NFL Division 1

[Rossfan]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

It  had just left his hands. Hadn't reached  the goals though.

It was in flight. Game ends when ball lands.

If ye want changes to the hooter rule ye'd better get motions into the Congress as FRC is dissolved.

Proud of our lads today but sickened by a Ref not giving a foul for a push on Senan Lambe before he busted himself to give Kerry one.
Looks like Kerry's first goal was a square ball.

[Captain Obvious]

Watching the highlights you couldn't get a more square ball decision on that first Kerry goal yet officials ignored it. Penalty Kerry got looked very soft also.

The new rules are taylor made for them and now they also need such dubious calls to go their way to overcome Roscommon at home?

[Main Street]

1.Kerry
2.Mayo
3.Donegal
4.Armagh
5.Monaghan
6.Galway
7.Dublin
8.Roscommon

I know Jack loves to do well in the league but I think a mid table finish would do fine for Kerry this year. I don't see us in top 2 with all the lads rehabbing or injured. Won't have Dingle or Gaeltacht cohort for first month or more either.

So there's going to be some players getting thrown in - some will cope, some won't. I'd be surprised if we got a result away to Donegal or Dublin but once the likes of Tom O'Sullivan, Brian O'Beaglaioch and Paudie return then we should have enough to make a decent shape for the last 3 games.

Kerry had a holiday early this year. By all accounts they trained everyday and very little alcohol was taken on trip. Kerry will win the next 3/4 All Irelands with lack of quality opposition.

Pretty sure people were saying the same thing after 2009.

Then Kinnelly went back to Oz. Galvin aged overnight. O'Sullivan got injury prone. And things got wide open for a few years.

It's Kennelly, however Kerry people do pronounce it Kinnelly,  seeing as I do know this  as I am a Kennelly, pronounced Ken elly

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

1.Kerry
2.Mayo
3.Donegal
4.Armagh
5.Monaghan
6.Galway
7.Dublin
8.Roscommon

I know Jack loves to do well in the league but I think a mid table finish would do fine for Kerry this year. I don't see us in top 2 with all the lads rehabbing or injured. Won't have Dingle or Gaeltacht cohort for first month or more either.

So there's going to be some players getting thrown in - some will cope, some won't. I'd be surprised if we got a result away to Donegal or Dublin but once the likes of Tom O'Sullivan, Brian O'Beaglaioch and Paudie return then we should have enough to make a decent shape for the last 3 games.

Kerry had a holiday early this year. By all accounts they trained everyday and very little alcohol was taken on trip. Kerry will win the next 3/4 All Irelands with lack of quality opposition.

That is absolute nonsense I can tell you anyway! I met a few of the players when they returned and they were absolutely pickled. They were at an all inclusive resort in Mexico as I recall being told and did very little training at all.

Anyway, rustiness today and very lucky to get the win. Draw would've been fair. Thought Ross were the better team in second half. Daire Cregg was outstanding. David Clifford and young Kennedy produced a couple of bits of magic when needed late on.

Kerry will need to go up several gears to get near Donegal next week but I'd expect Kerry won't be too worried if they hang on with a couple of wins and get the likes of Paudie, Gavin White, Begley etc back.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

It  had just left his hands. Hadn't reached  the goals though.

It was in flight. Game ends when ball lands.

If ye want changes to the hooter rule ye'd better get motions into the Congress as FRC is dissolved.

Proud of our lads today but sickened by a Ref not giving a foul for a push on Senan Lambe before he busted himself to give Kerry one.
Looks like Kerry's first goal was a square ball.

Kerry first goal looked like a clear square ball. How can umpires not see it 5m away?

Mike Breen 50m penaly, terrible decision.

Ross denied a couple of late frees on stand side that looked stonewall.

Good few fairly big bad calls made all round today to be fair. Refs as rusty as players perhaps but to me I'd love if more serious scrutiny of refs was done. Instead we get platitudes like Fitzmaurice saying "Cawley is one of the bes referees in the country" on League Sunday. Well he didn't look it today.

[Armagh18]

Good for Armagh to get up and running with a win and comfortable one at that however conceding 0-18 to such a patched up Monaghan team is a slight concern.

Who replaced mc Kay
And have we any news on him ?

Tomas McCormack who was excellent today but just isn't the same player as Aaron. Broken hand for McKay unfortunately

[blanketattack]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

There was nothing wrong with the rule as it was last year - it was clear, no confusion.
They meddled with it and have made it much worse.

Situations like the last score of the first half of the All-Ireland final put a lot of the GAA hierarchy off the old rule, Kerry had the ball for as long as they wanted without any pressure from Donegal before David Clifford scored.
Had other 1st half situations where a team turned over the attacking team before taking a couple of minutes to take a scoring attempt themselves.

Could have adapted it to just allow one last attack, if a team start just lateral passing without any urgency to attack, blow it up, ditto for a turnover.

[armaghniac]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

There was nothing wrong with the rule as it was last year - it was clear, no confusion.
They meddled with it and have made it much worse.

Situations like the last score of the first half of the All-Ireland final put a lot of the GAA hierarchy off the old rule, Kerry had the ball for as long as they wanted without any pressure from Donegal before David Clifford scored.
Had other 1st half situations where a team turned over the attacking team before taking a couple of minutes to take a scoring attempt themselves.

Could have adapted it to just allow one last attack, if a team start just lateral passing without any urgency to attack, blow it up, ditto for a turnover.

Lacking urgency is rather more difficult to define than the ball going dead.

[Tubberman]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

There was nothing wrong with the rule as it was last year - it was clear, no confusion.
They meddled with it and have made it much worse.

Situations like the last score of the first half of the All-Ireland final put a lot of the GAA hierarchy off the old rule, Kerry had the ball for as long as they wanted without any pressure from Donegal before David Clifford scored.
Had other 1st half situations where a team turned over the attacking team before taking a couple of minutes to take a scoring attempt themselves.

Could have adapted it to just allow one last attack, if a team start just lateral passing without any urgency to attack, blow it up, ditto for a turnover.

But that rule was unambiguous - when the ball went out of play, the game was over. Not much chance for controversy.

This new rule is a mess. You have a timekeeper in the stadium, possibly keeping different time than the stadium, and also different time than the TV if game is televised.
Then he has to sound the hooter, then the ref has to blow the whistle.
Much more opportunity for the mess we saw yesterday.

[tonto1888]

Good for Armagh to get up and running with a win and comfortable one at that however conceding 0-18 to such a patched up Monaghan team is a slight concern.

And on top of that ignominy, Armagh took an eternity to score a goal against a junior defense. Everybody in Armagh who got a little bit of pleasure out of that performance should take an ice cold shower

can only beat whats in fornt of you. If you cant take some sort of pleasure form any win then whats the point

[blanketattack]

Stadium clock is the real one.
The TG4 screen clock is simplyctheir best efforts to swith on/off.

When the hooter goes off is what matters. Was the ball in the hands of the Kerry forward as it went off or was it in the air?

Personally I'd ditch the hooter altogether and leave it in the hands of refs on what time to add on.

There was nothing wrong with the rule as it was last year - it was clear, no confusion.
They meddled with it and have made it much worse.

Situations like the last score of the first half of the All-Ireland final put a lot of the GAA hierarchy off the old rule, Kerry had the ball for as long as they wanted without any pressure from Donegal before David Clifford scored.
Had other 1st half situations where a team turned over the attacking team before taking a couple of minutes to take a scoring attempt themselves.

Could have adapted it to just allow one last attack, if a team start just lateral passing without any urgency to attack, blow it up, ditto for a turnover.

But that rule was unambiguous - when the ball went out of play, the game was over. Not much chance for controversy.

This new rule is a mess. You have a timekeeper in the stadium, possibly keeping different time than the stadium, and also different time than the TV if game is televised.
Then he has to sound the hooter, then the ref has to blow the whistle.
Much more opportunity for the mess we saw yesterday.

Didn't seem unambiguous for the Galway-Meath game and many other similar incidents.

[GoldCoastRossie]

I was very proud of the Rossie lads yesterday while I usually not one to moan at the referee, his performance yesterday was pitiful and I will be interested to see what other games he gets. I understand Dowd and the County Board not kicking up to much of a fuss as we are bound to get him again during the championship.

Its not just the hooter, it was his refereeing of the whole game and not the last 5 seconds that needs to be looked at.

If Roscommon get relegated by a point there will be a lot of regrets but then again Carey should of scored when he had the chance at the end.

[ElJeffe]

Crawley done Scotstown in the all Ireland semi final a few times so I guess he has to even it up against the Rossies

[Spiderlegs]

Good for Armagh to get up and running with a win and comfortable one at that however conceding 0-18 to such a patched up Monaghan team is a slight concern.

And on top of that ignominy, Armagh took an eternity to score a goal against a junior defense. Everybody in Armagh who got a little bit of pleasure out of that performance should take an ice cold shower

Ignominy    , think you just like to hear yourself pal.

Of course Armagh folk are happy with the 2 points and a professional performance.
The same folk are fully aware that Monaghan were missing a significant cohort of players.
Everyone should be fully aware that Armagh were also missing a significant number of players from the first 15/20/26 but were simply able to cope with it better due to squad depth.

There are bigger tests ahead for Armagh. Every man, woman, child and their dog knows this.

[GTP]

Don't think the hooter improves anything. But would any referee have blown up before the Kerry attack broke down or as was the case yesterday resulted in a score?