Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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seafoid

   

   https://www.ft.com/content/d4275d1d-5a7a-40e4-bc6f-6cba7b8b36cc

   For Zaki Laïdi, a French academic and former adviser to the EU's ex-foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, Trump's plan "represents a strategic defeat not only for Ukraine, but for all of Europe" whatever improvements they can extract from US officials.


Capricious Trump may be, Laidi writes for Project Syndicate, but on some issues he stands firm.

Among these is the conviction that Ukraine's wellbeing — and European security more broadly — is of limited importance to the US and should not be allowed to undermine its commercial interests or disrupt its relations with another great power.

The EU should have acted more decisively following Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 and is paying the price for its "torpor", he adds.

Claudia Major, vice-president for transatlantic security at the German Marshall Fund think-tank, agrees that the Trump initiative represents the return of great power politics with the Russians and Americans deciding what the Ukrainians, Europeans, EU and Nato have to do.

It also heralds the "de-Americanisation" of the Atlantic alliance, she tells me, with the US "moving from being an ally to a broker, maybe to a supporter of Russia. We don't know."

Europeans have no option but to try to keep America engaged, Major says, given their own security dependence. They would like to be able to shape the course of events in Ukraine and Europe more broadly, but "don't have the military tools to make a difference". Nearly four years after Russia's full-scale invasion, Europe still cannot alone arm Ukraine and cannot credibly guarantee the country's security longer term without US help.

Like other experts, Major laments the fact that Europe failed to anticipate Trump trying to impose a lopsided plan on Ukraine or to offer a clear alternative. As this piece in Le Monde explains, there was never an EU counterproposal, despite some media reports. There is no consensus about how hard to push back against the US and, Mayor says, no supporter wants to raise the issue of territorial concessions.

Main Street

The only treaty the Kremlin ever kept was the Hitler Stalin pact  where the  USSR joined in with Nazi Germany to start WW2, carve up Poland and invade the 3 Baltic states.
When things were going well for Germany in WW2 the USSR  begged to be accepted a member of the Axis powers but were rejected by Hitler.
The Hitler Stalin pact,  aka Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact is the only treaty the Kremlin kept their end of the bargain and they did so to the bitter end.




Genocide Organ

Quote from: Dag Dog on November 28, 2025, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 28, 2025, 02:56:37 PMGermany to seize back Silesia etc from Poland?
Trump and his fellow robber barons would bless it if there was money to be made.

Strange to see the "holier than thou" ones waving a flag for ethnic cleansing.

AustinPowers

Ireland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

jb77

Could build plenty over there, commute back and forth each week to work

Rossfan

Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?
About 350
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.

Armagh18

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
That'll get Casement built lol

AustinPowers

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.

I'm way  ahead of you  8)

Agre on the last bit though

Is this a compulsory donation because Ireland is a EU country , or just a random contribution?

Also , the money is towards  "non-lethal military support ". How does anyone know where that money is spend?  It's like giving money  to the kids for school lunch , and  saying "don't be spending that on  sweets.". Aye, sure I won't!  ::)

seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/3e72db0d-077c-4f48-a4a5-a2b8683dae53

Ukraine has opened a new line of attack against Russia by targeting ships in its so-called "shadow fleet" as US-led peace talks enter a pivotal phase, with Donald Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff due to meet Vladimir Putin in Moscow. Kyiv has acknowledged for the first time attacking "shadow fleet" oil tankers that Moscow has used to evade western sanctions since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, after naval drones hit two sanctioned vessels off Turkey's Black Sea coast on Friday. The attacks are part of Ukraine's escalating campaign to squeeze Moscow's energy revenues and reassure western partners of its continued striking power. Russian forces are slowly advancing in the Donetsk region, which Putin says Kyiv must cede before fighting can stop. "Targeting empty shadow-fleet tankers marks a deliberate extension of Ukraine's deep-strike logic from fixed Russian energy infrastructure to mobile elements of the oil-export system," said Konrad Muzyka, director of Rochan Consulting, a Polish analytical group monitoring the war.  The so-called shadow fleet consists of tankers with opaque ownership structures, complicating efforts by Kyiv's allies to act if they breach sanctions. Largely made up of older vessels, the fleet is a mixture of Russian-controlled ships and tankers owned by operators willing to take on riskier freight to benefit from higher rates.

seafoid

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

seafoid

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2025, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Should house prices be lower nearly 20 years on?
They should be affordable. Prices are much higher than in the North.
According to Google the average house price to salary ratio is 8 to 1 in the south and 4.6 to 1 in the north (7.7 in England).

armaghniac

Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 02, 2025, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2025, 06:28:40 PMIreland give 125 million to Ukraine?

What's this all  about?

How many  new build houses would 125 million build?

Put it on the side of a bus why don't you.

Ireland is projected to have a €100B sovereign wealth fund by 2035.

€125M is small potatoes.

If there is a housing shortage it ain't because of lack of funds.
What happened the last sovereign wealth fund? The housing market collapsed and the banks owed €65 billion. The sovereign wealth fund was liquidated on the order from Berlin and Paris.  It will happen again. House prices now are higher than in 2007.

Of course, the interests of people with money in those banks was important, notwithstanding Belin or Paris.
The solution is not to allow banks act as they did in 2005-2007.
House prices are higher than 2007 in some cases but salaries are one third higher now.
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again