Sigerson Cup 2009

[corn02]

Question for all.........
If it was you & you were involved in both finals what would you do?
Take it that your home club dont make many AI finals so the chances are you may not make it again, same with the Uni

Two weeks before? I'd be playing Sigerson.

[INDIANA]

Match report on NUIG v UUJ

Galway countymen Sean Armstrong and Gareth Bradshaw starred as NUIG hit 1-4 without reply in the final 18 minutes to oust UUJ (2-10 to 1-8) from the race to land this year's Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup after an enthralling tie at Kingspan/Breffni Park.

Bolstered by an opportunist Colm Kavanagh goal, UUJ impressed as they sashayed their way into a 1-3 to 0-0 lead after only nine minutes.

But just 90 seconds later NUIG replied in devastating fashion with Mark Gottsche goaling after a lung-bursting run by centre-back Bradshaw split open the UUJ defence.

Even though UUJ's 1-7 to 1-5 interval lead was deserved, it exhibited a paper rather than a steely veneer and once the third quarter beckoned, NUIG began to punch holes in it.

With playmaker-supreme Sean Armstrong getting more and more on the ball, NUIG's march to the winner's enclosure kicked off once the impressive Paul Broderick (Carlow) levelled matters, 1-8 apiece, in the 49th minute.

The beginning of the end for UUJ dawned after the combined forces of Donal Morgan and Daniel Bateson felled Sean Armstrong as he bore down on Greg Kelly's goal with less than four minutes of normal time remaining.

Once Broderick cooly blasted home the resultant penalty spot, it was obvious the die was cast.

NUIG now had the momentum, big-time, and they finished with a spring in their step and a swagger too with sub Eddie Hoare and John Connellan putting the final nails in UUJ's coffin.

NUIG - L Grant; C McDonald, G Cafferkey, D Finnegan; N Ewing, G Bradshaw, P Domican; M Gottsche (1-0), K Conroy; C Kenny (0-2), S Armstrong (0-1), J Connellan (0-3); P Broderick (1-3), G Begley, C Healy. Subs: Conor Devaney for M Gottsche; E Hoare (0-1) for C Healy.

UUJ - G Kelly; D McDermott, A Girvan, D Morgan (0-1); K Nolan, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly (0-3), T McCann (0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); C Kavanagh (1-0), S Forker, D Mulholland. Subs: P Hughes for D Mullholland; C Murray for S Forker

Again I'd like an answer to the question Corn why didn't Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher play. Because I know the answer I'm waiting to know whether you do.

Zulu I've explained the situation in Dublin, I didn't say you'd agree with it. But as I said clubs in Dublin will never accept anyone choosing their university over the club team. I'm not saying its right but thats the way it is. DCU are the only Dublin college to in the sigerson recently probably over the last 12 years and thats the reason why.

[corn02]

Ah apologies Indiana, I was getting mixed up with the Queen's match and the NUIG. Perhaps they were on the bench, anyone have the squad list for the day?

[The GAA]

Match report on NUIG v UUJ

Galway countymen Sean Armstrong and Gareth Bradshaw starred as NUIG hit 1-4 without reply in the final 18 minutes to oust UUJ (2-10 to 1-8) from the race to land this year's Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup after an enthralling tie at Kingspan/Breffni Park.

Bolstered by an opportunist Colm Kavanagh goal, UUJ impressed as they sashayed their way into a 1-3 to 0-0 lead after only nine minutes.

But just 90 seconds later NUIG replied in devastating fashion with Mark Gottsche goaling after a lung-bursting run by centre-back Bradshaw split open the UUJ defence.

Even though UUJ's 1-7 to 1-5 interval lead was deserved, it exhibited a paper rather than a steely veneer and once the third quarter beckoned, NUIG began to punch holes in it.

With playmaker-supreme Sean Armstrong getting more and more on the ball, NUIG's march to the winner's enclosure kicked off once the impressive Paul Broderick (Carlow) levelled matters, 1-8 apiece, in the 49th minute.

The beginning of the end for UUJ dawned after the combined forces of Donal Morgan and Daniel Bateson felled Sean Armstrong as he bore down on Greg Kelly's goal with less than four minutes of normal time remaining.

Once Broderick cooly blasted home the resultant penalty spot, it was obvious the die was cast.

NUIG now had the momentum, big-time, and they finished with a spring in their step and a swagger too with sub Eddie Hoare and John Connellan putting the final nails in UUJ's coffin.

NUIG - L Grant; C McDonald, G Cafferkey, D Finnegan; N Ewing, G Bradshaw, P Domican; M Gottsche (1-0), K Conroy; C Kenny (0-2), S Armstrong (0-1), J Connellan (0-3); P Broderick (1-3), G Begley, C Healy. Subs: Conor Devaney for M Gottsche; E Hoare (0-1) for C Healy.

UUJ - G Kelly; D McDermott, A Girvan, D Morgan (0-1); K Nolan, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly (0-3), T McCann (0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); C Kavanagh (1-0), S Forker, D Mulholland. Subs: P Hughes for D Mullholland; C Murray for S Forker

Again I'd like an answer to the question Corn why didn't Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher play. Because I know the answer I'm waiting to know whether you do.

Zulu I've explained the situation in Dublin, I didn't say you'd agree with it. But as I said clubs in Dublin will never accept anyone choosing their university over the club team. I'm not saying its right but thats the way it is. DCU are the only Dublin college to in the sigerson recently probably over the last 12 years and thats the reason why.

You've explained it as you see it. You are of course incorrect in my opinion.


By the way, you are not comparing like for like with the paul kernan situation here. it was only days before his club semi - not over 2 weeks.
Kyle carragher was not on the poly squad

[The GAA]

Indiana

you've conveniently overlooked this question:

Is Joe Canning "clinically insane" for playing with WIT yesterday?

[mattockranger]

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Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
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from this i would like to ask indiana his views...

Could this point to a reason for the senior side not going to the next level?

how seriously do dublin sides take schools competitions?

maybe we could learn a thing or two from our northern neighbours in regards the esteem they hold the macRory cup and the new level of recognition they have influxed to the sigerson cup
In louth some of players find it hard to get motivated for their local college DKIT and don't parttake in the wonderful opportunity to develop their game at a higher level than club
not enough of our players are involved at sigerson level and detremental to their development this is because as like dublin it means very little, look at armagh and tyrone the past decade using the sigerson as a stepping stone to get up to inter county level now monaghan and cavan players are following suite

maybe not enough younger dublin players are playing sigerson and the ones that do/did are flourishing B Brogan M Vaughan P Flynn G Brennan P Andrews and as you say Cian o'sullivan who has yet to play with the seniors but because of his involvement with UCD the experience will stand to him when he does play for Dublin

So i feel the clubs should not have held them back especially two to three weeks before.....another question to you indiana if vaughan was not playing or training with DIT over the winter months would he have been so sharp last saturday?

[INDIANA]

I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.

Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I

[The GAA]

I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.

Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I

Kernan most certainly did play on feb 5th. please get your facts straight.

So Joe Canning just doesn't care as uch about his club as you dublin folk? give me a break

[corn02]

I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.

Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I

Paul Kernan played the whole match on Feb 5.

[ddc1990]

Wow ye are so absorbed by a random argument that ye have ignore the Sigerson altogether.
Wins For DIT and CIT.
DIT 3-8 UCD 1-4
CIT 0-14 NUIG 0-13.
DIT massive underdogs for the final after loosing Paul Brogan (Alan and Bernards brother) and possibly John Coughlan (Joxer) for the final through injury, to add to Barry Moran on the injury list and Vaughan on the Kilmacud won't let him play list.
CIT, with home ground, home ref better team on paper must be massive favourites.

EDIT: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0227/sigerson.html

[INDIANA]

I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.

Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I

Paul Kernan played the whole match on Feb 5.

By UUJ 1-12 Queen's 1-6


Thursday February 05 2009

Holders UUJ stormed past northern rivals Queen's at The Dub in Belfast yesterday.

When Ciarán Donnelly crashed home a penalty near the end of the first quarter, UUJ were 1-2 to 0-0 ahead, but Queen's struck back with a goal of their own from Sean Leo McGoldrick.

Points were swapped over the next quarter hour but scores from Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh (2) left UUJ 1-7 to 1-2 up at the break.

It was 1-10 to 1-5 when a flare-up in midfield with 10 minutes to go resulted in instant dismissal for Joe O'Kane (Queen's) and Niall McKeever (UUJ).

Two late points by Cavanagh in reply to a pointed free by James Kielt polished off the home side, who were denied two goal chances by saves from UUJ 'keeper Greg Kelly.

SCORERS - UUJ: C Donnelly 1-2 (1 pen, 1f), C Cavanagh 0-4, N McKeever 0-2, T McCann, R Mulgrew, P Downey, D Hughes 0-1 each. Queen's: J Kielt 0-5 (3f), SL McGoldrick 1-0, J Crozier 0-1.

UUJ -- G Kelly; A Girvan, P McKeown, D McDermott; D Mulholland, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly, R Mulgrew, N McKeever; C Cavanagh, S Forker, T McCann. Subs: P Hughes for Forker (46), B Beggs for Mulholland (55).

QUEEN'S -- F Murphy; H Gallagher, N McGovern, L Howard; R Dillon, J O'Kane, J Crozier; C Vernon, B McArdle; J Loughrey, C Maginn, SL McGoldrick; J Kielt, S O'Neill, C Baynes. Subs: P Courtney for Baynes (ht), M Ward for Loughrey (37), D O'Hagan for McArdle (46).

REF -- P Hughes (Armagh).

- UUJ 1-12 Queen's 1-6

I know lads I love facts what about you.

[Our Nail Loney]

That team is wrong, I was at the match and Kernan played the whole match...

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http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=10984.120

[Our Nail Loney]

Nice pic of Kernan

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336326/5000/

[INDIANA]

I will concede on that point. Never let it be said I was a sore loser