NFL Division 1

[Wildweasel74]

Kerry with No Geaneys, Cliffords or D O'Connor. G White. Best time to get them in the league is early on.

[armaghniac]

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage

In the Armagh case, this should not have been a breach at all. The player's intention was to tell the manager he needed to go off, not proceed toward the opposition goal, he was not interfering with play, interfering with an opponent or gaining an advantage (unless you count being substituted as an advantage).

[square_ball]

Yes what's been said has been wrong.

As stupid as it is. Deliberate breaches are frees from half way line  Accidental breaches are 20m frees that can be taken outside.

2.14 During play, a team must have at least four players (which may include the goalkeeper) in their half of the
field and at least three outfield players in the opposition half of the field.

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage


4.35 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) in the act of carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball, or attempting to do so.
Penalty
Free kick from the place where the player crossed the halfway line.

4.36 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) other than in the circumstances outlined in Rule 4.35.
Penalty
Free kick from the centre point of the offending team's 20m line. However, the opponents of the team conceding the
foul may take a free kick from any point outside the 40m arc.

McGeeney was arguing afterwards saying exception b with rule 2.14 applied in the Joe McElroy thing so if that was the case then there should have been no punishment?

[Wildweasel74]

The advantage rule got confusing to me, has it changed from the club championship? There more than a few delays there with men lying on a ball or not handing it back, but no 50m infringements. Also on the play on, the man seems to getting tackled alot earlier on the advantage, and players blocking the run out with the ball.

[David McKeown]

Yes what's been said has been wrong.

As stupid as it is. Deliberate breaches are frees from half way line  Accidental breaches are 20m frees that can be taken outside.

2.14 During play, a team must have at least four players (which may include the goalkeeper) in their half of the
field and at least three outfield players in the opposition half of the field.

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage


4.35 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) in the act of carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball, or attempting to do so.
Penalty
Free kick from the place where the player crossed the halfway line.

4.36 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) other than in the circumstances outlined in Rule 4.35.
Penalty
Free kick from the centre point of the offending team's 20m line. However, the opponents of the team conceding the
foul may take a free kick from any point outside the 40m arc.

McGeeney was arguing afterwards saying exception b with rule 2.14 applied in the Joe McElroy thing so if that was the case then there should have been no punishment?

The exception is all of them not one of them but if they all apply then yes no punishment.

[gallsman]

Watching the goal O'Connor came from behind the Keeper. Had be in the square b4 it was kicked.

You are obsessed with square balls.

[Armagh18]

Keeper got a touch on that 2 pointer no?

Doesn't matter anymore that rule gone

[tonto1888]

Hard to concede three goals against a team like Galway and still be in the game.  Armagh have a lot to work on in that regard. No one to blame but themselves in not winning last night,

On the referee I thought he was spectacularly inconsistent I could understand why the black card might have been yellow but how was the yellow a minute later not black?

On the last free I would need to see it again but it looked to me like Cassidy had the hand up indicating an advantage, if he did then the free shouldn't have been moved if he didn't then it was brainless from McQuillan hopefully he will learn.

As for the breach offence that lead to the goal, as stupid as the rule is I think that was by rule the correct decision.  McElroy was not carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball or attempting to do so therefore the 20m free is the punishment.  That said I will make 2 points about that.  Firstly it is far too severe a punishment for the offence and as seen last night has the potential to change games for innocuous offence.  Secondly Armagh  scored a point in the first half during a clear Galway breach why weren't they offered a choice of a 20m free or a 2 point free.  The advantage rule needs looked at in that regard.

So whilst I thought Cassidy wasn't good last night and isn't a great ref I wouldn't blame the defeat on him.

As I understand it Creally and McCambridge are back training and McKay and McMullen will be back for later stages of league/start of championship.  All will be needed I feel as Armagh whilst still in the second or third group of teams have a difficult season ahead of them.

Finally and not to go back to it again but with the exception of the solo and go I do not like the new rules at all.  I think they take away from many of the skills of the game.  I think they devalue great scoring and I think they do not reward better teams who dominate games for long periods (not a reference to last night).  I also think they are very hard to follow if you are at the games.   

The ref didn't cost us the game but the breach call on Joe was the wrong decision apparently. Admittedly I didn't see it. It going by what has been said since it was. At worst a free form had way

Couldn't have been a free from the half way line. It was either not a breach or it was the correct decision. Frees from the half way line are only for deliberate breaches.

Only going by what is been said afterwards but if he's not interfering it should have been from the half way
A free from half way for a deliberate breech doesn't make sense

Yes what's been said has been wrong.

As stupid as it is. Deliberate breaches are frees from half way line  Accidental breaches are 20m frees that can be taken outside.

2.14 During play, a team must have at least four players (which may include the goalkeeper) in their half of the
field and at least three outfield players in the opposition half of the field.

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage


4.35 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) in the act of carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball, or attempting to do so.
Penalty
Free kick from the place where the player crossed the halfway line.

4.36 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) other than in the circumstances outlined in Rule 4.35.
Penalty
Free kick from the centre point of the offending team's 20m line. However, the opponents of the team conceding the
foul may take a free kick from any point outside the 40m arc.

Thy Makes no sense whatsoever
However, going by the exceptions the breach against McIlroy should not have been given if what geezer said was correct

[Blowitupref]

Result Roscommon 3-16 Monaghan 1-16

[Wildweasel74]

Not obessessed but Square ball never called anymore,there been a few goals last yr were def square balls

[armaghniac]

Kerry with No Geaneys, Cliffords or D O'Connor. G White. Best time to get them in the league is early on.

Whereas Donegal eased up in the league last year to concentrate on Ulster.

[David McKeown]

Hard to concede three goals against a team like Galway and still be in the game.  Armagh have a lot to work on in that regard. No one to blame but themselves in not winning last night,

On the referee I thought he was spectacularly inconsistent I could understand why the black card might have been yellow but how was the yellow a minute later not black?

On the last free I would need to see it again but it looked to me like Cassidy had the hand up indicating an advantage, if he did then the free shouldn't have been moved if he didn't then it was brainless from McQuillan hopefully he will learn.

As for the breach offence that lead to the goal, as stupid as the rule is I think that was by rule the correct decision.  McElroy was not carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball or attempting to do so therefore the 20m free is the punishment.  That said I will make 2 points about that.  Firstly it is far too severe a punishment for the offence and as seen last night has the potential to change games for innocuous offence.  Secondly Armagh  scored a point in the first half during a clear Galway breach why weren't they offered a choice of a 20m free or a 2 point free.  The advantage rule needs looked at in that regard.

So whilst I thought Cassidy wasn't good last night and isn't a great ref I wouldn't blame the defeat on him.

As I understand it Creally and McCambridge are back training and McKay and McMullen will be back for later stages of league/start of championship.  All will be needed I feel as Armagh whilst still in the second or third group of teams have a difficult season ahead of them.

Finally and not to go back to it again but with the exception of the solo and go I do not like the new rules at all.  I think they take away from many of the skills of the game.  I think they devalue great scoring and I think they do not reward better teams who dominate games for long periods (not a reference to last night).  I also think they are very hard to follow if you are at the games.   

The ref didn't cost us the game but the breach call on Joe was the wrong decision apparently. Admittedly I didn't see it. It going by what has been said since it was. At worst a free form had way

Couldn't have been a free from the half way line. It was either not a breach or it was the correct decision. Frees from the half way line are only for deliberate breaches.

Only going by what is been said afterwards but if he's not interfering it should have been from the half way
A free from half way for a deliberate breech doesn't make sense

Yes what's been said has been wrong.

As stupid as it is. Deliberate breaches are frees from half way line  Accidental breaches are 20m frees that can be taken outside.

2.14 During play, a team must have at least four players (which may include the goalkeeper) in their half of the
field and at least three outfield players in the opposition half of the field.

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage


4.35 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) in the act of carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball, or attempting to do so.
Penalty
Free kick from the place where the player crossed the halfway line.

4.36 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) other than in the circumstances outlined in Rule 4.35.
Penalty
Free kick from the centre point of the offending team's 20m line. However, the opponents of the team conceding the
foul may take a free kick from any point outside the 40m arc.

Thy Makes no sense whatsoever
However, going by the exceptions the breach against McIlroy should not have been given if what geezer said was correct

Possibly but I'd need to see exactly where he was and whether it was intentional or not. I'd imagine it was.

[David McKeown]

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach
(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the halfway line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage

In the Armagh case, this should not have been a breach at all. The player's intention was to tell the manager he needed to go off, not proceed toward the opposition goal, he was not interfering with play, interfering with an opponent or gaining an advantage (unless you count being substituted as an advantage).

You've missed one and if his intention is to cross the half way line to do that as opposed to shouting it or signalling it then I think is a breach. Albeit it shouldn't be but that would require a rule change.

[thewobbler]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

[Armagh18]

It is of course difficult not to get angry with refereeing decisions in tight games.

But when your keeper has fluffed two goals, and your forwards kicked a dozen shots wide/short that we'd expect under-16 forwards to convert, making a big deal out of a single refereeing  decision is just daft.

The referee did not cost Armagh the game. Just repeat it a few times Geezer. Then regroup.

Refs need called out more on basic errors for sure. But it didn't cost us the game, had it in our own hands and made a balls of it.