Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[Goals_Will_Come]

James Mulgrew from Kildress has also featured.

Would he have played any club minor at all this season?

No, I dont think him or Peter Colton have played a minor club game this year which isn't right in my view.

Same with Goodman, Quinn, McAnespie and Ronan Donnelly. None have played their final year of club minor football.

[2ndstringsub]

What is the plan for senior football now? 29th May? Would be latest start to a season ever. Madness.

Think going forward from next year club senior football needs to start regardless of Tyrone U-20s. County Board needs to show leadership on this issue.

I can't understand the grief the county board gets about this, it is the county committee made up of all club delegates that decided no club ball until U20"s are over, certain clubs refuse to play without their U20's, the CB can't overrule the wishes of the clubs at county committee level. It is these clubs that need to be held accountable or else the full league set up needs changed, the county board put options to clubs about this but proposed changes got shot down. It looks like senior league won't start until 5th June

I can see both sides but id have to imagine its a very finite number of clubs affected by the players they're missing so it has to be oldfashionedness etc. keeping the change from coming from the masses.

The grief however is much easier to figure out when you consider that for a few weeks teams are expected to play 2 games a week for a number of weeks. With the latest start ever now proposed this will only be worse than ever.

Wasnt all this change for player welfare? I know in our own club its impossible to get even the club physio when it gets to this time of year as lads are being flogged with games after having trained for 8-9 months and then trying to balance work/games/rehab particularly in that busy spell is very difficult.

But with all this said at least poor little Ardboe dont have to play their early league fixtures without 2/3young boys. Im being sarcastic here and using Ardboe as an example but the point stands. A proper restructure is needed.

When I looked at the proposals at the end of last year regarding the restructuring of the leagues to decouple Senior and 2nds football it was apparent that we are putting the wrong people in post to come up with these plans. People will vote for 4game leagues etc because they want any kind of change. but the right change isn't being put onto paper for voting.
 

[RouskyRanger]

Championship draw done. Be hard to call any of those games at this stage in the year

Ill attempt the impossible here.

Division 1
Loughmacrory V Dungannon Loughmacrory beat Dungannon who I can see starting to falter in their d1 status
Coalisland V Clonoe This will be built up and will be a damp squib Draw with Clonoe winning replay
Killyclogher V Errigal Ciaran The Barista men will be lucky to be within 10 pts of Gods Sons Errigal Ciaran
Omagh V Moortown Moortown lucky to still be in the division easy victory for the City men
Trillick V Galbally Trillick will walk this
Edendork V Ardboe This has the makings of a great game but the tall cross men will be too green just yet Dorks to win
Eglish V Donaghmore Contentious one perhaps but I think Eglish walk this Donaghmore likely to be in freefall with Bradley at this stage i'm told.. with Logan unable to settle the ship
Carrickmore V Dromore Carrickmore will use this game to lay a marker down to the whole county but more importantly their neighbours the county champs.

Division 2
Aghyaran V Moy Moy win this as the Donegal side age and numbers not coming through
Cookstown V Drumquin Drumquin use underage success and a decent 2025 campaign to overcome the home of bleached blonde hair and white adidas preds
Greencastle V Beragh Beragh will win both the fight for the mountains above Carrickmore as well as the football game
Clogher V Pomeroy Probably the hardest to call in the division, Pomeroy edge it with a bit of experience and some of the counties oldest stars
Rock V Kildress Kildress to beat their neigbours convincingly
Gortin V Naomh Eoghan Gortin win this and Naomh Eoghan Get back to playing soccer for Ardstraw
Owen Roes V Aghaloo Aghaloo to win handy and as a result Owen Roes will be relegated
Kileeshil V Derrylaughan Derrylaughan will beat Kileeshil and they'll blame the lack of a bad smell on their poor performance

Division 3
Fintona V Urney Fintona win this and aim for a junior championship
Stewartstown V Strabane Stewartstown win this narrowly in a dull affair
Eskra V Augher Augher by a handful

Derrytresk V Killyman Derrytresk beat killyman with the remnants of a 2011 all ireland finalists panel...
Glenelly V Castlederg The Derg beat Glenelly in a swashbuckling affair
Brackaville V Tattyreagh The Tatts beat Brackaville
Clann Na Gael V Brocagh Clann Na Gael beat Brocagh at their leisure
Donaghmore III V Drumragh If Drumragh lose this they should fold
Errigal Ciaran III V Cookstown III Having learned nothing from last years fiasco Errigal "shits" as their affectionately known line out with a full forward line of P. Canavan D.Canavan R.Canavan (Errigal win)
Prelim Winner 2 Stewartstown V Omagh Stewartstown win comfortably in this
Prelim Winner 3 (Augher) V Prelim Winner 1 (Fintona) Fintona will beat Augher


Ill revisit at the time and either gloat or eat my comeuppance

What a load of rubbish

[Goals_Will_Come]

What is the plan for senior football now? 29th May? Would be latest start to a season ever. Madness.

Think going forward from next year club senior football needs to start regardless of Tyrone U-20s. County Board needs to show leadership on this issue.

I can't understand the grief the county board gets about this, it is the county committee made up of all club delegates that decided no club ball until U20"s are over, certain clubs refuse to play without their U20's, the CB can't overrule the wishes of the clubs at county committee level. It is these clubs that need to be held accountable or else the full league set up needs changed, the county board put options to clubs about this but proposed changes got shot down. It looks like senior league won't start until 5th June

I can see both sides but id have to imagine its a very finite number of clubs affected by the players they're missing so it has to be oldfashionedness etc. keeping the change from coming from the masses.

The grief however is much easier to figure out when you consider that for a few weeks teams are expected to play 2 games a week for a number of weeks. With the latest start ever now proposed this will only be worse than ever.

Wasnt all this change for player welfare? I know in our own club its impossible to get even the club physio when it gets to this time of year as lads are being flogged with games after having trained for 8-9 months and then trying to balance work/games/rehab particularly in that busy spell is very difficult.

But with all this said at least poor little Ardboe dont have to play their early league fixtures without 2/3young boys. Im being sarcastic here and using Ardboe as an example but the point stands. A proper restructure is needed

When I looked at the proposals at the end of last year regarding the restructuring of the leagues to decouple Senior and 2nds football it was apparent that we are putting the wrong people in post to come up with these plans. People will vote for 4game leagues etc because they want any kind of change. but the right change isn't being put onto paper for voting.
 

Round 2 & 3 will be played on Friday 12th and Sunday 14th and then one more double game week at a later stage. That concludes the leagues for first week in September including July break. Hardly that excessive when you actually look at it.

[thebigfullforward]

James Mulgrew from Kildress has also featured.

Would he have played any club minor at all this season?

No, I dont think him or Peter Colton have played a minor club game this year which isn't right in my view.

A few others in the same boat. Harsh on a lad to not be getting any game time because he's too good

[Mikhailov]

What is the plan for senior football now? 29th May? Would be latest start to a season ever. Madness.

Think going forward from next year club senior football needs to start regardless of Tyrone U-20s. County Board needs to show leadership on this issue.

I can't understand the grief the county board gets about this, it is the county committee made up of all club delegates that decided no club ball until U20"s are over, certain clubs refuse to play without their U20's, the CB can't overrule the wishes of the clubs at county committee level. It is these clubs that need to be held accountable or else the full league set up needs changed, the county board put options to clubs about this but proposed changes got shot down. It looks like senior league won't start until 5th June

I can see both sides but id have to imagine its a very finite number of clubs affected by the players they're missing so it has to be oldfashionedness etc. keeping the change from coming from the masses.

The grief however is much easier to figure out when you consider that for a few weeks teams are expected to play 2 games a week for a number of weeks. With the latest start ever now proposed this will only be worse than ever.

Wasnt all this change for player welfare? I know in our own club its impossible to get even the club physio when it gets to this time of year as lads are being flogged with games after having trained for 8-9 months and then trying to balance work/games/rehab particularly in that busy spell is very difficult.

But with all this said at least poor little Ardboe dont have to play their early league fixtures without 2/3young boys. Im being sarcastic here and using Ardboe as an example but the point stands. A proper restructure is needed

When I looked at the proposals at the end of last year regarding the restructuring of the leagues to decouple Senior and 2nds football it was apparent that we are putting the wrong people in post to come up with these plans. People will vote for 4game leagues etc because they want any kind of change. but the right change isn't being put onto paper for voting.
 

Round 2 & 3 will be played on Friday 12th and Sunday 14th and then one more double game week at a later stage. That concludes the leagues for first week in September including July break. Hardly that excessive when you actually look at it.

Madness to start like that. No games for 8 months then 3 games in 9 days.

Would it not make more sense to go Friday 5th, Friday 12, Wednesday 17, Sunday 21 then back to Fridays again. That way we would have 6 played before the holiday break

So the ordinary club player gets a brutal schedule of games fired at them as usual. None of our county managers would let their teams play twice in 48 hours but the county board expect the club player to do it

Surely spread the games out to midweek rather than 2 over a weekend is the more logical thing to do.

In addition to this, Tyrone's 2nd fixture in the championship (irrespective if they win or lose their first one) is down for 13/14th June

[Walter White]

I have a solution that I think works, but is a fair change to how we operate now.

Leagues start the week after St. Patrick's Day every year (Sundays for the first while until light allows us to move to Fridays around May). Every game is for 2points and every team plays on regardless of Tyrone representation across U20, Senior or Hurling. See a rough schedule below. After the 15 games, the leagues are split in half (similar to how some counties e.g. Antrim, do it and similar to the Scottish Premiership).

Restart after the July break into two groups of 8, and play 7 games to determine who wins the league/gets promoted and relegated, playing with full squads against similarly situated teams.

Suggested Schedule (based on this year)

22nd March - Round 1
29th March - Round 2
5th April - Skip for Easter
12th April - Round 3
19th April - Round 4
26th April - Round 5
1st May (Move to Fridays) - Round 6
8th May - Round 7
15th May - Round 8
22nd May - Round 9
29th May - Round 10
5th June - Round 11
12th June - Round 12
19th June - Round 13
26th June - Round 14
3rd July - Round 15

Break for 3 weeks (Injury recovery and allow Inter-county players to rejoin). All Ireland Final also on 19th July. From here, top 8 in each league play against each other, whilst bottom half play against each other at full strength (also 2points per game). Reset the league tables at this point. All teams start from here on 0.

24th July - Split Round 1
31st July - Round 2
7th Aug - Round 3
14th Aug - Round 4
21st Aug - Round 5
28th Aug - Round 6
4th Sept - Round 7 - League winners crowned/promoted where applicable. Bottom 2 relegated (unless win the C'ship). Championship winner (or league runner up) promoted as normal. No playoffs.

Championship begins on Sept 18th. The above has no double weeks, so the odd double week with a Wednesday game could buy another week of time for C'ship if needed.

This allows all club players a chance to have a definitive season. They get 22 games with a good break (all teams are training and playing friendlies at the minute instead regardless). The first 15 games allow a team to simply try to get into the top 8, so no real jeopardy of missing county men. Then, with the split, the best team should win and the weakest relegated.

Seems a way to fill the year with football and ensure players aren't training for 6-7months before playing competitive football, whilst removing this impasse between county and club.

[Jimbop]

I have a solution that I think works, but is a fair change to how we operate now.

Leagues start the week after St. Patrick's Day every year (Sundays for the first while until light allows us to move to Fridays around May). Every game is for 2points and every team plays on regardless of Tyrone representation across U20, Senior or Hurling. See a rough schedule below. After the 15 games, the leagues are split in half (similar to how some counties e.g. Antrim, do it and similar to the Scottish Premiership).

Restart after the July break into two groups of 8, and play 7 games to determine who wins the league/gets promoted and relegated, playing with full squads against similarly situated teams.

Suggested Schedule (based on this year)

22nd March - Round 1
29th March - Round 2
5th April - Skip for Easter
12th April - Round 3
19th April - Round 4
26th April - Round 5
1st May (Move to Fridays) - Round 6
8th May - Round 7
15th May - Round 8
22nd May - Round 9
29th May - Round 10
5th June - Round 11
12th June - Round 12
19th June - Round 13
26th June - Round 14
3rd July - Round 15

Break for 3 weeks (Injury recovery and allow Inter-county players to rejoin). All Ireland Final also on 19th July. From here, top 8 in each league play against each other, whilst bottom half play against each other at full strength (also 2points per game). Reset the league tables at this point. All teams start from here on 0.

24th July - Split Round 1
31st July - Round 2
7th Aug - Round 3
14th Aug - Round 4
21st Aug - Round 5
28th Aug - Round 6
4th Sept - Round 7 - League winners crowned/promoted where applicable. Bottom 2 relegated (unless win the C'ship). Championship winner (or league runner up) promoted as normal. No playoffs.

Championship begins on Sept 18th. The above has no double weeks, so the odd double week with a Wednesday game could buy another week of time for C'ship if needed.

This allows all club players a chance to have a definitive season. They get 22 games with a good break (all teams are training and playing friendlies at the minute instead regardless). The first 15 games allow a team to simply try to get into the top 8, so no real jeopardy of missing county men. Then, with the split, the best team should win and the weakest relegated.

Seems a way to fill the year with football and ensure players aren't training for 6-7months before playing competitive football, whilst removing this impasse between county and club.

Have to say this is a brilliant idea, been saying for a long time that not enough competitive clubs matches when compared to other sports. This could be a fair solution.

[God14]

Walter, i like it!

[Jerome]

Would it not lead to a lot of dead rubber games very early on?

[God14]

Would it not lead to a lot of dead rubber games very early on?

Surely better than no games at all to June!

Develope your squad with more playing time for fringe players

Incentive to make the top half prior to the cut

[Goals_Will_Come]

The only reason for the June start is because the Leinster U20 championship ran out of sync and caused a delay elsewhere.
I think Tyrone's league season has been fine throwing in Mid-Late May the last few seasons. Players would rather play in May June July August September. I don't see the clamour to get the leagues going in April, it actually would have been a disaster this season due to the weather and condition of pitches.
I would keep the May start date.

[W.A.G. Lover]

Any word when ccc are meeting to agree a fixture plan? Surely now we know T20 final is on 30th May and ACL start date confirmed as 5th June, the least we can expect is a fixture plan so lads can plan accordingly for a hectic summer.

[Jerome]

Any word when ccc are meeting to agree a fixture plan? Surely now we know T20 final is on 30th May and ACL start date confirmed as 5th June, the least we can expect is a fixture plan so lads can plan accordingly for a hectic summer.

It has been confirmed. 5th June. Then following weekend is a double weekend, Friday and Sunday.

[Mikhailov]

Any word when ccc are meeting to agree a fixture plan? Surely now we know T20 final is on 30th May and ACL start date confirmed as 5th June, the least we can expect is a fixture plan so lads can plan accordingly for a hectic summer.

It has been confirmed. 5th June. Then following weekend is a double weekend, Friday and Sunday.

That may not happen on that following Sunday. Tyrone are due to play that day in the second round of the championship irrespective if they win this Sunday or not