matches for what they are, a chance to be top dog for a day. It was good to see agreement between both sets of supporters as the Rangers fans struck up a chorus of "your getting sacked in the morning" for aul Delilah.

[Milltown Row2]

Guys whatever about the corporate Rangers, when it comes down to it the people that matter i.e. the supporters really make the club what it is, so Rangers is Rangers. It is a moot point as to whether they can claim the honours of past teams, but going forward fans on both sides will see the matches for what they are, a chance to be top dog for a day. It was good to see agreement between both sets of supporters as the Rangers fans struck up a chorus of "your getting sacked in the morning" for aul Delilah.

Agreed

[straightred]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

Fact is celtic would be small time without Rangers you guys need them as much as they need you. Debt or not new club or not. Not so long ago celtic were nearly bust.

Glad you brought that up. At the time everyone knew that the club history was on the line but Fergus McCann stepped in, settled the debt and took the club back form the brink.Every penny was paid and it is his legacy that the club is debt free today.

The exact same arguments then took place when rangers got into trouble with even the not so neutral Walter Smith weighing in and saying that the history would be gone if they were liquidated. There were liquidated and they died. Its actually far worse than this as it turns out that as as many as 9 of their titles were funded through illegal tax scams but Scotland being scotland that too has gone unchecked.

In terms of were we are now you'll find that the average rangers fan thinks that saying something often enough will make it true. It wont. Every club will remind them from now to eternity of how they walked away on almost 300 creditors and expected  them all to forgive and forget. The fans might be the same an dthe stadium might be the same but the club isn't. It simply can't be no matter how much they wish it could.

[straightred]

thought I'd posted this..... Anyway the talk about Rangers not being Rangers.... is it down to the fact that Celtic fans can now say that the new Rangers will never match Celtic record and Celtic will eventually beat Rangers record, so becoming the most successful domestic team in Scotland? Is that it? Rangers still play in Ibrox, same fans and same tops?

They were liquidated, that is not in question. They changed their name to the rangers and started up again as a new club.

Yep, that's the answer I was expecting

Same stadium same sectarian fan base.  Same club. You guys are kidding yourselves in a pointless argument.

So they'll have a lot of debt to pay back then?

Fact is celtic would be small time without Rangers you guys need them as much as they need you. Debt or not new club or not. Not so long ago celtic were nearly bust.

I'm not a Celtic fan. I did find the whole Rangers meltdown interesting though. Rangers are a new startup with all the assets (and fans) of the old club. Rules were broken even to get them into Scottish League 2.
[/quote]

They pulled yet another stroke to allow that to happen. Dodgy handshakes will get you a long way in Scotland

[straightred]

Have UEFA or FIFA not previously said that although a new company they are still the same club and if for arguments sake they win the scottish league next season then it won't be classed as their first title but will simply be added to the dozens the club won previously.

Naw - lots of claims have been made but I've yet to see anything official or credible from UEFA
UEFA will be able to avoid the issue as their team coefficent is calculated based on the previous 5 years performance in europe. Any points that the old club will have accumulated will have expired so the problem will have gone away.

[rrhf]

Surely the assets could have been bought by Celtic. Even the trophy cabinet was buyable, but in business whoever buys it owns it..... Would have left the celts way out on their own in their kingdom of one.

[Milltown Row2]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

[straightred]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

First sentence - agreed
second sentence - you can only dance with the woman in the hall but a win is still a win

[ned]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

First sentence - agreed
second sentence - you can only dance with the woman in the hall but a win is still a win

You are definitely at the wind up MR. Are you a soccer fan or just a troll? Obviously, I think,  being on this site your main thing is GAA but do you have a soccer team you follow? As Celtic fans, we (I make no apologies for using we and us, as Celtic mean more to me than anything other than family - as it is with many other Celtic fans) will savour every title as if it was the last no matter the circumstances. Dominance by one club in league competition happens the world over and not just in soccer. Did St Galls get fed up winning the Antrim Championship all those years? Was that only because the Johnnies were at a low ebb? Absolutely not!
Of course winning a competition is all the sweeter when there is strong competition but never will winning the Scottish league be a chore........ Unless we are winning it for the twentieth time in a row by 20+ points. However we will more than likely have gone to a different set up before that happens.  European super leagues anyone?

[Milltown Row2]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

First sentence - agreed
second sentence - you can only dance with the woman in the hall but a win is still a win

You are definitely at the wind up MR. Are you a soccer fan or just a troll? Obviously, I think,  being on this site your main thing is GAA but do you have a soccer team you follow? As Celtic fans, we (I make no apologies for using we and us, as Celtic mean more to me than anything other than family - as it is with many other Celtic fans) will savour every title as if it was the last no matter the circumstances. Dominance by one club in league competition happens the world over and not just in soccer. Did St Galls get fed up winning the Antrim Championship all those years? Was that only because the Johnnies were at a low ebb? Absolutely not!
Of course winning a competition is all the sweeter when there is strong competition but never will winning the Scottish league be a chore........ Unless we are winning it for the twentieth time in a row by 20+ points. However we will more than likely have gone to a different set up before that happens.  European super leagues anyone?

I put a smiley face on end of last post... I would have a passing interest in Utd.... But give me a hurling game on at same time id watch the hurling...its the mad fans that grate on me

[ned]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

First sentence - agreed
second sentence - you can only dance with the woman in the hall but a win is still a win

You are definitely at the wind up MR. Are you a soccer fan or just a troll? Obviously, I think,  being on this site your main thing is GAA but do you have a soccer team you follow? As Celtic fans, we (I make no apologies for using we and us, as Celtic mean more to me than anything other than family - as it is with many other Celtic fans) will savour every title as if it was the last no matter the circumstances. Dominance by one club in league competition happens the world over and not just in soccer. Did St Galls get fed up winning the Antrim Championship all those years? Was that only because the Johnnies were at a low ebb? Absolutely not!
Of course winning a competition is all the sweeter when there is strong competition but never will winning the Scottish league be a chore........ Unless we are winning it for the twentieth time in a row by 20+ points. However we will more than likely have gone to a different set up before that happens.  European super leagues anyone?

I put a smiley face on end of last post... I would have a passing interest in Utd.... But give me a hurling game on at same time id watch the hurling...its the mad fans that grate on me

I know you like 'banter' MR as winessed on the Antrim hurling thread! I would prefer a bad game of hurling over any soccer game apart from Celtic but being an exile my viewing of the best game in the world is limited.
By the way Utd fans are some of the scummiest about as witnessed when they and the scousers get together. I do hate how Celtic fans are targeted for their behaviour when it is probably better than most, the sectarian factor is over played. You think Celtic v Rangers is bad? There are countless rivalries around Europe and beyond which are exponentially worse. The Glasgow derby is hyped like so much on these islands. We are an insular lot us 'K'elts.

[Milltown Row2]

I think Rangers or what ever you want to call them will only make Celtic more competitive.... And once Celtic and rangers are in the same league then id count the previous Celtic league wins as pointless 

First sentence - agreed
second sentence - you can only dance with the woman in the hall but a win is still a win

You are definitely at the wind up MR. Are you a soccer fan or just a troll? Obviously, I think,  being on this site your main thing is GAA but do you have a soccer team you follow? As Celtic fans, we (I make no apologies for using we and us, as Celtic mean more to me than anything other than family - as it is with many other Celtic fans) will savour every title as if it was the last no matter the circumstances. Dominance by one club in league competition happens the world over and not just in soccer. Did St Galls get fed up winning the Antrim Championship all those years? Was that only because the Johnnies were at a low ebb? Absolutely not!
Of course winning a competition is all the sweeter when there is strong competition but never will winning the Scottish league be a chore........ Unless we are winning it for the twentieth time in a row by 20+ points. However we will more than likely have gone to a different set up before that happens.  European super leagues anyone?

I put a smiley face on end of last post... I would have a passing interest in Utd.... But give me a hurling game on at same time id watch the hurling...its the mad fans that grate on me

I know you like 'banter' MR as winessed on the Antrim hurling thread! I would prefer a bad game of hurling over any soccer game apart from Celtic but being an exile my viewing of the best game in the world is limited.
By the way Utd fans are some of the scummiest about as witnessed when they and the scousers get together. I do hate how Celtic fans are targeted for their behaviour when it is probably better than most, the sectarian factor is over played. You think Celtic v Rangers is bad? There are countless rivalries around Europe and beyond which are exponentially worse. The Glasgow derby is hyped like so much on these islands. We are an insular lot us 'K'elts.

I would say that Rangers have far more serious bigots than Celtic, that's  obvious... Its the hangers-ons that actually ruin it for both clubs