Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[uimhr ocht]

Dessie Dolan was never mentioned as a possibility he done a decent job with limited resources for Westmeath,the clubs must have no say at all with regards the manager after being asked to nominate in the summer

[Topmarks]

Entering week 18 since Mickey Harte stepped down as manager, now into Novemeber with most counties already having selected panels for next season and S&C programmes probably already started and Derry still have not appointed anyone. The rumour is the Co. Board already have their man selected and that man is currently still involved with a club. So let's try narrow that down as we are now into provincial championship and narrows the field. 1. LACEY (publicly said he hasn't been approached)
2. Enda mcginley (has supposedly said not interested) 3. Ronan devlin (publicly said not approached) 4. Declan bonner (please god no) 5. Ruairi lavery clann eirean 6. Ryan daly crosserlough 7. David mckeague scotstown  Is there anyone else out there ?? Unless lacey is calling a bluff

Was Johnny McBride not offered it recently? Would that not point to that they still haven't got their man? Shambles anyway, County Board have seriously let down a talented group of players & the new manager will be fighting an uphill battle

I definitely wouldn't be pinning all the blame on the Co Board for this

Who else would you pin blame on?

That we're managerless atm? Maybe the players who went behind management's back, you know, the reason Harte / Devlin left

JOG, anyone ever tell you it's a player's game. If you payed any attention this year the players lost faith in Harte and co. It's a short career for players or maybe you're more interested in boys hanging on in the board for 20 plus years. It's been truly pathetic the search for a new manager and boys like you giving them a pass, laughable. It's Nov ffs the board haven't got a clue

[JoG2]

Entering week 18 since Mickey Harte stepped down as manager, now into Novemeber with most counties already having selected panels for next season and S&C programmes probably already started and Derry still have not appointed anyone. The rumour is the Co. Board already have their man selected and that man is currently still involved with a club. So let's try narrow that down as we are now into provincial championship and narrows the field. 1. LACEY (publicly said he hasn't been approached)
2. Enda mcginley (has supposedly said not interested) 3. Ronan devlin (publicly said not approached) 4. Declan bonner (please god no) 5. Ruairi lavery clann eirean 6. Ryan daly crosserlough 7. David mckeague scotstown  Is there anyone else out there ?? Unless lacey is calling a bluff

Was Johnny McBride not offered it recently? Would that not point to that they still haven't got their man? Shambles anyway, County Board have seriously let down a talented group of players & the new manager will be fighting an uphill battle

I definitely wouldn't be pinning all the blame on the Co Board for this

Who else would you pin blame on?

That we're managerless atm? Maybe the players who went behind management's back, you know, the reason Harte / Devlin left

JOG, anyone ever tell you it's a player's game. If you payed any attention this year the players lost faith in Harte and co. It's a short career for players or maybe you're more interested in boys hanging on in the board for 20 plus years. It's been truly pathetic the search for a new manager and boys like you giving them a pass, laughable. It's Nov ffs the board haven't got a clue

That's a new one on me thanks, top marks

[Topmarks]

Entering week 18 since Mickey Harte stepped down as manager, now into Novemeber with most counties already having selected panels for next season and S&C programmes probably already started and Derry still have not appointed anyone. The rumour is the Co. Board already have their man selected and that man is currently still involved with a club. So let's try narrow that down as we are now into provincial championship and narrows the field. 1. LACEY (publicly said he hasn't been approached)
2. Enda mcginley (has supposedly said not interested) 3. Ronan devlin (publicly said not approached) 4. Declan bonner (please god no) 5. Ruairi lavery clann eirean 6. Ryan daly crosserlough 7. David mckeague scotstown  Is there anyone else out there ?? Unless lacey is calling a bluff

Was Johnny McBride not offered it recently? Would that not point to that they still haven't got their man? Shambles anyway, County Board have seriously let down a talented group of players & the new manager will be fighting an uphill battle

I definitely wouldn't be pinning all the blame on the Co Board for this

Who else would you pin blame on?

That we're managerless atm? Maybe the players who went behind management's back, you know, the reason Harte / Devlin left

JOG, anyone ever tell you it's a player's game. If you payed any attention this year the players lost faith in Harte and co. It's a short career for players or maybe you're more interested in boys hanging on in the board for 20 plus years. It's been truly pathetic the search for a new manager and boys like you giving them a pass, laughable. It's Nov ffs the board haven't got a clue

That's a new one on me thanks, top marks

Good man, keep on asking people on here for suggestions

[Derry Man]

Dessie Dolan was never mentioned as a possibility he done a decent job with limited resources for Westmeath,the clubs must have no say at all with regards the manager after being asked to nominate in the summer

Is Jason Sherlock part of a management team this year? Had a good reputation with the dubs & Westmeath

[uimhr ocht]

Good shout re Sherlock I think Dolan is experienced county manager compared to say Lacey,Doran,mc bride, Bradley,al experienced at club level or no 2 at county level

[Wildweasel74]

What excately has McBride done past few yrs? Took the Loup to a county final and hammered a fair while bck.

[shamrocker12]

good job your not picking the next Manager  .

I think one of the main issues is who exactly is picking the new manager? Word on the street is it is indeed being a "player led" appointment. Don't know what to think if that's true. Apparently the majority of clubs nominated RG. That's a well known fact with players also wanting him. Some within Co. Board voted against that decision. Keane and Horan were approached and said no. Players supposedly unhappy and they have took it upon themselves to appoint a "big name" coach. Don't know who they are going to get at this stage of the game as there's no one left with a "big name" available from what i can see. Not unless something happens left of field and takes us all by surprise.

[Gael-in-exile]

As an outsider watching on and reading a bit here I'm surprised the idea that some players are driving the choices.
I also have a view that player decisions are dangerous in precedent. The Boards may well make some players or ex-players part of a selection committee but if for example 4 players are heavily involved then where is the clarity and openness should one or more of those players need dropped??

Assuming knowing some of those players it won't be long until that happens and maybe is dangerous considering how those players have influenced other decisions in clubs and schools

[Rawhide]

This is simply a complete failure of leadership on the behalf of the County Chairman John Keenan and the Operations Manager Stephen Barker. If either had an ounce of integrity they both should resign at the AGM.

That may sound harsh, however in their roles they have mismanaged and overseen a mess.

[JE23]

Real pity where we're at with our county team at the moment - particularly disappointing that the county board have made a total mess of the managerial setup for a second year in row. I just hope we can somehow get a good manager in place ASAP, but don't buy into the idea that we have someone lined up that's currently involved with a club team (that didn't stop Tyrone announcing MOR for e.g.).

On another note, looks like our Derry underage squads are in the process of being finalized. Does anyone have a list of players and management for each of the football teams (u20, u17, u16 and u15)?

[statto]

good job your not picking the next Manager  .

I think one of the main issues is who exactly is picking the new manager? Word on the street is it is indeed being a "player led" appointment. Don't know what to think if that's true. Apparently the majority of clubs nominated RG. That's a well known fact with players also wanting him. Some within Co. Board voted against that decision. Keane and Horan were approached and said no. Players supposedly unhappy and they have took it upon themselves to appoint a "big name" coach. Don't know who they are going to get at this stage of the game as there's no one left with a "big name" available from what i can see. Not unless something happens left of field and takes us all by surprise.

Was McKaigue not heavily involved in the Harte appointment? I can see why senior players would be involved in the process as ultimately they are going to know what good looks like and what bad looks like better than anyone else and will know the personalities within the dressing room. 

[OakleafCounty]

It's not the only thing that the County Board are getting wrong.

At underage club level they are still persisting with primary school age teams being odd numbers (u7, u9, u11) while the juvinile teams are u14s etc. This has left a 3 year gap from u11 to u14 which is a nightmare for most clubs to manage. This despite all three bordering counties and LGFA having gone back to even numbers across the board. They are the type of people where, it's their way or the high way.

[Brendan]

It's not the only thing that the County Board are getting wrong.

At underage club level they are still persisting with primary school age teams being odd numbers (u7, u9, u11) while the juvinile teams are u14s etc. This has left a 3 year gap from u11 to u14 which is a nightmare for most clubs to manage. This despite all three bordering counties and LGFA having gone back to even numbers across the board. They are the type of people where, it's their way or the high way.

How did the club led u12 Development type league get on the season just passed?

[Maghera was Black]

First post as a long term supporter, i was drew here to see what the thoughts are on the situation the county finds itself in. The long drawn out process can only be described as farcical at this point.

We know the board reached out to the clubs (suspiciously didn't ask the clubs after Ciaran Meenagh stepped away) with the conclusion being that Gallagher was the choice of clubs along with the leadership group of players. When news of this filtered out the press jumped on it and that's when we seem to have hit the rocks it started with Gary Coleman's article in the IN, Belfast Telegraph asking women's rights groups for their opinion, Armagh fans on social media saying they will never watch or support Derry again when on tv, social media users who have no vested interest in our county or sport in general offering their 'educated' opinion on family law and legal matters. And so the board/sponsors/club Derry seems to have came to a disagreement about rehiring Gallagher, and Keenan then broke rank and made a statement to the media that Gallagher is out of the running this was apparently done without the consent of Barker.

Dating back to before Harte was appointed Keenan had said we will be only looking for experienced inter-county managers at a high level, this was also stated by players - Glass on the podcast with Niblock. Rogers and Chrissy also stated around this time what players want a name that jumps off the page and makes you sit up and take notice. The board seem to have tried with talks of Horan, O'Rourke even Jim Gavin was mention last September before the shock news that Harte got the gig.

Roll on 12 months we are no further forward, rightly or wrongly the board had the chance to fully distance themselves from Rory over a year ago and didn't do it and then again after Harte and Horse walked and didn't do it until as i said above Keenan's one sentence statement after media got wiff of a Gallagher return. We were and are playing catch up ever since. Rory's shadow hangs long over us and that has to sit with the board they either had to stick or twist with Rory and yet they didn't really want to do one or the other. By not being decisive with Gallagher we have found ourselves now being linked to rookie coaches with no experience whatsoever of Intercounty management all what Keenan said originally back last September we wouldn't do, the players want a name that stops you in your tracks and jumps off the back pages yet now we just get linked with rookies... Irish News had Doran in the hot seat and said we should be lucky as we were nothing but a D3 team. Now Johnny McBride, Paul McFlynn, Barry Dillon, Paddy Bradley, Paul McIvor, Ronan Devlin all get the Irish News rumours treatment.

The only think we really know is the management saga needs to draw to a close soon, with around 4 weeks until inter-county training can officially resume. The direction and ambition we have for the team will be for all to see with who ever takes the reigns.