Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Banks of the Bann]

Russians are simply murdering people. No military targets, just destroyed homes and shattered lives.

https://x.com/victoriaslog/status/1972166697508655225

https://x.com/victoriaslog/status/1972154159995686950

[Banks of the Bann]

Setback for the Kremlin and disappointment for western tankies as Moldovan elections results are in:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/29/moldova-election-result-boosts-move-towards-eu-away-from-moscow

[Milltown Row2]

Expect them to be invaded next

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/bb8608fc-f16b-4b48-a4df-6b4a9e1e108b

The EU has offered to use part of a proposed €140bn loan backed by Russia's frozen assets to buy US weapons for Ukraine, provided Washington keeps supporting Kyiv in defending itself against Russia

[Dag Dog]

https://www.ft.com/content/bb8608fc-f16b-4b48-a4df-6b4a9e1e108b

The EU has offered to use part of a proposed €140bn loan backed by Russia's frozen assets to buy US weapons for Ukraine, provided Washington keeps supporting Kyiv in defending itself against Russia

That explains why Catherine Connolly hates the EU....

[Banks of the Bann]

I always find it odd that the ones who are so vocal on Ukraine seem to be complete and utterly silent on Western imperialism.

As far as I can see Connolly has been vocal in her disapproval of Putin but she has taken a nuanced stance that Western imperialism and NATO expansion has unquestionably played a role in Russia's invasion. This is a view shared by the likes of Noam Chomsky and John Mearsheimer who are two extremely well respected historians and political commentators who were warning of the inveitability of this for decades if the West kept interfering in Ukranian politics and kept expanding NATO's borders.

It's full on Western propaganda, the same propaganda that seems to have overtaken every government in the Western world in relation to Israel. Keir Starmer wants a violent group of Islamophobic fascist hooligans to be given protection to march all over Birmingham this week. Micheal Martin went out to Israel to don the terrorist uniform of the IDF and take part in propaganda photoshoots and shake the hand of Netanyahu at a time the Israeli regime were bombing hospitals. He invited the Israeli ambassador, a truly disgusting bigoted racist and defender of genocide as a special to his parties Ard Fheis months laters as the genocide continued unabated. Fianna Fail and Fine Gael elected reps continue to be part of a Friends of Israel lobby and the MSM does not have an issue with any of the above but they will try and spread a smear campaign against Catherine Connolly because she opposes the Western Genocide machine.

If you look at the reality of it, the world is going far and far more right wing. Keir Starmer has brought the Labour Party increasingly right wing in the UK, Martin has pretty much turned FF into a more right wing version of FG in the south.

The only difference between the far right and FFG right now is just on issues such as trans rights, same sex marriages and abortion. Issues that really are not important to 90% of the people. The far right were never bothered with housing, health, cost of living, crime or any of these matters - its only migration that matters to them and anyone who believes that FFG are allowing massive amounts of refugees in on a human level is completely deluded. The only reason the FFG government is allowing the level of immigration in is because it is lucrative to a large amount of multi millionaires and billionaires.

The far right only stands to rise up in countries where governments have failed society. We are fed wall to wall propaganda in the media every day of our day of our lives - Russia, China and Iran are the bogeyman and the hope is that will give the West the cover to commit the heinous acts of warfare and imperialism it does, routinely.

Our great western world now have the second in command of ISIS in charge of Syria who is engaging in ethnic cleansing and they have no moral quibble with that at all.

1. I would ask..who are the ones who are so vocal on Ukraine that are silent on Western Imperialism? Are you referring to this board or real life? If real life, what size is this cohort?

2. You believe, like Catherine Connolly, that NATO 'expansion' has 'unquestionably' played a role in Russia's invasion. NATO 'expansion' only occurred because sovereign countries with democratically elected governments applied to join, on behalf of their electorate, so that they could be part of an alliance to defend their country from further aggression from Russia. Let's not forget, many of these countries were not liberated after WW2, the occupier merely changed. In the case of Ukraine, the imperial Russian aggression has lasted for centuries. (Ring a bell, any Irish patriots?)

3. NATO could never be a threat to Russia because Russia is nuclear armed. I've asked it again and again on this board of others holding your viewpoint, how does NATO attack Russia? They can't and they will never be able to. The west are even afraid to arm Ukraine with certain weapons because of Russian nuclear sabre-rattling. When is the big invasion to conquer Russia coming, 'Hand of God'?

4. John Mearsheimer and others like him are little better than 19th Century imperialist who prattle about their 'spheres of interest'. What they really mean is Russia should reserve the right to have the power to bully and harass and invade their neighbours as they please. Interesting to see his viewpoint  espoused by Irishmen masquerading as anti-imperialists.

5. Let's also put the tankie favourite to the sword once and for all as well. The 'what if Mexico' bullshit. If you want to draw an imaginary comparison then you have to do it right. So let's do it then, What if... The US had invaded Mexico hundreds of years ago. And all the other smaller countries in central America. Then threw an Iron Curtain around them. Forced a totalitarian and utterly shit system of government on them, deported millions of their citizens to frozen wastes in Alaska and worked them to death in camps. Starved millions of them to death in the 1930s. (Not that long ago). What if those countries finally gained independence in the 1990s and wanted to join a Chinese based defensive alliance to ensure it would never happen again. Guatemala et al managed to get in but the big bad US was getting more and more pissed off as it saw its ability to bully their neighbours disappear forever. Mexico wanted in too but the US launched a brutal invasion causing hundred of thousands of deaths.

What if...I'll tell you... Every single tankie hypocrite in Ireland and on the planet would be apoplectic and foaming at the mouth in their condemnation, and you wouldn't hear much about Tibet from them either for a bit of 'nuance'. The Catherine would have lots to say about it I would imagine.

[Hand of God]

I have no interest in defending Russia and Putin, they are accountable for their invasion and war crimes. I just think anyone who denies the role of the West and NATO expansion is not being honest.

I only wish to expose you for the right wing, genocidal propagandist you are. Your boys are aiding, financing and enabling a genocide in Palestine right now on a mass scale not comparable with Ukraine. Your boys support the bombing of hospitals, targeting of medical staff, teachers, journalists, aid workers. Your boys support imprisoning people in an open air prison, your boys support the starvation of a mass population, you support the degradation of a civilian population on ethnic ground. Your boys support the mutilation of kids and babies.

[Banks of the Bann]

I have no interest in defending Russia and Putin, they are accountable for their invasion and war crimes. I just think anyone who denies the role of the West and NATO expansion is not being honest.

I only wish to expose you for the right wing, genocidal propagandist you are. Your boys are aiding, financing and enabling a genocide in Palestine right now on a mass scale not comparable with Ukraine. Your boys support the bombing of hospitals, targeting of medical staff, teachers, journalists, aid workers. Your boys support imprisoning people in an open air prison, your boys support the starvation of a mass population, you support the degradation of a civilian population on ethnic ground. Your boys support the mutilation of kids and babies.

I've set out quite clearly how 'NATO expansion' as a threat to Russia and an excuse for their invasion is complete bullshit. You haven't attempted to refute a single point I've made because you are unable to.

1. How does NATO invade nuclear-armed Russia?

2. How are e.g. the Estonians warmongers for wanting to join an alliance to protect themselves against Russia?

3. How is the destruction in Ukraine not comparable to Gaza? You've not been paying attention. You mentioned 50x. How did you arrive at that figure?

4. Who are my boys? And how are they my boys?

5. If what I'm saying is 'genocidal propaganda' then feel free to refute it. It should be easy for you.

I'm going to guess you can't answer any of the above and will just repeat your assertions without anything to back it up. Heard it all before. The same drivel, over and over and over and over.

[Hand of God]

I have no interest in defending Russia and Putin, they are accountable for their invasion and war crimes. I just think anyone who denies the role of the West and NATO expansion is not being honest.

I only wish to expose you for the right wing, genocidal propagandist you are. Your boys are aiding, financing and enabling a genocide in Palestine right now on a mass scale not comparable with Ukraine. Your boys support the bombing of hospitals, targeting of medical staff, teachers, journalists, aid workers. Your boys support imprisoning people in an open air prison, your boys support the starvation of a mass population, you support the degradation of a civilian population on ethnic ground. Your boys support the mutilation of kids and babies.

I've set out quite clearly how 'NATO expansion' as a threat to Russia and an excuse for their invasion is complete bullshit. You haven't attempted to refute a single point I've made because you are unable to.

1. How does NATO invade nuclear-armed Russia?

2. How are e.g. the Estonians warmongers for wanting to join an alliance to protect themselves against Russia?

3. How is the destruction in Ukraine not comparable to Gaza? You've not been paying attention. You mentioned 50x. How did you arrive at that figure?

4. Who are my boys? And how are they my boys?

5. If what I'm saying is 'genocidal propaganda' then feel free to refute it. It should be easy for you.

I'm going to guess you can't answer any of the above and will just repeat your assertions without anything to back it up. Heard it all before. The same drivel, over and over and over and over.

You won't even address the genocide your boys are engaged in right now. That's how much an entho supremacist you are. Why is the West allowed to commit genocide without sanction. The difference between me and you is I believe people belong in the Hague for war crimes.

That's why I think Putin should be there, that's why I think Starmer, Trump, Obama, Bush, Blair, Schulz, Macron and  Von Der Leyen should all be there with him. You think Westeners are above the law and have the right to engage in genocide.

You won't address your hyporcrisies as you are merely a propagandist.

[Banks of the Bann]

I have no interest in defending Russia and Putin, they are accountable for their invasion and war crimes. I just think anyone who denies the role of the West and NATO expansion is not being honest.

I only wish to expose you for the right wing, genocidal propagandist you are. Your boys are aiding, financing and enabling a genocide in Palestine right now on a mass scale not comparable with Ukraine. Your boys support the bombing of hospitals, targeting of medical staff, teachers, journalists, aid workers. Your boys support imprisoning people in an open air prison, your boys support the starvation of a mass population, you support the degradation of a civilian population on ethnic ground. Your boys support the mutilation of kids and babies.

I've set out quite clearly how 'NATO expansion' as a threat to Russia and an excuse for their invasion is complete bullshit. You haven't attempted to refute a single point I've made because you are unable to.

1. How does NATO invade nuclear-armed Russia?

2. How are e.g. the Estonians warmongers for wanting to join an alliance to protect themselves against Russia?

3. How is the destruction in Ukraine not comparable to Gaza? You've not been paying attention. You mentioned 50x. How did you arrive at that figure?

4. Who are my boys? And how are they my boys?

5. If what I'm saying is 'genocidal propaganda' then feel free to refute it. It should be easy for you.

I'm going to guess you can't answer any of the above and will just repeat your assertions without anything to back it up. Heard it all before. The same drivel, over and over and over and over.

You won't even address the genocide your boys are engaged in right now. That's how much an entho supremacist you are. Why is the West allowed to commit genocide without sanction. The difference between me and you is I believe people belong in the Hague for war crimes.

That's why I think Putin should be there, that's why I think Starmer, Trump, Obama, Bush, Blair, Schulz, Macron and  Von Der Leyen should all be there with him. You think Westeners are above the law and have the right to engage in genocide.

You won't address your hyporcrisies as you are merely a propagandist.

I have no problems condemning wars and crimes committed by the west. Unlike you I won't spread their lies and excuses for their wars and call it 'nuance'.

Care to make an attempt at rebuttal of a single point I made about Russia and NATO?

If not, you're little other than noise. What is it they say about empty vessels?

[Hand of God]

I have no problems condemning wars and crimes committed by the west. Unlike you I won't spread their lies and excuses for their wars and call it 'nuance'.

Care to make an attempt at rebuttal of a single point I made about Russia and NATO?

If not, you're little other than noise. What is it they say about empty vessels?

Completely disingenuous and dishonest.

You are a propagandist, you are consumed by Ukraine but ambivalent on Palestine which is incredible. There is a huge correlation between those who support Ukraine and those who support Israel. Millions gather across European cities every week to protest against what is happening in Palestine, nobody really cares about Ukraine in that regard - why is that do you think? Why are there no mass marches in Dublin, Belfast, London, Paris Milan or Berlin for Ukraine like there are for Palestine for the civilian populations? Is everyone a tankie? Do people recognise that their Western leaders were complicit in sewing the seeds for the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Do people realise that their Western leaders are complicit in a genocide in Gaza? I think the answer to both is overwhelmingly yes which is why Palestine has so much more public support than the Ukraine. Palestine is cut and dry, Ukraine is more complex.

You support war criminals like Trump, like Blair, like Bush, like Biden, like Obama, like Hillary Clinton, like Schulz, like Von Der Leyen, like Macron, like Meloni, like Johnson, like Starmer, like Netanyahu. So just because you are against Putin who is also a war criminal doesn't give you credibility. It merely makes you a disingenuous hypocrite.

[Banks of the Bann]

I have no problems condemning wars and crimes committed by the west. Unlike you I won't spread their lies and excuses for their wars and call it 'nuance'.

Care to make an attempt at rebuttal of a single point I made about Russia and NATO?

If not, you're little other than noise. What is it they say about empty vessels?

Completely disingenuous and dishonest.

You are a propagandist, you are consumed by Ukraine but ambivalent on Palestine which is incredible. There is a huge correlation between those who support Ukraine and those who support Israel. Millions gather across European cities every week to protest against what is happening in Palestine, nobody really cares about Ukraine in that regard - why is that do you think? Why are there no mass marches in Dublin, Belfast, London, Paris Milan or Berlin for Ukraine like there are for Palestine for the civilian populations? Is everyone a tankie? Do people recognise that their Western leaders were complicit in sewing the seeds for the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Do people realise that their Western leaders are complicit in a genocide in Gaza? I think the answer to both is overwhelmingly yes which is why Palestine has so much more public support than the Ukraine. Palestine is cut and dry, Ukraine is more complex.

You support war criminals like Trump, like Blair, like Bush, like Biden, like Obama, like Hillary Clinton, like Schulz, like Von Der Leyen, like Macron, like Meloni, like Johnson, like Starmer, like Netanyahu. So just because you are against Putin who is also a war criminal doesn't give you credibility. It merely makes you a disingenuous hypocrite.

More waffle and noise. You can't support your assertions about NATO and Russia, so you just repeat them ad nauseam. Again and again, reminds me of someone who went a little bit mad on here a few months back and then disappeared completely. Remember him? The Mearsheimer Man, an absolute clown.

Ukraine is only complex to tankies like yourself because their brains are warped and easily manipulated by Russian propaganda. In their mind, Estonia is the warmonger, Latvia is the warmonger. The Russian Empire, their oppressor, is the victim. Sick and warped.

p.s. You won't find me ambivalent on Palestine, I'm on record on this forum calling it a genocide and calling Netanyahu a war criminal.

I'd also like to see your data on the correlation on Ukraine supporters also being supporters of Israel. Let's have it. Another assertion you can't back up?

Anyway, keep at it, you'll go back into full meltdown soon enough.

[Hand of God]

Yet you don't call Blair, Trump, Biden, Schulz, Meloni, Macron, Starmer, Obama, Von Der Leyen, Bush war criminals when they have the blood of millions of innocents dripping on their hand.

You have zero credibility. You are a supporter of genocide. Shame on you.

[Banks of the Bann]

Yet you don't call Blair, Trump, Biden, Schulz, Meloni, Macron, Starmer, Obama, Von Der Leyen, Bush war criminals when they have the blood of millions of innocents dripping on their hand.

You have zero credibility. You are a supporter of genocide. Shame on you.

He's back and he's angry folks and he still can't form a basic argument. And all these accusations flying from the man who couldn't bring himself to say a bad word about Bashar Al-Assad.

Anyone that aided the Israeli genocide has blood on their hands and should answer for it.

See how easy that was? I wouldn't lose a moments sleep if every single one of the above were locked up.

[Hand of God]

Yet you don't call Blair, Trump, Biden, Schulz, Meloni, Macron, Starmer, Obama, Von Der Leyen, Bush war criminals when they have the blood of millions of innocents dripping on their hand.

You have zero credibility. You are a supporter of genocide. Shame on you.

He's back and he's angry folks and he still can't form a basic argument. And all these accusations flying from the man who couldn't bring himself to say a bad word about Bashar Al-Assad.

Anyone that aided the Israeli genocide has blood on their hands and should answer for it.

See how easy that was? I wouldn't lose a moments sleep if every single one of the above were locked up.

I'm not angry. You're the guy who can't call Western leaders war criminals.

It's a simple question. Should Biden, Trump, Schulz, Starmer and Von Der Leyen be in the Hague? Yes or no.