Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/02/witkoff-kushner-meet-putin-moscow/

Russia is prepared to go to war with Europe, Vladimir Putin has declared, as he accused leaders from the Continent of trying to scupper his peace talks with the US.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:19:52 PMhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/02/witkoff-kushner-meet-putin-moscow/

Russia is prepared to go to war with Europe, Vladimir Putin has declared, as he accused leaders from the Continent of trying to scupper his peace talks with the US.
Whose side would Trump be on?!

armaghniac

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 02, 2025, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:19:52 PMhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/02/witkoff-kushner-meet-putin-moscow/

Russia is prepared to go to war with Europe, Vladimir Putin has declared, as he accused leaders from the Continent of trying to scupper his peace talks with the US.
Whose side would Trump be on?!

Or Catherine Connolly?
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.

Think it's a simple yes or no answer

So, try again
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

seafoid

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.

Think it's a simple yes or no answer

So, try again
House prices should be lower. A teacher or a nurse on a decent salary should be able to buy a house.

Genocide Organ

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.

Think it's a simple yes or no answer

So, try again
House prices should be lower. A teacher or a nurse on a decent salary should be able to buy a house.

House prices were unjustifiably high in 2007, so the answer is yes, house prices should be lower than 2007.

Armagh18

Quote from: armaghniac on December 02, 2025, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 02, 2025, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:19:52 PMhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/02/witkoff-kushner-meet-putin-moscow/

Russia is prepared to go to war with Europe, Vladimir Putin has declared, as he accused leaders from the Continent of trying to scupper his peace talks with the US.
Whose side would Trump be on?!

Or Catherine Connolly?
Probably neither given we're a neutral country..

seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2025, 10:24:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 02, 2025, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 02, 2025, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:19:52 PMhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/02/witkoff-kushner-meet-putin-moscow/

Russia is prepared to go to war with Europe, Vladimir Putin has declared, as he accused leaders from the Continent of trying to scupper his peace talks with the US.
Whose side would Trump be on?!

Or Catherine Connolly?
Probably neither given we're a neutral country..
There is no such thing as neutral with Putin. He would destroy the cables linking us to the US and Europe. We don't have the capacity to defend ourselves. The army and navy don't have the hardware.It's a joke.

https://www.ft.com/content/0b351091-3f82-4f2f-bef2-a52a35f009f2

Kaushal suggests that Irish waters are "a blind spot in the defensive architecture around the UK". A Royal Navy veteran is more blunt. "It would be very difficult for Russia to sever all the data flows into the UK because there are so many of them from so many directions. It'd be a lot easier to cut Ireland off," he says. Without taking the risk of directly targeting Britain, a Nato member, he suggests Moscow would still have achieved a "significant economic and social hit on a close friend


https://www.ft.com/content/4748d385-877b-40f3-a1ca-0b8ed5177658

Ireland is an island nation that did not have a navy until 1946, had run out of ships by 1969 and is now so under-resourced that only four of its eight vessels are in service. Lacking security infrastructure, it is also cut off from those who might seek to help: friendly Nato nations are unable to communicate a potential hazard, such as an incoming Russian vessel, because Ireland lacks the intelligence systems to receive classified information, three European naval officers have told the FT. Next year, such vulnerabilities will be on display. Ireland, which has just inaugurated a new president who is vocally opposed to increased militarisation, will host the rotating six-month EU presidency from July and a wider summit of European and Nato nations, known as the European Political Community. "We have big tech, big pharma, big data here in Ireland and that makes us a high value target," says Cathal Berry, a former second-in-command of the Irish army's special operations Army Ranger Wing, and a former legislator. "We're a member of the EU but we're not a member of Nato . . . If you wanted to squeeze the European Union, to strike at the European Union without any fear of Nato retaliation, then Ireland is ground zero." Ireland's location on the western fringe of Europe has long made it pivotal to global communications. The first transatlantic telegraph cable linked Ireland's Valentia Island with the Canadian island of Newfoundland in 1858.

seafoid

Quote from: Genocide Organ on December 02, 2025, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.

Think it's a simple yes or no answer

So, try again
House prices should be lower. A teacher or a nurse on a decent salary should be able to buy a house.

House prices were unjustifiably high in 2007, so the answer is yes, house prices should be lower than 2007.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/25/median-income-of-homebuyers-almost-60-more-than-the-average-wage/

The median income of a person who bought a home last year was €84,400, almost 60 per cent more than the average wage, new data from the Central Statistics Office shows.
The data shows the figure has been rising steadily in recent years, up from €80,100 in 2023 and €75,600 in 2022.
Strong repayment histories, together with regulatory safeguards such as the four times income cap, mean that most borrowers are not overstretching themselves. This balance has been key to maintaining stability despite tight supply."The report shows that the median income for sole purchasers is €55,100 compared to €101,200 for joint purchasers," he said. "This gap shows why buying alone is increasingly out of reach, particularly with limited supply and sustained price inflation.Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown had the highest joint purchaser income in 2024 at €157,100, while the lowest was Monaghan, at €77,900.
Longford was the county with the lowest median purchase price in 2024, at €182,200, while Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown had the highest median price, at €660,000.

Wildweasel74

Sure we had worry every day what Russia was up to in the 80's. Difference then was heavy US backing, Now the pres, is Putins Bum boy!

Main Street

#2470
PBP  statement at the time of Zelensky's Dail visit,

called "Putin's brutal invasion".

But it added 'that it had always rejected the idea of a military solution to this conflict and had opposed calls for military escalation'.


I take it that the super brains at PBP opine that defending your country from "Putin's brutal invasion" is a "military escalation"?
What else  do the PBP propose how a country can defend itself against such a "brutal invasion" other than by all military means at their disposal? And what do the PBP propose that Ukraine do instead of military action to defend itself against this "brutal invasion"?  sit down on the road holding sunflowers? or just surrender wholesale  to the demands of the "brutal invader"?
Possibly the PBP have the idea that the countries that support Ukraine should non-violently sanction the crap out of the "brutal invading" Russia, grab all their EU banked assets, block their floating potential toxic discharge  ships from sailing the oceans and do all within their means to scuttle Russia's economy in order to get them to back off Ukraine?

But will we ever know what the PBP actually have in mind to stop this "brutal invasion"?  What is this unspoken plan that the PBP have, apart from a vague bumper sticker slogan?

Hand of God

Quote from: Main Street on Today at 12:37:51 AMPBP  statement at the time of Zelensky's Dail visit,

called "Putin's brutal invasion".

But it added 'that it had always rejected the idea of a military solution to this conflict and had opposed calls for military escalation'.


I take it that the super brains at PBP opine that defending your country from "Putin's brutal invasion" is a "military escalation"?
What else  do the PBP propose how a country can defend itself against such a "brutal invasion" other than by all military means at their disposal? And what do the PBP propose that Ukraine do instead of military action to defend itself against this "brutal invasion"?  sit down on the road holding sunflowers? or just surrender wholesale  to the demands of the "brutal invader"?
Possibly the PBP have the idea that the countries that support Ukraine should non-violently sanction the crap out of the "brutal invading" Russia, grab all their EU banked assets, block their floating potential toxic discharge  ships from sailing the oceans and do all within their means to scuttle Russia's economy in order to get them to back off Ukraine?

But will we ever know what the PBP actually have in mind to stop this "brutal invasion"?  What is this unspoken plan that the PBP have, apart from a vague bumper sticker slogan?

It's an odd thing for you to contend. Here's a serious question that will seriously undermine your credibility and the point you make. The people in Irish politics who are fanatics for Ukrainian militarism, the journalists from the mainstream media who are fanatical for Ukrainian militarism were some of the biggest advocates for doing nothing during sectarian pogroms in the north. Indeed the leader in the 26 went on live TV during the last general election and wholly blamed the IRA for the trouble.

This is where people like you badly let yourselves down. Your past positions show your current stance on Ukraine to be a phony one. It's nothing to do with invasions or imperialism or freedoms, you just think the West has the right to rule the world.

It will be interesting to see how outraged you get about the forthcoming happenings in Venezuela. The yanks up to their usual tricks again and it's not the first time in Venezuela yet you'll still probably deny they played a major role in destabilizing Ukraine and setting the motions in play for a change to a Western aligned gov which they knew would provoke Russia.

People should be aware that what has happened in Ukraine is a proxy war between two imperialist superpowers - Russia and the US - who are fervently supported by the EU/UK. The Ukrainians are the unfortunate victims in it all.

It's incredible that people can say with very valid grounds that say the Russians are an imperialist superpower, who have a dictator who should be trialled in the Hague as leader and who have committed war crimes in Ukraine yet still be accused of being pro Russian all because you are critical of the West and the US involvement in creating and throwing accelerant on a war in Ukraine.

The level of shilling and smear neo libs get involved in to deflect the role of the West in this conflict is mind-blowing.

Milltown Row2

Two things can be right. Putin is a dictator and should be tried for war crimes and the US previous and current leaders should be tried for war crimes along with Tony Blair and co?

Why the defending on any part is beyond me
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Armagh18

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 09:25:47 AMTwo things can be right. Putin is a dictator and should be tried for war crimes and the US previous and current leaders should be tried for war crimes along with Tony Blair and co?

Why the defending on any part is beyond me
Spot on

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 09:25:47 AMTwo things can be right. Putin is a dictator and should be tried for war crimes and the US previous and current leaders should be tried for war crimes along with Tony Blair and co?

Why the defending on any part is beyond me

tankie