What does Iraq, Libya and Venezuela have in common?

Started by Casement, January 03, 2026, 10:03:59 AM

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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Sportacus on January 03, 2026, 03:20:19 PMIf you were in Greenland and hadn't been taking the Trump threats seriously, you would be now.
Exactly. Bombing the boats was MAGA seeing could they get away with it. They did. This is MAGA seeing can they get away with it. If they do...?

seafoid

@jasonhickel
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Bombing Venezuela while coordinating a genocide in Palestine while threatening to attack Iran (again) while destabillizing Somalia while carrying out a heist in the DRC... US imperialism is the greatest threat to peace and security in our world today and it's not even close.



Pete Buttigieg
@PeteButtigieg
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It's an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president - failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home - decides to launch a war for regime change abroad. The American people don't want to "run" a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one.

dec

Remarkably honest press conference from Trump and Hegseth.

"We are going to run the country"

"Getting back the oil that was stolen from us"

AustinPowers

Quote from: seafoid on January 03, 2026, 06:11:47 PM@jasonhickel
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Bombing Venezuela while coordinating a genocide in Palestine while threatening to attack Iran (again) while destabillizing Somalia while carrying out a heist in the DRC... US imperialism is the greatest threat to peace and security in our world today and it's not even close.



Pete Buttigieg
@PeteButtigieg
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It's an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president - failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home - decides to launch a war for regime change abroad. The American people don't want to "run" a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one.

The American people  don't want to do alot of  things. Their government, and  those funding/lobbying  them, do.

In the past, they at least tried to dress it up as  some sort of liberation for  X country's inhabitants.  With Trump , he  doesn't  even try to  hide what they're at.

gallsman

Quote from: dec on January 03, 2026, 06:25:46 PMRemarkably honest press conference from Trump and Hegseth.

"We are going to run the country"

"Getting back the oil that was stolen from us"

Marjorie Taylor Greene might find herself falling out of a window soon enough.

bennydorano

What happened the US's plan for their version of 'splendid isolation?'

Hand of God

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on January 03, 2026, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 12:02:33 PMThe same chaps who are all for Ukranian sovereignty have no care for Venezuela surprisingly.

Speaking of Ukraine, don't forget to hand in your homework over on the Russian Invasion thread.

You know, the discussion we were having that you so highly craved.

It's interesting not a word of condemnation from you about rogue terrorist attack from the West, another coup, another regime changes in a sovereign nation and you don't care.



Hand of God

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2026, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 12:02:33 PMThe same chaps who are all for Ukranian sovereignty have no care for Venezuela surprisingly.

f**king take a day off would ya?



Take a hike yourself. You shameless apologist for imperialism.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 07:15:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2026, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 12:02:33 PMThe same chaps who are all for Ukranian sovereignty have no care for Venezuela surprisingly.

f**king take a day off would ya?



Take a hike yourself. You shameless apologist for imperialism.

In other news, the amount of twats on here who change their names is embarrassing

Why bother?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

seafoid

https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/2007514574275362951

Chris Hedges
@ChrisLynnHedges
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The kidnapping of Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro and his wife solidifies America's role as a gangster state. Violence does not generate peace. It generates violence. The immolation of international and humanitarian law, as the U.S. and Israel have done in Gaza, and as took place in Caracas, generates a world without laws, a world of failed states, warlords, rogue imperial powers and perpetual violence and chaos. If there is one lesson we should have learned in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, it is that regime change spawns Frankensteinian monsters of our own creation. The Venezuelan military and security forces will no more accept the kidnapping of their president and U.S. domination — done as in Iraq to seize vast oil reserves — than the Iraqi security forces and military or the Taliban. This will not go well for anyone, including the U.

Hand of God

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2026, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 07:15:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2026, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on January 03, 2026, 12:02:33 PMThe same chaps who are all for Ukranian sovereignty have no care for Venezuela surprisingly.

f**king take a day off would ya?



Take a hike yourself. You shameless apologist for imperialism.

In other news, the amount of twats on here who change their names is embarrassing

Why bother?

You are a twat alright. A right f**king stupid one.


seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/43888865-8e3c-44fa-8901-54b8d21103f6

But regime change is a departure. As with Iraq, Trump's grounds for taking over Venezuela are manifold and shifting. On Iraq, Bush variously talked about seizing Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, his alleged links to al-Qaeda, spreading democracy to the Middle East and striking the axis of evil. On Venezuela, Trump has talked about a war on narco-terrorism, combating gang warfare on America's streets and retrieving what he describes as American territory and oil. Venezuela nationalised its foreign oil operations earlier this century. To those causes could be added the animus of his secretary of state Marco Rubio towards Cuba's communist regime. Cuba gets its oil from Venezuela and has thousands of paramilitary "advisers" stationed there. At more than 300bn barrels, Venezuela has the largest reserves in the world. For Cuba's regime, this moment could be existential. Two questions leap out. The first is whether Trump's appetite for military adventurism will continue to spread. He has advertised designs on Canada, Panama, Greenland and the Gaza Strip. On Saturday, he implied Mexico was also in his sights. "She's a good woman," Trump said of Mexico's president Claudia Sheinbaum. "But the cartels are running Mexico. She's not running Mexico . . . Something is going to have to be done with Mexico." Mexico, not Venezuela, supplies almost all of America's fentanyl. Trump on Saturday also warned Gustavo Petro, Columbia's leftwing president, to "watch his ass". Colombia, not Venezuela, supplies most of America's cocaine. The second question is how Trump plans to govern Venezuela. Should he be serious about running the country, US boots on the ground will be essential. Even if Trump thinks he can run the place by remote control, reality will intervene. The country is awash with weapons, militias and supporters of "Chavismo", the brand of thuggish Venezuelan socialism named after Maduro's predecessor. Should Russia, China or another adversary wish to bog Trump down in his own quagmire, they have an opportunity. At his Mar-a-Lago press conference on Saturday, Trump betrayed no concern about the scale and complexity of the task he has set himself. The priority, he kept insisting, would be to restore Venezuela's infrastructure so that it could start pumping oil to its full potential. The expanded flow of oil revenues would be used to compensate US oil companies and fund Venezuela's reconstruction. Quite how America's oil companies could accomplish this without heavy US military protection Trump did not specify. Either way, leaders in the western hemisphere and beyond will be sleeping less easily from now on. Trump is getting increasingly comfortable with the awesome firepower that he has at his disposal. The consequences of his disregard for both international and US constitutional law will take time to manifest. So too will the precise nature of how he plans to run Venezuela. Whatever way that pans out, Trump's new world order is now very much a reality. It consists of no obvious rules, does not respect allies, celebrates the jungle and is almost always about money. There is a lot of wealth under Venezuela's soil. Trump is now committed to extracting it. 

RedHand88

TLDR

Venezuelans look delighted. I'm happy for them.

Armagh18

General rule of thumb- if you aren't sure on an issue, look at what pedo Trump thinks about it- if you think the exact opposite then you'll most likely be right.