All-Stars 2024

[imtommygunn]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.

[Look-Up!]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.

Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.

Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.

It hasn't always been like that!

Enda Smith got one last year.

[Spiderlegs]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

It would be 8 because the suggestion was for Grimley instead of Crealey.
For sure Morgan shouldn't be in and the easy selection is Blaine Hughes in nets.
A good case can be made for Aaron McKay but equally the 6 defenders selected all have their merits.

I think Armagh were deserving of 6 outfield players in one way or another and should also have had the goalkeeper.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

You can't leave Soupy out!

[thewobbler]

Hughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.

McKay should have got one.

Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.

Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.

TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.

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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.

[David McKeown]

I think it comes down to is the award to be given to the best player or the player who played best that year.

For me Hughes had a head shoulders better year than Morgan. He had more clean sheets. More games against better opposition at the business end of the championship. He was pivotal to Armagh with a higher percentage of own kick outs won than any other keeper.

That said I accept Morgan is a better player. If it's a case of give it to the best player then it's hard to see past Morgan for the next few all stars regardless of what anyone else does.

The other issue is why is only one goal keeper allowed when a player who for example didn't play full back gets the full back award.

[Mario]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

I wonder when they actually decide the awards. I did think the same about the Railway cup being a factor with Morgan. The focus in the build up and aftermath was about the role of the keeper and he was in the Media a lot that week. Also played well in the games too. Subconsciously it may have affected the people that vote on this.

I would also have put Grimley ahead of Crealey

[Look-Up!]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.

Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.

It hasn't always been like that!

Enda Smith got one last year.

I would class that as a strange one but at least there's a novelty factor in that his county hadn't got one in years and he has been a consistently good performer. Morgan already has one and done absolutely nothing of note this year. If it was his first then fair enough.

[David McKeown]

Hughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.

McKay should have got one.

Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.

Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.

TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.

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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.

Turbit was the top scorer from play in the all Ireland series and would likely have been nominated for player of the year had he had a good final.

Finnerty scored 4 points in 3 starts in Croke Park. If Turbit is undeserving then so is Finnerty.

Crealy was consistently good but not as influential as Grimley I felt. Agreed on McKay and Morgan.

I also think it's unfair to call the likes of McElroy and Grugan work houses I think they are excellent examples of what's needed in the modern game.

[thewobbler]

Em by stating Turbitt didn't deserve one, it doesn't mean Finnerty did.

[David McKeown]

Em by stating Turbitt didn't deserve one, it doesn't mean Finnerty did.

Fair point

[bennydorano]

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour

I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.

The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.

That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?

Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.

People losing the run of themselves here.

For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.

No, this was my selection below, quite reasonable

1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him

2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY

5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)

8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)

10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY

13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)

reckon Louth will defo get one

McKay & Hughes definitely deserving - over other Armagh selections, imo.

[Manning18]

Id have chosen Cillian McDaid significantly before either Finnerty or Turbitt. You're getting into the semantics of choosing a wing forward in the full forward line there of course, but not as if McDaids scoring return from play was worse in the latter stages. McDaids performance in defeating Dublin might've been the performance of the championship

Id probably have picked soupy before both those forwards also. I think McKay is particularly hard done by tbf. They likely wanted to get one Louth in there and he was the one to lose out. He might've got one over McGrath either. In saying that I don't think Lennon or McGrath are particularly undeserving either

[imtommygunn]

McGrath was fantastic and fully deserving of one. McDaid a good shout. Only Lennon in defense could have dropped out IMO.