Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Main Street]

Well David, that got a bit long. That is the hooter rule re a ball in flight. It had changed to allow such a line ball awarded before the hoot, that change was documented, voted upon and  reported in official documents and the media, at least one ref did not read the memo and was informed by another ref on the pitch in the Monaghan Derry. The change Smoking Joe says happened, well there is no record anywhere of it happening and no backfire since the Sam Mulroy goal.

[David McKeown]

MS

Unless I'm misreading it what Smokin Joe said is that the goal was the Louth goal was fine and should have stood. From your post it seems it shouldn't have. Having read this thread I'm none the wiser.

My complaint is that this strikes me as a fundamental issue this and one you'd think would be covered in some form in the rule book or the FRC report or easily accessible document from central council but it doesn't seem to be.

[onefineday]

Watching Down and Fermanagh this afternoon. Get that hooter so far to f**k away from Gaelic games.

If Jarlath and his cronies want to go to watch basketball I'm sure they can organise a yearly trip to meet the New York delegates.

I hate it and will never warm to it. kickouts etc are lost time, they should be re-allocated at the end of the game. 

And more hooter confusion at the end of both halves in croker. First half he should have stopped the clock with about 15 secs left, it didn't happen, hooter went, he sorta tried to say it shouldn't have, but then decided "feck it" I'll just let it be as the dublin players were heading off pitch anyway. And as for the end of the game....

[David McKeown]

Watching Down and Fermanagh this afternoon. Get that hooter so far to f**k away from Gaelic games.

If Jarlath and his cronies want to go to watch basketball I'm sure they can organise a yearly trip to meet the New York delegates.

I hate it and will never warm to it. kickouts etc are lost time, they should be re-allocated at the end of the game. 

And more hooter confusion at the end of both halves in croker. First half he should have stopped the clock with about 15 secs left, it didn't happen, hooter went, he sorta tried to say it shouldn't have, but then decided "feck it" I'll just let it be as the dublin players were heading off pitch anyway. And as for the end of the game....

On that at the end. I thought it was the correct decision but it did make me wonder about the score at the end of the first half of extra time. Donegal had been awarded a 21m free in front of the post for a breach (now I know they were taking it out anyway) and the Dublin keeper didn't hand it back but set it on the ground like what had happened in normal time. What's the penalty in that instance because you already have a free in the middle of the goal on the 21. Does that mean the rule on handing it back at that stage can be ignored with impunity?

[AustinPowers]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

[marty34]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

[Smokin Joe]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

The ref wouldn't have allowed the sub to be made before the black cards were dished out after half time; so that is the Derry game.

But yesterday's game was different as it was Extra Time and so the teams submit a brand new teamsheet at the start of Extra Time. It would have been interesting what would have happened had some of the 4 black carded players not been named.
I don't think this is considered in the rule book as the thinking would have been that the cards would have been issued before they left the pitch, not after they come back out.  This seems to have been a new trend set by Hurson this summer.

[twohands!!!]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.

[Armagh18]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.
 

Am I right in saying that for extra time you can name any 15 you like and it doesn't count towards your subs? The ref probably would have told them to wise up if they'd tried it?

[twohands!!!]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.
 

Am I right in saying that for extra time you can name any 15 you like and it doesn't count towards your subs? The ref probably would have told them to wise up if they'd tried it?

I have half an notion of reading something about this at some stage - I think it might be written something like "for extra-time a team may list 15 eligible players"
I'm not certain of this (it may have changed when the rules about yellows/reds being carried over to extra-time were changed) Don't have time/energy to track the specific rule down now.

[twohands!!!]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.
 

Am I right in saying that for extra time you can name any 15 you like and it doesn't count towards your subs? The ref probably would have told them to wise up if they'd tried it?

I have half an notion of reading something about this at some stage - I think it might be written something like "for extra-time a team may list 15 eligible players" Doesn't count towards subs. I think this is a holdover from when extra-time was seen as a new game. I'm not certain of this (it may have changed when the rules about yellows/reds being carried over to extra-time were changed) Don't have time/energy to track the specific rule down now.

[Smokin Joe]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.
 

Am I right in saying that for extra time you can name any 15 you like and it doesn't count towards your subs? The ref probably would have told them to wise up if they'd tried it?

Yes, you submit a new teamsheet.  Can start whoever you want out of your 26 (noting a player hasn't been black or red carded in a game)

[David McKeown]

What would have  happened if Donegal subbed Murphy at  the end of 70 minutes?

Would he  have been black carded on the bench?

And would  Donegal have been allowed to  then start ET with 14 men, instead of 13?

Was thinking that last week in the Derry V Meath game.

After the minor melee at half-time, clear to see Mc Kinless was involved. Should Derry not have subbed him and then what would have happened?

Pretty sure any substitution attempt would just be ignored as the game is stopped.

I think this might be why the rule on substitution is worded that they can only come on when there is a stoppage.
 

Am I right in saying that for extra time you can name any 15 you like and it doesn't count towards your subs? The ref probably would have told them to wise up if they'd tried it?

Yes, you submit a new teamsheet.  Can start whoever you want out of your 26 (noting a player hasn't been black or red carded in a game)

It was changed a couple of years ago and is now slightly different in that you can replace all players on the pitch at full time.  Slightly different to naming a new team and means red cards and even time on a black card carrying over.

Its playing rule 2.5

[Main Street]

In the light of the ref's mistake in bringing the ball forward for Kerry after the clean mark was impeded and Malachy's clear distress at this decision and helplessness at the same time, could we not have a manager's call to halt the game and review the ref's rule violation? We previously had Noel Mooney infamously not allowing Monaghan that sideline kick v Derry but fortunately there was a ref on the pitch (Micheál Bannigan) to literally turn the titanic around i.e. get the ref to see sense and change his decision.

[Brendan]

It was such a blatant error why didn't one of his linesmen correct him as we've seen in other cases