All-Stars 2024

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Manning18

I think McCambridge had a super end to the year, especially his semi final performance, and think Armagh could legitimately have got a further all star. Conatys a shoe in for YPOTY also

But surely Conroy can't be topped in the POTY vote? He's a deep lying midfielder who was second top scorer from play in the entire championship (i.e basically every score was a boomer from afar). He could realistically have won MOTM in every game he played. If his teammates had kicked any small portion of missed frees or chances, then we'd be talking about one of the better all Ireland final man of the match performances of modern times

Done deal surely? The only way I could see him beat is Maher splitting his vote, but it'd still be surprising

Armagh18

Quote from: Manning18 on October 31, 2024, 03:52:22 PMI think McCambridge had a super end to the year, especially his semi final performance, and think Armagh could legitimately have got a further all star. Conatys a shoe in for YPOTY also

But surely Conroy can't be topped in the POTY vote? He's a deep lying midfielder who was second top scorer from play in the entire championship (i.e basically every score was a boomer from afar). He could realistically have won MOTM in every game he played. If his teammates had kicked any small portion of missed frees or chances, then we'd be talking about one of the better all Ireland final man of the match performances of modern times

Done deal surely? The only way I could see him beat is Maher splitting his vote, but it'd still be surprising
Toss up between Barry and Conroy. Just to counter, McCambridge marked 3 of the top forwards in the country from the quarters on and outscored all 3 from play. Wouldn't begrudge either man tbh and if we were to be put out next year I'd love to see Conroy win his All Ireland, super player.

Manning18

He didn't outscore Walsh from play, although he definitely won the matchup

Like i said, I think MCambridge had a super end to the year. I think given Conroys heroics in vain in the final, he at least matches him in the knockout stages and he obviously has a huge body of work before that

Armagh18

Quote from: Manning18 on October 31, 2024, 04:09:15 PMHe didn't outscore Walsh from play, although he definitely won the matchup

Like i said, I think MCambridge had a super end to the year. I think given Conroys heroics in vain in the final, he at least matches him in the knockout stages and he obviously has a huge body of work before that
Did Walsh not just get one from a free in final? Could be wrong but anyway McCambridge came out on top.

Anyway wouldn't begrudge Conroy the win and the other man not being mentioned, Maher was brilliant anytime I saw him as well, gets through some amount of a work and can take a score as well.

marty34

Has to be Paul Conroy for POTY.

He was super. A real leader for Galway.

tomjacks19

Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.



Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country


He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.


How many goals did he concede ?

14 or so

thebigfullforward

Quote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.



Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country


He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.


How many goals did he concede ?

14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them

RedHand88

Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.



Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country


He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.


How many goals did he concede ?

3 in the championship. All in 1 game, that bonkers Ulster quarter final against Cavan. Kept a clean sheet in the other 5 games including against Donegal twice. Pulled off some great saves all year. Well deserved.

JoG2

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2024, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.

But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.



Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country


He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.


How many goals did he concede ?

3 in the championship. All in 1 game, that bonkers Ulster quarter final against Cavan. Kept a clean sheet in the other 5 games including against Donegal twice. Pulled off some great saves all year. Well deserved.

Indeed.

Taylor

For what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.


JoG2

Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.



Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?

thebigfullforward

Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.


Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?

Taylor

Quote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2024, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.



Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?

The All Stars are given to players who played really well throughout the season.
We didnt get to the business end so how could he have demonstrated what he could do?

By this standard we could have a player from Leitrim/Antrim (no disrespect intended) score 10 pts a game but they dont get to the business end of the season.

Will they now be in the running for an All Star based on this?

JoG2

Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2024, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.



Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?

The All Stars are given to players who played really well throughout the season.
We didnt get to the business end so how could he have demonstrated what he could do?

By this standard we could have a player from Leitrim/Antrim (no disrespect intended) score 10 pts a game but they dont get to the business end of the season.

Will they now be in the running for an All Star based on this?

You're saying he wasn't the best because others played more games. Playing more games doesn't make someone a better player, was Morgan better this year than the other nominees, yes imo.

Armagh18

Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.

However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.

If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.

Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.


Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?
Was there a clearly more deserving man in his position who lost out? The goalkeeper one will probably stick out more given theres only one obviously, while forwards can be jigged around to suit