NFL Division 1 2025

[mouview]

The beauty of the last series of games is that 3 of them involve teams who could make the league final or be possibly relegated, while only the Armagh/Derry match could see Armagh demoted.

[David McKeown]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

[David McKeown]

I've also noticed that and I know it's highly unlikely but a 20 point win for Armagh this weekend would guarantee they avoid relegation regardless of other results.

[BennyHarp]

So am I correct in saying that if two teams are on the same points then it goes to head to head results, but if more than 2 are involved then it's based on points difference? So, if Tyrone win (by more than 11) and Armagh win (by less), Kerry draw and Mayo lose, then they are all on 7 points and Tyrone would stay up, even though all 3 teams will have beaten Tyrone in their head to head matches? I think I'd quite enjoy that! 

[illdecide]

Tyrone have lost to the other 3 teams who can get relegated which means a win might still not keep them up. Although if 3 teams finish on the same points then it will go by point difference which Tyrone have in their favour over mayo and Armagh.

Kerry have a tough game vs Galway who can guarantee a league final with a win, so could potentially see themselves relegated if both Tyrone and Armagh won and they lose to Galway.

Armagh should definitely win as they play the only team with nothing to play for. So in that case would only get relegated if Tyrone win and Kerry draw or both of them win and mayo lose but maintain a better point difference.

A draw for Kerry would almost certainly keep them safe with having the head to head and superior point difference to both Tyrone and Armagh.

The only way Mayo would be relegated is if Tyrone, kerry and Armagh win and them losing to Donegal with a 5+ swing in point difference vs Armagh.

You can count Mayo out of this scenario.

They're not going to lose at home to Donegal when they have everything to play for and Donegal have nothing except an unwanted spot in the league final a week out from Derry.

Besides, I don't think we've won a game in Mayo since one about 15 years ago when Eamon McGee found the bottom corner of the net through a crowd from 21 yards in an injury time smash and grab! And we've a very poor record in general against Mayo, so I think you're on your own, Tyrone and Armagh!

That's exactly my point I made earlier, if you get the luck of the draw and get teams who don't want or have to win and play them last game or two in this league then you're at an advantage over the other teams who played them earlier in the campaign. That's why it has to change and the dates so that every team is fighting for something until the last game, realistically you could have two pts on the board after 5 games and win your last two games against teams who don't want to win and stay in the division which is not right nor is it a true reflection of you as a team. I know it's the luck of the draw and it's not the teams fault, it's the system.

[balladmaker]

Too many dead rubbers towards last couple of rounds makes a mockery of the league.  Teams getting to the final because others don't want to be there, team's avoiding relegation because their opponents are playing their B side, it's a very strange competition. 

As for the rules, and specifically the hooter.  I thought the hooter played to the exact time of the game including stoppages.  So when it blows, that's the time up.  Why do the FRC think it appropriate for the game to be extended until a break in play, what's the rationale behind that?

[joemamas]

So am I correct in saying that if two teams are on the same points then it goes to head to head results, but if more than 2 are involved then it's based on points difference? So, if Tyrone win (by more than 11) and Armagh win (by less), Kerry draw and Mayo lose, then they are all on 7 points and Tyrone would stay up, even though all 3 teams will have beaten Tyrone in their head to head matches? I think I'd quite enjoy that! 

Apologies in advance, but is it the same for the top.
lets assume that
Kerry beat Galway
Donegal lose to Mayo
Tyrone beat Dublin
Then
Galway
Dublin
Kerry
Donegal
all have 8 points
and for some crazy reason Mayo who were pointless after two games will finish top with 9pts.
what happens then.

[JoG2]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

[SouthOfThe Bann]

If Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.

That's never happened before.

[maddog]

If Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.

That's never happened before.

Be typical for it to happen to Armagh.

[Armagh18]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

[naka]

If Tyrone Armagh and Kerry win next week a team will be relegated on 7 points.

That's never happened before.

Mayo instead of Kerry ?
Fancy though mayo to beat Donegal

[Aaron Boone]

To be relegated Div 1 from Paddy Power:

Tyrone 4/11
Armagh 7/2
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 66/1.

[JoG2]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

[David McKeown]

For some reason this didn't post but I see from reading the league tables the final score/non score the Tyrone v Armagh game may become important.

It was discussed on this thread briefly previously but at the buzzer Tyrone took a shot just before the buzzer sounded, as it was in the air the buzzer went. Then Rafferty deflected it over the bar.

The umpire initially didn't wave the flag (correctly as I understand the rule) but McQuillian who was referring ran in and told him to do so.

I may have the broadcasters the wrong way round here but RTE didn't count the score but GAAGo and BBC did.

If Armagh and Tyrone win and Mayo loose and/or Kerry draw then that one point may be crucial.

To further confuse matters RTE seem to have counted the score in its points differential but GAA.ie have not.

Rte are correct... Why would the score not count? Game isn't over until the ball goes dead after the hooter*

*from a few days ago that is

The hooter had gone, the ball was kicked on the hooter but because Rafferty touched it the point shouldnt have counted.

Ahhh.. A game from weeks ago, only half read it. Sure you could go through multiple incidents in every game re scores

You could but I don't remember two news outlets reporting different scores for the one match.  My understanding of the rule at the time was the referee should not have allowed the score because Raferrty had a touch after the hooter but as he did then the score stood and that the RTE table is then correct and the gaa.ie table is incorrect.  I am not sure if there is an official source for the correct score but potentially although admittedly unlikely it could make a huge difference this weekend.