Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2025

[Dreadnought]

No matter what way any of you spin it, no system is perfect. The fact we've lads coming in here telling us League is better, yet their county has relegated sides who did well in Senior the year before but go on League? Madness. You can't have this both ways, when a county goes on championship only which was how the GAA always did it.

I see far more issues with judging teams on leagues based on time of year, lesser competition, missing county players, than on Championship which at least we can be transparent on as players know it's the pinnacle and everyone available

[general_lee]

Will Cavan Cuchulainns give Clonoe a game? likely goin to Kilcoo game anyway,worth going early?

Couldn't see it, wouldn't bother going early

Yeah i expect to see Clonoe win pulling up

Alot of disrespect on this forum by the looks of it towards the Cavan champions.

Think they were 5/1 or so with bookies too.

To beat a seasoned Tyrone senior side in Clonoe who shouldn't be intermediate by right is massive.

A team that can finish 4th in Division 1 shouldn't be Intermediate either.

Any team playing Division 1 shouldn't be playing intermediate.

A new year, another year of you crying about Leagues and not understanding systems. They're an intermediate team. Deal with it. Stop crying every year

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I'll keep fishing you keep biting.
Refreshing to see two Division 1 clubs compete for the Ulster Intermediate title, I'm sure you'll agree.

Cúchulainns (top 5) and Glenullin (top 10) finishes in their respective Division 1 leagues. Glenullin multiple Derry IFC winners in the last 5 years. Like I say it's refreshing. 

[general_lee]

You can't have this both ways, when a county goes on championship only which was how the GAA always did it.

The GAA saw sense in 2023 and the All Ireland is based on league position. Although according to your logic top counties should be allowed to play Tailteann Cup

[Milltown Row2]

Why not have div 1 teams play senior championship, div2 play Intermediate and div 3 teams play Junior in the Ulster Championship and All Ireland series..

There is no stopping teams playing intermediate within their own counties but that will bar them from going into Ulster as/if they are Div 1 in their own county.. It may speed up a sensible approach across the board but wouldn't hold my breath

[Dreadnought]

Will Cavan Cuchulainns give Clonoe a game? likely goin to Kilcoo game anyway,worth going early?

Couldn't see it, wouldn't bother going early

Yeah i expect to see Clonoe win pulling up

Alot of disrespect on this forum by the looks of it towards the Cavan champions.

Think they were 5/1 or so with bookies too.

To beat a seasoned Tyrone senior side in Clonoe who shouldn't be intermediate by right is massive.

A team that can finish 4th in Division 1 shouldn't be Intermediate either.

Any team playing Division 1 shouldn't be playing intermediate.

A new year, another year of you crying about Leagues and not understanding systems. They're an intermediate team. Deal with it. Stop crying every year

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I'll keep fishing you keep biting.
Refreshing to see two Division 1 clubs compete for the Ulster Intermediate title, I'm sure you'll agree.

Cúchulainns (top 5) and Glenullin (top 10) finishes in their respective Division 1 leagues. Glenullin multiple Derry IFC winners in the last 5 years. Like I say it's refreshing. 

Stop crying.

Now do the teams who did well in Championship but were relegated in League and then did well in Ulster. If you're trying to bring any sort of balance to things. I'll wait

[Dreadnought]

You can't have this both ways, when a county goes on championship only which was how the GAA always did it.

The GAA saw sense in 2023 and the All Ireland is based on league position. Although according to your logic top counties should be allowed to play Tailteann Cup

It's not fully though. A Tailteann winner from year previous isn't. And 8 teams are based on Championship. So bulk of the 16 qualifying Sam teams are NOT based on League

[Dreadnought]

Why not have div 1 teams play senior championship, div2 play Intermediate and div 3 teams play Junior in the Ulster Championship and All Ireland series..

There is no stopping teams playing intermediate within their own counties but that will bar them from going into Ulster as/if they are Div 1 in their own county.. It may speed up a sensible approach across the board but wouldn't hold my breath

As a rebuttal, why not have counties have teams go up or down based on Championship, not League, so everyone is on one page? It's simply different systems. Most of us just get on with it. there's no perfect system as each county is too different on number of clubs, structure and so on. Each do what is best and it is what it is. You'll get an anomaly each year for varying reasons, and that will never be prevented

[general_lee]

Yes there will be anomalies every year, mainly from Cavan, Derry and Donegal.

[Dreadnought]

Yes there will be anomalies every year, mainly from Cavan, Derry and Donegal.

Sending a Champion based on actual Championship results is not an anomaly. If you'd engage the noggin instead, you'd see the League positions is the anomaly here, yet you cannot stop obsessing over Spring league games over Championship. How on earth you look at this and say, yes Championship is the anomaly. Honestly, grow up and dry up.

Can't answer for Derry or Donegal. Derry looks strange for Intermediate alright, but I don't know enough about it. But don't come swinging at Cavan when its Championship structures are as transparent as you can get. One up one down. Win your Championship you go forward, lose a relegation playoff you go down - it's that simple. What is the issue? There are far greater anomalies with teams relegated through league

[oakleaflad]

Yes there will be anomalies every year, mainly from Cavan, Derry and Donegal.

Sending a Champion based on actual Championship results is not an anomaly. If you'd engage the noggin instead, you'd see the League positions is the anomaly here, yet you cannot stop obsessing over Spring league games over Championship. How on earth you look at this and say, yes Championship is the anomaly. Honestly, grow up and dry up.

Can't answer for Derry or Donegal. Derry looks strange for Intermediate alright, but I don't know enough about it. But don't come swinging at Cavan when its Championship structures are as transparent as you can get. One up one down. Win your Championship you go forward - it's that simple. What is the issue? There are far greater anomalies with teams relegated through league

I've told that fella before we put nearly half our teams into the senior championship to give everyone else a chance but he wont listen 

[jb77]

Yes there will be anomalies every year, mainly from Cavan, Derry and Donegal.

Sending a Champion based on actual Championship results is not an anomaly. If you'd engage the noggin instead, you'd see the League positions is the anomaly here, yet you cannot stop obsessing over Spring league games over Championship. How on earth you look at this and say, yes Championship is the anomaly. Honestly, grow up and dry up.

Can't answer for Derry or Donegal. Derry looks strange for Intermediate alright, but I don't know enough about it. But don't come swinging at Cavan when its Championship structures are as transparent as you can get. One up one down. Win your Championship you go forward - it's that simple. What is the issue? There are far greater anomalies with teams relegated through league

I've told that fella before we put nearly half our teams into the senior championship to give everyone else a chance but he wont listen 

Loup etc had no business being in senior either, should send them all back down again

[general_lee]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

[Dreadnought]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Blah blah blah blah

You still won't listen. IT'S BASED ON CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

[Dreadnought]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Furthermore Arva got relegated to Junior in 2021, lost a Junior final in 2022. No matter what way you try and spin League results (obsessed) they deserved to be in Junior when they were there. All that happened was they got a few lads back from injury and emigration, a few youth and that's it. It's a tiny club really and not a big panel and your words here and saying cheating is pure filth against players who had to pull themselves up from there. You actually need to wise up here, years now after it. Just drop it now and stop

[bringbackdregish]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Blah blah blah blah

You still won't listen. IT'S BASED ON CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Cavan man gets annoyed because they have sandbaggers playing in lower divisions. Relax