Ulster Championship 2025

[mackers]

Overall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!

on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.

Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.

I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.

[screenexile]

Just on the overcarrying debate... this would have not been a free a week or 2 weeks ago and it should be!

https://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1916787821202784321

[imtommygunn]

Was it applied the same in any other games at the weekend though never mind a few weeks ago?

[illdecide]

Firstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more  to watch Hurling for that side of the game.

[tiempo]

Duty of care Jim wittering on again about a football team having to play games, but alas no sign of these mystery hamstring injuries he was so keen to blame on the new rules

Lower training to game ratio really irking him, such that he's now invoked the poor people of Ireland line begorrah

You're a great coach and manager Jim get on with it, enjoy it and quit cribbing

[tyrone08]

Overall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!

on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.

Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.

I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.

It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.

[armaghniac]

Ulster games have been poor enough like you say. I don't think Donegal look world beaters yet and Armagh definitely not as good as last year. Murphy probably wasn't quite as prominent for Donegal (from what I saw) and lost the rag a bit. I think Donegal will edge the final though but I think Armagh would love to win ulster as it's been a long time too.

Armagh didn't look great after the Ulster semi-final last year, they stepped up markedly in the final, and shouldn't have let it go to penalties. They have played well in bursts this year, in order to advance they need to extend the proportion of the game that they play like that.

[balladmaker]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

[flowerpot]

Was it applied the same in any other games at the weekend though never mind a few weeks ago?

Wasn't even applied correctly at the weekend.

[imtommygunn]

Was it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?

I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?

It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter.  Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack. 

As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.

Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.

Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.

A game that most pundits seem to forget about.

Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.

[tyrone08]

Was it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?

I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.

Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.

Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.

[imtommygunn]

I don't think you're far wrong there. Any other game I watched didn't seem to be as stringent on the steps - or even close really. It would be fine to clamp down on this if you do it across the board otherwise what's the point.

[gallsman]

Some analysts, Paul Flynn in particular have been making the point that with all the advantages forwards have under the new rules, refs have to get stricter on technical fouls, particularly over-carrying. Maybe Gough is in agreement.

There was a particularly pivotal Meath score late in the game where the fella took an outrageous number of steps.

Refs/GAA kind of in a bit of a hole over it given it hasn't been policed effectively for 20+ years.

[WT4E]

Firstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more  to watch Hurling for that side of the game.

Bit of a contradiction here!