Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[DaleCooper]

Quinn getting lot of abuse but Teague was poor on the chip up point[kerrys 3rd]. Its basic defending to shout "you take goal side" and they would have him bottled up. Instead Teague went same way as Quinn and DC had a free shot from ten yards.

For fifth point Clarke is at fault. He runs diagonally instead of  making beeline to protect goal,  Clifford goes round Quinn and fists a points, could have easily been a goal chance by squaring it. He would have made up space if he wasnt ball watching.

Kerry at 1-18 another example of bad defending / switching off.. no one tracking kerrys most on fire forward. Punished with a critical two pointer.

The goal was part comedy of errors and DCs brilliance.

Kerry have become reliant on DC for inpsiration, a potential weak point.  He could be gobbled up with more seasoned defending as examples listed show.

[NotedObserver]

Again I think we will be looking for some extra height to help the midfield. Oguz, Aidan donaghy and Ben McDonnell have been out much of the year. Do Oisin McCann or McHugh have it? Conor Oneill coming onboard but not overally tall.

Daly hasn't really came on that much, Seanie has done decent this year but his position wouldn't be secure. Is there many options there in club football?

Again if Donnelly calls it a day could be looking for a target inside but in the game it is now maybe quick ball in to likes of Canavan and Mcelholm will do damage.

[tyrone08]

How has mcshane been playing at club level. We need a big physical presence in ff.

Would love to have stephen oneill in back room team. McCurry was saying after mayo game how much he helped him

[HokeyPokey]

It beggars belief that people are criticising that performance. The team showed amazing determination, grit and skill. We were a hair's breadth in that match against a fantastic Kerry team, the best in the country, probably by a distance and has serious pedigree. Given where the team was when MOR took over, it's laughable to say there's been no progress, especially with such a young inexperienced team.

We were without the Canavans and yet if it weren't for multiple clear errors by the officials, and other debateable ones, the odds are we could have been in a semi final and well on the way to our fifth Sam Maguire. I thought the match was fantastic and the ref was good up until the closing stages, but disappointing that the officials made such clear errors and having such a bearing on the flow and outcome in the final minutes.

Tyrone lost and could have done better on several fronts. They played really very well but more needed because Tyrone rarely get an even break at this level/stage of the competition. That is just the way it is; so Tyrone often need to be the best of the best and trying to point out how do that with all honesty might help.

Yes, no doubt there's areas for improvement, but the same could be said of any team, including Kerry. But again this was an inexperienced Tyrone team and Tyrone teams have either not turned up or wilted when the pressure came on in recent years. This was a serious performance, being harsh on the team now is a bit much.

And I don't think it really should be brushed off how bad those decisions were and at key times when Tyrone had the momentum. A Tyrone player taken out in the air, so obviously that the Kerry players stopped and then scored from it. A two pointer opportunity given to Kerry and scored, for a rule which was binned and even then I think the mark needed to be called which it wasn't, adding insult to injury the rule wasn't erroneously applied to Tyrone when the same thing happened to Conn. And then a 45 given for a wide. It's one thing when there's debatable calls but these weren't debatable.

[DaleCooper]

I just saw that Teague challenge... GAA + did a youtube weekend review. One of guys said there was two fouls, think DOC pulled wee Seanies arm.

Fly as fk. Same way paul murphy was blocking runners for foley to run onto their short kickouts.

Honestly thats worse than 95 all told despite bigger stakes. There will be an asterix beside the 26 Sam if they retain it.

[Aaron Boone]

Kerry fans saying the black card not given for Gavin White challenge negates all the Tyrone critiquing the referee. And it's also "time to move on". 

[WT4E]

Again I think we will be looking for some extra height to help the midfield. Oguz, Aidan donaghy and Ben McDonnell have been out much of the year. Do Oisin McCann or McHugh have it? Conor Oneill coming onboard but not overally tall.

Daly hasn't really came on that much, Seanie has done decent this year but his position wouldn't be secure. Is there many options there in club football?

Again if Donnelly calls it a day could be looking for a target inside but in the game it is now maybe quick ball in to likes of Canavan and Mcelholm will do damage.

James Mulgrew eventually too early for next year but in a few he's got height and fetching ability and he is also very skilful talented player who can score. Would be a serious upgrade on our current half forwards.

[DaleCooper]

Kerry fans saying the black card not given for Gavin White challenge negates all the Tyrone critiquing the referee. And it's also "time to move on". 

They are some shower. Make Plumbridge men look like refined gentlemen.

As I was mocked for saying on another thread the days of the buspass Umpires needs to end. A wee jolly for refs buddies is not good enough.

We really need to hammer into younger gen what the kerry folk are actually like as well, felt we were too respectful at times. Learn for next time.

[tyrone08]

Does anyone think tyrone suffered due to their ongoing protest of Allianz. If tyrone made it to an AI final it would be a huge headache for the GAA to have a team boycott Allianz. Its not that far of a stretch to be honest. Especially considering I believe they have would of one the AI if they had beaten Kerry.

Can anyone name a single other time when the ref, linesman and umpires all made wrong calls against the same team?

[square_ball]

Does anyone think tyrone suffered due to their ongoing protest of Allianz. If tyrone made it to an AI final it would be a huge headache for the GAA to have a team boycott Allianz. Its not that far of a stretch to be honest. Especially considering I believe they have would of one the AI if they had beaten Kerry.

Can anyone name a single other time when the ref, linesman and umpires all made wrong calls against the same team?

This is up there with the Jim Allister/Jeffrey Donaldson conspiracy.

I can imagine the conversation alright. Tyrone players or managers don't want to be interviewed in front of an Allianz sign. Lets make sure they don't make it to the AI final.

[tyrone08]

Does anyone think tyrone suffered due to their ongoing protest of Allianz. If tyrone made it to an AI final it would be a huge headache for the GAA to have a team boycott Allianz. Its not that far of a stretch to be honest. Especially considering I believe they have would of one the AI if they had beaten Kerry.

Can anyone name a single other time when the ref, linesman and umpires all made wrong calls against the same team?

This is up there with the Jim Allister/Jeffrey Donaldson conspiracy.

I can imagine the conversation alright. Tyrone players or managers don't want to be interviewed in front of an Allianz sign. Lets make sure they don't make it to the AI final.

Why do you think its a far stretch?  Do you think Allianz would be happy giving sponsorship money to GAA and have the winning team refuse to be associated with them at all? As far as conspiracy theories go this is hardly a stretch given the sheer amount of bad calls given against Tyrone by all officials and not just the ref. 

Dont tell me you think the world is full of roses and goodwill.

[square_ball]

Does anyone think tyrone suffered due to their ongoing protest of Allianz. If tyrone made it to an AI final it would be a huge headache for the GAA to have a team boycott Allianz. Its not that far of a stretch to be honest. Especially considering I believe they have would of one the AI if they had beaten Kerry.

Can anyone name a single other time when the ref, linesman and umpires all made wrong calls against the same team?

This is up there with the Jim Allister/Jeffrey Donaldson conspiracy.

I can imagine the conversation alright. Tyrone players or managers don't want to be interviewed in front of an Allianz sign. Lets make sure they don't make it to the AI final.

Why do you think its a far stretch?  Do you think Allianz would be happy giving sponsorship money to GAA and have the winning team refuse to be associated with them at all? As far as conspiracy theories go this is hardly a stretch given the sheer amount of bad calls given against Tyrone by all officials and not just the ref. 

Dont tell me you think the world is full of roses and goodwill.

So Paddy Neilan, linesmen and umpires were briefed on this beforehand? "Any call MUST go Kerrys way today lads." What about Brendan Cawley in the Mayo match - was he told about this need for Tyrone to be out of the championship? Maybe he will be blacklisted by the GAA for giving that last minute free kick to Tyrone? What about David Gough in the Roscommon game? He will likely have gotten a slap on the wrist for not giving a penalty to Roscommon. Or maybe it only applied to knock out matches?

Please tell me more about how this would have played out in the corridors of Croke Park? I'm genuinely intrigued. Maybe I am just too naive for this world and this goes on all the time.

[DaleCooper]

What did Tyrone do on Bank of Ireland in 1995? Lol

The Allianz stuff is something Kerrymen would come up [water bottle poisoning etc]

More plausible is the Roscommon man Neilan was annoyed by the defeat in the Hyde or had money down. That or he just got a few calls wrong in heat of the moment, didnt take a second to settle his head and maybe intimidated by the Kerry mafia.

Most of Tyrone happy to put the boot in Martin as we knew he was fond of the controversies.

How much of Louth 2010 helped propel them the way 1995 pushed Tyrone on?

Young lads exposed to that sense of injustice in an era of "nice" should be interesting.

[DaleCooper]

Cawley gave the free because he was told of the handy draw Mayo would get LMAO

[tyrone08]

Does anyone think tyrone suffered due to their ongoing protest of Allianz. If tyrone made it to an AI final it would be a huge headache for the GAA to have a team boycott Allianz. Its not that far of a stretch to be honest. Especially considering I believe they have would of one the AI if they had beaten Kerry.

Can anyone name a single other time when the ref, linesman and umpires all made wrong calls against the same team?

This is up there with the Jim Allister/Jeffrey Donaldson conspiracy.

I can imagine the conversation alright. Tyrone players or managers don't want to be interviewed in front of an Allianz sign. Lets make sure they don't make it to the AI final.

Why do you think its a far stretch?  Do you think Allianz would be happy giving sponsorship money to GAA and have the winning team refuse to be associated with them at all? As far as conspiracy theories go this is hardly a stretch given the sheer amount of bad calls given against Tyrone by all officials and not just the ref. 

Dont tell me you think the world is full of roses and goodwill.

So Paddy Neilan, linesmen and umpires were briefed on this beforehand? "Any call MUST go Kerrys way today lads." What about Brendan Cawley in the Mayo match - was he told about this need for Tyrone to be out of the championship? Maybe he will be blacklisted by the GAA for giving that last minute free kick to Tyrone? What about David Gough in the Roscommon game? He will likely have gotten a slap on the wrist for not giving a penalty to Roscommon. Or maybe it only applied to knock out matches?

Please tell me more about how this would have played out in the corridors of Croke Park? I'm genuinely intrigued. Maybe I am just too naive for this world and this goes on all the time.

What has David Gough got to do with it? This isn't about a single ref error this is about multiple errors made by all different officials in the same game- when have you ever seen that before?

Ref picks his umpires etc. Simple case of here Paddy it would be difficult for us if tyrone made it to a final.

You seriously telling me that you cant see a situation where a company paying millions of euro in sponsorship each year says we wouldnt be happy if the winning team is boycotting us. Jesus with all going on in the world these days this is the more straightfoward one to believe.

Lets review the errors-


Umpire stands on opposite side of the nets and awards a 45 to kerry when ball clearly kicked wide by Kerry player.
Linesman signals side line ball for Kerry when Conn caught it cleanly- ball never went out of play.
Ref incorrectly brings a mark up 50m for Kerry due to perceived infraction.
Ref doesnt bring a mark up 50m for Tyrone when Conn claimed the mark and was brought down moments later for a neck high challenge.
Teague pulled to ground after cleanly catching the ball, both Kerry players stop waiting for free to be given and ref waves play on.
Ref gives a hop ball after McGeary catches it and is pulled to the ground.

3 different officials cant make that number of mistakes without there being something else at play. Listening to the monday club podcast last night Cahair O'Kane in his own words said "i am adamant that tyrone got shafted"