Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[snoopdog]

If it's good enough to hold league games then it's sufficient to hold a championship match with less capacity.

[take_yer_points]

What came first, draw made with Antrim at home or Armagh season tickets sold??

If the draw was made first then selling that many season tickets when the capacity of Antrim's home ground was known shouldn't have happened (ie. they've oversold on the number of seats available). I know that's short sighted and in reality it wouldn't happen like that, but the Antrim game should've been excluded from the season ticket or some alternative arrangement put in place.

Principle matters. Hold your ground Antrim

Armagh had the same opportunity to buy season tickets as every other county, the season ticket scheme is not the problem here. The draw was made on the basis of a suitability assessment of the ground, which is the same for all counties in Ireland. Antrim are free to nominate any ground of proper size for this game. I'll bet you that Antrim themselves do not allow clubs nominate grounds that the county board does not think suitable.

The Ulster Council are saying the issue is H&S. They could've restricted access beforehand though by either selling less tickets (H&S then wouldn't be a factor) or by putting a restriction on this game for season ticket holders. They decided not to do that though.

The issue is there's been too many tickets sold, and that was presumably done after the draw when they knew the capacity of Corrigan. They've oversold for this game.

They could be honest and say this is about money. But they won't. They'll hide behind H&S

[David McKeown]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

[Armagh18]

If anyone is enough of an asshole to bring a lawsuit over this they needed deported to the US.

[David McKeown]

If anyone is enough of an asshole to bring a lawsuit over this they needed deported to the US.

Plenty of people only bought season tickets because they were sold with the perk of giving you a right to buy a ticket to the match. They are perfectly entitled to feel aggrieved if that is now taken away from them.

[take_yer_points]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Aggrieved ffs. It'll be a total non-event.
I think you are reading into things a bit too much again, David.

[armaghniac]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

No, they established a policy that grounds would be reviewed for suitability and sold tickets on that basis. Some Antrim players are attempting to overthrow the decision of the association in that regard. The principle of grounds having to be suitable existed before either draw was made or the tickets were sold.

[take_yer_points]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

No, they established a policy that grounds would be reviewed for suitability and sold tickets on that basis. Some Antrim players are attempting to overthrow the decision of the association in that regard. The principle of grounds having to be suitable existed before either draw was made or the tickets were sold.

Do you have the actual text of the rule to hand? I saw it somewhere earlier but can't remember where

[take_yer_points]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

No, they established a policy that grounds would be reviewed for suitability and sold tickets on that basis. Some Antrim players are attempting to overthrow the decision of the association in that regard. The principle of grounds having to be suitable existed before either draw was made or the tickets were sold.

Do you have the actual text of the rule to hand? I saw it somewhere earlier but can't remember where

I can't see the rule but I see this from a news article. The H&S issue is a self made one due to too many tickets being sold after the venue was known. Had they sold fewer tickets to stay within the capacity of the venue (which they knew) then there's no issue.

That's nothing to do with Antrim.

However, in a statement to RTÉ Sport, Ulster GAA said Corrigan Park's capacity does not meet the "required health and safety standard" to stage the match and that discussions remain ongoing with Antrim GAA.

"Home venues for senior inter-county championship games are subject to the approval of the relevant CCC, and they must be in compliance with health and safety standards," a spokesperson for Ulster GAA said.

"Corrigan Park has a certified capacity of 4,000. The minimum number of tickets required to accommodate this fixture (including players charter, match officials, multi-sponsors, media, season tickets etc) will exceed the venue capacity. Therefore, Corrigan Park does not meet the required health and safety standard to accommodate this fixture.

[David McKeown]

Aggrieved ffs. It'll be a total non-event.
I think you are reading into things a bit too much again, David.

I dont think I am this thread has shown there is quite a divide on the issue.  I can see both sides.   I'm sure there are plenty who bought the otherwise poor value season ticket because they were lead to believe it guaranteed them first shout on a ticket to this and other matches involving their county.  Worse still if they bought multiples for the family I could see it being quite the kick in the teeth.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

If it doesn't go ahead, they should sue the Antrim players.

Drama queens.

[Spiderlegs]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

No, they established a policy that grounds would be reviewed for suitability and sold tickets on that basis. Some Antrim players are attempting to overthrow the decision of the association in that regard. The principle of grounds having to be suitable existed before either draw was made or the tickets were sold.

Do you have the actual text of the rule to hand? I saw it somewhere earlier but can't remember where

I can't see the rule but I see this from a news article. The H&S issue is a self made one due to too many tickets being sold after the venue was known. Had they sold fewer tickets to stay within the capacity of the venue (which they knew) then there's no issue.

That's nothing to do with Antrim.

However, in a statement to RTÉ Sport, Ulster GAA said Corrigan Park's capacity does not meet the "required health and safety standard" to stage the match and that discussions remain ongoing with Antrim GAA.

"Home venues for senior inter-county championship games are subject to the approval of the relevant CCC, and they must be in compliance with health and safety standards," a spokesperson for Ulster GAA said.

"Corrigan Park has a certified capacity of 4,000. The minimum number of tickets required to accommodate this fixture (including players charter, match officials, multi-sponsors, media, season tickets etc) will exceed the venue capacity. Therefore, Corrigan Park does not meet the required health and safety standard to accommodate this fixture.

The wording of the rule (6.12 part J) is this:

Note: Home Venues for all Senior Inter County Championship games shall be subject to
approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set
down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee

Add this rule to what the Ulster Council are saying and that's really the matter closed.

I would like Antrim to get this home tie, I really would. But I fail to see how.

[take_yer_points]

I'm guessing their argument will be that the H&S issue has been created by the overselling of tickets. Games are hosted in Corrigan Park regularly, no H&S issue when the capacity isn't exceeded.

That's not their fault, they didn't sell the tickets.

Be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't like the idea of them being moved from their home venue because of a situation not of their making.

[Milltown Row2]

Draw was early October. Season tickets were late October. About a 2.5 week difference.

This is why I imagine the GAA may be scared of a claim for fraudulent misselling.

Thanks David. So any H&S issues would've been avoided had all the knowledge to hand been considered (ie. "we can only sell a small number of Armagh season tickets because one of the venues they're playing in is quite small").

They've opted to sell more tickets than the already known home venue can hold. That's nothing to do with H&S and you'd have to be naive to think they didn't consider that at the time. I'd guess they thought they could get Antrim to rollover

No, they established a policy that grounds would be reviewed for suitability and sold tickets on that basis. Some Antrim players are attempting to overthrow the decision of the association in that regard. The principle of grounds having to be suitable existed before either draw was made or the tickets were sold.

Do you have the actual text of the rule to hand? I saw it somewhere earlier but can't remember where

I can't see the rule but I see this from a news article. The H&S issue is a self made one due to too many tickets being sold after the venue was known. Had they sold fewer tickets to stay within the capacity of the venue (which they knew) then there's no issue.

That's nothing to do with Antrim.

However, in a statement to RTÉ Sport, Ulster GAA said Corrigan Park's capacity does not meet the "required health and safety standard" to stage the match and that discussions remain ongoing with Antrim GAA.

"Home venues for senior inter-county championship games are subject to the approval of the relevant CCC, and they must be in compliance with health and safety standards," a spokesperson for Ulster GAA said.

"Corrigan Park has a certified capacity of 4,000. The minimum number of tickets required to accommodate this fixture (including players charter, match officials, multi-sponsors, media, season tickets etc) will exceed the venue capacity. Therefore, Corrigan Park does not meet the required health and safety standard to accommodate this fixture.

The wording of the rule (6.12 part J) is this:

Note: Home Venues for all Senior Inter County Championship games shall be subject to
approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set
down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee

Add this rule to what the Ulster Council are saying and that's really the matter closed.

I would like Antrim to get this home tie, I really would. But I fail to see how.

So why over sell tickets knowing they could not meet this criteria?