Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/1922d0e6-5b63-4507-8a2b-e4fbac68f767
If Russia decided to evacuate its naval presence in Syria, the ships would be likely to be barred by the Turkish government from crossing into the Black Sea via the Bosphorus. In such a case, the nearest Russian base would be Kaliningrad on the Baltic — a long sea journey involving refuelling on a route surrounded by Nato countries.

johnnycool

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 11:45:05 AMJoe Rogan is going to get cancelled if he keeps putting this stuff up!

The Truth About Ukraine

Well, the issue with that interview is that it's not the truth about Ukraine, it's bullshit from start to finish. Not that Elon Musk would have any issue with that.

And as I mentioned already, Wladimir Klitschko, politely pointed out to Rogan that he is spreading Russian propaganda and offered to come on his show. Rogan hasn't accepted and probably won't. He is not interested in the truth, just what his braindead audience want to hear.

p.s. you 'freethinkers' all really do swill from the same troughs don't you.



Joe Rogan barely spoke throughout that podcast, but a freethinker like yourself would have known that.

This isn't Russian disinformation, it's a guy explaining the US's role in controlling the narrative in Ukraine for a decade and more, but no doubt he's a Russian stooge, just like all the other stooges who blew the whistle on what the US via the CIA were at in Latin America and the Middle East for decades and decades before all this stuff in Ukraine was happening.

This is standard fare for the CIA and nothing new for them, just the medium has changed.





Banks of the Bann

Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 11:45:05 AMJoe Rogan is going to get cancelled if he keeps putting this stuff up!

The Truth About Ukraine

Well, the issue with that interview is that it's not the truth about Ukraine, it's bullshit from start to finish. Not that Elon Musk would have any issue with that.

And as I mentioned already, Wladimir Klitschko, politely pointed out to Rogan that he is spreading Russian propaganda and offered to come on his show. Rogan hasn't accepted and probably won't. He is not interested in the truth, just what his braindead audience want to hear.

p.s. you 'freethinkers' all really do swill from the same troughs don't you.



Joe Rogan barely spoke throughout that podcast, but a freethinker like yourself would have known that.

This isn't Russian disinformation, it's a guy explaining the US's role in controlling the narrative in Ukraine for a decade and more, but no doubt he's a Russian stooge, just like all the other stooges who blew the whistle on what the US via the CIA were at in Latin America and the Middle East for decades and decades before all this stuff in Ukraine was happening.

This is standard fare for the CIA and nothing new for them, just the medium has changed.






Bullshit from start to finish from the guy being interviewed. Rogan barely spoke ...lol. Of course he didn't. An informed interviewer would have challenged or pushed back on the nonsense being spouted. Rogan just sits there like a nodding dummy.

'Freethinkers' are always blown away by the credentials of those who spouting nonsense that suits their political ideology. As if it's not possible that they are pursuing an agenda of their own. Benz is a shit talking alt right conspiracy theorist.

Skull already posted an excerpt from that interview. Some 'Red Lines Memo' nonsense - absolute bullshit about some letter from NGOs and think tanks being 'proof' that every aspect of Ukrainian society is controlled by the US. The so-called 'Red Lines Memo' is the equivalent of an open letter to the Irish News...'We the undersigned call on the government to immediately...etc etc etc". That's it and that's all.

Russian propagandists have the easiest job on the planet because their target audience are an open goal. Check nothing, believe everything.

johnnycool

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 11:45:05 AMJoe Rogan is going to get cancelled if he keeps putting this stuff up!

The Truth About Ukraine

Well, the issue with that interview is that it's not the truth about Ukraine, it's bullshit from start to finish. Not that Elon Musk would have any issue with that.

And as I mentioned already, Wladimir Klitschko, politely pointed out to Rogan that he is spreading Russian propaganda and offered to come on his show. Rogan hasn't accepted and probably won't. He is not interested in the truth, just what his braindead audience want to hear.

p.s. you 'freethinkers' all really do swill from the same troughs don't you.



Joe Rogan barely spoke throughout that podcast, but a freethinker like yourself would have known that.

This isn't Russian disinformation, it's a guy explaining the US's role in controlling the narrative in Ukraine for a decade and more, but no doubt he's a Russian stooge, just like all the other stooges who blew the whistle on what the US via the CIA were at in Latin America and the Middle East for decades and decades before all this stuff in Ukraine was happening.

This is standard fare for the CIA and nothing new for them, just the medium has changed.






Bullshit from start to finish from the guy being interviewed. Rogan barely spoke ...lol. Of course he didn't. An informed interviewer would have challenged or pushed back on the nonsense being spouted. Rogan just sits there like a nodding dummy.

'Freethinkers' are always blown away by the credentials of those who spouting nonsense that suits their political ideology. As if it's not possible that they are pursuing an agenda of their own. Benz is a shit talking alt right conspiracy theorist.

Skull already posted an excerpt from that interview. Some 'Red Lines Memo' nonsense - absolute bullshit about some letter from NGOs and think tanks being 'proof' that every aspect of Ukrainian society is controlled by the US. The so-called 'Red Lines Memo' is the equivalent of an open letter to the Irish News...'We the undersigned call on the government to immediately...etc etc etc". That's it and that's all.

Russian propagandists have the easiest job on the planet because their target audience are an open goal. Check nothing, believe everything.


I'm not saying Russia isn't doing the things you allude to, I'm just saying the US have also being doing these things and have been for years.


Milltown Row2

Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 11:45:05 AMJoe Rogan is going to get cancelled if he keeps putting this stuff up!

The Truth About Ukraine

Well, the issue with that interview is that it's not the truth about Ukraine, it's bullshit from start to finish. Not that Elon Musk would have any issue with that.

And as I mentioned already, Wladimir Klitschko, politely pointed out to Rogan that he is spreading Russian propaganda and offered to come on his show. Rogan hasn't accepted and probably won't. He is not interested in the truth, just what his braindead audience want to hear.

p.s. you 'freethinkers' all really do swill from the same troughs don't you.



Joe Rogan barely spoke throughout that podcast, but a freethinker like yourself would have known that.

This isn't Russian disinformation, it's a guy explaining the US's role in controlling the narrative in Ukraine for a decade and more, but no doubt he's a Russian stooge, just like all the other stooges who blew the whistle on what the US via the CIA were at in Latin America and the Middle East for decades and decades before all this stuff in Ukraine was happening.

This is standard fare for the CIA and nothing new for them, just the medium has changed.






Bullshit from start to finish from the guy being interviewed. Rogan barely spoke ...lol. Of course he didn't. An informed interviewer would have challenged or pushed back on the nonsense being spouted. Rogan just sits there like a nodding dummy.

'Freethinkers' are always blown away by the credentials of those who spouting nonsense that suits their political ideology. As if it's not possible that they are pursuing an agenda of their own. Benz is a shit talking alt right conspiracy theorist.

Skull already posted an excerpt from that interview. Some 'Red Lines Memo' nonsense - absolute bullshit about some letter from NGOs and think tanks being 'proof' that every aspect of Ukrainian society is controlled by the US. The so-called 'Red Lines Memo' is the equivalent of an open letter to the Irish News...'We the undersigned call on the government to immediately...etc etc etc". That's it and that's all.

Russian propagandists have the easiest job on the planet because their target audience are an open goal. Check nothing, believe everything.


I'm not saying Russia isn't doing the things you allude to, I'm just saying the US have also being doing these things and have been for years.



So both Cnuts, everyone knows that
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2024, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 11, 2024, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 11:45:05 AMJoe Rogan is going to get cancelled if he keeps putting this stuff up!

The Truth About Ukraine

Well, the issue with that interview is that it's not the truth about Ukraine, it's bullshit from start to finish. Not that Elon Musk would have any issue with that.

And as I mentioned already, Wladimir Klitschko, politely pointed out to Rogan that he is spreading Russian propaganda and offered to come on his show. Rogan hasn't accepted and probably won't. He is not interested in the truth, just what his braindead audience want to hear.

p.s. you 'freethinkers' all really do swill from the same troughs don't you.



Joe Rogan barely spoke throughout that podcast, but a freethinker like yourself would have known that.

This isn't Russian disinformation, it's a guy explaining the US's role in controlling the narrative in Ukraine for a decade and more, but no doubt he's a Russian stooge, just like all the other stooges who blew the whistle on what the US via the CIA were at in Latin America and the Middle East for decades and decades before all this stuff in Ukraine was happening.

This is standard fare for the CIA and nothing new for them, just the medium has changed.






Bullshit from start to finish from the guy being interviewed. Rogan barely spoke ...lol. Of course he didn't. An informed interviewer would have challenged or pushed back on the nonsense being spouted. Rogan just sits there like a nodding dummy.

'Freethinkers' are always blown away by the credentials of those who spouting nonsense that suits their political ideology. As if it's not possible that they are pursuing an agenda of their own. Benz is a shit talking alt right conspiracy theorist.

Skull already posted an excerpt from that interview. Some 'Red Lines Memo' nonsense - absolute bullshit about some letter from NGOs and think tanks being 'proof' that every aspect of Ukrainian society is controlled by the US. The so-called 'Red Lines Memo' is the equivalent of an open letter to the Irish News...'We the undersigned call on the government to immediately...etc etc etc". That's it and that's all.

Russian propagandists have the easiest job on the planet because their target audience are an open goal. Check nothing, believe everything.


I'm not saying Russia isn't doing the things you allude to, I'm just saying the US have also being doing these things and have been for years.



So both Cnuts, everyone knows that

The difference is you don't have anyone on this board peddling American lies and propaganda trying to justify their wars. (or 'Explain but not endorse' in idiot conspiracy theory parlance)

SaffronSports

Any chance of a brief summary of what's being said. Long time to be listening to a podcast that

gallsman

Not really talking is more or less Rogan:s entire approach to "interviewing". Unless it's jiu jitsu, MMA or hunting, he's completely unqualified to talk on almost any subject, so he just lets his guests ramble on unfiltered and unchallenged. He's a meathead, nothing more.

https://youtu.be/BKrf7mX_R6M?si=1OK6W-O0Qoq3BUm6

theskull1

Not long now before our sons and daughters get dragged into these global conflicts. Theres too many people on the planet anyway I suppose.   

Nato must switch to a wartime mindset, warns secretary general

The head of Nato has said it is time to "shift to a wartime mindset", as he warned the military alliance's members were not spending enough to prepare for the threat of a future conflict with Russia.

Secretary general Mark Rutte said Moscow was "preparing for long-term confrontation with Ukraine and with us", describing the current security situation as the worst in his lifetime.

"We are not ready for what is coming our way in four to five years," he said in his first major speech since becoming secretary general in October, urging members to "turbocharge" their defence spending.
It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Milltown Row2

Quote from: theskull1 on December 12, 2024, 10:14:10 PMNot long now before our sons and daughters get dragged into these global conflicts. Theres too many people on the planet anyway I suppose.   

Nato must switch to a wartime mindset, warns secretary general

The head of Nato has said it is time to "shift to a wartime mindset", as he warned the military alliance's members were not spending enough to prepare for the threat of a future conflict with Russia.

Secretary general Mark Rutte said Moscow was "preparing for long-term confrontation with Ukraine and with us", describing the current security situation as the worst in his lifetime.

"We are not ready for what is coming our way in four to five years," he said in his first major speech since becoming secretary general in October, urging members to "turbocharge" their defence spending.

Best going nuke and getting it over with, reset
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Banks of the Bann

#1780
Quote from: theskull1 on December 12, 2024, 10:14:10 PMNot long now before our sons and daughters get dragged into these global conflicts. Theres too many people on the planet anyway I suppose.   

Nato must switch to a wartime mindset, warns secretary general

The head of Nato has said it is time to "shift to a wartime mindset", as he warned the military alliance's members were not spending enough to prepare for the threat of a future conflict with Russia.

Secretary general Mark Rutte said Moscow was "preparing for long-term confrontation with Ukraine and with us", describing the current security situation as the worst in his lifetime.

"We are not ready for what is coming our way in four to five years," he said in his first major speech since becoming secretary general in October, urging members to "turbocharge" their defence spending.

Well let's all hope that the Russians don't attack any NATO countries then, eh old chap.

Or even better they could withdraw from Ukraine and we can have peace in the region again. Wouldn't that be an idea.




Banks of the Bann


johnnycool

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 12, 2024, 11:11:13 PMThe Austrians are a bit slow but they caught on eventually.

https://x.com/karlnehammer/status/1866916363295498575?s=46

Yep,
Europe can breathe much easier now, no reliance on Russian gas once the new pipelines from Qatar, through Syria gets up and running.


SaffronSports

Quote from: johnnycool on December 13, 2024, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 12, 2024, 11:11:13 PMThe Austrians are a bit slow but they caught on eventually.

https://x.com/karlnehammer/status/1866916363295498575?s=46

Yep,
Europe can breathe much easier now, no reliance on Russian gas once the new pipelines from Qatar, through Syria gets up and running.



There's always a pipeline.

Banks of the Bann

Quote from: SaffronSports on December 13, 2024, 09:59:14 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 13, 2024, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on December 12, 2024, 11:11:13 PMThe Austrians are a bit slow but they caught on eventually.

https://x.com/karlnehammer/status/1866916363295498575?s=46

Yep,
Europe can breathe much easier now, no reliance on Russian gas once the new pipelines from Qatar, through Syria gets up and running.



There's always a pipeline.

Europe is already mostly free from Russian gas.

Even Trump warned them but they just sniggered.

Incidentally, Russia would have you believe that Europe was simultaneously building new pipelines and becoming ever more reliant on their gas but also planning to invade them.

You have to be really stupid to believe their propaganda.

What building new pipelines did do was send a signal to Moscow, that even after invading Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014, they could do whatever they liked.

How Germany must lament Ukraine didn't fold within weeks so they could wring their hands for a while and then promptly get on with business as usual.