Ulster Club IFC and JFC 2024

[03,05,08]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

How is it not a fair comparison when division 1 teams are winning junior? Your logic is that there is no benefit to them playing division 1 league football and they are junior clubs, so surely there are division 3 league clubs who are at least challenging in senior championship? Other wise it would suggest at least intermediate level clubs are competing in your junior championship?

Killygarry are in division 2 because they have a lot of county players but recent senior championship finalists. The league in Cavan has no relevance because county players don't play it and this has been reflected in crowd sizes and attitudes. To align it with championship would be crazy. Junior and Intermediate standard clubs would end up in the Senior Championship getting hockeyed which already occurs. Arva are probably an exception to this because they had serious injuries and lads away but Knockbride have been junior for year and have put in huge effort underage. Teams get promoted often in league because they have no county u20 or senior players.

How many games are in the Cavan league?

[Dreadnought]

A few Cavan people on here are on the wind up. I know Cavan people who say the system is a joke.

Like a wee rural West Cavan club playing Knockbride in Junior after Knockbride playing Div. 1 league all year is certainly not fair.

No advantage at all. 

Why is the league not scrapped?

It's like a decent U14 A dropping down to U14B just to get silverware.

Every county misses their county men during the inter-county season so I'm not sure what the debate about having no county men is all about. Silly arguement. 

Now I do think that, all over Ireland, there are differences in club standards and maybe a Junior B etc. would be needed. Huge range of standards in different counties. But the way that it is currently no doubt is that three competitions are easier to manage etc. at provincial and AI level. 

It's really not like that at all. It just shows how much you don't understand this

Knockbride have been Junior for 15 years. They were unable to win Junior in all that time until a few weeks ago. So who's dropping down here? Or is this a long con over 15 years all to wind up a few lads on a message board? Come off it. You're looking at it backwards. They've ruined the League here. It's not the one to grade teams on, Championship is here

[Dreadnought]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

[ranch]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

[Dreadnought]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

How is it not a fair comparison when division 1 teams are winning junior? Your logic is that there is no benefit to them playing division 1 league football and they are junior clubs, so surely there are division 3 league clubs who are at least challenging in senior championship? Other wise it would suggest at least intermediate level clubs are competing in your junior championship?

Killygarry are in division 2 because they have a lot of county players but recent senior championship finalists. The league in Cavan has no relevance because county players don't play it and this has been reflected in crowd sizes and attitudes. To align it with championship would be crazy. Junior and Intermediate standard clubs would end up in the Senior Championship getting hockeyed which already occurs. Arva are probably an exception to this because they had serious injuries and lads away but Knockbride have been junior for year and have put in huge effort underage. Teams get promoted often in league because they have no county u20 or senior players.

How many games are in the Cavan league?

12 or 13 depending on teams in the League. All those played without county players during the inter county season. Playoffs and relegation games played with county players though

[mrdeeds]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

How is it not a fair comparison when division 1 teams are winning junior? Your logic is that there is no benefit to them playing division 1 league football and they are junior clubs, so surely there are division 3 league clubs who are at least challenging in senior championship? Other wise it would suggest at least intermediate level clubs are competing in your junior championship?

Killygarry are in division 2 because they have a lot of county players but recent senior championship finalists. The league in Cavan has no relevance because county players don't play it and this has been reflected in crowd sizes and attitudes. To align it with championship would be crazy. Junior and Intermediate standard clubs would end up in the Senior Championship getting hockeyed which already occurs. Arva are probably an exception to this because they had serious injuries and lads away but Knockbride have been junior for year and have put in huge effort underage. Teams get promoted often in league because they have no county u20 or senior players.

How many games are in the Cavan league?

12 or 13 depending on teams in the League. All those played without county players during the inter county season. Playoffs and relegation games played with county players though

Then walk overs are a thing too causing the league to be farcical this year, even more so than usual.

[general_lee]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

Darragh Cross got relegated to Division 4 for playing an ineligible player.

Glenn will be  Division 2 next year which is about their level.

Both examples exceptions to the rule.

[general_lee]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

[ranch]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

Darragh Cross got relegated to Division 4 for playing an ineligible player.

Glenn will be  Division 2 next year which is about their level.

Both examples exceptions to the rule.

The Darragh Cross one is fair enough. Still couldn't win division 4 though.

Glenn were relegated fair and square so they deserved to be in division 3 this year.

[Dreadnought]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

How is it not a fair comparison when division 1 teams are winning junior? Your logic is that there is no benefit to them playing division 1 league football and they are junior clubs, so surely there are division 3 league clubs who are at least challenging in senior championship? Other wise it would suggest at least intermediate level clubs are competing in your junior championship?

Killygarry are in division 2 because they have a lot of county players but recent senior championship finalists. The league in Cavan has no relevance because county players don't play it and this has been reflected in crowd sizes and attitudes. To align it with championship would be crazy. Junior and Intermediate standard clubs would end up in the Senior Championship getting hockeyed which already occurs. Arva are probably an exception to this because they had serious injuries and lads away but Knockbride have been junior for year and have put in huge effort underage. Teams get promoted often in league because they have no county u20 or senior players.

How many games are in the Cavan league?

12 or 13 depending on teams in the League. All those played without county players during the inter county season. Playoffs and relegation games played with county players though

Then walk overs are a thing too causing the league to be farcical this year, even more so than usual.

Exactly. The League this year was more of a farce than usual, and that's some going.

[Dreadnought]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

[general_lee]

I cannot believe the direction this thread has taken. It looks to me that the some Cavan posters are just in defence mode. How can such a system, regardless of where it is, make sense?
How can it be good for football in the county when the league provides most of your games in a season and people saying here that the tables are a load of bollocks anyway?

The league tables in most counties don't lie. Look at Tyrone football.  Yes, on rare occasions a team can avoid league relegation by winning a championship. Killyman did it a few years back when they were rooted to the bottom of Division 2 which is the intermediate league. Anyway, they came back down out of the Senior league and championship very quickly the following year. This for me is the exception that proves the rule, that demonstrates the logic of it.

What is it about this that is so alien to the Cavan posters here? To say that league and Championship are nothing to do with eachother is nonsense since both are about letting you know the standard you play at.

I asked a question on this thread about three weeks back. When was the last time a Division 3 team won the Cavan senior championship? Needless to say, I didn't get an answer.

There is no way this system can be serving Cavan football well.

Asking when the last time a division 3 team won senior in Cavan is not a fair comparison.

Asking when was the last time a division 3 team was senior would be a fairer comparison.

And the answer is I'm not sure but Denn came within one game of it last year.

I think some Down poster have said previously that there's division 3 teams competing in senior in down?

But I'm not familiar with there setup.

And your point on linking league to championship personally I wouldn't be a fan but maybe it's something that could be discussed

But this is the way it has always been in Cavan and every surrounding county to Cavan that I know of.

Glenn in Down were Div 3 and reached a senior semi final this year, beating teams in higher divisions along the way.

Darragh Cross were division 4 and reached an intermediate semi final.

Darragh Cross got relegated to Division 4 for playing an ineligible player.

Glenn will be  Division 2 next year which is about their level.

Both examples exceptions to the rule.

The Darragh Cross one is fair enough. Still couldn't win division 4 though.

Glenn were relegated fair and square so they deserved to be in division 3 this year.

DC slaughtered most teams, they got beat once by Dromara. Glenn went undefeated in the league.

[general_lee]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

So why don't Cavan just confine senior clubs to only playing other senior clubs in league? And same for intermediate and junior? Will clubs kick up a fuss because without their county players their team is actually closer to intermediate or junior standard?

[mrdeeds]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

So why don't Cavan just confine senior clubs to only playing other senior clubs in league? And same for intermediate and junior? Will clubs kick up a fuss because without their county players their team is actually closer to intermediate or junior standard?

You're suggesting a league without promotion and relegation because you don't like something the majority of counties in Ireland do.

[general_lee]

Like still no one can answer which of League without county players or Championship with county players is best.

You simply have to accept that League isn't it. They messed up our League here. That's what we're telling you. It's not a good judge of a teams level. It's why it's based exclusively on Championship. Knockbride win a first Championship in 24 years, after 15 years at Junior level and some clowns think they're actually Senior based on a messed up League system? Are you for real?

Does every club in Cavan have several county players?

No, but bulk of the Senior teams do. Hence a club might catch a Senior club in a League game, but be very off the pace in a Championship game

So why don't Cavan just confine senior clubs to only playing other senior clubs in league? And same for intermediate and junior? Will clubs kick up a fuss because without their county players their team is actually closer to intermediate or junior standard?

You're suggesting a league without promotion and relegation because you don't like something the majority of counties in Ireland do.

Where have I suggested that?
I just think it's silly that a club that is considered junior can take to the field and play a competitive match against a club that is considered senior.