A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

Started by winghalfback, May 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM

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bennydorano

A lot of unpalatable issues will have to be accommodated in any New Ireland, new flag, anthem, constitution, police force, courts, public sector, judiciary. I have said it numerous times but I'm not so sure the ROI citizenry will vote for a UI when the time comes because of the reality of the change it will bring.

DaleCooper

People understand the point its just poorly made, some would say borderline offensive to draw a comparison.

He just cant keep his beak shut, trying to appear like some sort of statesman.

ranch

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 17, 2026, 12:05:49 PM2 organisations are poles apart. GAA at grass roots the best sporting organisation on the planet.

Ah, here we go again.

Wildweasel74

#4833
My dad who lived down south for yrs, said when they realise the change required down south, for a United Ireland,they end up voting against it.

weareros

Is there a poll coming in BelTel tomorrow? They usually do in Feb but looks like Suzanne Breen will have some sort of LucidTalk analysis tomorrow, or will it just be party polling?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2026, 06:04:52 PMMy dad who lived down south for yrs, said when they realise the change required down south, for a United Ireland,they end up voting against it.
The south doesn't get a vote

dec

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 17, 2026, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2026, 06:04:52 PMMy dad who lived down south for yrs, said when they realise the change required down south, for a United Ireland,they end up voting against it.
The south doesn't get a vote
"it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;"

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: dec on April 17, 2026, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 17, 2026, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2026, 06:04:52 PMMy dad who lived down south for yrs, said when they realise the change required down south, for a United Ireland,they end up voting against it.
The south doesn't get a vote
"it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;"
That was the GFA itself.

Articles 2 and 3 are clear. The GFA states the 6 counties decide their constitutional position.

Or put another way, in the unlikely scenario that the 6 vote for reunification and the south doesn't, what happens? We don't have a veto.

Rossfan

Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Rossfan on April 17, 2026, 09:01:49 PMTakes 2 to have a wedding!
There may be a real politick reason for a vote in the south, but there is no legal or constitutional requirement. Having a non binding referendum that they would have to ignore if it goes one way is a legal minefield

dec

#4840
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 17, 2026, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: dec on April 17, 2026, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 17, 2026, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2026, 06:04:52 PMMy dad who lived down south for yrs, said when they realise the change required down south, for a United Ireland,they end up voting against it.
The south doesn't get a vote
"it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;"
That was the GFA itself.

Articles 2 and 3 are clear. The GFA states the 6 counties decide their constitutional position.

Or put another way, in the unlikely scenario that the 6 vote for reunification and the south doesn't, what happens? We don't have a veto.
"by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment,"

-- also
"recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island."

Baile Brigín 2

Again. That is the Good Friday Agreement talking about the Good Friday Agreement.


Milltown Row2

Doesn't like GAA and hates the Nordies  ;D

West Brit
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2026, 10:36:43 PMDoesn't like GAA and hates the Nordies  ;D

West Brit
The grownups are talking, pipe down.

Milltown Row2

Yes, you are a grownup who is on a GAA board who hates the GAA  ;D

Your insight on the GF agreement is remarkable
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.