The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[BrotherMore6592]

It is a joke of a league though in fairness

I get it - they can only beat what's in front of them . But apart from die hards and actual Scottish fans who watches the Scottish league from week to week? It's awful.

I stand by the point that I think Celtic and rangers would probably get relegated from the English championship after a season.

It's a shame because some big players did become drawn to Celtic / rangers over the years but that seems to have waned now.

You obviously dont watch much of Scottish or English Championship football!

You obviously don't have a clue either

Deluded bhoy army

[lenny]

The only thing keeping any interest in this league it the Celtic Rangers sectarian rivalry. Nobody is watching for the quality of the football or the quality of the competition.

Both Celtic and Rangers would immediately be top half of the overrated epl even without the injection of tv money.  With tv money Celtic would be in the top 4 without a doubt. They have fans all over the world. Just last year Rangers reached the final of the europa league and were only beaten on penalties. The epl representatives who were good enough to be top 6 in england fell by the wayside beaten by better teams from so called lesser leagues.

[Main Street]

4 year contract for Spurs, that is a statement itself. Celtic's penny pinching love of short-term or rolling manager contracts backfires shocker.

We find ourselves in the mire pretty quickly, unless there's a succession plan in place for Kennedy. Ange a big fan of his.

It would not have made much difference now had Celtic given a 4 year contract to Ange. He was on a 1 year rolling contract, that means there is always 12 months left on his contract.
Instead of Spurs paying 2 years SPL managerial salary, they only had to pay Celtic for  the  12 remaing months.
In any event, I think Celtic did offer him 3 years  at the end of his first year but Ange preferred to roll.
Same  outcome though with the 3 year contract, small difference.

[seafoid]

The standard in the English championship is significantly above the SPL.

Celtic can only beat the teams in front of them. But would the bottom half of the SPL survive a season in the English championship? And if relegated from it would they bounce back?

Celtic isn't the problem. It's Scottish football that's the problem.

The bit that baffles me is those that say Celtic or Rangers are a big as large English sides and would thrive in England if only they had access to the money. Whilst I can see the appeal of that argument it fails to address the point that Celtic/Rangers are not in the EPL, they don't have access to the money and therefore the players and don't play against the quality of opposition. The product people are watching is not the team that Celtic/Rangers could be or the contests they could be involved in in some theoretical future. It's the Celtic/Rangers of today. Mediocre players in mediocre teams battering utterly useless teams.

But yes. If run well and granted access to the EPL Celtic or Rangers could ride high like Newcastle or if run badly could be a Leeds. But they are stuck where they are and I can't see why anybody pays them any notice. It's not as if there isn't a better quality product available just as easily.

Soccer is all about money.  Celtic and Rangers have players worth 120m. West Brom have players worth 60m.

[ned]

It is a joke of a league though in fairness

I get it - they can only beat what's in front of them . But apart from die hards and actual Scottish fans who watches the Scottish league from week to week? It's awful.

I stand by the point that I think Celtic and rangers would probably get relegated from the English championship after a season.

It's a shame because some big players did become drawn to Celtic / rangers over the years but that seems to have waned now.

You obviously dont watch much of Scottish or English Championship football!

You obviously don't have a clue either

Deluded bhoy army

You opined that Celtic would be relegated from the Championship if they played there. No way of proving that as Celtic do not play Championship teams competitively. Have played them in friendlies and beaten most but that counts for nothing. My belief that you are wrong is down to our games against certain teams in Europe who would be a level above English championship.

[smelmoth]

The standard in the English championship is significantly above the SPL.

Celtic can only beat the teams in front of them. But would the bottom half of the SPL survive a season in the English championship? And if relegated from it would they bounce back?

Celtic isn't the problem. It's Scottish football that's the problem.

The bit that baffles me is those that say Celtic or Rangers are a big as large English sides and would thrive in England if only they had access to the money. Whilst I can see the appeal of that argument it fails to address the point that Celtic/Rangers are not in the EPL, they don't have access to the money and therefore the players and don't play against the quality of opposition. The product people are watching is not the team that Celtic/Rangers could be or the contests they could be involved in in some theoretical future. It's the Celtic/Rangers of today. Mediocre players in mediocre teams battering utterly useless teams.

But yes. If run well and granted access to the EPL Celtic or Rangers could ride high like Newcastle or if run badly could be a Leeds. But they are stuck where they are and I can't see why anybody pays them any notice. It's not as if there isn't a better quality product available just as easily.

really?

Well not any football reason why they would pay them any notice

You are commenting on something you obviously dont know much about. Every home game you will have several thousand supporters from outside Scotland going to see Celtic.

I do t think your post makes any sense.

I'm fully aware of people travelling from outside Scotland. But that doesn't address any of the points I was making.

[seafoid]

Scottish soccer is in a trough due to the money imbalance with the EPL. Things like this are never permanent. It goes in cycles.
In the late 90s Mark Hateley and Trevor Steven played with Rangers when the gap was narrower. 

[An Watcher]

Half the England start team were rangers,butcher, Steven, Stevens, Hateley, Woods,

[Main Street]

The standard in the English championship is significantly above the SPL.

Celtic can only beat the teams in front of them. But would the bottom half of the SPL survive a season in the English championship? And if relegated from it would they bounce back?

Celtic isn't the problem. It's Scottish football that's the problem.

The bit that baffles me is those that say Celtic or Rangers are a big as large English sides and would thrive in England if only they had access to the money. Whilst I can see the appeal of that argument it fails to address the point that Celtic/Rangers are not in the EPL, they don't have access to the money and therefore the players and don't play against the quality of opposition. The product people are watching is not the team that Celtic/Rangers could be or the contests they could be involved in in some theoretical future. It's the Celtic/Rangers of today. Mediocre players in mediocre teams battering utterly useless teams.

But yes. If run well and granted access to the EPL Celtic or Rangers could ride high like Newcastle or if run badly could be a Leeds. But they are stuck where they are and I can't see why anybody pays them any notice. It's not as if there isn't a better quality product available just as easily.

really?

Well not any football reason why they would pay them any notice

You are commenting on something you obviously dont know much about. Every home game you will have several thousand supporters from outside Scotland going to see Celtic.

I do t think your post makes any sense.

I'm fully aware of people travelling from outside Scotland. But that doesn't address any of the points I was making.

The SPL is ranked 9th in European coefficients and that's about right, there's  a bit of a gap to get inside the top 8. However, Celtic as a club are among the elite, re fan base, match attendance, diaspora, club ethos, tradition,  same with Rangers, only a few clubs in the EPL could compete with Celtic & Rangers on those terms,  money and EPL standing does not elevate a club such as Newcastle above Rangers and Celtic.

[Applesisapples]

If you don't like the SPL don't watch it. The PL would be shite if it wasn't for the foreign money and Sky/BT funds bringing in players fro around the world. Ange just proved that he is motivated by money and that's his prerogative so much for we never quit. Fair play to him though he will earn more at Tottenham in 2 years than he would have earned at Celtic in the next 4 which was probably his limit. He's a professional manager with little or no emotional attachment.

[statto]

If you don't like the SPL don't watch it. The PL would be shite if it wasn't for the foreign money and Sky/BT funds bringing in players fro around the world. Ange just proved that he is motivated by money and that's his prerogative so much for we never quit. Fair play to him though he will earn more at Tottenham in 2 years than he would have earned at Celtic in the next 4 which was probably his limit. He's a professional manager with little or no emotional attachment.

What would Ange have been on at Celtic vs what he would get at Spurs?  While he got the spurs job by default, the fact he plays a decent brand of football may get him some buy in from Spurs fans certainly initially.  Conte/Mourinho were brought in as serial winners and couldn't get the job done and there was frustrations around the style of play.  Can see this playing out as "sure he only won in Scotland should never have got the job etc" similar to Gerrard when things went belly up at Villa as Spurs would appear to be a poison chalice. 

If he didn't take the chance with Spurs he could have been accused of lack of ambition?  What is the glass ceiling for a Celtic Manager?

Celtic supporters responded in a similar fashion when Rodgers left slating manager who had did a great job. 

[NAG1]

There is nothing for me to suggest that he won't be a success at Spurs. He completely reset the culture at Celtic in a very short space of time. He worked to a very clear system that the players were expected to buy into. He wanted to play from the back and play with an intensity.

All of these things will be welcomed by Spurs fans. Whether or not he can be as successful in the transfer market at a higher level remains to be seen, especially since spurs don't have a DOF in place any more.

I can get why Celtic fans are a bit aggrieved but don't think anyone would begrudge him a crack at a top 6 team in the best league around.

[tonto1888]

If you don't like the SPL don't watch it. The PL would be shite if it wasn't for the foreign money and Sky/BT funds bringing in players fro around the world. Ange just proved that he is motivated by money and that's his prerogative so much for we never quit. Fair play to him though he will earn more at Tottenham in 2 years than he would have earned at Celtic in the next 4 which was probably his limit. He's a professional manager with little or no emotional attachment.

What would Ange have been on at Celtic vs what he would get at Spurs?  While he got the spurs job by default, the fact he plays a decent brand of football may get him some buy in from Spurs fans certainly initially.  Conte/Mourinho were brought in as serial winners and couldn't get the job done and there was frustrations around the style of play.  Can see this playing out as "sure he only won in Scotland should never have got the job etc" similar to Gerrard when things went belly up at Villa as Spurs would appear to be a poison chalice. 

If he didn't take the chance with Spurs he could have been accused of lack of ambition?  What is the glass ceiling for a Celtic Manager?

Celtic supporters responded in a similar fashion when Rodgers left slating manager who had did a great job.

Slightly different with Rodgers given he left us in the lurch mid season

[statto]

If you don't like the SPL don't watch it. The PL would be shite if it wasn't for the foreign money and Sky/BT funds bringing in players fro around the world. Ange just proved that he is motivated by money and that's his prerogative so much for we never quit. Fair play to him though he will earn more at Tottenham in 2 years than he would have earned at Celtic in the next 4 which was probably his limit. He's a professional manager with little or no emotional attachment.

What would Ange have been on at Celtic vs what he would get at Spurs?  While he got the spurs job by default, the fact he plays a decent brand of football may get him some buy in from Spurs fans certainly initially.  Conte/Mourinho were brought in as serial winners and couldn't get the job done and there was frustrations around the style of play.  Can see this playing out as "sure he only won in Scotland should never have got the job etc" similar to Gerrard when things went belly up at Villa as Spurs would appear to be a poison chalice. 

If he didn't take the chance with Spurs he could have been accused of lack of ambition?  What is the glass ceiling for a Celtic Manager?

Celtic supporters responded in a similar fashion when Rodgers left slating manager who had did a great job.

Slightly different with Rodgers given he left us in the lurch mid season

Fair enough. 

[tyroneStatto]

If you don't like the SPL don't watch it. The PL would be shite if it wasn't for the foreign money and Sky/BT funds bringing in players fro around the world. Ange just proved that he is motivated by money and that's his prerogative so much for we never quit. Fair play to him though he will earn more at Tottenham in 2 years than he would have earned at Celtic in the next 4 which was probably his limit. He's a professional manager with little or no emotional attachment.

What would Ange have been on at Celtic vs what he would get at Spurs?  While he got the spurs job by default, the fact he plays a decent brand of football may get him some buy in from Spurs fans certainly initially.  Conte/Mourinho were brought in as serial winners and couldn't get the job done and there was frustrations around the style of play.  Can see this playing out as "sure he only won in Scotland should never have got the job etc" similar to Gerrard when things went belly up at Villa as Spurs would appear to be a poison chalice. 

If he didn't take the chance with Spurs he could have been accused of lack of ambition?  What is the glass ceiling for a Celtic Manager?

Celtic supporters responded in a similar fashion when Rodgers left slating manager who had did a great job.

Slightly different with Rodgers given he left us in the lurch mid season

It would have been more than mid season when he left as it was around the end of Feb/start of March when he left I think.  He only had to see out another couple of months to keep his legend status at Celtic.