Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[theskull1]

So help me get my logic straight given what you've said....

It makes complete logical sense for western leaders to support one group of people who are "fighting against a genocide", but in the same breath can support another group of people committing a genocide?

What code of ethics are we working with here?

[LC]

Ethics went out the window a long time ago when it comes to this conflict.

All we can hope for is that someday Netanyahu will have justice served on him.  No doubt there are different perspectives in what would be deemed justice but suffice to say history can not show that this absolute b*stard got away with what he has done. 

[Banks of the Bann]

So help me get my logic straight given what you've said....

It makes complete logical sense for western leaders to support one group of people who are "fighting against a genocide", but in the same breath can support another group of people committing a genocide?

What code of ethics are we working with here?

Let's first try to understand the logic you're applying in the first place -

1. The US is wrong is supporting Israel as they are committing genocide.

2. The US also support Ukraine therefore supporting Ukraine must also be wrong because the US are bad because see point 1.

Is that about it?

[theskull1]

Let's first try to understand the logic you're applying in the first place -

1. The US is wrong is supporting Israel as they are committing genocide.

2. The US also support Ukraine therefore supporting Ukraine must also be wrong because the US are bad because see point 1.

Is that about it?

OK I'll go first and then I'll await your response to my earlier reply 

1. "Wrong" is the wrong word. The US and every other western leader who even after a year of what we've all seen, continues to bend over to lick Israel's boot .... this tells me all I need to know about their complete lack of humanity and how much I should trust them. They are all demons in my book.   

2. Given all the goings on with US funding in Ukraine for the past 20 odd years, then its involvement in the 2014 coup, and more recently the NATO exercises taking place in Ukraine 2022 (right on the border no less ignoring Russians warnings) which has resulted in this war sparking up ... taking these things into consideration on their own left me very doubtful of the MSM narrative  .... BUT after what happening in the middle east and seeing the MSM hard pro Israel narrative being spun there .... I trust it even less. 


OK now your turn to respond to my question....

What code of ethics are you working with?

[Banks of the Bann]

Let's first try to understand the logic you're applying in the first place -

1. The US is wrong is supporting Israel as they are committing genocide.

2. The US also support Ukraine therefore supporting Ukraine must also be wrong because the US are bad because see point 1.

Is that about it?

OK I'll go first and then I'll await your response to my earlier reply 

1. "Wrong" is the wrong word. The US and every other western leader who even after a year of what we've all seen, continues to bend over to lick Israel's boot .... this tells me all I need to know about their complete lack of humanity and how much I should trust them. They are all demons in my book.   

2. Given all the goings on with US funding in Ukraine for the past 20 odd years, then its involvement in the 2014 coup, and more recently the NATO exercises taking place in Ukraine 2022 (right on the border no less ignoring Russians warnings) which has resulted in this war sparking up ... taking these things into consideration on their own left me very doubtful of the MSM narrative  .... BUT after what happening in the middle east and seeing the MSM hard pro Israel narrative being spun there .... I trust it even less. 


OK now your turn to respond to my question....

What code of ethics are you working with?

I assume you're asking me what code of ethics the US/EU have? None. They are hypocrites.

But your logic is still faulty. Just because they are hypocrites doesn't mean that they are wrong stopping Russia from committing genocide in Ukraine.

You've made a lot of statements in (2) above which need some clarification if one is to get some insight into your thinking.

1. What are the goings on with US funding in Ukraine you are referring to?
2. In what way was the revolution in 2014 in Ukraine a coup? Are you sure you know what a coup is?
3. NATO held exercises in Ukraine in 2022 right on Russia's border?

Thanks.

[Main Street]

Skull has his head stuck deep inside the Kremlin's ársehole.There's no logic when looking at life from that position  as that assumes having a world view so skewered as to be termed (useful) idiotic. But als, one of side effect of being wrapped up in Kremlin spiel is the person, wrapped their idiocy think they are so smart and everybody else are the idiots.
Therein lies one of the delusions.

[theskull1]

Shameful how you roll in behind these genocide enablers.

[Banks of the Bann]

Shameful how you roll in behind these genocide enablers.

I haven't seen a single person in this thread rolling in behind Israel or deny the culpability of the US in the genocide there.

I do, however, see you rolling in behind Russia by circulating their false narratives for their attempted genocide in Ukraine.

[theskull1]

Look up the difference between Explaining and Endorsing before providing evidence that I'm rolling behind Russia

That is such a low IQ claim meant only to ridicule/shutdown opinions different to your own.


BTW ... struggling to find unbiased information to substantiate the claim of a genocide in regard to Russia's actions. All I'm seeing is US/pro Israel sources making that accusation so you'll understand why I'm just not willing to trust anything they say (E.g. The Raoul Wallenberg Centre and the Helsinki Commission)?
Hoping you can help me find better sources.

[Milltown Row2]

Look up the difference between Explaining and Endorsing before providing evidence that I'm rolling behind Russia

That is such a low IQ claim meant only to ridicule/shutdown opinions different to your own.


BTW ... struggling to find unbiased information to substantiate the claim of a genocide in regard to Russia's actions. All I'm seeing is US/pro Israel sources making that accusation so you'll understand why I'm just not willing to trust anything they say (E.g. The Raoul Wallenberg Centre and the Helsinki Commission)?
Hoping you can help me find better sources.

I think its simple enough, without going all political or youtubing/twitter sites

Any country taking up arms and invading another country is wrong.

Or do you feel that Russia is helping people in Ukraine?

[Banks of the Bann]

Look up the difference between Explaining and Endorsing before providing evidence that I'm rolling behind Russia

That is such a low IQ claim meant only to ridicule/shutdown opinions different to your own.


BTW ... struggling to find unbiased information to substantiate the claim of a genocide in regard to Russia's actions. All I'm seeing is US/pro Israel sources making that accusation so you'll understand why I'm just not willing to trust anything they say (E.g. The Raoul Wallenberg Centre and the Helsinki Commission)?
Hoping you can help me find better sources.

Disseminating Russian propaganda narratives is not 'explaining' anything. Your so-called 'explaining' is nothing more than tacit endorsing.

Any Israeli could also 'explain' to us why Israel is forced to do such terrible things and claim not to endorse the genocide.

Your bullshit is the same as their bullshit. Apology for genocide and attempted genocide.

[Wildweasel74]

Who let the commie on the board?

[theskull1]

I think its simple enough, without going all political or youtubing/twitter sites

Any country taking up arms and invading another country is wrong.

Or do you feel that Russia is helping people in Ukraine?

I repeat ... explaining is not endorsing .... I've only been explaining that more nuance is needed to understand this conflict over and above the wests one side good other side bad narrative. And I've also said that it's more than likely that both sides are bad as they are both big big geo political players. The Ukrainian conscripts are piggy in the middle they are paying a very heavy price.

Simple enough .... Any country taking up arms and invading another country is wrong.
In principle absolutely .... sadly it gets murky very quick when regime change operations are the order of the day. Some people don't want to stare the truth in the eye but instead want to believe the simple thought that people leading the west are the good guys. 

United States involvement in regime change

We live in a very ugly world and I'm arguing that it's the west who appear to be doing all the egging towards WW3 ... controlling resources and financial systems is what this is all about 

[Banks of the Bann]

I think its simple enough, without going all political or youtubing/twitter sites

Any country taking up arms and invading another country is wrong.

Or do you feel that Russia is helping people in Ukraine?

I repeat ... explaining is not endorsing .... I've only been explaining that more nuance is needed to understand this conflict over and above the wests one side good other side bad narrative. And I've also said that it's more than likely that both sides are bad as they are both big big geo political players. The Ukrainian conscripts are piggy in the middle they are paying a very heavy price.

Simple enough .... Any country taking up arms and invading another country is wrong.
In principle absolutely .... sadly it gets murky very quick when regime change operations are the order of the day. Some people don't want to stare the truth in the eye but instead want to believe the simple thought that people leading the west are the good guys. 

United States involvement in regime change

We live in a very ugly world and I'm arguing that it's the west who appear to be doing all the egging towards WW3 ... controlling resources and financial systems is what this is all about 

It's quite clear your 'explaining is not endorsing' soundbite is just a grab from that mad German owl woman Krone-Schamlz. You must have thought it sounded so clever.

Both yourself and Krone-Schmalz are doing exactly that - endorsing/justifying/excusing.

The 'nuance' you bring to the conversation is nothing more than Russian propaganda narratives that they have used to justify their unjustifiable war. You're helping them with their dirty work.

You mention a 'regime change operation'. The 2014 Maidan revolution of dignity was a Ukrainian grassroots revolution. You keep calling it a coup. You don't even know what a coup is. It's a very specific thing.

You've never once acknowledged what Yanukovych did that sparked the protests. Have you even commented on it?

Your issue with Ukraine is that they are being backed by the west.

Save your crocodile tears as well, please. Don't come on here spreading Russian propaganda and then cry for the poor Ukrainians being murdered by them.

p.s. I notice your 'nuance' goes out the window when it comes to Israel/Palestine. Pro-Israelis would be full of 'nuance' though, won't they. It goes by another name - genocide apologia.

[theskull1]

The artist formally known as Gerry is all in on Zelensky and the Wests narrative. 

You can't be ethically principled over there and completely devoid of morals when it comes to Israel. These people cannot be trusted. You wouldn't have them about you in your everyday life. They're all one corrupt evil cabal in my book who don't care how many people have to die (maybe it'll be your sons or daughters soon) as long as they get control of natural resources.

Just keep questioning is what I'd recommend.

Lets just leave it at that and keep this thread on its main topic