Man Utd Thread:

[From the Bunker]

Burley lad cheated and got punished for it. End of.

[trileacman]

Amad loses the power of his legs when he gets to the box and ref gives penalty for "sustained" tug which clearly started outside the box, plus he was nowhere near getting on the end of the pass, association fitbaw really is an embarrassment, as gallsman said the dive should have cancelled out any penalty award, should have been a free kick edge of the box

Let it go, let it go

Teams get penalties that look soft, we could throw up plenty examples

Yeah but seldom with VAR intervention. I agree a ref could see it as a penalty in real time but there's no need to re-referee the game, especially to award a penalty for such a debatable foul.

Looking back on the incident now. More brain dead defending than a debatable foul.

Hard to argue with that.

If he doesn't go down, the ref likely doesn't give it

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

[From the Bunker]

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

Or are in your case - rewarding pulling a Jersey?

[trileacman]

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

Or are in your case - rewarding pulling a Jersey?

He was never getting on the end of that pass shirt pull or not, he threw himself to the ground the second he realised the ball was too far from him.the ref seen this all in real time and called it properly.

I'd have no problem with the ref seeing the pull and giving a penalty, but he didn't and so there's no need to referee the game over again from 200 miles away behind a tv screen.

[mrdeeds]

No United fan,but you can't pull a jersey. Player throws himself to ground your own fault for stupidity.

[Armagh18]

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

Or are in your case - rewarding pulling a Jersey?

He was never getting on the end of that pass shirt pull or not, he threw himself to the ground the second he realised the ball was too far from him.the ref seen this all in real time and called it properly.

I'd have no problem with the ref seeing the pull and giving a penalty, but he didn't and so there's no need to referee the game over again from 200 miles away behind a tv screen.

Ideally the ref would see a jersey pull and call a foul without the player needing to dive. But the standard of refereeing in England is awful.

[Tony Baloney]

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

Or are in your case - rewarding pulling a Jersey?

He was never getting on the end of that pass shirt pull or not, he threw himself to the ground the second he realised the ball was too far from him.the ref seen this all in real time and called it properly.

I'd have no problem with the ref seeing the pull and giving a penalty, but he didn't and so there's no need to referee the game over again from 200 miles away behind a tv screen.

Ideally the ref would see a jersey pull and call a foul without the player needing to dive. But the standard of refereeing in England is awful.

Refereeing is definitely sub par but it's not easy when every player on the pitch is trying to hoodwink you.

[Armagh18]

The moral of your story is that if in the box and your shirt is pulled then through yourself to the floor because VAR will give you a penalty but not if you stay on your feet. It's a reward for diving.

Or are in your case - rewarding pulling a Jersey?

He was never getting on the end of that pass shirt pull or not, he threw himself to the ground the second he realised the ball was too far from him.the ref seen this all in real time and called it properly.

I'd have no problem with the ref seeing the pull and giving a penalty, but he didn't and so there's no need to referee the game over again from 200 miles away behind a tv screen.

Ideally the ref would see a jersey pull and call a foul without the player needing to dive. But the standard of refereeing in England is awful.

Refereeing is definitely sub par but it's not easy when every player on the pitch is trying to hoodwink you.

True. But any champions league or europa games I watch the quality of refereeing is far better

[AustinPowers]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

[Armagh18]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

[trileacman]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

Whilst Martinez is proven he will command a big salary and long contract given that it's likely to be his last big payday. That leaves a lot of wages tied up in 2 goalkeepers (Onana and Martinez). Should his form drop off or injury curtail his minutes it's a lot of money tied up in 2 dud keepers. The "spend big/buy names" hasn't really worked for UTD especially with regard to Ronaldo, Eriksen, Casemiro, Maguire and Onana. There's a lot to be said for looking round Europe or England for some value signings like they had with Dalot, Diallo or Mazrauri.

[Armagh18]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

Whilst Martinez is proven he will command a big salary and long contract given that it's likely to be his last big payday. That leaves a lot of wages tied up in 2 goalkeepers (Onana and Martinez). Should his form drop off or injury curtail his minutes it's a lot of money tied up in 2 dud keepers. The "spend big/buy names" hasn't really worked for UTD especially with regard to Ronaldo, Eriksen, Casemiro, Maguire and Onana. There's a lot to be said for looking round Europe or England for some value signings like they had with Dalot, Diallo or Mazrauri.

Ideally you'd get Martinez for 2 years and the young lad as an understudy, with Martinez going to Saudi or the US after that, but unlikely I know.

[trileacman]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

Whilst Martinez is proven he will command a big salary and long contract given that it's likely to be his last big payday. That leaves a lot of wages tied up in 2 goalkeepers (Onana and Martinez). Should his form drop off or injury curtail his minutes it's a lot of money tied up in 2 dud keepers. The "spend big/buy names" hasn't really worked for UTD especially with regard to Ronaldo, Eriksen, Casemiro, Maguire and Onana. There's a lot to be said for looking round Europe or England for some value signings like they had with Dalot, Diallo or Mazrauri.

Ideally you'd get Martinez for 2 years and the young lad as an understudy, with Martinez going to Saudi or the US after that, but unlikely I know.

The US is a massive pay cut so I doubt he'll be going there in 2 years. Saudi money is unpredictable as we all know, maybe they'll be lucky.

Which young lad are you referring to?

[Armagh18]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

Whilst Martinez is proven he will command a big salary and long contract given that it's likely to be his last big payday. That leaves a lot of wages tied up in 2 goalkeepers (Onana and Martinez). Should his form drop off or injury curtail his minutes it's a lot of money tied up in 2 dud keepers. The "spend big/buy names" hasn't really worked for UTD especially with regard to Ronaldo, Eriksen, Casemiro, Maguire and Onana. There's a lot to be said for looking round Europe or England for some value signings like they had with Dalot, Diallo or Mazrauri.

Ideally you'd get Martinez for 2 years and the young lad as an understudy, with Martinez going to Saudi or the US after that, but unlikely I know.

The US is a massive pay cut so I doubt he'll be going there in 2 years. Saudi money is unpredictable as we all know, maybe they'll be lucky.

Which young lad are you referring to?

Lammens his name is, plays for Antwerp and they're being linked with him all summer.

[snoopdog]

Villa's Martinez  on the cards? He's left out of the  squad v Palace

I'd welcome a bit of shithousery  from the Argentine.

If United were serious they'd be buying him and that young lad from Antwerp as well. Martinez is exactly the sort of player they need. Don't know much about the young lad but even if hes talented he'll take time to settle and is bound to make the odd mistake which United don't have the luxury of allowing him.

Whilst Martinez is proven he will command a big salary and long contract given that it's likely to be his last big payday. That leaves a lot of wages tied up in 2 goalkeepers (Onana and Martinez). Should his form drop off or injury curtail his minutes it's a lot of money tied up in 2 dud keepers. The "spend big/buy names" hasn't really worked for UTD especially with regard to Ronaldo, Eriksen, Casemiro, Maguire and Onana. There's a lot to be said for looking round Europe or England for some value signings like they had with Dalot, Diallo or Mazrauri.

Ideally you'd get Martinez for 2 years and the young lad as an understudy, with Martinez going to Saudi or the US after that, but unlikely I know.

The US is a massive pay cut so I doubt he'll be going there in 2 years. Saudi money is unpredictable as we all know, maybe they'll be lucky.

Which young lad are you referring to?

Lammens his name is, plays for Antwerp and they're being linked with him all summer.

We need a proven keeper NOW. Not a potential keeper who could flop in the PL.
Martinez is proven so I would go for him all day long over the Belgian lad. Edwin Van Der Sar was in his 30s when we signed him.