Ulster Club IFC and JFC 2024

[Dreadnought]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

[general_lee]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

It's not the metric that anyone has put forward. The metric put forward is that somehow in Brefni-land supposed junior clubs can play in the same competition as senior clubs ie Division 1 of the league. It's like Clady playing Crossmaglen in Armagh or Brocagh playing Errigal in Tyrone - complete and utter mismatches and something that is utterly unheard of and would result in an absolute massacre on the scoreboard because you know, one team is actually senior and the other is actually junior.

The likes of Lavey, Ballinascreen & Swatragh being able to compete as "junior" hurling clubs at provincial level is absolutely diabolical.

[Brendan]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

It's not the metric that anyone has put forward. The metric put forward is that somehow in Brefni-land supposed junior clubs can play in the same competition as senior clubs ie Division 1 of the league. It's like Clady playing Crossmaglen in Armagh or Brocagh playing Errigal in Tyrone - complete and utter mismatches and something that is utterly unheard of and would result in an absolute massacre on the scoreboard because you know, one team is actually senior and the other is actually junior.

The likes of Lavey, Ballinascreen & Swatragh being able to compete as "junior" hurling clubs at provincial level is absolutely diabolical.

Lavey didn't get to play Ulster junior 2 years ago and Swatragh didn't even win it, Screen mightnt either

[Dreadnought]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

It's not the metric that anyone has put forward. The metric put forward is that somehow in Brefni-land supposed junior clubs can play in the same competition as senior clubs ie Division 1 of the league. It's like Clady playing Crossmaglen in Armagh or Brocagh playing Errigal in Tyrone - complete and utter mismatches and something that is utterly unheard of and would result in an absolute massacre on the scoreboard because you know, one team is actually senior and the other is actually junior.

The likes of Lavey, Ballinascreen & Swatragh being able to compete as "junior" hurling clubs at provincial level is absolutely diabolical.

But why is League higher ranked than Championship to you? These clubs are where they are on Championship. They get promoted and relegated on Championship form, not League games which aren't taken seriously. Honestly, is this hard to process?

Every few months the same sh1te here where you and a few others can't process this basic concept. Hardly as if the system is being gamed based on a few titles over the last few decades?

[ElJeffe]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

It's not the metric that anyone has put forward. The metric put forward is that somehow in Brefni-land supposed junior clubs can play in the same competition as senior clubs ie Division 1 of the league. It's like Clady playing Crossmaglen in Armagh or Brocagh playing Errigal in Tyrone - complete and utter mismatches and something that is utterly unheard of and would result in an absolute massacre on the scoreboard because you know, one team is actually senior and the other is actually junior.

The likes of Lavey, Ballinascreen & Swatragh being able to compete as "junior" hurling clubs at provincial level is absolutely diabolical.

But why is League higher ranked than Championship to you? These clubs are where they are on Championship. They get promoted and relegated on Championship form, not League games which aren't taken seriously. Honestly, is this hard to process?

Every few months the same sh1te here where you and a few others can't process this basic concept. Hardly as if the system is being gamed based on a few titles over the last few decades?

It's the fact you have junior champ team competing and playing senior champ teams in the league in Div 1 .. playing high quality opponents and winning these games. You are only as good as the level you play consistently.

Take for example Donegal .. would you let them play the Tailteann cup? Maybe let West Ham play the EFL Trophy?

Yea we understand the system but the system is broke if you have a team playing div 1 league and junior champ... there is something wrong with your system if that is happening! If you were a junior champ team playing in div 3 league and you have a div 1 league team playing ( senior league ) how is that fair ?

[Dreadnought]

Really begs the question what is the point in grading teams at all at any level, league or championship, if counties like Cavan and Derry send club winners that are clearly head and shoulders above the opposition.

I see Derry were at it in the hurling as well, f**king Ballinascreen junior my hole. I'm sure they were full value for their 32 point victory. The only junior standard clubs in Derry are Na Magha and maybe Coleraine.

Can you explain how Derry have sent junior and intermediate football teams who are too strong for that level. It has never happened in my experience but I only live in the county.

The football and hurling talk is getting mixed up in here, pretty sure he's referring to cavan football and derry junior hurling being too strong...

Can anyone explain how Cavan football is too strong though? All that's happened is 2 Ulsters in 3 years after none for over a decade. By that metric is any county who wins a few too strong? I don't get this narrative...

It's not the metric that anyone has put forward. The metric put forward is that somehow in Brefni-land supposed junior clubs can play in the same competition as senior clubs ie Division 1 of the league. It's like Clady playing Crossmaglen in Armagh or Brocagh playing Errigal in Tyrone - complete and utter mismatches and something that is utterly unheard of and would result in an absolute massacre on the scoreboard because you know, one team is actually senior and the other is actually junior.

The likes of Lavey, Ballinascreen & Swatragh being able to compete as "junior" hurling clubs at provincial level is absolutely diabolical.

But why is League higher ranked than Championship to you? These clubs are where they are on Championship. They get promoted and relegated on Championship form, not League games which aren't taken seriously. Honestly, is this hard to process?

Every few months the same sh1te here where you and a few others can't process this basic concept. Hardly as if the system is being gamed based on a few titles over the last few decades?

It's the fact you have junior champ team competing and playing senior champ teams in the league in Div 1 .. playing high quality opponents and winning these games. You are only as good as the level you play consistently.

Take for example Donegal .. would you let them play the Tailteann cup? Maybe let West Ham play the EFL Trophy?

Yea we understand the system but the system is broke if you have a team playing div 1 league and junior champ... there is something wrong with your system if that is happening! If you were a junior champ team playing in div 3 league and you have a div 1 league team playing ( senior league ) how is that fair ?

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

[tyroneStatto]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

[Dreadnought]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

[tyroneStatto]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

It's a discussion board and to answer your question the 2 competitions are close enough. Certainly close enough for a team not to be playing Junior.

[Dreadnought]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

It's a discussion board and to answer your question the 2 competitions are close enough. Certainly close enough for a team not to be playing Junior.

But which is the best grade of where a team is at?

[Wildweasel74]

The problem with Derry is there only about 10, if that hurling teams in the county. Alot of big clubs never tried to introduce hurling into their clubs. Derry should be running at least 20 Hurling clubs, but promotion in the county is diabolical.Ballinascreen to me would be a senior hurling team.

[ranch]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

I prefer the way Cavan organise their championships. League is based on league form and championship is based on championship form when clubs are at full strength. If other counties such as Armagh and Tyrone opt to link them then that's their choice. I don't like seeing clubs move up to a higher grade of championship without being able to win the lower grade first.

[general_lee]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

I'll give you a simple answer.

There are three grades in adult football: Senior, intermediate and junior.

What is the great difficulty with grading clubs accordingly? And what's the issue with grading them through both league (promotion/relegation) and championship?

[Dreadnought]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

I'll give you a simple answer.

There are three grades in adult football: Senior, intermediate and junior.

What is the great difficulty with grading clubs accordingly? And what's the issue with grading them through both league (promotion/relegation) and championship?

You didn't answer. Telling

They are graded accordingly. On Championship. Cavan have fucked their leagues up so many times that you can't trust it, but Championship is the constant over the years. You're promoted or relegated on Championship. Been that way for many decades. So why are you obsessed with the wrong competition here? You ignore the one which is the real judge here. Why?

[general_lee]

Simple question. Do you think League without county players is a higher grade than Championship with county players?

So if two Division 1 teams play each other in the league (any county) and have 1-2 county players each missing and the game ends a draw but come championship one of those teams is playing in the Junior Championship that's not an advantage for the Junior team having played against those other Division 1 players? If those 2 Division 1 teams played each other in the championship it's likely to be as tight is it not when the county players come back?

In the first four official seasons of Ulster Junior, Tyrone clubs won it 3 times and that was with Junior at the time really being the fourth tier in Tyrone with the 4 x 12 team Division format. Now with the Tyrone champions coming out of a 3 x 16 Division setup Ulster has become much harder to win instead of easier as other counties have been taking the piss this last last few years.

Know you're not who I asked, but can you not answer a simple question? Which has more weight on it?

I'll give you a simple answer.

There are three grades in adult football: Senior, intermediate and junior.

What is the great difficulty with grading clubs accordingly? And what's the issue with grading them through both league (promotion/relegation) and championship?

You didn't answer. Telling

They are graded accordingly. On Championship. Cavan have fucked their leagues up so many times that you can't trust it, but Championship is the constant over the years. You're promoted or relegated on Championship. Been that way for many decades. So why are you obsessed with the wrong competition here? You ignore the one which is the real judge here. Why?

So why don't Cavan demote the Arvas, Knockbrides etc of this world to the Junior league and there will be no ambiguity? If championship in Cavan is the gauge for where a team is at, overhaul the leagues to reflect that.

The only way a junior championship team could play a senior championship team in a competitive fixture in most counties is if the junior championship team isn't really junior to begin with.