Kerry V Dublin

[Zulu]

Well its a pretty well known fact that teams like Armagh & Tyrone have developed the art of tackling to a degree that now every team in the Country is trying to adopt their tactics!
Over the past few years nobody has tackled the way the Tyrone boys do. Guys like Dooher, Cavanagh, Hughes, McGinley & now Mulligan not only play around the middle thrid & get forward but its not uncommon to see them in the fullback line tackling.
In my opinion not a lot of other teams in the country (maybe Cork) have that same work ethic to be willing to chase 60 yards so an opposing forward faces two Tyrone guys as opposed to one!
It isnt a blanket defence they have developed its a willingness to get forward & defend in equal proportion & requires huge fitness levels.
They are the benchmark that teams measure themselves against & rightly so! They arent like Kerry with 10 or 12 supremely gifted footballers & few grafters added in they are 15 fellas who look mediocre enough in some positions but their gameplan & application of themselves to the cause of Tyrone is admireable! As a Down man that hurts to say but up in Ulster there arent too many Gaels that would begrudge Tyrone another All Ireland on the basis of the way they play the game!

I'd have to say I disagree with that, yes Tyrone and Armagh were the first to develop tackling to such a fine art but they are far from the only ones doing it now, John doyle was to be found in his own defence last Saturday night and Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all work very hard as well. I haven't seen much of Meath or Donegal but I know Limerick work extremely hard too, so I don't think Tyrone work significantly harder than the other teams left in the AI and therefore that isn't a major advantage for them. I'd also disagree with your description of Tyrone as 15 fellas who 'look mediocre in some positions', in fact their major strength is that they look exceptional in so many positions and in O'Neill, Cavanagh, Dooher, Jordan etc. they have some truely outstanding players.

[Donnellys Hollow]

I think Jack O'Connor would be well served switching Tommy Walsh and Declan O'Sullivan next Monday. Alan Smith had Denis Bastic in a lot of trouble in the Leinster Final before the ball going in dried up in the second half, I think Declan O'Sullivan could do likewise. He started off his Kerry career as a full forward and played there for Coláiste na Sceilge. Playing Walsh in on the edge of the square will suit Bastic and play into Dublin's hands. Putting Walsh out on the forty will also test Bryan Cullen by putting him on the back foot - something Kildare failed to do to our cost.

I've a feeling Kerry could finally click into gear on Monday. Should be a cracker.

[guevara]

Zulu I clearly said this was an art developed by Armagh/Tyrone & NOW HALF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO ADOPT IT!!!! 
John Doyle is managed & coached by two Armagh men, Kieran McGeeney & Paul Grimley!
If you look at Tyrones team last year their supporters were in uproar in early stages of the Championship & some were actually calling for Harte to go as a result of him firlding boys in unfamiliar positions. Cavanagh at Full Forward , McMahon at Half Forward etc.
They have players who are able to adapt themselves to positions they might never have played before in order to fulfill a specific role for the team.

[magickingdom]

The worst possible draw for Dublin for a number of reasons....

1 - It will bring a load of hype around which we don't need....Ideally let the hype settle on Tyrone/Cork shoulders
2 - If we win it will just go off the charts which again we don't need...I would sooner go through as quietly as possible
3 - If there is any team that will pull Kerry together to beat it is Dublin and I don't want to get caught like last year...

Wouldn't be too worried about Donaghy as he won't be match fit at all and 2 years ago he didn't cause too many problems....It would suit Dublin best if Kerry play Donaghy/Walsh at full forward as that would be the ideal match up for Bastic

couldnt agree more, its a great draw for kerry. i would have marginally preferred tyrone as to get that out of the way one way or another, cork would have been the one i wanted least as they owe kerry big time and finally have a team that can deliver but the dubs are a win/not too bad if we lose kind of scenario. kerry will be right up for it on their favourite turf in front of a sea of blue. if that doesnt get them going and if they win the momentum to go all the way nothing will.

[longrunsthefox]

Zulu I clearly said this was an art developed by Armagh/Tyrone & NOW HALF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO ADOPT IT!!!! 
John Doyle is managed & coached by two Armagh men, Kieran McGeeney & Paul Grimley!
If you look at Tyrones team last year their supporters were in uproar in early stages of the Championship & some were actually calling for Harte to go as a result of him firlding boys in unfamiliar positions. Cavanagh at Full Forward , McMahon at Half Forward etc.
They have players who are able to adapt themselves to positions they might never have played before in order to fulfill a specific role for the team.

Didn't mad Jack say in his book that in went up north to learn drills etc from an Ulster coach to copy Tyrone... never found out who that coach was... dom tee dom dom     

[5 Sams]

The biggest game to date in the championship and the loyal fans in the occupied wee 6 won't get a chance to see it unless they're on the broo or a civil servant

Why can it not be played next weekend?

[ross4life]

any chance the Dubs come in early & shout for the rossies

[Gnevin]

The biggest game to date in the championship and the loyal fans in the occupied wee 6 won't get a chance to see it unless they're on the broo or a civil servant

Why can it not be played next weekend?

You can please some of the people......

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

They are the benchmark that teams measure themselves against & rightly so! They arent like Kerry with 10 or 12 supremely gifted footballers & few grafters added in they are 15 fellas who look mediocre enough in some positions but their gameplan & application of themselves to the cause of Tyrone is admireable!

This is an oft repeated but totally ridiculous theory. The idea you can win 3 All-Irelands (and the current Tyrone panel is made up of 3 different All-Ireland Minor winning squads with players from a 4th waiting to break through) without having "supremely gifted footballers" is seriously flawed. There is no doubt that Tyrone have an excellent tactician on the sideline and a very effective gameplan but all that would count for very little if they didnt have fantastic footballers .

Looking forward to seeing the Kerry - Dublin match. Kerry might well be having a poor season but they have hung in and might just be one big performance away from returning to form. You could say they are in a very similar place to Tyrone at this stage last year and Tyrone didnt look back after beating the Dubs. For Dublin it could be that a win over Kerry in the championship would be what they need to really kick on and be contenders.

[Kerry Mike]

DUBLIN v KERRY
It's one of the most intense rivalries in Gaelic football, having produced some
classic contests over the years and the latest instalment promises to maintain the
great tradition. Dublin, who won the Leinster title for the fifth successive
season earlier this month, are bidding to beat Kerry for the first time in the
championship since the 1977 All-Ireland semi-final.

Since then, the counties have clashed eight times, with Kerry winning seven
while there was one draw (2001 All-Ireland quarter-final). They last met two
years ago when Kerry won an All-Ireland semi-final by two points.
Kerry, the only county to have reached the quarter-finals every year since the
new championship system was introduced in 2001, are attempting to extend a
great run as they have never been beaten at this stage of the campaign. They
drew with Dublin in 2001 but otherwise it has been success all the way against
(Dublin 2001(replay), 2004), Galway (2002-2008), Roscommon (2003), Mayo
(2005), Armagh (2006), Monaghan (2007).

Dublin reached the quarter-finals in seven of the last eight years with their
record reading as follows: Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4. The wins came
against Donegal (2002 replay), Westmeath (2006), Derry (2007). They drew
with Kerry in 2001, Donegal in 2002 and Tyrone in 2005 and lost to Kerry
(2001 (replay) and 2004), Tyrone (2005 (replay) and 2008).

Paths to the quarter-final
Dublin 0-14 Meath 0-12
Dublin 4-26 Westmeath 0-11
Dublin 2-15 Kildare 0-18 (Leinster final)
Cork 1-10 Kerry 0-13 (Draw)
Cork 1-17 Kerry 0-12 (Replay) Munster semi-final
Kerry 1-12 Longford 0-11 (Qualifier Round 2)
Kerry 0-14 Sligo 1-10 (Qualifier Round 3)
Kerry 2-12 Antrim 1-10 (Qualifier Round 4)

Last Championship Clash
Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-16 (2007 All-Ireland semi-final, Croke Park)
Kerry kicked three points in the first four minutes before Dublin recovered to
lead 4-3 after 20 minutes. They were a point clear (0-8 to 0-7) at half-time but
Kerry made a match-winning break just after the break when a Declan
O'Sullivan goal was followed by a string of points which put them 1-12 to 0-9
ahead after 49 minutes.

Dublin fought back in great style, out-scoring Dublin by 0-7 to 0-2 in 17
minutes to cut the margin to a point before Declan O'Sullivan landed Kerry's
final point.

Kerry: Diarmuid Murphy; Padraig Reidy, Marc O Se, Tom O'Sullivan; Tomas
O Se (0-1), Aidan O'Mahony, Killian Young; Darragh O Se, Seamus Scanlon;
Paul Galvin (0-2),, Eoin Brosnan (0-2), Declan O'Sullivan (1-3); Colm Cooper
(0-3), Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan (0-3).
Subs: Tommy Griffin for Darragh O Se, Darragh O Se for Griffin, Sean
O'Sullivan (0-1) for Galvin, Darran O'Sullivan for Brosnan.

Dublin: Stephen Cluxton; David Henry, Ross McConnell, Paul Griffin; Paul
Casey, Bryan Cullen (0-2), Barry Cahill (0-1); Ciaran Whelan, Shane Ryan;
Bernard Brogan (0-1), Jason Sherlock, Colin Moran; Conal Keaney (0-4), Alan
Brogan (0-3), Mark Vaughan (0-5).
Subs: Ray Cosgrove for Sherlock, Darren Magee for Bernard Brogan, Tomas
Quinn for Vaughan.

Last Competitive Clash
Dublin 1-15 Kerry 1-15 (2009 NFL, Parnell Park, March 29).
Dublin led 0-9 to 0-7 at half-time and by 1-10 to 0-7 after five minutes of the
second half after Mark Davoren (goal) and Pat Burke (point) extended the lead.
Dublin led by 1-15 to 0-13 after 59 minutes but Kerry staged a great finish with
Paul Galvin and Kieran Donaghy scoring points which were separated by a goal
from Aidan O'Mahony.

How they fared in All-Ireland quarter-finals
Dublin
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2002: Dublin 2-8 Donegal 0-14 (draw)
2002: Dublin 1-14 Donegal 0-7 (replay)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2005: Tyrone 1-14 Dublin 1-14 (draw)
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2006: Dublin 1-12 Westmeath 0-5
2007: Dublin 0-18 Derry 0-15
2008: Tyrone 3-14 Dublin 1-8
Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4.

Kerry
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2002: Kerry 2-17 Galway 1-12
2003: Kerry 1-21 Roscommon 3-10
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2005: Kerry 2-15 Mayo 0-18
2006: Kerry 3-15 Armagh 1-13
2007: Kerry 1-12 Monaghan 1-11
2008: Kerry 1-21 Galway 1-16
Played 9, Won 8, Drew 1.

DUBLIN v KERRY: CHAMPIONSHIP HISTORY
2007: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-16 (All-Ireland semi-final)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (All-Ireland quarter-final replay)
2001: Kerry 1-14 Dublin 2-11 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
1985: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 2-8 (All-Ireland final)
1984: Kerry 0-14 Dublin 1-6 (All-Ireland final)
1979: Kerry 3-13 Dublin 1-8 (All-Ireland final)
1978: Kerry 5-11 Dublin 0-9 (All-Ireland final)
1977: Dublin 3-12 Kerry 1-13 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1976: Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-10 (All-Ireland final)
1975: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-11 (All-Ireland final)
1965: Kerry 4-8 Dublin 2-6 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1962: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-10 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1959: Kerry 1-10 Dublin 2-5 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1955: Kerry 0-12 Dublin 1-6 (All-Ireland final)
1941: Kerry 2-9 Dublin 0-3 (All-Ireland semi-final replay)
1941: Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-4 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1934: Dublin 3-8 Kerry 0-6 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1932: Kerry 1-3 Dublin 1-1 (All-Ireland semi-final)
1924: Kerry 0-4 Dublin 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
1923: Dublin 1-5 Kerry 1-3 (All-Ireland final)
1908: Dublin 0-10 Kerry 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
1904: Kerry 0-5 Dublin 0-2 (All-Ireland final)
1892 Dublin 1-4 Kerry 0-3 (All-Ireland final)
Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2.

[Kerry Mike]

Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2

Ahhhh isn't that great reading.

[moysider]

Played 24: Kerry 16, Dublin 6, Draws 2

Ahhhh isn't that great reading.

Those stats dont indicate much of a rivalry. I wonder has Tom Humphries plans to re-release his book that was cunningly - not - published in anticipation of an old-firm 06 decider. Could do with another laugh like that one.

[Archie Mitchell]

Paddy Heaney cut loose on Kerry today in his column in the Irish News.

[guevara]

My point LDA is that if in GAA there was a transfer system The Kerry boys would be up at the top of most people' list.
Tyrone have some superb footballers guys like O'Neill, Cavanagh, Mulligan, Gormley etc but they have had to work alot harder at their game to get to were they are.
Kerry seem to produce a "Superstar" every few years these days Gooch, Donaghy, Walsh etc.
I admire Tyrone I think they have gotten the utmost out of their players wereas other teams havent.

[020304 Tir Eoghain]

Paddy Heaney cut loose on Kerry today in his column in the Irish News.

Any chance of someone posting it?