Things that make you go What the F**k?

[marty34]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

Wasn't it Caldwell  who repeatedly stopped any further  inquiry following the  autopsy findings? Makes me think Cresswell was  well connected . Lots of stalling in this case too. PSNI saying it costs to much time and money to  retrieve files etc, when  In reality, they were  found within minutes.

Caldwell, and a few other officers have since retired. The  thinking behind that seems to be if they were found  to be negligent in doing their jobs , their pensions would be affected, if dismissed. Get out early before the  truth gets out , they keep their pensions.

The whole thing stinks to the high heavens,  even before that  poor girl was murdered

Caldwell seemed like a celebrity cop.

A mess of a case. Poor girl.

[Armagh18]

That case of the young girl Lynch found dead last year down Monaghan direction doesn't make pretty reading either for the psni

Thats flew under the radar as well big time, whole thing stinks. Absolutely awful for the poor girls family.

[Truthsayer]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

[nrico2006]

That case of the young girl Lynch found dead last year down Monaghan direction doesn't make pretty reading either for the psni

It's the Garda in this instance.

[nrico2006]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

[Wildweasel74]

I know somebody into horse riding up there, who had come across Cresswell in her time, Big bully to woman ,was her wording,and the opinion on the few girls covering it up, was they should done jail, especially the one who washed his clothes. Also Caldwell knew someone from Cresswell family with apparent police background. I text her and get the correct jist, as i may have my wires crossed on a few things as she expained this to me last year.

[Jeepers Creepers]

I know somebody into horse riding up there, who had come across Cresswell in her time, Big bully to woman ,was her wording,and the opinion on the few girls covering it up, was they should done jail, especially the one who washed his clothes. Also Caldwell knew someone from Cresswell family with apparent police background. I text her and get the correct jist, as i may have my wires crossed on a fen things as she expained this to me lastcyeae.

A lot of rolled up trouser leg and secret handshakes in that world.

[David McKeown]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

[Truthsayer]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

[David McKeown]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

Every decision on bail will come down to its own facts as well as the human element of who the judge is but there's no policy in respect of bailing some and not bailing others.

England and Wales have even more stringent requirements to oppose bail with strict prosecution time limits which when missed make bail inevitable.

Even though it shouldn't be a factor availability of an address probably has the biggest impact on bail at the minute. I was reading earlier that apparently more than half of everyone in prison at the minute are remanded (ie had been refused bail) rather than sentenced.

[Truthsayer]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

Every decision on bail will come down to its own facts as well as the human element of who the judge is but there's no policy in respect of bailing some and not bailing others.

England and Wales have even more stringent requirements to oppose bail with strict prosecution time limits which when missed make bail inevitable.

Even though it shouldn't be a factor availability of an address probably has the biggest impact on bail at the minute. I was reading earlier that apparently more than half of everyone in prison at the minute are remanded (ie had been refused bail) rather than sentenced.

I hear you. I suppose the cases that seem incredulous that a person got bail stick in the mind. I remember at the time thinking it was crazy Cresswell got bail.. and so it came to pass.

[David McKeown]

I know this is probably abit late, but I can't wrap my head around this case. Completely bonkers. Was this creswell guy running some sort of a cult?

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/stark-similarities-between-jonathan-creswell-and-jimmy-savile/245020

Thought it very strange how this murder trial flew under the radar for so long (and that's before the full extent came out)

Bringing this back up as I watched the documentary that Sky done. It still is a shocking case and the cops handling of it was a disgrace. Had Creswells family connections within the police as it was being swept under the carpet from day one.
Would love to know who posted his bail and why was he even granted bail given his previous convictions.
That Robinson girl should have done time for what she did.

That's what gets me.. how in the fuc did he get bail? A previous for abuse of a woman and then a murder allegation. The judiciary seems to have no regard for women in cases of sexually and/or physically abused by men.. in this case murdered.

Never understood a murder accused getting bail when far lesser crimes don't mandate it.

The victims sister deserves an entry on this thread too.

The seriousness of the offence is not on its own a reason to refuse bail as that would strike at the heart of innocent until proven guilty.

Bail should only be refused on the basis of strictly construed criteria.

Namely risk of reoffending
Risk of flight
Risk of interests of justice.

It can be refused at a police station but not at court on the basis of ensuring the safety of the accused.

In theory risk of public disorder can also be a ground for refusal of bail but it's very high bar.

Seriousness of the offence may factor into some of those objections for example it might be argued that the risk of flight for someone facing a life sentence versus someone facing a 6 month sentence may be completely different but that's the extent of it. Or at least should be.

I've seen cases where police strongly object to bail.. for variety of reasons including persons a danger to women, evidence of crime 'compelling'... Magistrates no bail.. invariably rack up to the High Court ... bail granted.
Other cases (political) defendants practically interned for ages though that's a whole other debate maybe.

Every decision on bail will come down to its own facts as well as the human element of who the judge is but there's no policy in respect of bailing some and not bailing others.

England and Wales have even more stringent requirements to oppose bail with strict prosecution time limits which when missed make bail inevitable.

Even though it shouldn't be a factor availability of an address probably has the biggest impact on bail at the minute. I was reading earlier that apparently more than half of everyone in prison at the minute are remanded (ie had been refused bail) rather than sentenced.

I hear you. I suppose the cases that seem incredulous that a person got bail stick in the mind. I remember at the time thinking it was crazy Cresswell got bail.. and so it came to pass.

Yeah it's far from a perfect system but there is no perfect system and hindsight is always 20/20

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

A truly horrible story, poor girl.

BBC Sounds has a decent podcast on this. Former DCI John Caldwell gets a mention in it.

It would also be interesting to know the name of the politician who stuck their oar in. That party shouldn't get another vote in Foyle.

[armaghniac]

https://x.com/llandoniffirg/status/2006358356211253676

[Hereiam]

That case of the young girl Lynch found dead last year down Monaghan direction doesn't make pretty reading either for the psni

Thats flew under the radar as well big time, whole thing stinks. Absolutely awful for the poor girls family.

What's the story on this case, don't recall reading anything about it