NFL Division 1 2025

[onefineday]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match.  My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect.  I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.

The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.

That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct

Hopefully it won't make a difference

Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:

With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.

That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order

[David McKeown]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match.  My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect.  I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.

The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.

That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct

Hopefully it won't make a difference

Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:

With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.

That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order

I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.

https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL

[LarryStiles]

Have put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1

Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final

Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.

we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.


Galway 7/5

Dublin 15/8

Mayo 9/2

Donegal 6/1

Kerry 11/1

[onefineday]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match.  My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect.  I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.

The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.

That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct

Hopefully it won't make a difference

Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:

With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.

That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order

I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.

https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL

Irish examiner, the author explained how the ref clarified this all with them afterwards, the scoreline on gaa.ie is also as per above - I'd say it's all pretty definitive.

[Wildweasel74]

Derry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.

[David McKeown]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match.  My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect.  I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.

The point was initially flagged as a 2pt,but was touched so became 1pt, but then ref realised that the touch was after the hooter and disallowed it entirely.
Nonsense of course, it was a 2pt and should have remained as such.

That's not my memory at all. Rafferty definitely touched it after the hooter. Initially the umpire doesn't go for any flag then McQuillian runs in with an arm up then the umpire signals a point. So it definitely shouldn't have been a 2pt score or a score at all but RTE changed their graphic. BBC didn't. RTE have the final score 1-23 to 0-19. GAA.ie have it 1-23 to 0-18. I'm not sure it's possible to know which is correct

Hopefully it won't make a difference

Final score as per referee was 1.23 to 0.18 - excerpt from match report below:

With a final swish, Michael McKernan unleashed a buzzer-beating effort from outside the arc just before the siren sounded. The umpire raised his flag, the scoreboard switched over, Ethan Rafferty touched it before it went over the bar making it one point instead of two. None of it mattered.

That score didn't count. It took a long time for anyone to realise it. The fact that Rafferty touched the ball after the buzzer meant the final play was considered a shot that dropped short. Ultimately, the press in the media box were informed that the issue had been clarified post-match and the revised Tyrone total was 18 points. Welcome to the new order

I wonder where that match report is from. Also the footage available makes very clear the score was awarded wrongly. It certainly didn't seem to have been cancelled. My understanding was that scores couldn't be cancelled post match.

https://youtu.be/8BBSMeWq-Gk?si=s3drdPmwQxUsGbjL

Irish examiner, the author explained how the ref clarified this all with them afterwards, the scoreline on gaa.ie is also as per above - I'd say it's all pretty definitive.

I'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from. 

[onefineday]

I'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from. 

I think he clarified with the press box as to what his onfield decision was. The problem appears to have been that rte and a number of print journalists incorrectly added the point which could never have counted under the rules as they were then.

[David McKeown]

I'm confused why did the ref call the press box. Surely if the ref didn't give the score it would have been obvious and there'd have been no need for clarification. Alternatively if he had given it where does the power to change the scoreline after the match come from. 

I think he clarified with the press box as to what his onfield decision was. The problem appears to have been that rte and a number of print journalists incorrectly added the point which could never have counted under the rules as they were then.

I might understand that if that's what his decision had been but the footage clearly shows him run in and award the point. The fact he signals one and not two shows he knew there was a touch. The whole thing makes me think he awarded the score (wrongly) and was then told afterward he shouldn't have and tried to change it. Which I thought you couldn't do after the match had changed. Anyway hopefully it won't matter come Sunday.

[Rossfan]

If a Ref can award a point at half time (Galway v Derry) he can surely cancel a wrongly awarded one 30 seconds later.

[statto]

Derry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.

The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.   

Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.

Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential.  If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit). 

[JoG2]

Derry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.

The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out.   

Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.

Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential.  If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit). 

Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Have put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1

Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final

Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.

we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.


Galway 7/5

Dublin 15/8

Mayo 9/2

Donegal 6/1

Kerry 11/1

Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.

I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.

[larryin89]

 

Have put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1

Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final

Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.

we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.


Galway 7/5

Dublin 15/8

Mayo 9/2

Donegal 6/1

Kerry 11/1

Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.

I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.

Its hard to know tbh , Sligo and Leitrim not going well at all so not sure it's the banana skin you'd usually associate with it but then again Galway nearly came a cropper last year v Sligo .

To me though if there is any chance Tommy and paddy are going to feature in championship, it would be a nice run out for them in croker . Sure no big deal about a league final either as in we don't have to put everything into it , Shur we have 13 of them titles     

Plus our bucks don't really have a choice but to go out and win v Donegal as there's still the chance of relegation mathematically.

It's an intriguing Sunday

[Blowitupref]

Have put 50 on Kerry for the league @11/1

Galway and Donegal looking to be avoiding final

Tyrone needs the points and should edge the dubs.

we could more than likely have a kerry and mayo final.


Galway 7/5

Dublin 15/8

Mayo 9/2

Donegal 6/1

Kerry 11/1

Would Mayo not want to be avoiding the league final more than Galway.

I know Galway have to travel to New York the week after but Mayo have a potentially tricky tie v Sligo the same weekend.

Whatever about Donegal I don't think Galway are looking to avoid a league final, Joyce has already made his intentions clear to the media and will likely field close to a first 15 this weekend.

Mayo and McStay won't say no to another opportunity of playing in another Div 1 final against their neighbours. They'll overcome Sligo regardless.

[statto]

Derry to line out a near full reserve team, and just focus on Donegal, atrocious injury list at the minute.

The injury list is overstated due to the lack of depth in the squad those highlighted below are lads who have played significant minutes over the last number of years and would get minutes if Derry were full out. 

Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Martin Bradley, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan, Patrick McGurk, Conor Glass, Anton Tohill, Ethan Doherty, Niall Toner, Dan Higgins, Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy.

Bradley has had a decent campaign and would expect he will figure against Donegal and McGurk and Higgins have shown potential.  If talk is right they have lost Lynch(who hasn't played the majority of the league as was deemed second choice), McCluskey, Rogers, McFaul and McKinless, Murray and Gilmore( don't think he plays if everyone fit). 

Injury list overstated and then you list pretty much half the starting team

Lynch hasn't been selected for the majority of games, which would indicate Tally would have concerns about him. 

Rogers and Murray have been available for alot of the league.  McFaul, McKinless and McCluskey are losses obviously. 

In league football most sides in Division 1 would have 4/5 lads that are getting their chances alongside more established players week on week.  Derry would have been the exception to this last year when playing strongest team week on week, which was two fold as never developed any depth to the panel and also didn't give rest to the like of the Glen players who needed a rest.