All-Stars 2024

[Wildweasel74]

Yip. Back then it was 2 month suspension,  still shouldn't hit him though.

[Cavan19]

Novelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.

Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country

He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.

How many goals did he concede ?

14 or so

And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them

Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.

[David McKeown]

Novelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.

Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country

He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.

How many goals did he concede ?

14 or so

And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them

Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.

I'm struggling to see what the criteria is. If goals conceded doesn't come into because they are the defence's fault, then presumably kick outs won don't come into either. Then is contribution to scores or what exactly is it?

Morgan is a brilliant keeper. Hughes is a level below but Hughes was a major factor in an all Ireland win and kept a previous years all star nominee out of a starting spot.

Morgan was a significant contributor to a team than underachieved.

For me if Armagh hadn't have had Hughes they wouldn't be All Ireland Champions. Had Tyrone not have had Morgan they wouldn't have finished much worse off. 

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Novelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.

Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country

He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.

How many goals did he concede ?

14 or so

And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them

Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.

I'm struggling to see what the criteria is. If goals conceded doesn't come into because they are the defence's fault, then presumably kick outs won don't come into either. Then is contribution to scores or what exactly is it?

Morgan is a brilliant keeper. Hughes is a level below but Hughes was a major factor in an all Ireland win and kept a previous years all star nominee out of a starting spot.

Morgan was a significant contributor to a team than underachieved.

For me if Armagh hadn't have had Hughes they wouldn't be All Ireland Champions. Had Tyrone not have had Morgan they wouldn't have finished much worse off. 

We don't know if that's true or not but if so, it is because Armagh don't have the luxury of replacing him with someone better. The panel picking the All Stars do.
You could make that case about every player on the Armagh team.
They fully deserved the All Ireland win but they didn't have the best 15 players in the championship.

[thebigfullforward]

For what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.

Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?

Was there a clearly more deserving man in his position who lost out? The goalkeeper one will probably stick out more given theres only one obviously, while forwards can be jigged around to suit

Well based on some Armagh fans logic it should have been someone that won the All Ireland that year

[Keyser soze]

A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.

For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.

Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.

[JoG2]

A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.

For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.

Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.

A real head pickler  . What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh. 

[Applesisapples]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

[Armagh18]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.

They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.

Same thing here.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

How could a player outside of Armagh get an All Star this year if that is the criteria?

[Keyser soze]

A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.

For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.

Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.

A real head pickler  . What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh. 

He's not  team player, everything he does and says confirms this.

Cluxton redefined  the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.

I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.

[thebigfullforward]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

Same reasoning should go to Enda Smith winning an All Star in 2023 then lol.

A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.

For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.

Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.

A real head pickler  . What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh. 

He's not  team player, everything he does and says confirms this.

Cluxton redefined  the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.

I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.

What keeper in Tyrone can come in and be a county standard keeper? And what does Morgan actually do on the field for ou to say he's not a team player? How many Tyrone games did you watch because if you watched any at all you'd see what Morgan does. Whilst our defenders were to busy walking up the pitch it was Morgan a good 80% of the time that drove the team forward e.g. his pass to Canavan vs Monaghan, should've had a goal vs Clare, scored from play and delivered a decent amount of ball into the ff line. So what does he do on the field to say he's not a team player exactly?

[Mario]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.

They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.

Same thing here.

I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo

[JoG2]

A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.

For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.

Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.

A real head pickler  . What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh. 

He's not  team player, everything he does and says confirms this.

Cluxton redefined  the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.

I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.

Seriously strange take

[Armagh18]

But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.

Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.

They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.

Same thing here.

I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo

Fair enough but if we're talking strictly ability wise/at their best.