Hurling 2024

[Milltown Row2]

You don't need the slo mo, they are throwing them

I've blown for throws and have asked to see the odd match I've done, what I've seen at the match is completely different to when I watched the slow mo.

They ended up as proper passes!

Like I said I'd love to see everyone of Lynch's passes, they all look like fouls

[Franko]

You don't need the slo mo, they are throwing them

I've blown for throws and have asked to see the odd match I've done, what I've seen at the match is completely different to when I watched the slow mo.

They ended up as proper passes!

Like I said I'd love to see everyone of Lynch's passes, they all look like fouls

The way the rules are defined is correct - and in that case almost all of Limerick's (and many others tbf) handpasses are fouls.

There's no need for a slow motion.

If the ref in real time doesn't see a 'clear striking action' it's a foul.  The onus is on the player to make a clear striking action.  Which few of them currently do.

This is like the black card debate all over again.  A clamour for rule changes when the rules (in this regard), if applied properly by referees, are perfectly fit for purpose.

[imtommygunn]

I agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.

[Saffrongael]

I agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.

They would soon knock it on the head

[imtommygunn]

Imagine the outrage. It'd be worse than the dublin donegal football match in 2011 

[Milltown Row2]

I agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.

They would soon knock it on the head

Like I said, I've watched it back over the years and while I didn't see clear hand pass when seeing it real time,  replayed backed it's a hand pass

[burdizzo]

As Franko said, if it's not obviously a clear striking action, then it's a foul.

[Milltown Row2]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

[Franko]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

Clearly not.

Only an absolute clown would assume that

If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul

Same for any infringement

But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow

In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free

And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown

[marty34]

Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.

Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.

The genie is out of the bottle.

[Milltown Row2]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

Clearly not.

Only an absolute clown would assume that

If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul

Same for any infringement

But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow

In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free

And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown

Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.

Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.

The genie is out of the bottle.

It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.

I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?

From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.

Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see

[johnnycool]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

Clearly not.

Only an absolute clown would assume that

If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul

Same for any infringement

But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow

In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free

And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown

Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.

Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.

The genie is out of the bottle.

It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.

I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?

From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.

Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see

With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.

[Milltown Row2]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

Clearly not.

Only an absolute clown would assume that

If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul

Same for any infringement

But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow

In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free

And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown

Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.

Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.

The genie is out of the bottle.

It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.

I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?

From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.

Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see

With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.

But apparently you can

[Franko]

Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.

So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?

Clearly not.

Only an absolute clown would assume that

If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul

Same for any infringement

But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow

In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free

And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown

Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.

Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.

The genie is out of the bottle.

It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.

I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?

From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.

Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see

With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.

Agreed - a bollox of a job

But there would still be a decent percentage that can be seen

It wouldn't take a lot to nip it in the bud - teams are coached to learn the referee - a couple of early ones blown and that puts it to bed for the rest of the game

The big issue with implementing this will be to get all referees to police it the same - which is nigh on impossible, but no different than any other rule in the book I suppose

Referees also need to be clear on the rule itself

Forgive my wording here

But too many of them seem to think they are looking for the 'presence of a throw' but they are actually looking for the 'absence of a definite striking action'

[Milltown Row2]

The wording is spot on. implementing it and dealing with the protests of players, sidelines, management and supporters who, from further away than the ref can see it better!

I'm not sure at coaching level people are coaching kids to throw the ball, I've never seen it or spoke to coaches who would say its part of their coaching.

The players take it on, they watch the games and think they can get away with and in a lot of games probably are.

As for the ref's they aint robots and they will all interpret the rules slightly differently, sure if they can't even get VAR right after multiple views in a professional sport its gives you an idea on how, in a sport that is going at a faster pace