It Must be Marching Season

[AustinPowers]

What's the end game here for the OO because it's not going to be a march down Garvaghy road. They can nit pick legal rulings all they want but a march will not be happening. It's been established that the police are not going to evict a single protestor from that road.  Surely they can't be that thick at this point to not know that.  So this is about them making a point, creating disturbance, creating ill feeling and rancour.  They're happy to wreck any relations there were in the Portadown area, and by the sounds of it in other areas where they think they should get to march where they want unrestricted.

There are nuances within unionism.

Some (like the ones who signed the letter) want nothing to do with parades. A Protestant friend of mine in one of the cycling clubs years ago said his family never took anything to do with the "oul lodges. They're about nothing but stirring up trouble." They might vote for Alliance and give transfers to UUP.

Some (like my old neighbours) would take a passing interest in the parades and would sit outside the house to watch them, but that'd be the limit of their participation. Likely UUP voters.

Some probably genuinely believe their own propaganda about how the OO is a harmless charity like the Rotary Club. Some of them are probably mild-mannered, others would be the pious fire-and-brimstone types, some of them thinking we live in the end times. DUP voters.

Some are all-in with the sectarian supremacism and yearn for the good old days when Fenians would be battered off the street by a police force that was basically the paramilitary wing of the Orange. There may be a few among them who actually believe it's achievable, and are overestimating the amount of support the Orange still have among police ranks. Jim Allister would represent this segment.

Then you have the half-educated yobs who just see a good riot opportunity and are itching to get wrecking the place, and probably don't fully understand what it's all about. They certainly wouldn't know who the Peep-o-Day Boys or the Defenders were. Voter turnout might not be high among this group.

A variation of that would be the half-educated yobs who have figured out how to use a search engine and suddenly think they're Edward Carson. Bryson would be this sort.

To answer your question, there are some who probably believe they'll get marching down the road, and they're fantasising about getting through the Lower Ormeau again. I wouldn't be surprised if they think they'll even get through the Tunnel via Obins St. even though that route's been dead to them for donkey's years.

There may be some chess-players in there thinking several moves ahead and aiming to collapse Stormont, but my honest impression is that most of them don't really know what they're doing. Like the ones that pushed for Brexit because they wanted the border back, they're pushing in a general direction that feels right, but not putting much thought into the actual consequences of their actions, resulting in a pattern of strategic errors that consistently undermine the unionist cause.

Seen an old video recently  when there was trouble  with the  Obins street march. Mid 80's I think

When  was that route stopped? Did the OO give it up  voluntarily or  what was the story there?

[imtommygunn]

I don't think I will ever forget that vile woman dancing and singing 5 nil as they marched past Sean Graham's bookies.

[Tony Baloney]

I don't think I will ever forget that vile woman dancing and singing 5 nil as they marched past Sean Graham's bookies.

That's enough to never allow them down. I remember living in the Holylands when the police screened screened off all the streets onto the Ormeau Road.

[Eamonnca1]

Seen an old video recently  when there was trouble  with the  Obins street march. Mid 80's I think

When  was that route stopped? Did the OO give it up  voluntarily or  what was the story there?

It was around that time. They were just flat out banned from taking that route, although they seemed to get it into their heads that if they didn't get Obins St then they'd get the Garvaghy Road.

[nrico2006]

What's the end game here for the OO because it's not going to be a march down Garvaghy road. They can nit pick legal rulings all they want but a march will not be happening. It's been established that the police are not going to evict a single protestor from that road.  Surely they can't be that thick at this point to not know that.  So this is about them making a point, creating disturbance, creating ill feeling and rancour.  They're happy to wreck any relations there were in the Portadown area, and by the sounds of it in other areas where they think they should get to march where they want unrestricted.

There are nuances within unionism.

Some (like the ones who signed the letter) want nothing to do with parades. A Protestant friend of mine in one of the cycling clubs years ago said his family never took anything to do with the "oul lodges. They're about nothing but stirring up trouble." They might vote for Alliance and give transfers to UUP.

Some (like my old neighbours) would take a passing interest in the parades and would sit outside the house to watch them, but that'd be the limit of their participation. Likely UUP voters.

Some probably genuinely believe their own propaganda about how the OO is a harmless charity like the Rotary Club. Some of them are probably mild-mannered, others would be the pious fire-and-brimstone types, some of them thinking we live in the end times. DUP voters.

Some are all-in with the sectarian supremacism and yearn for the good old days when Fenians would be battered off the street by a police force that was basically the paramilitary wing of the Orange. There may be a few among them who actually believe it's achievable, and are overestimating the amount of support the Orange still have among police ranks. Jim Allister would represent this segment.

Then you have the half-educated yobs who just see a good riot opportunity and are itching to get wrecking the place, and probably don't fully understand what it's all about. They certainly wouldn't know who the Peep-o-Day Boys or the Defenders were. Voter turnout might not be high among this group.

A variation of that would be the half-educated yobs who have figured out how to use a search engine and suddenly think they're Edward Carson. Bryson would be this sort.

To answer your question, there are some who probably believe they'll get marching down the road, and they're fantasising about getting through the Lower Ormeau again. I wouldn't be surprised if they think they'll even get through the Tunnel via Obins St. even though that route's been dead to them for donkey's years.

There may be some chess-players in there thinking several moves ahead and aiming to collapse Stormont, but my honest impression is that most of them don't really know what they're doing. Like the ones that pushed for Brexit because they wanted the border back, they're pushing in a general direction that feels right, but not putting much thought into the actual consequences of their actions, resulting in a pattern of strategic errors that consistently undermine the unionist cause.

Seen an old video recently  when there was trouble  with the  Obins street march. Mid 80's I think

When  was that route stopped? Did the OO give it up  voluntarily or  what was the story there?

Was that not as a result of the Public Order Act being repealed in 1987 that removed the special status of the parades, banning them from going through Obin's street?

[AustinPowers]

What's the end game here for the OO because it's not going to be a march down Garvaghy road. They can nit pick legal rulings all they want but a march will not be happening. It's been established that the police are not going to evict a single protestor from that road.  Surely they can't be that thick at this point to not know that.  So this is about them making a point, creating disturbance, creating ill feeling and rancour.  They're happy to wreck any relations there were in the Portadown area, and by the sounds of it in other areas where they think they should get to march where they want unrestricted.

There are nuances within unionism.

Some (like the ones who signed the letter) want nothing to do with parades. A Protestant friend of mine in one of the cycling clubs years ago said his family never took anything to do with the "oul lodges. They're about nothing but stirring up trouble." They might vote for Alliance and give transfers to UUP.

Some (like my old neighbours) would take a passing interest in the parades and would sit outside the house to watch them, but that'd be the limit of their participation. Likely UUP voters.

Some probably genuinely believe their own propaganda about how the OO is a harmless charity like the Rotary Club. Some of them are probably mild-mannered, others would be the pious fire-and-brimstone types, some of them thinking we live in the end times. DUP voters.

Some are all-in with the sectarian supremacism and yearn for the good old days when Fenians would be battered off the street by a police force that was basically the paramilitary wing of the Orange. There may be a few among them who actually believe it's achievable, and are overestimating the amount of support the Orange still have among police ranks. Jim Allister would represent this segment.

Then you have the half-educated yobs who just see a good riot opportunity and are itching to get wrecking the place, and probably don't fully understand what it's all about. They certainly wouldn't know who the Peep-o-Day Boys or the Defenders were. Voter turnout might not be high among this group.

A variation of that would be the half-educated yobs who have figured out how to use a search engine and suddenly think they're Edward Carson. Bryson would be this sort.

To answer your question, there are some who probably believe they'll get marching down the road, and they're fantasising about getting through the Lower Ormeau again. I wouldn't be surprised if they think they'll even get through the Tunnel via Obins St. even though that route's been dead to them for donkey's years.

There may be some chess-players in there thinking several moves ahead and aiming to collapse Stormont, but my honest impression is that most of them don't really know what they're doing. Like the ones that pushed for Brexit because they wanted the border back, they're pushing in a general direction that feels right, but not putting much thought into the actual consequences of their actions, resulting in a pattern of strategic errors that consistently undermine the unionist cause.

Seen an old video recently  when there was trouble  with the  Obins street march. Mid 80's I think

When  was that route stopped? Did the OO give it up  voluntarily or  what was the story there?

Was that not as a result of the Public Order Act being repealed in 1987 that removed the special status of the parades, banning them from going through Obin's street?

If that's the case , it begs  the question, why didn't they just ban them from  going down the Garvaghy Road years ago?

[Tubberman]

Not that it means a whole lot, but i heard a couple of SF representatives on radio in the last week pronounce the hard 'g' in Garvaghy i.e. like Garvacky.
I thought that was a tell-tale sign of one's "leaning"?

[imtommygunn]

I am more and more convinced by the day there'd be no peace process if Nolan was about in gfa time. It really is time it was stopped.

[Eamonnca1]

He's no Dunseith, that's for sure. In fact, Dunseith was probably a factor in why there was a peace process. He was always fair and didn't go for sensationalist nonsense.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Not that it means a whole lot, but i heard a couple of SF representatives on radio in the last week pronounce the hard 'g' in Garvaghy i.e. like Garvacky.
I thought that was a tell-tale sign of one's "leaning"?

Not at all. It's mainly a northeastern thing across all creeds.

[Orior]

Not that it means a whole lot, but i heard a couple of SF representatives on radio in the last week pronounce the hard 'g' in Garvaghy i.e. like Garvacky.
I thought that was a tell-tale sign of one's "leaning"?

From the Placenames website...

Suggested Origin:
   Ir. Garbhachadh 'rough field'

Background:
The townland was shown as Garravaghie on the Escheated Count ymap in 1609 (map 29, Oneilland north) and was granted in 1610 to William Powell (CPR Jas. I 165a). Between 1639 (Garowaghy) and 1661 (Garvaghy) it was held by Hamlet Obbyns Esq.  The name is a recurring compound Garbhachadh, meaning 'rough field' (LNP 77).


1609 Garravaghie
1610 Garravaghy (Ballyworran)
1639 Garowaghy
1657 td Garvaghy
1659 Garvaghie
1661 Garvaghy
1835 Garvaghey ~Garbh achadh ""rough field""

[DaleCooper]

Carla demanding to know if the IRA were at Garvacky protest.

Mary Lou conducting a seance at Halloween to find out.

[Wildweasel74]

They werent too worried when the UFF were there in the Mid 90's

[marty34]

Should she not be worried about these lads from yesterday....?


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwr5y8jm991yo

[JoG2]

Should she not be worried about these lads from yesterday....?


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwr5y8jm991yo

It must be marching powder season