General Election 2024

Started by Rossfan, November 03, 2024, 05:44:39 PM

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Snapchap

Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2024, 12:43:56 PMYawwwwwnnnnn.
They were elected because loads if  people voted for them in the EU election in a Constituency that spanned over half the 26 Counties.
Remind me again how your Party's candidate did......

So let me get this straight, these celebrities with zero political exprience were elected by people who aren't stupid enough to fall for celebrity endoresments in elections? Is that what you're saying?

Rossfan

If you don't know the difference between a Euro election and a General Election I can't help you any further.
Feckin Dana became a MEP at one stage ::) 😳
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Snapchap

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Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2024, 12:58:15 PMIf you don't know the difference between a Euro election and a General Election I can't help you any further.
Feckin Dana became a MEP at one stage ::) 😳

Forgot about Dana. All you've done there is provided me with another example. If euro elections aren't important to people, they dont go to their polling station to vote. Those that did, voted in vast numbers for a celebrity who can barely string a sentence together. Why would that be, if not stupidity?

I see the good people of Galway West are being offered the opportunity by Fianna Fáil to elect a former TV presenter who lives in South Africa and now sells jewellery for a living. She's on the ball so far anyway. Lashing out at the state of the health service in Galway, seemingly unaware that her party holds the Health ministry. Bless. They've also recruited another tv presenter for Louth.

weareros

Believe there's one final opinion poll from Red C/Business Post due at some stage today.

AustinPowers

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What  Is the reason for FF/FG's hatred of SF? It just seems strange, given FF and FG  are opposing parties historically , but they obviously  hate SF  a lot more

I have my own suspicions , but just interested in  others thoughts on it


Btw, what was the  reason for the position of each  candidate in the line up last night? Is this usually the order they  stand? Seemed to me it was deliberate , so that MM/SH could  give it to Mary Lou  from both sides (I'm not a  SF voter btw)

armaghniac

Quote from: trileacman on November 27, 2024, 07:16:31 AMHe's always been a drip to be honest. It was surprising that he was selected so easily by FG and it speaks to the malign influence of a cosy metropolitan cabal and its control of Irish politics.

I agree that SF really haven't developed at all in the last 5 years. It's really just the same ould guff from them and that has its own natural ceiling. ML referring to them as tweedledum and tweedledee is nothing new or original. Their position on any issue seems as obscure as ever.

There may be a lack of talent in current-day politics. Those that retired like had a certain ability whatever you think of their politics e.g. Coveney did a good job on Brexit. The best leader FG could find was Harris, SF still rely on Doherty, Carthy etc who have been around for years.

Quote from: Snapchap on November 27, 2024, 12:49:13 PMSo let me get this straight, these celebrities with zero political experience were elected by people who aren't stupid enough to fall for celebrity endorsements in elections? Is that what you're saying?

And channelling my inner O'leary, a TV presenter with no political experience might be as useful as a teacher with no political experience.

Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2024, 02:58:05 PMBtw, what was the  reason for the position of each  candidate in the line up last night? Is this usually the order they  stand? Seemed to me it was deliberate , so that MM/SH could  give it to Mary Lou  from both sides (I'm not a  SF voter btw)

They draw lots for the seating. What was a bit odd was the candidates close together and the two ladies in red facing them at a distance.

 

 
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Pub Bore

Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2024, 02:58:05 PMWhat  Is the reason for FF/FG's hatred of SF? It just seems strange, given FF and FG  are opposing parties historically , but they obviously  hate SF  a lot more

I have my own suspicions , but just interested in  others thoughts on it


Btw, what was the  reason for the position of each  candidate in the line up last night? Is this usually the order they  stand? Seemed to me it was deliberate , so that MM/SH could  give it to Mary Lou  from both sides (I'm not a  SF voter btw)
I suspect because SF reminds them of the circumstances in which the state was formed, something they'd rather not judge by today's morals.

The Boy Wonder

Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2024, 02:58:05 PMWhat  Is the reason for FF/FG's hatred of SF? It just seems strange, given FF and FG  are opposing parties historically , but they obviously  hate SF  a lot more

I have my own suspicions , but just interested in  others thoughts on it



I don't think Micheál Martin's outright opposition to coalition with Sinn Féin is an indication that FF as a party would not countenance such a coalition. I think it is very likely that an FF/SF coalition will be the most clearcut choice of Government when the votes are counted.

The 1989 General Election results meant that the only realistic options were an FF/PD coalition or another election. PDs had to think long and hard but after a number of days conceded that another election was not what people would want.

trileacman

Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2024, 02:58:05 PMWhat  Is the reason for FF/FG's hatred of SF? It just seems strange, given FF and FG  are opposing parties historically , but they obviously  hate SF  a lot more

I have my own suspicions , but just interested in  others thoughts on it


Btw, what was the  reason for the position of each  candidate in the line up last night? Is this usually the order they  stand? Seemed to me it was deliberate , so that MM/SH could  give it to Mary Lou  from both sides (I'm not a  SF voter btw)

There's an innuendo that's gonna haunt me for the rest of the week.
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AustinPowers

Quote from: trileacman on November 27, 2024, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2024, 02:58:05 PMWhat  Is the reason for FF/FG's hatred of SF? It just seems strange, given FF and FG  are opposing parties historically , but they obviously  hate SF  a lot more

I have my own suspicions , but just interested in  others thoughts on it


Btw, what was the  reason for the position of each  candidate in the line up last night? Is this usually the order they  stand? Seemed to me it was deliberate , so that MM/SH could  give it to Mary Lou  from both sides (I'm not a  SF voter btw)

There's an innuendo that's gonna haunt me for the rest of the week.

You've  just got a dirty mind   ;D

weareros

Final poll before Election Day.

📊 RED C POLL 📊

Fianna Fáil - 21% (-)
Sinn Féin - 20% (+2)
Fine Gael - 20% (-2)
Independents - 14% (-1)
Social Democrats - 6% (-)
Labour - 4% (+1)
Ind Ireland - 4% (+1)
Greens - 4% (-)
Aontú – 4% (-1)
PBP - 2% (-)

marty34

Quote from: weareros on November 27, 2024, 08:03:18 PMFinal poll before Election Day.

📊 RED C POLL 📊

Fianna Fáil - 21% (-)
Sinn Féin - 20% (+2)
Fine Gael - 20% (-2)
Independents - 14% (-1)
Social Democrats - 6% (-)
Labour - 4% (+1)
Ind Ireland - 4% (+1)
Greens - 4% (-)
Aontú – 4% (-1)
PBP - 2% (-)

It's mad that Soc. Democrats and Labour haven't merged. No difference between them.

Same as FFG.

Probbly two big egos leading Labour and the Soc. Democrats.

They'd be on at least 10% and could be kingmakers.


weareros

Some additional analysis from business post on second preferences, which probably ensures FF will be biggest party.

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Questions are also being asked - and these will persist for days to come - about a potential coalition between Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin, something ruled out several times by the Tánaiste this week.
However, support for Fine Gael has not dropped as sharply as one may have anticipated given that polling was conducted in the days after the interaction between Harris and care worker Charlotte Fallon in Cork, and will be a relief for the party so close to polling day.
The party will also take comfort from the fact that when considering the vote share by candidate list in each constituency Fine Gael is on 21 per cent, tied with Fianna Fáil, leaving the prospect of both parties being around the negotiating table after voting very much open.

Taking vote share by candidate list, Sinn Féin actually drops to 19 per cent support. It also only garners 13 per cent of second preference votes, according to this poll.
One-third of people who indicated that they'd give Sinn Féin a first preference vote also have it a second preference. As expected, very few Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael voters said they'd transfer to Sinn Féin too, at 8 per cent and 2 per cent, respectively.
However, Fine Gael's decline must also be seen in the context of numerous long-standing TDs not contesting the election with today's poll results suggesting Fianna Fáil is more transfer-friendly heading towards the election.
Fine Gael also fails to gain the same level of second preference votes as Fianna Fáil (21 per cent) with Harris's party on 17 per cent.
Results on the second preference questions are, however, based on a smaller sample size per group, and as such have a higher margin of error. The results should therefore be treated with caution.

armaghniac

Poll
FF 21%
FG 20%
SF 20%

just like last time only worse, in that there are more independents etc
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