Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Milltown Row2]

Who listens to the BBC as a source? 

[Horse Box]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

The point of it all is very clear. It's  an attempt to discredit Ukraine, the victim in this and forced to use conscription as a matter of survival.

No attempt to also highlight the use of 'pressgangs/kidnapping' or the unpopularity of conscription in Russia. That's Russia, the aggressor, who conscripts in order to invade to commit genocide.

It's all they've got left as the NATO, Nazis, coup/sandwich propaganda doesn't withstand any scrutiny whatsoever.

You are judged by the company you keep

https://x.com/i/status/1803726700162789468

[Wildweasel74]

Forced into the Army, its called conscription, every country in the world does it, when at a war footing.

[Gerard O’Neill]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

The point of it all is very clear. It's  an attempt to discredit Ukraine, the victim in this and forced to use conscription as a matter of survival.

No attempt to also highlight the use of 'pressgangs/kidnapping' or the unpopularity of conscription in Russia. That's Russia, the aggressor, who conscripts in order to invade to commit genocide.

It's all they've got left as the NATO, Nazis, coup/sandwich propaganda doesn't withstand any scrutiny whatsoever.

You will find it`s the same aggressor in ukraine as in the Middle East . . . . the USA . 9 Minutes into this will educate you people with the exception of a couple of Posters here who thankfully know what`s what   :

https://youtu.be/mULVrUGh6wo?si=WC8wzcE6anQMn2YF

Ah Jeffrey the oul spoofer, he says basically the same thing in every interview. He knows he can get away with because:

1. The person interviewing him probably doesn't know the topic in-depth or is a propagandist like Tucker Carlson.

2. His target audience is too lazy to fact check anything he says and will accept it all as fact.

Anyway, a kind chap has fact-checked a lot of the guff he spouted in the Carlson interview, you can read it here:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4727046-from-economist-to-kremlin-mouthpiece-the-troubling-transformation-of-jeffrey-sachs/

I'm so glad western MSM is so en vogue in this thread these days

His blunder about the KFOR base in Kosovo is a real beauty. What a spoofer!

Also, Jeffrey loves to cite Zbigniew Brzezinski's essay "The Grand Chessboard" as some sort of proof that there was a dastardly plan to bring NATO troops right up to Russia's border. The essay proposes nothing of the sort or even close. Again he must be relying on no-one having actually read it.

[Gerard O’Neill]

BBC , NBC and now this along with the Telegram evidence :

https://www.intellinews.com/ragozin-ukraine-s-mobilisation-public-support-vs-private-resistance-326999/

What is the point of this? There are always freeloaders, some people refused to get vaccinations. some people won't pay road tax, some people rip off GaaGo, and some people would like to live in Ukraine but prefer to let someone else defend them.

The point of it all is very clear. It's  an attempt to discredit Ukraine, the victim in this and forced to use conscription as a matter of survival.

No attempt to also highlight the use of 'pressgangs/kidnapping' or the unpopularity of conscription in Russia. That's Russia, the aggressor, who conscripts in order to invade to commit genocide.

It's all they've got left as the NATO, Nazis, coup/sandwich propaganda doesn't withstand any scrutiny whatsoever.

You are judged by the company you keep

https://x.com/i/status/1803726700162789468

That polite Ukrainian man Alex isn't keeping company with this fascist.

He is debating with him trying to make him see sense.

He is talking to a brick wall.

I know how he feels.

p.s. not surprised to hear McConnell is familiar with and repeats ridiculous Russian propaganda.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Isn't The Hill just the right wing equivalent of Grayzone?

It's a bit weird for a guy who (in his various iterations) pours scorn on alternative media to pin his case on a The Hill article.

"A 2017 study by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University found that The Hill was the second most-shared source among supporters of Donald Trump on Twitter during the election, behind Breitbart News."


"A February 2020 internal review by The Hill concluded that there were multiple flaws in Solomon's 14 columns about Ukraine and the Bidens, including omitting important details and failing to disclose that the sources used by Solomon were his own attorneys Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova—both close associates of Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani"

In 2022 The Hill made the news for censorship, when it refused to air a segment in its show Rising, and subsequently fired Katie Halper, for defending Rashida Tlaib calling Israel having an "apartheid government".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hill_(newspaper)

[Gerard O’Neill]

Isn't The Hill just the right wing equivalent of Grayzone?

It's a bit weird for a guy who (in his various iterations) pours scorn on alternative media to pin his case on a The Hill article.

"A 2017 study by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University found that The Hill was the second most-shared source among supporters of Donald Trump on Twitter during the election, behind Breitbart News."


"A February 2020 internal review by The Hill concluded that there were multiple flaws in Solomon's 14 columns about Ukraine and the Bidens, including omitting important details and failing to disclose that the sources used by Solomon were his own attorneys Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova—both close associates of Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani"

In 2022 The Hill made the news for censorship, when it refused to air a segment in its show Rising, and subsequently fired Katie Halper, for defending Rashida Tlaib calling Israel having an "apartheid government".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hill_(newspaper)

I'm not 'pinning my case' on The Hill.

That article is an opinion piece written by a member of the Ukrainian parliament, Oleh Dunda.

He has also written opinion pieces in the Kyiv Post, among others.

Is the Kyiv Post acceptable to you? Pro-Russian Horsebox loves to cite their articles.

Anyway, as for the contents of the article. Let's take NATO. I've already presented the fact that "not one inch" around NATO expansion referred to German reunification and that the Warsaw Pact still existed at that time so the possibility of the countries joining NATO wouldn't even be considered. Jeffrey just continues to repeat endlessly the same tired old misrepresentation.

I suggest you read Zbigniew Brzezinski's essay "The Grand Chessboard" from start to finish. Then listen to what Jeffrey Sachs has to say about it and you'll realise how full of **** he is.

Btw The Grayzone you are referring to is just a flat out Russian propaganda mill.

[Gerard O’Neill]

I can't figure out what motivates Jeffrey Sachs.

Maybe it's guilt over what 'Shock Therapy' did to Russia back in the 1990s. Probably destroyed more Russian lives than the Grand Dictator's 'SMO'.

Only he knows.

[theskull1]

Such a hard on for war and death ..... sickening

[Gerard O’Neill]

Such a hard on for war and death ..... sickening

Are you referring to me?

[Main Street]

More Horse Box dung,
it posts
Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

IMF??

Yale Insights

With 'Zero Visibility' into the Russian Economy, the IMF is Parroting Putin's Line

The International Monetary Fund is lacking the independent data to evaluate the state of Russia's economy. But rather than admitting ignorance, write Yale's Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, Stephen Roach, and Steven Tian, the IMF is accepting the Kremlin's statistics—and fueling pessimism about the impact of sanctions.



TIME Magazine

Why Is the IMF Pushing Putin's Economic Propaganda?

'Sadly, beneath the smoke and mirrors obfuscation, the IMF is doubling down on its own worst mistake. At the end of January 2023, the IMF recklessly made Russian projections in their World Economic Outlook which their economists admitted to us over the past year they simply do not have.'

'Furthermore, as we have demonstrated, the IMF economists privately admit that they have no basis to make such projections as they have covertly given Russia a pass on their membership obligation to provide comprehensive, timely, transparent, and verifiable data to the IMF'

[Horse Box]

"Who listens to the BBC as a source", The IMF are wrong , Jeffrey Sachs is wrong , Telegram is lying to you putting up "fake" Videos , The Washington Post is wrong .

Okay Lads , just repeating the same line about reliable News sources isn`t the way to discredit anything !

[Horse Box]

Ukrainians have had enough of the Narco Fuhrer and want an Election :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQmZdMDWUAUPwSZ?format=jpg&name=large

[Gerard O’Neill]

"Who listens to the BBC as a source", The IMF are wrong , Jeffrey Sachs is wrong , Telegram is lying to you putting up "fake" Videos , The Washington Post is wrong .

Okay Lads , just repeating the same line about reliable News sources isn`t the way to discredit anything !

All you do is post news from here or there.

You don't ever discuss the points being made - it's never crossed your mind to double check or question anything being said.

Have you read The Grand Chessboard' yet?

[Gerard O’Neill]

Ukrainians have had enough of the Narco Fuhrer and want an Election :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQmZdMDWUAUPwSZ?format=jpg&name=large

Let's assume that pic is authentic:  There are 40 Million Ukrainians. That's one flag, now gone. Who put it there?

Holding elections in the middle of a war during martial law? Don't think this one has any legs, better try something else.

How long has Putin been in power now in Russia.