Louth vs Armagh 14-06-26 Inniskeen

[ONeill]

Typical Gavin Devlin performance. Louth were good in the tackle and dispossessed Armagh with accurate hand to ball tackling. That's probably their ceiling but some scalp.

I still think Armagh are the team to beat, unless that's the start of Kerry timing it right. Probably best for Armagh to get Kerry now.

[Smokin Joe]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Defensive touches do not count in the same way offensive touches do, otherwise a penalty at the hooter that skims the keepers hand wouldn't count either.

At what point is the game over then? If he catches the ball it's game over? Although I do see the point about a tipped penalty which is hard to argue with. Is there any language about the defending team having to secure possession?

They don't have to secure possession.  But the attacking team can't touch the ball again after the hooter, so as long as the ball is stopped going into the goal (or above the bar) then the game is over.

[armaghniac]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Tv clock was wrong I believe. There was 8/9 seconds left on stadium clock when he kicked it

In this day and age of electronics then they need to link the TV to the stadium clock and not have the possibility of a difference.

[AustinPowers]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Tv clock was wrong I believe. There was 8/9 seconds left on stadium clock when he kicked it

In this day and age of electronics then they need to link the TV to the stadium clock and not have the possibility of a difference.

Or do the sensible thing and  scrap it

There are times  in games where the clock is stopped, and  the play could be 10 seconds old again before the clock is started  again.  Then in case of an injury , the clock could roll on for  20 seconds before   it's stopped.

All those lost seconds are crucial now , and  in the end could  decide a game..

[thewobbler]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Tv clock was wrong I believe. There was 8/9 seconds left on stadium clock when he kicked it

In this day and age of electronics then they need to link the TV to the stadium clock and not have the possibility of a difference.

Or do the sensible thing and  scrap it

There are times  in games where the clock is stopped, and  the play could be 10 seconds old again before the clock is started  again.  Then in case of an injury , the clock could roll on for  20 seconds before   it's stopped.

All those lost seconds are crucial now , and  in the end could  decide a game..

Or do the most sensible thing and stop focusing on rules and regulations, and focus instead on football.

[armaghniac]

I still think Armagh are the team to beat, unless that's the start of Kerry timing it right. Probably best for Armagh to get Kerry now.

Armagh may not survive beyond 6 days. But if they do then they have had good training from their neighbours. Today's game should probably have been a draw like Tyrone and Monaghan. The exception was Tailteann cup team Down, who we beat by 27 points.

[Wildweasel74]

No.6 for Louth a very good player, stood out the day Derry played them in Ardee too.

[APM]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Tv clock was wrong I believe. There was 8/9 seconds left on stadium clock when he kicked it

In this day and age of electronics then they need to link the TV to the stadium clock and not have the possibility of a difference.

Or do the sensible thing and  scrap it

There are times  in games where the clock is stopped, and  the play could be 10 seconds old again before the clock is started  again.  Then in case of an injury , the clock could roll on for  20 seconds before   it's stopped.

All those lost seconds are crucial now , and  in the end could  decide a game..

Or do the most sensible thing and stop focusing on rules and regulations, and focus instead on football.

Spot on!!

[Lazer]

I  think we've seen  nearly all of the   problems possible with this hooter system.

Clearly it's time  it was binned.

The hooter is the fairest thing possible imo...it went against armagh tonight (but supposedely the issue waa actually tv and stadium being out of sync) but that doesnt detract from the fairness of it.

Only issue i have with it is the free called before the hooter..the offensive team should be allowed more  than 1 kick.

[onefineday]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Tv clock was wrong I believe. There was 8/9 seconds left on stadium clock when he kicked it

In this day and age of electronics then they need to link the TV to the stadium clock and not have the possibility of a difference.

Or do the sensible thing and  scrap it

There are times  in games where the clock is stopped, and  the play could be 10 seconds old again before the clock is started  again.  Then in case of an injury , the clock could roll on for  20 seconds before   it's stopped.

All those lost seconds are crucial now , and  in the end could  decide a game..

Could not agree more, it's been a constant bug bear - there's this perception that it provides total accuracy and transparency, and true it does provide transparency for injury time (except in stadia where there is no clock, in which case it should not have been in use), but apart from the last minute the system is pretty arbitrary. I watched a good portion of three games over the weekend and there were any amount of times that the clock and ref weren't in sync, there's also the totally arbitrary decision by the ref to stop the clock sometimes and not on other seemingly identical occasions. Not to mention the gap from when the ref asks for the clock to be stopped and it actually happening.
It's absolutely time to bin the stupid experiment which is better suited to indoor or play based sports like we have in the US. We had a superb club championship where refs managed the time with discretion and very little controversy. Time to swallow the pride and the sunk costs invested in this experiment and move on.
If they insist on retaining it, they have to revert to last year's system.

[onefineday]

I  think we've seen  nearly all of the   problems possible with this hooter system.

Clearly it's time  it was binned.

The hooter is the fairest thing possible imo...it went against armagh tonight (but supposedely the issue waa actually tv and stadium being out of sync) but that doesnt detract from the fairness of it.

Only issue i have with it is the free called before the hooter..the offensive team should be allowed more  than 1 kick.

Go watch a few recordings on gaa plus and keep an eye on how the time operates and you'll soon see that it's not fit for purpose.

[RedHand88]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Defensive touches do not count in the same way offensive touches do, otherwise a penalty at the hooter that skims the keepers hand wouldn't count either.

What? Seriously?

Yes seriously. Makes sense if you think about it.
Otherwise a keeper could just punch it over the bar knowing it won't count!

[tonto1888]

I  think we've seen  nearly all of the   problems possible with this hooter system.

Clearly it's time  it was binned.

The hooter is the fairest thing possible imo...it went against armagh tonight (but supposedely the issue waa actually tv and stadium being out of sync) but that doesnt detract from the fairness of it.

Only issue i have with it is the free called before the hooter..the offensive team should be allowed more  than 1 kick.

hooter didnt go against us yesterday tho. RTE causing confusion by saying there was no clovk in the stadium, which was wrong

[square_ball]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Defensive touches do not count in the same way offensive touches do, otherwise a penalty at the hooter that skims the keepers hand wouldn't count either.

What? Seriously?

Yes seriously. Makes sense if you think about it.
Otherwise a keeper could just punch it over the bar knowing it won't count!

Would it have been a 2 pointer if Rafferty had punched the ball over the bar from the Mulroy shot?

[Armagh18]

Mulroy kicked at 70.00 on the TV clock and a couple of seconds before Rafferty touched it, which is clearly off the line. Game was over in theory.

Defensive touches do not count in the same way offensive touches do, otherwise a penalty at the hooter that skims the keepers hand wouldn't count either.

What? Seriously?

Yes seriously. Makes sense if you think about it.
Otherwise a keeper could just punch it over the bar knowing it won't count!

Would it have been a 2 pointer if Rafferty had punched the ball over the bar from the Mulroy shot?

Yeah