Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[square_ball]

In the light of the ref's mistake in bringing the ball forward for Kerry after the clean mark was impeded and Malachy's clear distress at this decision and helplessness at the same time, could we not have a manager's call to halt the game and review the ref's rule violation? We previously had Noel Mooney infamously not allowing Monaghan that sideline kick v Derry but fortunately there was a ref on the pitch (Micheál Bannigan) to literally turn the titanic around i.e. get the ref to see sense and change his decision.

David Garland the onfield Monaghan ref was it not?

[Main Street]

In the light of the ref's mistake in bringing the ball forward for Kerry after the clean mark was impeded and Malachy's clear distress at this decision and helplessness at the same time, could we not have a manager's call to halt the game and review the ref's rule violation? We previously had Noel Mooney infamously not allowing Monaghan that sideline kick v Derry but fortunately there was a ref on the pitch (Micheál Bannigan) to literally turn the titanic around i.e. get the ref to see sense and change his decision.

David Garland the onfield Monaghan ref was it not?

Yes it was, thanks for the correction.

[AustinPowers]

Clifford's goal

When he was passed the ball he  reached for it, bounced it , caught it. Then bounced again before shooting

I'm assuming the first bounce wasn't considered a  proper bounce, as he hadn't the ball in his  hands?

[blanketattack]

Clifford's goal

When he was passed the ball he  reached for it, bounced it , caught it. Then bounced again before shooting

I'm assuming the first bounce wasn't considered a  proper bounce, as he hadn't the ball in his  hands?

Correct. Although I thought it related to having control of the ball rather than having it in his hands.

[2ndstringsub]

I have wondered this for a while now but Tyrones misfortune begs the question.

With referees having to complete bleep tests to ensure they are fit for the role.

Do their umpires etc. have to complete absolutely anything at all? are they tested about square balls? is there an eye test?

James O'Donoghue has for years been one of my favorite pundits and regularly jokes about the age/demographic from which umpires usually come from. I'm sure he will be quieter this week on it as the kingdom look forward to their next game, but I know deep down him and most other fair minded supporters know that they got away with one at the weekend.

[Rossfan]

And Tyrone got away with 2 penalties in Hyde Park.

[2ndstringsub]

And Tyrone got away with 2 penalties in Hyde Park.

Ahh here we move on I'm looking forward to the club scene now it is what it is. Just curious what umpires are actually there for or required to have to warrant their positions.

Agree at the time I thought you should've had a penalty for the 1st instance but on seeing it back it just seems like he runs into trouble in my opinion but again that's with a slow-mo replay. In real time id have given it and had no grievances about it.

To be honest I don't remember the 2nd call at all.

[Milltown Row2]

Clifford's goal

When he was passed the ball he  reached for it, bounced it , caught it. Then bounced again before shooting

I'm assuming the first bounce wasn't considered a  proper bounce, as he hadn't the ball in his  hands?

Correct. Although I thought it related to having control of the ball rather than having it in his hands.

If you're not in 'control' of the ball you can bounce it all the way up the pitch

[tiempo]

Clifford's goal

When he was passed the ball he  reached for it, bounced it , caught it. Then bounced again before shooting

I'm assuming the first bounce wasn't considered a  proper bounce, as he hadn't the ball in his  hands?

Correct. Although I thought it related to having control of the ball rather than having it in his hands.

If you're not in 'control' of the ball you can bounce it all the way up the pitch

Lebron style huh

[Rossfan]

And Tyrone got away with 2 penalties in Hyde Park.

Ahh here we move on I'm looking forward to the club scene now it is what it is. Just curious what umpires are actually there for or required to have to warrant their positions.

Agree at the time I thought you should've had a penalty for the 1st instance but on seeing it back it just seems like he runs into trouble in my opinion but again that's with a slow-mo replay. In real time id have given it and had no grievances about it.

To be honest I don't remember the 2nd call at all.

Daire Cregg picking up a low ball, kicked away as he put his hands to it by a defender.
Free all day out the field.
All water under the bridge now anyway so as you say we move on.
Umpires are provided by Refs which is a bit too loose an arrangement for top level games.

[2ndstringsub]

And Tyrone got away with 2 penalties in Hyde Park.

Ahh here we move on I'm looking forward to the club scene now it is what it is. Just curious what umpires are actually there for or required to have to warrant their positions.

Agree at the time I thought you should've had a penalty for the 1st instance but on seeing it back it just seems like he runs into trouble in my opinion but again that's with a slow-mo replay. In real time id have given it and had no grievances about it.

To be honest I don't remember the 2nd call at all.

Daire Cregg picking up a low ball, kicked away as he put his hands to it by a defender.
Free all day out the field.
All water under the bridge now anyway so as you say we move on.
Umpires are provided by Refs which is a bit too loose an arrangement for top level games.

ahh in the same passage of play. yeah I agree that's a free anywhere else on the park.

It is worth noting though that many refs are starting to let the foot go in or even the pressure on a mans back/backside causing him to go down when trying to lift the ball.

It was hammered into us at underage that you'd be rewarded for your bravery going down on a ball and taking basically any contact but referees are less and less inclined to give it.

[square_ball]

Umpires are provided by Refs which is a bit too loose an arrangement for top level games.

Sean Hurson takes 4 referees from Tyrone for his umpires. Maybe a good solution to the taking the 'oul boy' for a day out argument.

[Milltown Row2]

Guys, the days in the sun are great, Croke Park is a nice gig and you are well looked after, so no issues getting referees to help as Umpires...

Its January in the pissing rain 150 miles away, 300 mile return trip to the arsehole of nowhere that these boys are not available, having a dedicated set of umpires that are willing to give up their weekends to help out a clubman or relative is hard to get. They don't get a cent for it either. There are umpire courses and no doubt these lads would have completed them. Referee's are assessed based on their umpires performance and appearances also

I don't know the dynamic of this ref's umpire set up but be rest assured, if this umpire was with him in Jan and they have the gig in Croke Park I know who I'll be taking, on that incident, I'd the luxury of watching it on TV and still didn't see it properly on first view 

[SCFC]

Umpires are provided by Refs which is a bit too loose an arrangement for top level games.

Sean Hurson takes 4 referees from Tyrone for his umpires. Maybe a good solution to the taking the 'oul boy' for a day out argument.

Say you start out doing a bit of umpiring with Sean Hurson 10 years ago. He starts to climb the ladder and get big games and you're told you're not needed for those days.
If Sean messages you to do a Division 3 game in Strabane in March with him, you mightn't be as responsive to him.

[square_ball]

Umpires are provided by Refs which is a bit too loose an arrangement for top level games.

Sean Hurson takes 4 referees from Tyrone for his umpires. Maybe a good solution to the taking the 'oul boy' for a day out argument.

Say you start out doing a bit of umpiring with Sean Hurson 10 years ago. He starts to climb the ladder and get big games and you're told you're not needed for those days.
If Sean messages you to do a Division 3 game in Strabane in March with him, you mightn't be as responsive to him.

He's had the same 4 men for as long as I can remember.