Sigerson Cup 2009

[The GAA]

You're entitled to your view on that GAA. I've never met anyone who's won a Sigerson  who'd put it on a par with a club-all-ireland. As for the second highest quality. In theory it should be but I've never seen so many mediocre games in any other competition than Sigerson. Its so over-rated its not funny. And thats based on a decade of watching it closely not one or two games like some of the posters here.
It simply doesn't create the sort of emotion winning something with you club could ever create. You leave college how many people do you keep in touch with? You'll see your club-mates 20 years down the line. Thats the difference. Those who've won club -all-irelands know the difference. Sigerson is taken very seriously up North, doesn't really have that status in other counties. If you win it its nice, but its not the end of the world if you don't.
I know of a player who is currently playing with a potentially serious injury Corn02 who was practically forced to play for his University recently because of a scholarship demands. Thats the climate we're moving into. Too many games. As far as I know the players themselves have stepped out of the Sigerson.

I know for a fact Redhand Vincents played one challenge game last year between feb 1 and march 17th. Now obviously everyone is different but our clubs attitude was if they got injured training with vincents thats fine. But that they weren't to get injured playing for anyone else. Cross are guaranteed an armagh championship every year at the moment. You won't get that in Dublin, thats why the Crokes players have stepped out.

You're are also entitled to your view on the standard of Sigerson and fitzgibbon games but its not something i can agree with. did you watch the Fitzbibbon final last year or the sigerson final two years ago?i've seen more sigerson and fitzgibbon games than most so don't try and play that line with me. i'd happily put my mortgage on the 4 sigerson semi teams beating the 4 all ireland club teams with a 5 point handicap. poor games are everywhere. teams cancel each other out at every level of sport and the preparation and analysis in sigerson football is so far ahead of that of club football that it is almost inevitable.

I'm not sure why you're changing the goalposts to referencing scholarships. maybe it has something to do with crokes covering vaughan's scholarship forfeit in this instance?
I have to say that my understandingis that the crokes players are livid with carr over this.

Cross being guaranteed a championship in armagh (aug - sept) is relevent to this how?

[INDIANA]

You obviously didn't watch last years fitzgibbon final closely. Canning scored 1-15 from placed balls. Great game my arse. I'm glad its your mortgage and not mine because I know how much of mine I'd put on it.
As far as I know both players are injured so it would be madness to play 2 games in 3 days at the weekend. The Dublin championship is miles more competitive than the Armagh championship so it could be 5 years before Crokes win another county championship, hence the reason of their stance. They may never get to another club final. If Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?

[The GAA]

The fitzgibbon final was fantastic last year. thats my opinion anyway.

yeah, cross really say to themselves "ach sure we'll have another run at the all ireland next year anyway" when they allow their players to play sigerson football. catch a grip.

You're missing the point. noone's saying they're not replacable - the point is that these players are being deprived the opportunity to play, not that their teams are being particularly harmed.

[INDIANA]

I'd like an answer to the question.

[The GAA]

Did i miss a question other than

If Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?

which i answered as follows

You're missing the point. noone's saying they're not replacable - the point is that these players are being deprived the opportunity to play, not that their teams are being particularly harmed.

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[RedandGreenSniper]

Anything ye two lads can agree on? At loggerheads on the Cork hurling dispute and now the same on Sigerson

[The GAA]

Apparently not...

[Canalman]

If (and I hope they don't) Crokes lose the AICF, the lads in question will end up with nothing......obviously. All of them imo should be allowed to play in the Sigerson to maximise their chances of personal success. O'Rourke/O'Sullivan should imo be geting as much football under their belts as they between them only played 2/3 mins of the semi final. No point imo in years to come to look back and reflect about "What ifs....?"

Have a selfish enough reason for hoping DIT win it as there are alot of young Dublin lads involved who I would love to see win a national title.
No matter what the Vins' contingent on this board think, I still think that KC are being very badmannered in treating UCD like this given the hospitality afforded to them in Belfield in the past. Maybe, I am just oldfashioned in this regard.

[corn02]

You obviously didn't watch last years fitzgibbon final closely. Canning scored 1-15 from placed balls. Great game my arse. I'm glad its your mortgage and not mine because I know how much of mine I'd put on it.
As far as I know both players are injured so it would be madness to play 2 games in 3 days at the weekend. The Dublin championship is miles more competitive than the Armagh championship so it could be 5 years before Crokes win another county championship, hence the reason of their stance. They may never get to another club final. If Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?

How can you devalue the competition on the basis of individual cases?

[INDIANA]

Well Gaa says that the competition is OF such a standard it is second only to senior inter county football. on that basis considering UCD has a greater population than the county of Letrim that UCD don't have any other player to replace O Sullivan who has never played even a challenge game at senior inter county level? Apparently not.
DIT has 22,500 students yet it can't replace a player who is pilloried on an annual basis by the same posters as being useless.
Its a laughable suggestion from UCD and DIT that they can't be replaced. Sounds very much to me someone thinks they aren't good enough to win and are looking for the excuses early doors.
By the way Canalman your sources are all wrong Barry O Rourke is being allowed to participate as are all the Crokes subs who are on UCD's Sigerson panel. As I said before both of the above are carrying injuries. Obviously a  lot of posters here are from the magic sponge and bottle of whiskey school of physiotherapy. But its a laughable suggestion that two players who are nowhere near key senior inter county footballers can't be replaced by the two biggest Universities in the country.

[The GAA]

Well Gaa says that the competition is OF such a standard it is second only to senior inter county football. on that basis considering UCD has a greater population than the county of Letrim that UCD don't have any other player to replace O Sullivan who has never played even a challenge game at senior inter county level? Apparently not.
DIT has 22,500 students yet it can't replace a player who is pilloried on an annual basis by the same posters as being useless.
Its a laughable suggestion from UCD and DIT that they can't be replaced. Sounds very much to me someone thinks they aren't good enough to win and are looking for the excuses early doors.
By the way Canalman your sources are all wrong Barry O Rourke is being allowed to participate as are all the Crokes subs who are on UCD's Sigerson panel. As I said before both of the above are carrying injuries. Obviously a  lot of posters here are from the magic sponge and bottle of whiskey school of physiotherapy. But its a laughable suggestion that two players who are nowhere near key senior inter county footballers can't be replaced by the two biggest Universities in the country.

hats twice now that you've misrepresented my view so i can only assume its deliberate.

show me where i have said he cannot be replaced?

My point is that the club are denying THE PLAYER his opportunity to play. I have no partcular concerns for UCD though i have a general concern for the competition and the harm this insular attitude does to it.

[INDIANA]

What part of the word injured do you not understand?

[The GAA]

ah so you're reduced to the injured "claim".

Thats a fair bit of backward rowing from

He's not playing GAA I can't put it any plainer than that. Why waste 15 months work for a team that barely trains together . They'll still be meeting with their club mates 10 years after they stop playing. Will they be doing the same with Sigerson team-mates.You got to be joking. Sigerson is nice but a club all-ireland is an all-ireland medal. No disrespect to Sigerson but despite what our Northern brethern think, it ain't all that important.

But they're injured so thats ok

[INDIANA]

Exactly they are injured even the papers say so. But as the standard is so high they shouldn't have any difficulty replacing them.

[The GAA]

Glad you came round to my way of thinking