Osama Dead

[seafoid]

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That post by Deiseach followed by the response from the wind up merchant was like Ruud Gullit with those exquisite passes that were beyond the comprehension of the players was passing to.
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Gullits skills are no match for your probing passes to himmler on the wing ....
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No matter. Try again. Fail again.

[Groucho]

Hamas and Democracy


by Charley Reese I laughed when Hamas swept the Palestinian elections. After all, President Bush and his gang of neoconservative ideologues have been preaching that democracy in the Middle East will lead to peace.

Oops. Now the president will once more have to expose himself as the hypocrite he is. Democracy is good, in Mr. Bush's view, only if it elects the people he wants in office. The choice of the Palestinian majority, expressed in what all the observers said was a free and fair election, is not acceptable to Mr. Bush.

Hamas, you should know, has been around for a long time, and for most of that time, the United States did not label it a terrorist organization. Hamas has a military wing, but the majority of its efforts have been in providing welfare, medical care, and education to dirt-poor Palestinians who would have to do without but for Hamas. Unlike the corrupt Fatah, the Palestinian party Mr. Bush apparently wanted to win, Hamas has a reputation for being honest.

If there is anything American politicians fear, it is an honest man. More than one is even worse. How can the Bush administration bribe the Palestinian Authority into keeping quiet while Israel unilaterally consolidates its position if the elected people won't accept bribes for selling out their constituents? No wonder the Bush White House is worried.

If I were the leader of Hamas, I would send President Bush a message that said essentially this: "Don't worry about not talking to us. We have no desire to talk to you. For 39 years you Americans have talked about peace processes and have not recovered one square centimeter of Palestinian land. On the contrary, Israel has expanded into Palestinian territory while you prevented the United Nations from taking any action to stop it.

"The conflict in Palestine is quite simple. In 1967, Israel invaded and has since occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem. We lack the military power to eject the Israelis and therefore have zero influence on them. You, who have given Israel more than $90 billion, do have influence. So, instead of talking to us, talk to the Israelis. As soon as the Israeli occupation is ended, the problem in Palestine will go away. In the meantime, we have a lot of domestic problems to solve, which was the platform we ran on anyway."

As for the suicide bombings Hamas has carried out, I have said before that the method of delivery is irrelevant. We and the Israelis deliver our bombs from airplanes, helicopters, and artillery tubes. Since the Palestinians are denied modern weapons, they have to walk or drive their bombs to the targets. Morally, there is no difference whatsoever between bombs delivered by air or by foot. It is an undeniable fact that we have killed a thousand times more civilians in Iraq, Panama, Libya, Serbia, Grenada, and Vietnam than Hamas has killed Israelis. Naturally, we dismiss the civilians we kill as "collateral damage."

The death toll in the latest intifada, by the way, is 1,084 Israelis killed by Palestinians and 3,786 Palestinians killed by Israelis. Not all of those Israelis were killed by Hamas. Fatah also has a military wing, and there are other resistance organizations.

But back to the president's strategic blunder. He should have read my column. I've said over and over that the largest group of people in the Middle East pushing for democracy is the Islamic parties, and the only "friends" we have in the Middle East are the rulers we pay to be our friends. You will notice that Egypt, Jordan, and the Saudis, all on our payroll in one way or another, were the first to call on Hamas to moderate its stand.

I doubt Hamas will do so. That's the trouble with honest people of sincere faith. They believe they must answer to a higher authority, and their loyalty is not for sale. Palestinians, like everyone else on Earth, have an inalienable right to resist occupation of their homeland. It is to our shame and disgrace that we side with the occupiers. At any rate, Mr. Bush and the neocons had better be more careful about what they wish for.

"...to call on Hamas to moderate its stand. That's the trouble with honest people of sincere faith. They believe they must answer to a higher authority, and their loyalty is not for sale. "


so, Groucho is on record as saying that he believes that Hamas are "honest" people that "answer to a higher authority" and thus justify their slaughter of innocents.

Nice one Groucho.Your jokes never get old.

The bit in bold identifies the author.....but don't let that get in the way of your warped thinking

[Mike Sheehy]

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That post by Deiseach followed by the response from the wind up merchant was like Ruud Gullit with those exquisite passes that were beyond the comprehension of the players was passing to.

Gullits skills are no match for your probing passes to himmler on the wing ....
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No matter. Try again. Fail again.
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Go on, tell us again why Israel has no right to exist...

[Mike Sheehy]

Hamas and Democracy


by Charley Reese I laughed when Hamas swept the Palestinian elections. After all, President Bush and his gang of neoconservative ideologues have been preaching that democracy in the Middle East will lead to peace.

Oops. Now the president will once more have to expose himself as the hypocrite he is. Democracy is good, in Mr. Bush's view, only if it elects the people he wants in office. The choice of the Palestinian majority, expressed in what all the observers said was a free and fair election, is not acceptable to Mr. Bush.

Hamas, you should know, has been around for a long time, and for most of that time, the United States did not label it a terrorist organization. Hamas has a military wing, but the majority of its efforts have been in providing welfare, medical care, and education to dirt-poor Palestinians who would have to do without but for Hamas. Unlike the corrupt Fatah, the Palestinian party Mr. Bush apparently wanted to win, Hamas has a reputation for being honest.

If there is anything American politicians fear, it is an honest man. More than one is even worse. How can the Bush administration bribe the Palestinian Authority into keeping quiet while Israel unilaterally consolidates its position if the elected people won't accept bribes for selling out their constituents? No wonder the Bush White House is worried.

If I were the leader of Hamas, I would send President Bush a message that said essentially this: "Don't worry about not talking to us. We have no desire to talk to you. For 39 years you Americans have talked about peace processes and have not recovered one square centimeter of Palestinian land. On the contrary, Israel has expanded into Palestinian territory while you prevented the United Nations from taking any action to stop it.

"The conflict in Palestine is quite simple. In 1967, Israel invaded and has since occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem. We lack the military power to eject the Israelis and therefore have zero influence on them. You, who have given Israel more than $90 billion, do have influence. So, instead of talking to us, talk to the Israelis. As soon as the Israeli occupation is ended, the problem in Palestine will go away. In the meantime, we have a lot of domestic problems to solve, which was the platform we ran on anyway."

As for the suicide bombings Hamas has carried out, I have said before that the method of delivery is irrelevant. We and the Israelis deliver our bombs from airplanes, helicopters, and artillery tubes. Since the Palestinians are denied modern weapons, they have to walk or drive their bombs to the targets. Morally, there is no difference whatsoever between bombs delivered by air or by foot. It is an undeniable fact that we have killed a thousand times more civilians in Iraq, Panama, Libya, Serbia, Grenada, and Vietnam than Hamas has killed Israelis. Naturally, we dismiss the civilians we kill as "collateral damage."

The death toll in the latest intifada, by the way, is 1,084 Israelis killed by Palestinians and 3,786 Palestinians killed by Israelis. Not all of those Israelis were killed by Hamas. Fatah also has a military wing, and there are other resistance organizations.

But back to the president's strategic blunder. He should have read my column. I've said over and over that the largest group of people in the Middle East pushing for democracy is the Islamic parties, and the only "friends" we have in the Middle East are the rulers we pay to be our friends. You will notice that Egypt, Jordan, and the Saudis, all on our payroll in one way or another, were the first to call on Hamas to moderate its stand.

I doubt Hamas will do so. That's the trouble with honest people of sincere faith. They believe they must answer to a higher authority, and their loyalty is not for sale. Palestinians, like everyone else on Earth, have an inalienable right to resist occupation of their homeland. It is to our shame and disgrace that we side with the occupiers. At any rate, Mr. Bush and the neocons had better be more careful about what they wish for.

"...to call on Hamas to moderate its stand. That's the trouble with honest people of sincere faith. They believe they must answer to a higher authority, and their loyalty is not for sale. "


so, Groucho is on record as saying that he believes that Hamas are "honest" people that "answer to a higher authority" and thus justify their slaughter of innocents.

Nice one Groucho.Your jokes never get old.

The bit in bold identifies the author.....but don't let that get in the way of your warped thinking

two smileys ! jesus Groucho..you're really living up to your name ... a gas man altogether !

[4father]

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/

Chomsky tells it how it is.

[seafoid]

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That post by Deiseach followed by the response from the wind up merchant was like Ruud Gullit with those exquisite passes that were beyond the comprehension of the players was passing to.

Gullits skills are no match for your probing passes to himmler on the wing ....

No matter. Try again. Fail again.
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Go on, tell us again why Israel has no right to exist...
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Norn Ireland couldn't be a state for protestants only. Greater Israel is 50% Palestinian and only one fifth  of them have the vote. If  everyone in greater Israel had their democratic right there wouldn't be a majority for a Jewish ethnocracy. And that is before taking the refugees into consideration. The long term outlook for Israel as a Jewish ethnocracy is very poor. But maybe you can show us something different.   

[mylestheslasher]

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/

Chomsky tells it how it is.

Sure he is only anti american, anti Israel and anti semite (I don't care if he is an american jew). Sure you couldn't believe a word of that propaganda. The man probably is happy 9/11 happened. In fact he is probably a nazi. God knows what he is but he is definitely wrong about Israel anyway.

[Mike Sheehy]

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/

Chomsky tells it how it is.

Sure he is only anti american, anti Israel and anti semite (I don't care if he is an american jew). Sure you couldn't believe a word of that propaganda. The man probably is happy 9/11 happened. In fact he is probably a nazi. God knows what he is but he is definitely wrong about Israel anyway.

Chomsky is an appeaser of Islamic fascism. His own religion or nationality is irrelevant. There will always be appeasers and collaborators which people like you will use as poster boys ..."look so-and-so agrees that segregation/anti-semitism/homophobia is ok and he is black/jewish/gay so why are you complaining ?"   

[Mike Sheehy]

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That post by Deiseach followed by the response from the wind up merchant was like Ruud Gullit with those exquisite passes that were beyond the comprehension of the players was passing to.

Gullits skills are no match for your probing passes to himmler on the wing ....

No matter. Try again. Fail again.

Go on, tell us again why Israel has no right to exist...
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Norn Ireland couldn't be a state for protestants only. Greater Israel is 50% Palestinian and only one fifth  of them have the vote. If  everyone in greater Israel had their democratic right there wouldn't be a majority for a Jewish ethnocracy. And that is before taking the refugees into consideration. The long term outlook for Israel as a Jewish ethnocracy is very poor. But maybe you can show us something different.   
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You have made many of these doomsday statements about both Israel and the US on here.  Israel will survive and will be here long after you are gone, as will the US, despite your wishful thinking. A peaceful palestinian state will also prevail, please god,  but, if it does, it will be in spite of people like you who do nothing for its cause with your constant hate-mongering.

[seafoid]

Mike Sheehy

I see you have backed down on Himmler.

Where will Israel's borders be?
What will happen to the settlers?

[Mike Sheehy]

Mike Sheehy

I see you have backed down on Himmler.

Where will Israel's borders be?
What will happen to the settlers?

backed down in what way ? 

Israels borders will be negotiated between reasonable people on both sides who will, eventually, prevail over extremists. This is an outcome which would distress you no end of course as you have no interest in peace but, rather, the destruction of Israel which you have stated clearly on this board has no right to exist.

[magpie seanie]

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/

Chomsky tells it how it is.

Sure he is only anti american, anti Israel and anti semite (I don't care if he is an american jew). Sure you couldn't believe a word of that propaganda. The man probably is happy 9/11 happened. In fact he is probably a nazi. God knows what he is but he is definitely wrong about Israel anyway.

Chomsky is an appeaser of Islamic fascism. His own religion or nationality is irrelevant. There will always be appeasers and collaborators which people like you will use as poster boys ..."look so-and-so agrees that segregation/anti-semitism/homophobia is ok and he is black/jewish/gay so why are you complaining ?"

Mike that's just an outrageous lie. Do you believe all the stuff you are posting here? Seriously?

[seafoid]

The Islamic fascism thesis died in Tahrir Square, much to Israel's dismay.

[seafoid]

Chomsky said about the use of the name Geronimo , from the link above

The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It's like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk... It's as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes "Jew" and "Gypsy."

[mylestheslasher]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Epstein

Another supporter of Islamic terrorism. This one even went under cover into a a Nazi concentration camp.