Right, time to look forward to the wide open expanse of Croke after that claustrophobic cauldron of Clones - bring it on! :)
This has the possibility of being a great double header of Tyrone V Mayo followed by Dublin V donegal
Yeah hopefully we take off the shackles a bit now and don't focus so much on the defensive side of things.
A quarterfinal can be a tricky game when you haven't played for 3 weeks and a qualifier team comes at you all guns blazing having won 3 or 4 games on the run.
Mayo looked to have got their hunger back last week against Kildare but I wouldn't be writing off Cork either.
I wonder will we see a change of tact with Mickey now that the Ulster war is over. Could he see this a a time to bring younger Brennan into the team.
Am I right to say there are 6 sets of brothers in the squad?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-galway-and-tyrone-s-rise-adds-spice-to-championship-1.2727684
For Mickey Harte's team it closes the book on a difficult period. Six years ago they got relegated for the first time in his managerial reign, a setback that ran counter to all his teachings on the importance of playing at as high a level as possible.
There was a symbolic importance in that relegation because it was confirmed by a home defeat against Dublin and in retrospect marked the start of divergent pathways for both counties. The Brogans dismantled Tyrone that day while the defence was held together impressively in their first season together by club mates Rory O'Carroll and Cian O'Sullivan at full back and centre back, respectively.
Only the league? It appeared so after Dublin's new-fangled defensive structure fell apart against Meath that summer and Tyrone dusted off a fourth Ulster title of the Harte era. But when their paths crossed again the league form held.
Since then Dublin have won three All-Irelands whereas Tyrone couldn't even win their province. That they did last weekend was the cause of significant celebration.
Harte in that time has become more philosophical about the league, a competition in which he placed great store in the heyday of his early management, but he is on the record as saying that he feels his team is a Division One outfit and it will be a surprise if they don't put a stop to the yo-yo existence of this decade.
Indeed, 6 sets of brothers on the panel which must be a rare stat in the modern era.
I would love to see Lee Brennan get a chance to shine in Croke Park but he doesn't seem to be in the equation whatsoever. We know from experience that Mickey Harte isn't afraid to throw in his young stars so unfortunately for Lee it looks like 2016 isn't going to be a runner for him.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2016, 10:31:38 AM
A quarterfinal can be a tricky game when you haven't played for 3 weeks and a qualifier team comes at you all guns blazing having won 3 or 4 games on the run.
Definitely something in this alright, from a Tyrone perspective anyway. We've lost two of our last three quarter finals coming in as champions (Dublin 10, Meath 07), only getting over the line against Kildare in '09 before losing to Cork. It's something I'm sure Mickey is wary of.
Ulster is all blanket so we don't know how good Throne are with fellas running at them. Do we?
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
Ulster is all blanket so we don't know how good Throne are with fellas running at them. Do we?
After winning the D2 League.. Tyrone have only won a poor D2 league, we don't know how good they really are.
After beating Derry.. Tyrone have only beaten a poor Derry side, we don't know how good they really are.
After beating Cavan.. Tyrone have not met a Division one side, we don't know how good they really are.
Quote from: GJL on July 20, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
Ulster is all blanket so we don't know how good Throne are with fellas running at them. Do we?
After winning the D2 League.. Tyrone have only won a poor D2 league, we don't know how good they really are.
After beating Derry.. Tyrone have only beaten a poor Derry side, we don't know how good they really are.
After beating Cavan.. Tyrone have not met a Division one side, we don't know how good they really are.
Fast forward 2 months.
...
...
...
After beating Dublin..Tyrone have only beaten a Dublin B team with half their defence missing, we don't know how
good they really are.
I don't think too many sensible Tyrone fans are getting carried away with looking at the Dubs just yet but as we know a lot of these lads are young and inexperienced. Saying that they gained good experience last year v Kerry and they all trust in the system they play now.
Whilst it would be nice for us fans to see them play less defensively at times, we know it works well and maybe with us playing in Div 2 this year could benefit us as Mayo/Westmeath or Cork won't know as well what to expect.
What I liked so much about the match on Sunday was that we went 4 points down to a side who are very good at closing games out and we still turned it around and one by 2. That shows character and belief.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
Ulster is all blanket so we don't know how good Throne are with fellas running at them. Do we?
There's a truth in this alright. As much as I think Tyrone have enough good players to make the difference against the top sides, if Tyrone lose to Mayo and Donegal also bow out (as well as Derry) before the semis then there'll be some post mortem about the real state of Ulster football.
We'll know in 3 weeks anyway.
Tyrone are set up for fellas running at them. From what I've seen of Mayo this year, I don't see much pace. I would more fear the fact that Mayo would be battle-hardened and exude that never-say-die(well...almost) attitude.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 20, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
This has the possibility of being a great double header of Tyrone V Mayo followed by Dublin V donegal
That would be excellent but Dublin should play first so that they would have to tog out in the Cusack Stand dressing rooms cos they would be well fcuked then :P (related topic in another thread)
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Thanks and im not saying we will beat tyrone for sure and thats if we beat westmeath also but its nice to be finally getting some recognition for a fantastic side who have yet to lie down for any team in croker.
Rochford is a very shrewd manager and all this tweaking that people are seeing as a weakness albeit it wasnt planned to lose to galway is all geared for qf stage . Anybody thay has followed mayo these last few years will have taken great heart in the solid up in intensity in the tackle v kildare. Mcgloughlin, higgans ans boyler were nearly back to their best which is very encouraging . Full back line is a problem area esp with caff and barrett out but i can now see why we are trying to perfect mcgloughlin into a sweeper role because of this. (took me a while to get my head around tbh) . Hopefully barrett is back for qf if we manage wm.
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Would also prefer Cork too even though we've never beaten Cork in the Championship.
This is a real banana skin. Getting nervous already
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
This is a real banana skin. Getting nervous already
Although I suppose this is the way it should be. All 8 counties in the quarters should be good enough to beat each other.
Mayo have already tasted defeat this year and that can be a good thing for them. Tyrone haven't lost a game since the Kerry game last August but the way they fought like demons to hold onto that on Sunday shows they're not nervous either. It would be a humdinger.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Would also prefer Cork too even though we've never beaten Cork in the Championship.
We have only ever played them twice though. I think Tyrone could handle this particular Cork team ok but Mayo I'm not so sure.
The standards Tyrone boss Mickey Hart asks of a player are those he sets as a manager
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By Peter Canavan
22/07/2016
The all-too-brief heatwave this week reminded me of one of the few disagreements I had with Mickey Harte when I was playing.
It was on a training camp before the 2004 All-Ireland quarter-final. Temperatures were soaring and we were staying in a Dublin hotel, but we weren't seeing much of the sun.
Mickey and his management team had decided to bring in a sports psychologist and inside a darkened room we were subjected to what I can only describe as excruciating, meandering droning - when all we wanted to do was go out and kick ball.
My head was fried and I could see all around me boys were tearing their hair out. After about the third session, the players and (Brian) Dooher, as captain, went to Mickey with a plea for the talking to stop. When Mickey was told, he didn't like it one bit, but he relented and we got our way.
What Mickey didn't realise that it was him we wanted to hear and not anyone else, regardless of all their qualifications. As far as I was concerned, Mickey Harte is the best sport psychologist I've ever listened to. Mickey has a mantra that has been in my head ever since my first year being managed by him. These 24 words perfectly sum up what he demands of his players and the man himself - Mr Persistent.
"Persistence is awesome, it is absolutely awesome - it is this that takes an average performer of average ability and moulds him into a champion."
The quote comes from someone that most of you probably have never heard of - George Zalucki, who has been used by companies worldwide as a personal development trainer. That's all I know of George, thankfully I know a bit more about Mickey.
Our family homes are separated by just three fields in Glencull, Co Tyrone, but I was in the 'autumn of my career' before I first came under his management. Fortunately, he made it a golden autumn.
Having been involved in successful Tyrone minor and U-21 teams, he took over as manager of our club Errigal Ciaran at the start of 2002 and by the end of the year, we were both county and Ulster champions. Mickey then became Tyrone senior manager and the following September, I was lifting the Sam Maguire in front of a sea of white and red in Croke Park. The stuff of dreams.
A decade earlier, I had played alongside him on the Errigal senior team. He was entering his forties and was Tyrone minor manager at the time, but he still wanted to play with the club. There was an underlying reason - for eight years, there was no football in our parish over a bitter dispute with the county board and when the club got going again in 1990, Mickey was determined to make up for lost time. Just three years later, Errigal won the Tyrone senior championship and went on to become the first Tyrone team to win an Ulster club with 41-year-old Mr Persistent a sub on the team. While these two medals took an awful long time to get, I know how dearly he holds them.
So what makes him such a great manager, over such a long time? Well, there are many characteristics that make up the man, but from a player's point of view, the one that instantly grabs you and remains a constant is that he practises what he preaches. The standards he asks of you as a player are the standards he sets as a manager.
And as a player, he constantly wants you to think for yourself. For example, if he's looking back at something a player did wrong on a DVD of a game, he won't tell the player 'you should never do anything like that'; instead, he will ask the player 'what do you think you could have done better?'
His positivity is infectious. I always looked forward to what he had to say at the end of the last training session on the pitch and our team meeting prior to championship matches. You'd have 30 fellas around in a huddle but there'd be complete silence and we'd all hang on his every word. The team talk wouldn't last long, but the words would be chosen carefully, delivered calmly and received enthusiastically. You'd float off the pitch when he was finished and speaking to current players, I know this still holds true.
The training, itself, was not rocket science but the emphasis from him is always on quality. When I was playing, Mickey did the sessions (that has changed a bit since but the underlying principles haven't). They never lasted more than one hour, and 99pc of it was done with the ball. The drills were short, sharp and at pace, but the one thing he'd always want is for you to do them at the highest possible standards. There's a saying that you "should always train as you want to play, and play as you want to be remembered" and that is very much his philosophy.
If he wasn't getting 'all or nothing' from the players in training, he wouldn't be long about calling in the group and letting everyone know, in the strongest possible terms, that they were letting nobody down but themselves. I can tell you he can bark with the best of them!
I often laugh when I hear commentators describe him as the paragon of serenity on the sideline. Trust me, this is something which has not come naturally to him. When I see him, I know that inside the calm exterior he is kicking every ball and cursing every dodgy refereeing decision.
Back in his playing days, if there was a Vesuvius erupting on the pitch, the lava would be spilling from Mickey. But as a manager he soon learned that he couldn't afford to be dragged into sideline rows. His focus had to stay entirely on the team.
It's only through pure dogged 'persistence' that he has learned keep his head when all about are losing theirs and we saw the benefits for Tyrone in Clones last Sunday. At half-time, the verbals were coming hot and heavy from the Donegal dug-out, but Mickey didn't bat an eyelid, turned his heel for the dressing-room and just concentrated on getting his players right for the second half.
A great urban myth developed during the noughties about how Tyrone had developed the knack of 'stopping Kerry from playing'. Now I know people won't believe me, but there was no discussion about disrupting their kick-out or targeting certain players such as The Gooch. Mickey's way was to tap into the nervous energy and make it positive energy. There was certainly no paralysis by analysis of the opposition. He was always telling players they were only going to win by getting the best out of themselves, and by the time we got on the field, we'd be 10 feet tall.
Apart from radiating positive energy, perhaps Mickey's greatest attribute is ability to reinvent himself as a manager. I know he reads a lot about managers from other sports and other countries, and he is always willing to learn, keen to embrace new ideas. Back in the nineties, players were attending games in shirts and ties - now, instead of travelling in tracksuits, the Tyrone fellas are getting off the bus dressed in the finest clothes courtesy of Cuba Clothing. He wants his players to look the part and play the part.
That shows in the current Tyrone set-up. It's not that long ago that disgruntled players were leaving the squad and he was also coming under pressure from sections of the county board after some poor performances. But he took a step back and shook things up in his own inimitable way - the appointment of Gavin 'Horse' Devlin as trainer and former All-Ireland winner, Peter Donnelly, as strength and conditioning coach being a prime example of how he was prepared to take something new on board.
These are the reasons why he has three All-Ireland SFC titles in the bag, which is some achievement considering the trials and tribulations he has endured: the tragic loss of his daughter, Michaela; the sudden death of two young players, Cormac McAnallen and Paul McGirr; being subjected to a torrent of abuse from a section of supporters for playing his son, Mark; a row with the national broadcaster; a stand-off with his own county board executive over the demands of the team sponsor; and then having to deal with serious illness last year.
This time 12 months ago, he had to have surgery during Tyrone's run in the qualifiers. Yet, he defied doctor's advice to get out of his sick-bed in order to attend team meetings and, despite being clearly unwell for the game against Tipperary, his sheer willpower ensured he made it on the sideline in Thurles. It is this type of persistence that leaves many in awe and I'm sure it will ultimately mould his players into All-Ireland champions for a fourth time
You'd normally have to die to receive a "eulogy" like that. Simplicity seems to be the essence of Mickey Harte. A lot to learned here for club and county managers obsessed with psychology, "systems" and self. The parallels with Brian Cody are remarkable. Great piece of insight by Peter Canavan.
What's the craic regarding tickets for this game, will they not be available until the qualifier winners are known? Surely this will sell out with Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo/Donegal likely opponents.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 24, 2016, 11:47:43 PM
What's the craic regarding tickets for this game, will they not be available until the qualifier winners are known? Surely this will sell out with Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo/Donegal likely opponents.
If it's Mayo and Donegal, there will be hardly any tickets for Sale to the Public. Last year Mayo/Dublin on their own was Mayhem. It was like an AI final trying to get tickets. I'm sure all 4 counties have high Season ticket sales. Mayo and Dublin are the market leaders in regards Season tickets. Bad Management by Croker not to put the Dubs on their own on a stand alone fixture.
Is there not a hurling SF the following day?
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:58:50 PM
Is there not a hurling SF the following day?
Yes!
Is that not the reason so?
Quote from: Zulu on July 25, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Is that not the reason so?
Yes! Bad Management by Croker not to put the Dubs on their own on a stand alone fixture. You would not have had to be Einstein to know Dublin would make the Quarter finals as Leinster Champions. And thus the date would be almost 100% known when the fixtures list was drawn up! A bit bit of tweaking here and there would have sorted the fixture out.
Jesus FtB think about this a bit!! You can't make fixtures for the biggest competition in Ireland on the basis that favourites will make a certain stage. Please put up your fixtures for next year's championship and sit back and watch people tear it to shreds, especially after the winner of certain fixtures are known (an advantage you hadn't when making the fixtures).
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Would also prefer Cork too even though we've never beaten Cork in the Championship.
The concept of a team that is owned by Mayo is interesting. Mayo cannot beat Kerry. Kerry cannot beat Tyrone. And Tyrone cannot beat Mayo?
Dublin have played double header quarter finals now for the last 5 or 6 years and I don't think any of them have sold out, around 70,000 may have been the highest attendance. So you wouldn't necessarily need to plan to play them on their own. It does look like a double header though that will have lots of interest and you'd imagine sell out or come very close to it. There's always a bit less demand for a quarter final than a semi final so couldn't totally base demand on last years semi between Dublin and Mayo especially as Mayo have already lost in the championship this year. Tyrone Mayo and Dublin Donegal would be a great double header.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Would also prefer Cork too even though we've never beaten Cork in the Championship.
The concept of a team that is owned by Mayo is interesting. Mayo cannot beat Kerry. Kerry cannot beat Tyrone. And Tyrone cannot beat Mayo?
I don't think anyone is saying Tyrone "cannot" beat Mayo. Just that they will be a very tricky quarter final opponent, as they would be for any of the provincial champions!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
The standards Tyrone boss Mickey Hart asks of a player are those he sets as a manager
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By Peter Canavan
22/07/2016
The all-too-brief heatwave this week reminded me of one of the few disagreements I had with Mickey Harte when I was playing.
It was on a training camp before the 2004 All-Ireland quarter-final. Temperatures were soaring and we were staying in a Dublin hotel, but we weren't seeing much of the sun.
Mickey and his management team had decided to bring in a sports psychologist and inside a darkened room we were subjected to what I can only describe as excruciating, meandering droning - when all we wanted to do was go out and kick ball.
My head was fried and I could see all around me boys were tearing their hair out. After about the third session, the players and (Brian) Dooher, as captain, went to Mickey with a plea for the talking to stop. When Mickey was told, he didn't like it one bit, but he relented and we got our way.
What Mickey didn't realise that it was him we wanted to hear and not anyone else, regardless of all their qualifications. As far as I was concerned, Mickey Harte is the best sport psychologist I've ever listened to. Mickey has a mantra that has been in my head ever since my first year being managed by him. These 24 words perfectly sum up what he demands of his players and the man himself - Mr Persistent.
"Persistence is awesome, it is absolutely awesome - it is this that takes an average performer of average ability and moulds him into a champion."
The quote comes from someone that most of you probably have never heard of - George Zalucki, who has been used by companies worldwide as a personal development trainer. That's all I know of George, thankfully I know a bit more about Mickey.
Our family homes are separated by just three fields in Glencull, Co Tyrone, but I was in the 'autumn of my career' before I first came under his management. Fortunately, he made it a golden autumn.
Having been involved in successful Tyrone minor and U-21 teams, he took over as manager of our club Errigal Ciaran at the start of 2002 and by the end of the year, we were both county and Ulster champions. Mickey then became Tyrone senior manager and the following September, I was lifting the Sam Maguire in front of a sea of white and red in Croke Park. The stuff of dreams.
A decade earlier, I had played alongside him on the Errigal senior team. He was entering his forties and was Tyrone minor manager at the time, but he still wanted to play with the club. There was an underlying reason - for eight years, there was no football in our parish over a bitter dispute with the county board and when the club got going again in 1990, Mickey was determined to make up for lost time. Just three years later, Errigal won the Tyrone senior championship and went on to become the first Tyrone team to win an Ulster club with 41-year-old Mr Persistent a sub on the team. While these two medals took an awful long time to get, I know how dearly he holds them.
So what makes him such a great manager, over such a long time? Well, there are many characteristics that make up the man, but from a player's point of view, the one that instantly grabs you and remains a constant is that he practises what he preaches. The standards he asks of you as a player are the standards he sets as a manager.
And as a player, he constantly wants you to think for yourself. For example, if he's looking back at something a player did wrong on a DVD of a game, he won't tell the player 'you should never do anything like that'; instead, he will ask the player 'what do you think you could have done better?'
His positivity is infectious. I always looked forward to what he had to say at the end of the last training session on the pitch and our team meeting prior to championship matches. You'd have 30 fellas around in a huddle but there'd be complete silence and we'd all hang on his every word. The team talk wouldn't last long, but the words would be chosen carefully, delivered calmly and received enthusiastically. You'd float off the pitch when he was finished and speaking to current players, I know this still holds true.
The training, itself, was not rocket science but the emphasis from him is always on quality. When I was playing, Mickey did the sessions (that has changed a bit since but the underlying principles haven't). They never lasted more than one hour, and 99pc of it was done with the ball. The drills were short, sharp and at pace, but the one thing he'd always want is for you to do them at the highest possible standards. There's a saying that you "should always train as you want to play, and play as you want to be remembered" and that is very much his philosophy.
If he wasn't getting 'all or nothing' from the players in training, he wouldn't be long about calling in the group and letting everyone know, in the strongest possible terms, that they were letting nobody down but themselves. I can tell you he can bark with the best of them!
I often laugh when I hear commentators describe him as the paragon of serenity on the sideline. Trust me, this is something which has not come naturally to him. When I see him, I know that inside the calm exterior he is kicking every ball and cursing every dodgy refereeing decision.
Back in his playing days, if there was a Vesuvius erupting on the pitch, the lava would be spilling from Mickey. But as a manager he soon learned that he couldn't afford to be dragged into sideline rows. His focus had to stay entirely on the team.
It's only through pure dogged 'persistence' that he has learned keep his head when all about are losing theirs and we saw the benefits for Tyrone in Clones last Sunday. At half-time, the verbals were coming hot and heavy from the Donegal dug-out, but Mickey didn't bat an eyelid, turned his heel for the dressing-room and just concentrated on getting his players right for the second half.
A great urban myth developed during the noughties about how Tyrone had developed the knack of 'stopping Kerry from playing'. Now I know people won't believe me, but there was no discussion about disrupting their kick-out or targeting certain players such as The Gooch. Mickey's way was to tap into the nervous energy and make it positive energy. There was certainly no paralysis by analysis of the opposition. He was always telling players they were only going to win by getting the best out of themselves, and by the time we got on the field, we'd be 10 feet tall.
Apart from radiating positive energy, perhaps Mickey's greatest attribute is ability to reinvent himself as a manager. I know he reads a lot about managers from other sports and other countries, and he is always willing to learn, keen to embrace new ideas. Back in the nineties, players were attending games in shirts and ties - now, instead of travelling in tracksuits, the Tyrone fellas are getting off the bus dressed in the finest clothes courtesy of Cuba Clothing. He wants his players to look the part and play the part.
That shows in the current Tyrone set-up. It's not that long ago that disgruntled players were leaving the squad and he was also coming under pressure from sections of the county board after some poor performances. But he took a step back and shook things up in his own inimitable way - the appointment of Gavin 'Horse' Devlin as trainer and former All-Ireland winner, Peter Donnelly, as strength and conditioning coach being a prime example of how he was prepared to take something new on board.
These are the reasons why he has three All-Ireland SFC titles in the bag, which is some achievement considering the trials and tribulations he has endured: the tragic loss of his daughter, Michaela; the sudden death of two young players, Cormac McAnallen and Paul McGirr; being subjected to a torrent of abuse from a section of supporters for playing his son, Mark; a row with the national broadcaster; a stand-off with his own county board executive over the demands of the team sponsor; and then having to deal with serious illness last year.
This time 12 months ago, he had to have surgery during Tyrone's run in the qualifiers. Yet, he defied doctor's advice to get out of his sick-bed in order to attend team meetings and, despite being clearly unwell for the game against Tipperary, his sheer willpower ensured he made it on the sideline in Thurles. It is this type of persistence that leaves many in awe and I'm sure it will ultimately mould his players into All-Ireland champions for a fourth time
"Having been involved in successful Tyrone minor and U-21 teams, he took over as manager of our club Errigal Ciaran at the start of 2002 and by the end of the year, we were both county and Ulster champions. Mickey then became Tyrone senior manager and the following September, I was lifting the Sam Maguire in front of a sea of white and red in Croke Park. The stuff of dreams."
Having Sam in Omagh must have felt insane especially for older people
2002 and 2003 must have been pretty epic for Canavan considering the lack of regional and national success he had experienced up to that point. No wonder he holds Harte in such high esteem.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2016, 12:48:31 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 25, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Is that not the reason so?
Yes! Bad Management by Croker not to put the Dubs on their own on a stand alone fixture. You would not have had to be Einstein to know Dublin would make the Quarter finals as Leinster Champions. And thus the date would be almost 100% known when the fixtures list was drawn up! A bit bit of tweaking here and there would have sorted the fixture out.
I'll be surprised if its a sell out but we'll soon find out. The only issue I'd have with them for bad scheduling is if there's a draw between in the potential quarter final we have between Tyrone & Mayo. The winner in a replay would have a week to prepare for a semi final which would be ridiculous when it looks like Kerry will have a month to prepare for their semi final.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2016, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 21, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
would rather play cork tbh as i have a horrible feeling it could all click for Mayo on the day against us. derry actually have an easier path to the semis than tyrone.
Would also prefer Cork too even though we've never beaten Cork in the Championship.
The concept of a team that is owned by Mayo is interesting. Mayo cannot beat Kerry. Kerry cannot beat Tyrone. And Tyrone cannot beat Mayo?
Kerry beat Tyrone last year and a couple of years before that. Tyrone have also beaten Mayo in Croke not too long ago.
It's not that. It's just that a battle hardened team like Mayo, for me, presents a mightier challenge that the rest. Just my opinion. Like me arsehole.
AFAIK Tyrone have only ever beaten Mayo once in the championship back in 2008 in a R4 qualifier 0.13 to 1.09
Mayo won in 1989 in a semi final 0.12 to 1.06
May won again in 2004 in a quarterfinal 0.16 to 1.09 (cracker S.O'Neill goal)
2008 Tyrone won 0.13 to 1.09 before going on to win Sam
2013 Mayo won again 1.16 to 0.13 in the semi final.
I agree that Mayo are most dangerous when they're being written off and remember this is the team that has come closest to beating the Dubs in the last few years. They will hold no fear of Tyrone and likewise Tyrone of Mayo so this could be a cracking game should it happen. I think it would be a lot more open that the Ulster final but not sure how Mayo would cope with their main forwards being tied down.
I'm not sure Tyrone will be favourites if it ends up being them versus Mayo.
Tyrone were a level below the big three last season and while Mayo have possibly gone a bit backwards I'm not convinced by the narrative that Tyrone have improved dramatically either. Decent enough results against Derry and in the replay against Cavan are tempered a bit by the failure to beat Cavan easily first time, with subsequent results in the qualifiers putting a big asterisk beside the form line.
The Ulster final was one of the least intense I can remember and I don't think either team was a whole pile better than ok on the day. Tyrone got a couple of very nice scores and showed great bottle coming down the stretch, but the standard of the game overall was so-so.
Mayo's form line is equally suspect, but if both teams are operating at the top of their range over the last season or two, Mayo are a slightly stronger outfit IMO.
Westmeath are being totally written off already I see -- let's hope the Mayo buachaillí are totally focused on the game against ourselves going into that one! ;)
Quote from: Keane on July 25, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
I'm not sure Tyrone will be favourites if it ends up being them versus Mayo.
Tyrone were a level below the big three last season and while Mayo have possibly gone a bit backwards I'm not convinced by the narrative that Tyrone have improved dramatically either. Decent enough results against Derry and in the replay against Cavan are tempered a bit by the failure to beat Cavan easily first time, with subsequent results in the qualifiers putting a big asterisk beside the form line.
The Ulster final was one of the least intense I can remember and I don't think either team was a whole pile better than ok on the day. Tyrone got a couple of very nice scores and showed great bottle coming down the stretch, but the standard of the game overall was so-so.
Mayo's form line is equally suspect, but if both teams are operating at the top of their range over the last season or two, Mayo are a slightly stronger outfit IMO.
So there is an asterix over the Tyrone form line because they hammered Cavan who were beaten by Derry who Tyrone also hammered? Ok the draw with Cavan Shows questionable form, but Galway drew with an awful Roscommon team....remember who Galway also beat in Connacht? Form lines like this mean nothing in the GAA.
I think Tyrone have improved significantly from last year and beyond recognition from 2013. There is no evidence to suggest Mayo have improved this year so it will be interesting to see where they are at. But...they have performed in big games at Croke park before (not finals) and for me, are the most dangerous of the qualifiers. But let's wait and see what pans out next weekend before analyzing the quarter finals!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 25, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Westmeath are being totally writren off already I see -- let's hope the Mayo buachaillí are totally focused on the game against ourselves going into that one! ;)
Hear hear. I think Westmeath have the potential to buck the beaten provincial finalists trend. They had to have approached the Dublin game with a healthy dose of realism re their chances and should not have invested huge emotional energy into the game a la Roscommon. So they should be more focused versus a team that had genuine hopes of provincial glory and can't get themselves up for the 4th round qualifier.
I've a great-aunt living in Tubberclair and she's quietly confident.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 25, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
So there is an asterix over the Tyrone form line because they hammered Cavan who were beaten by Derry who Tyrone also hammered? Ok the draw with Cavan Shows questionable form, but Galway drew with an awful Roscommon team....remember who Galway also beat in Connacht? Form lines like this mean nothing in the GAA.
I think Tyrone have improved significantly from last year and beyond recognition from 2013. There is no evidence to suggest Mayo have improved this year so it will be interesting to see where they are at. But...they have performed in big games at Croke park before (not finals) and for me, are the most dangerous of the qualifiers. But let's wait and see what pans out next weekend before analyzing the quarter finals!
Oh yeah obviously Galway are even more blown up again. The Cavan thing is a sidenote really, the quality of the Ulster final would be more of a concern.
Do you think Tyrone are at a level to beat Mayo if Mayo were up to their level from last year's AISF yet, or are they still a little off that?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2016, 11:52:18 AM
and remember this is the team that has come closest to beating the Dubs in the last few years.
The team that came closest to beating Dublin in the last few years was Donegal, who beat them by 6 points in 2014.
The Ulster final may not have been nice to watch but it was very hard won with it being a real game of cat and mouse & I think Cork will soon find out themselves that Donegal are still a formidable opponent who could also go on to beat Galway or Tipp to reach a semifinal v Tyrone/Westmeath/Mayo.
I think they will learn a good bit from the Tyrone game and realise they have to come out of their shell a bit to win games. Nobody is mentioning them any more and they too are in the easier side of the draw, especially as Cork will struggle with their defensive web.
We all tend to use defeats (or wins) to help us decide how good a team is. We learnt nothing about Kerry or Dublin so far.
We learnt Galway have what it takes to beat Mayo but is that because Mayo have gone backwards. Kildare were very poor in Leinster so Mayo's big win over them tells us little again.
Tyrone are unbeaten since their defeat last year to Kerry though Donegal is the only big team they have beaten.
We can't tell if Tyrone are at Mayo's level of last year until they play each other and that game might not even happen.Personally I think Mayo will fall into the Tyrone turnover play on the break trap as they will not be as patient as Donegal were.
I'm expecting a repeat of 2005 where we meet our Ulster finalists again in the AI semifinal with Kerry waiting for us in the final. ;) ;) ;)
I'll take that!
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
The Ulster final may not have been nice to watch but it was very hard won with it being a real game of cat and mouse & I think Cork will soon find out themselves that Donegal are still a formidable opponent who could also go on to beat Galway or Tipp to reach a semifinal v Tyrone/Westmeath/Mayo.
I think they will learn a good bit from the Tyrone game and realise they have to come out of their shell a bit to win games. Nobody is mentioning them any more and they too are in the easier side of the draw, especially as Cork will struggle with their defensive web.
We all tend to use defeats (or wins) to help us decide how good a team is. We learnt nothing about Kerry or Dublin so far.
We learnt Galway have what it takes to beat Mayo but is that because Mayo have gone backwards. Kildare were very poor in Leinster so Mayo's big win over them tells us little again.
Tyrone are unbeaten since their defeat last year to Kerry though Donegal is the only big team they have beaten.
We can't tell if Tyrone are at Mayo's level of last year until they play each other and that game might not even happen.Personally I think Mayo will fall into the Tyrone turnover play on the break trap as they will not be as patient as Donegal were.
I'm expecting a repeat of 2005 where we meet our Ulster finalists again in the AI semifinal with Kerry waiting for us in the final. ;) ;) ;)
Can't happen. If Donegal beat Cork then they will play Dublin in Quarter Final. Winners of that will play Kerry/Clare in semi final.
I think Tyrone can beat Mayo. However would love to see anyone beat Mayo this year. Don't like the way they have carried on recently.
Oops, of course. Sorry about that Funegal. I'd settle for Tipperary then in the semi. ;-)
I think the final will be Mayo v Dublin with Mayo scoring 3 goals and Ballina and other mythologies going into an alternative state of reality.
Is DD Mulgrew still on the Tyrone panel?
Quote from: Keane on July 25, 2016, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 25, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
So there is an asterix over the Tyrone form line because they hammered Cavan who were beaten by Derry who Tyrone also hammered? Ok the draw with Cavan Shows questionable form, but Galway drew with an awful Roscommon team....remember who Galway also beat in Connacht? Form lines like this mean nothing in the GAA.
I think Tyrone have improved significantly from last year and beyond recognition from 2013. There is no evidence to suggest Mayo have improved this year so it will be interesting to see where they are at. But...they have performed in big games at Croke park before (not finals) and for me, are the most dangerous of the qualifiers. But let's wait and see what pans out next weekend before analyzing the quarter finals!
Oh yeah obviously Galway are even more blown up again. The Cavan thing is a sidenote really, the quality of the Ulster final would be more of a concern.
Do you think Tyrone are at a level to beat Mayo if Mayo were up to their level from last year's AISF yet, or are they still a little off that?
Yes.
Mayo will be a tough nut but I think Tyrone have more pure footballers than Mayo, I think we are in better physical condition and we are much tactically assured. If we can break even around the middle of the pitch we will win, there seems to a real dependence on O'Connor frees with Mayo and I think Mayo's shooting from distance is quite poor which is something they will need to develop to beat Tyrone.
One thing I have noted about Mayo is how uncomfortable they are hitting the ball off their weaker foot which is in direct contrast to the comfort Tyrone players have kicking off either foot.
What are the timings of this double header or if undecided what is it likely to be?
Quote from: WT4E on July 25, 2016, 10:52:48 PM
What are the timings of this double header or if undecided what is it likely to be?
4pm Tyrone, and 6pm Dublin.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 25, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
The Ulster final may not have been nice to watch but it was very hard won with it being a real game of cat and mouse & I think Cork will soon find out themselves that Donegal are still a formidable opponent who could also go on to beat Galway or Tipp to reach a semifinal v Tyrone/Westmeath/Mayo.
I think they will learn a good bit from the Tyrone game and realise they have to come out of their shell a bit to win games. Nobody is mentioning them any more and they too are in the easier side of the draw, especially as Cork will struggle with their defensive web.
We all tend to use defeats (or wins) to help us decide how good a team is. We learnt nothing about Kerry or Dublin so far.
We learnt Galway have what it takes to beat Mayo but is that because Mayo have gone backwards. Kildare were very poor in Leinster so Mayo's big win over them tells us little again.
Tyrone are unbeaten since their defeat last year to Kerry though Donegal is the only big team they have beaten.
We can't tell if Tyrone are at Mayo's level of last year until they play each other and that game might not even happen.Personally I think Mayo will fall into the Tyrone turnover play on the break trap as they will not be as patient as Donegal were.
I'm expecting a repeat of 2005 where we meet our Ulster finalists again in the AI semifinal with Kerry waiting for us in the final. ;) ;) ;)
Can't happen. If Donegal beat Cork then they will play Dublin in Quarter Final. Winners of that will play Kerry/Clare in semi final.
So to win All Ireland then Donegal would have to beat Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone. Good luck with that lads!
Mulgrew is still on the panel.
Will the tickets be released for this on Sunday or Monday, just want to make sure I'm able to get tickets?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 25, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Westmeath are being totally written off already I see -- let's hope the Mayo buachaillí are totally focused on the game against ourselves going into that one! ;)
We are not even looking at this thread! :D
Anyway, if we raise our game high enough to scrape past 5 Ears, I'd prefer to play the Dubs.
5 Ears?
Check out the counties quiz on general page and all will be revealed, Croi. I thought Muppet had a stroke myself when I first read that.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
Check out the counties quiz on general page and all will be revealed, Croi. I thought Muppet had a stroke myself when I first read that.
;D Thanks OG, that took care of half an hour anyway
Having read the Dara ó'Sé article (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-injury-time-an-x-factor-that-could-decide-sam-s-destination-1.2735323) about injury time and the importance of a strong subs bench means now with refs often adding on 5 or 6+ minutes I thought I'd look at the subs Mickey Harte has used this year and the younger lads that have claimed starting jerseys.
Sludden, McShane and McNabb seem to all have been the main benefactors in each of the games played so far with getting a starting place. McNabb and Rory Brennan seem to be fighting for the same jersey with nearly all of the other defensive spots more or less accounted for.
Mark Bradley and McCurry seem to be the two forwards that are closest to getting into the starting lineups but are both great players to be bringing in when opponents' legs are getting tired. Munroe seems to also have jumped ahead of some of his team mates and is seeing a good amount of game-time. I've watched his tackle on Frank McGlynn several times and it was fair shoulder to shoulder and was significant as it was saying move over Frank, the new kids are on the block now. No fear!
Kieran McGeary (the U21 captain last year) looks like another lad who can't wait to become a regular and like the others listed always adds to the team when he comes on rather than just a sub for someone tired or injured. With Justy getting on a bit now it's also good to have him and Hampsey there to come in and fill his shoes.
With Meyler out injured and Richie Donnelly also there with a point to prove now as well as McNulty (who is 6'4'') I think it is fair to say we do have a very strong bench that Mickey uses very well as he's not scared to make a change.
I don't think we'll see Lee Brennan this year unless we're beating somebody comfortably but you never know with Mickey. Football outside Ulster's thick blankets might suit the young lad more.
In the past I think Tyrone often played a different brand of football when they get out of Ulster but the 'System' of play now seems very set in stone, at least when we don't have the ball. I think though you might see more kick passing depending on how defensive the other team are.
Can any of ye see any other players making a significant contribution?
Peter Harte has been my best player of the year so far and I was delighted for him when that huge kick went over the bar v Donegal. A lot of praise went Sean Cavanagh's way after that game but more often that not Petey is the supplier for Sean's scores (and vice versa of course).
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 27, 2016, 03:07:03 PM
Having read the Dara ó'Sé article (http://"http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-injury-time-an-x-factor-that-could-decide-sam-s-destination-1.2735323") about injury time and the importance of a strong subs bench means now with refs often adding on 5 or 6+ minutes I thought I'd look at the subs Mickey Harte has used this year and the younger lads that have claimed starting jerseys.
Sludden, McShane and McNabb seem to all have been the main benefactors in each of the games played so far with getting a starting place. McNabb and Rory Brennan seem to be fighting for the same jersey with nearly all of the other defensive spots more or less accounted for.
Mark Bradley and McCurry seem to be the two forwards that are closest to getting into the starting lineups but are both great players to be bringing in when opponents' legs are getting tired. Munroe seems to also have jumped ahead of some of his team mates and is seeing a good amount of game-time. I've watched his tackle on Frank McGlynn several times and it was fair shoulder to shoulder and was significant as it was saying move over Frank, the new kids are on the block now. No fear!
Kieran McGeary (the U21 captain last year) looks like another lad who can't wait to become a regular and like the others listed always adds to the team when he comes on rather than just a sub for someone tired or injured. With Justy getting on a bit now it's also good to have him and Hampsey there to come in and fill his shoes.
With Meyler out injured and Richie Donnelly also there with a point to prove now as well as McNulty (who is 6'4'') I think it is fair to say we do have a very strong bench that Mickey uses very well as he's not scared to make a change.
I don't think we'll see Lee Brennan this year unless we're beating somebody comfortably but you never know with Mickey. Football outside Ulster's thick blankets might suit the young lad more.
In the past I think Tyrone often played a different brand of football when they get out of Ulster but the 'System' of play now seems very set in stone, at least when we don't have the ball. I think though you might see more kick passing depending on how defensive the other team are.
Can any of ye see any other players making a significant contribution?
Peter Harte has been my best player of the year so far and I was delighted for him when that huge kick went over the bar v Donegal. A lot of praise went Sean Cavanagh's way after that game but more often that not Petey is the supplier for Sean's scores (and vice versa of course).
I'd be very surprised if we didn't see Lee Brennan at some point in the quarter final. If the lad's approach to the game is influenced at all by his brother and the two Donnelly brothers then he will have the temperament and physcal capabilities to slot straight into the team. Those Trillick lads have been excellent this season and certainly look in great shape with a good attitude to boot.
Agree with most of what you say there, however, once again these guys will have to produce it against Mayo (and a lesser extent Cork/Westmeath) in a big game in Croke park. The Ulster final will be seen in a different light of Donegal get dumped out on their hole this Saturday.
Btw Fuzz, whenever you post text links to articles they never work for me. Don't know if others have this issue?
WT4E, I noticed you've deleted your post but I emailed Croke Park and they said tickets will go on sale Sunday (assuming neither game this Saturday ends in a draw!!). Will be interesting to see if there are many on general sale. Surely it will sell out if it's Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Mayo.
The Trillick lads really have been remarkable and we still have possibly the most talented of the lot still to come. I would say alot of stems from Mattie, having observed them both at minor I would have thought Richie was the better footballer but Matties attitude has taken him to a totally different level.
I'll be honest I thought that was the last was him when he left the panel for U21s but we really got an insight into his mindset when his intentions and long term plan where revealed. He is a fantastic driving force for the Trillick lads and the rest of the team.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2016, 04:38:54 PM
Agree with most of what you say there, however, once again these guys will have to produce it against Mayo (and a lesser extent Cork/Westmeath) in a big game in Croke park. The Ulster final will be seen in a different light of Donegal get dumped out on their hole this Saturday.
Btw Fuzz, whenever you post text links to articles they never work for me. Don't know if others have this issue?
WT4E, I noticed you've deleted your post but I emailed Croke Park and they said tickets will go on sale Sunday (assuming neither game this Saturday ends in a draw!!). Will be interesting to see if there are many on general sale. Surely it will sell out if it's Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Mayo.
As I said last year Dublin/Mayo original and replayed games were mayhem trying to get tickets! I can't imagine what adding Tyrone and Donegal fans to that will do?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2016, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2016, 04:38:54 PM
Agree with most of what you say there, however, once again these guys will have to produce it against Mayo (and a lesser extent Cork/Westmeath) in a big game in Croke park. The Ulster final will be seen in a different light of Donegal get dumped out on their hole this Saturday.
Btw Fuzz, whenever you post text links to articles they never work for me. Don't know if others have this issue?
WT4E, I noticed you've deleted your post but I emailed Croke Park and they said tickets will go on sale Sunday (assuming neither game this Saturday ends in a draw!!). Will be interesting to see if there are many on general sale. Surely it will sell out if it's Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Mayo.
As I said last year Dublin/Mayo original and replayed games were mayhem trying to get tickets! I can't imagine what adding Tyrone and Donegal fans to that will do?
I reckon Cork will chin Donegal.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 27, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2016, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2016, 04:38:54 PM
Agree with most of what you say there, however, once again these guys will have to produce it against Mayo (and a lesser extent Cork/Westmeath) in a big game in Croke park. The Ulster final will be seen in a different light of Donegal get dumped out on their hole this Saturday.
Btw Fuzz, whenever you post text links to articles they never work for me. Don't know if others have this issue?
WT4E, I noticed you've deleted your post but I emailed Croke Park and they said tickets will go on sale Sunday (assuming neither game this Saturday ends in a draw!!). Will be interesting to see if there are many on general sale. Surely it will sell out if it's Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Mayo.
As I said last year Dublin/Mayo original and replayed games were mayhem trying to get tickets! I can't imagine what adding Tyrone and Donegal fans to that will do?
I reckon Cork will chin Donegal.
Are you saying Donegal are not up to much?
Thanks Omaghjoe. I didn't realise that put it was putting in an extra http:// after the url word.
Fixed it now above.
I don't think the Dubs are as keen as they were as so many have got fed up with paying in and watching 40 mins of football and then it's all over.
Donegal having the extra week will help them a lot and I can't see Cork living with their suffocating blanket.
It would be great to see Lee Brennan kicking scores in Croker.
What's young Mulgrew like? With him being in the squad so young I presume he's hot as well.
Good news: Joe's back! (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=258762) :)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 27, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2016, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2016, 04:38:54 PM
Agree with most of what you say there, however, once again these guys will have to produce it against Mayo (and a lesser extent Cork/Westmeath) in a big game in Croke park. The Ulster final will be seen in a different light of Donegal get dumped out on their hole this Saturday.
Btw Fuzz, whenever you post text links to articles they never work for me. Don't know if others have this issue?
WT4E, I noticed you've deleted your post but I emailed Croke Park and they said tickets will go on sale Sunday (assuming neither game this Saturday ends in a draw!!). Will be interesting to see if there are many on general sale. Surely it will sell out if it's Dublin v Donegal and Tyrone v Mayo.
As I said last year Dublin/Mayo original and replayed games were mayhem trying to get tickets! I can't imagine what adding Tyrone and Donegal fans to that will do?
I reckon Cork will chin Donegal.
Are you saying Donegal are not up to much?
Just think they are battle weary and Cork have the benefit of a couple of wins behind them. Mentally, Donegal may find it hard to get back up for this game after the disappointment of losing an Ulster final and trying to maintain a peak for 4 hard games en route.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 27, 2016, 03:07:03 PM
Having read the Dara ó'Sé article (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-injury-time-an-x-factor-that-could-decide-sam-s-destination-1.2735323) about injury time and the importance of a strong subs bench means now with refs often adding on 5 or 6+ minutes I thought I'd look at the subs Mickey Harte has used this year and the younger lads that have claimed starting jerseys.
Sludden, McShane and McNabb seem to all have been the main benefactors in each of the games played so far with getting a starting place. McNabb and Rory Brennan seem to be fighting for the same jersey with nearly all of the other defensive spots more or less accounted for.
Mark Bradley and McCurry seem to be the two forwards that are closest to getting into the starting lineups but are both great players to be bringing in when opponents' legs are getting tired. Munroe seems to also have jumped ahead of some of his team mates and is seeing a good amount of game-time. I've watched his tackle on Frank McGlynn several times and it was fair shoulder to shoulder and was significant as it was saying move over Frank, the new kids are on the block now. No fear!
Kieran McGeary (the U21 captain last year) looks like another lad who can't wait to become a regular and like the others listed always adds to the team when he comes on rather than just a sub for someone tired or injured. With Justy getting on a bit now it's also good to have him and Hampsey there to come in and fill his shoes.
With Meyler out injured and Richie Donnelly also there with a point to prove now as well as McNulty (who is 6'4'') I think it is fair to say we do have a very strong bench that Mickey uses very well as he's not scared to make a change.
I don't think we'll see Lee Brennan this year unless we're beating somebody comfortably but you never know with Mickey. Football outside Ulster's thick blankets might suit the young lad more.
In the past I think Tyrone often played a different brand of football when they get out of Ulster but the 'System' of play now seems very set in stone, at least when we don't have the ball. I think though you might see more kick passing depending on how defensive the other team are.
Can any of ye see any other players making a significant contribution?
Peter Harte has been my best player of the year so far and I was delighted for him when that huge kick went over the bar v Donegal. A lot of praise went Sean Cavanagh's way after that game but more often that not Petey is the supplier for Sean's scores (and vice versa of course).
We've very strong squad wise, McShane has certainly improved this year but he is still a little too erratic for me. I would like to see Richie Donnelly come in for him in the QF if fit. Think they are similar type players but Richie is more polished at present.
Great to see McNabb make such a swift recovery, he's always looked like being a top player but last year was the first year he really made the impact expected due to injury so it was a big blow for him to pick up such a serious injury after all the trouble before that. I think he could be under threat along with O'Neill and McShane the next day, would imagine the other 12 starters against Donegal are nailed on starters.
Mickey is good at picking players for certain opponents, think Bradley is the type of player who could get a lot of joy against Mayo and he may start.
Dublin will be tough in their own backyard
We did well to beat them back in 2008
Game over already
Bring on the perennial and proverbial bridesmaids, and puhleeease, less of the whinging à la 2008 when we beat you out the Croke Park gate again! ;)
Rochford played a blinder at half time. Go out for second half, get a scare and fool the whole country into writing us off. Mayo waiting in long grass to chop down the red hands?
Holidaying in Mayo late August. Cong. They're a great people. Weather-beaten features but optimistic in nature.
Make sure you visit King Cong ONeill. Great spectacle.
Must be Mayo's to lose now after today. Easy run to the final where they finally will overcome Clare.
I think Tyrone players are great at securing possession but the big weakness is all the foostering they do with the ball afterwards. They don't seem to be able to convert possession to scores with the required degree of ruthlessness. The match against Mayo is not a competition to see who can do the most handpasses so they will have to tweak their Ulster settings.
Seafoid: seafoid.
This is as far as Mayo will go. Didn't see the game today, but I said it a while back that the last 8 is as far as Mayo will go.
Noyhing like a bit of doom and gloom to end the day.Thanks Farr.
Seafoid, have you looked at what Tyrone have scored in every game this year?
Even in a claustrophobic Ulster final we scored 13 points. Most from play.
Are you worried about meeting Mayo in the semi for a revenge game?
This is my favourite thread
Mayo coming to the boil nicely.They should be able to take Tyrone as Donegal would have done had they had the courage to cut loose.
This thread could hit 100 pages by the time this is over. ;D
I can't believe how open Mayo are. Their discipline in the tackle, even in scoring zone is awful. Think it's time we unleashed Lee Brennan to punish this. Aiden O'Se is a as walking yellow/black/red card waiting to happen. (Although today's game further proved that there is no consistency in the differences between the three cards). Mayo also looked very leggy in the second half, can they live with the pace Tyrone will bring to the game?
However, the spell of 10 mins in the first half when Mayo destroyed Westmeath with a burst of about 2-5 shows what they are capable of when they eventually click. I think this is going to be the game of the championship as Tyrone will definitely whet the appetite of this Mayo team.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2016, 11:22:32 PM
Mayo coming to the boil nicely.They should be able to take Tyrone as Donegal would have done had they had the courage to cut loose.
Tony, the day you predict a Tyrone win is the day I begin to worry. This post has filled me with no end of confidence ;)
Thought I'd look at the changes over the past three years. Here are the teams that lined out in 2013 and the teams v Westmesth and Donegal:
Mayo 2013
Mayo: Robert Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillon, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran (cpt).
Subs: E Varley (0-01) for O'Connor, M Conroy for Moran, C Carolan (0-01) for Cunniffe, R Feeney for Vaughan, B Moran for A O'Shea
Mayo 2016
Mayo: D Clarke, B Harrison, K Keane, K Higgins (0-01), L Keegan, C Boyle], P Durcan (0-01), S O'Shea, D Vaughan (0-01), K McLoughlin (0-01), A O'Shea (1-00),]J Doherty (1-01), E Regan (0-03, 2f), A Moran (0-02), C O'Connor (1-05, 1-0 pen, 2f).
Subs: B Moran for Boyle (52), A Dillon for Regan (54), C O'Shea for Doherty (59), A Freeman for A Moran (65), C Barrett for Keegan (67), T Parsons for S O'Shea (69)
14
Tyrone 2013
Tyrone: P McConnell, R McKenna, C Clarke, C McCarron, C McGinley, P Harte, C Gormley, C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, Joe McMahon, D McCurry, S O'Neill (cpt), C McAliskey.
Subs: D Carlin for Harte, R O'Neill (0-01) for S O'Neill, R McNabb for McMahon, A Cassidy (0-01) for Mattie Donnelly, K Coney (0-01) for R O'Neill
Tyrone 2016
Tyrone: N Morgan (0-02, 2f), A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron (0-01), T McCann, J McMahon, R McNabb, C Cavanagh, M Donnelly, C McShane (0-01), N Sludden (0-01), P Harte (0-02), C McAliskey, S Cavanagh (0-03), R O'Neill.
Subs: R Brennan (0-01) for Donnelly (33 BC) M Bradey for McShane (37 BC), J Munroe for O'Neill (53), D McCurry (0-01) for McAliskey (63), K McGeary (0-01) for McMahon (70)
9
By my reckoning 14 Mayo players played today that were involved in 2013 versus 9 for Tyrone.
Ticket information from gaa.ie
All Ireland SFC Quarter-Final ticket details
Saturday, July 30, 2016
The GAA can confirm the pairings for the two remaining GAA All-Ireland football quarter-finals which are scheduled to take place at Croke Park on Saturday, August 6th.
At 4.00pm Tyrone will play Mayo and this game is followed by the meeting of Dublin and Donegal at 6.00pm.
These games will be preceded by the GAA Football All Ireland Junior Final between Mayo and Kerry at 2.00pm.
A limited number of tickets will go on public sale tomorrow morning with the remaining tickets allocated to the Clubs, County Committees and GAA Season Ticket holders.
The participation of the counties involved on the same day means it is likely this fixture will sell out and tickets for public sale will be available online at gaa.ie and tickets.ie tomorrow morning from 9am and from Centra and SuperValu while stocks last.
It is not expected that there will be any public sale of tickets for the Football quarter-finals from the GAA Ticket Office in Dorset St.
Tickets are also on sale for the following day's GAA Hurling All Ireland semi-final involving Kilkenny and Waterford.
mayo have been racking up some big scores recently and are favourites for me. tyrone have it all to do. will be some game!
on yesterdays game tyrone must be confident of seeing off mayo
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2016, 10:48:23 PM
Seafoid, have you looked at what Tyrone have scored in every game this year?
Even in a claustrophobic Ulster final we scored 13 points. Most from play.
Are you worried about meeting Mayo in the semi for a revenge game?
Fuzzman Ulster football is some kind of Kabuki version that involves complex rituals of holding on to the ball without doing much with it. I have tried to read Jim McGuinness's columns in the IT but I don't really understand the system. GAA is like any other sport which means exploiting space at speed. The Ulster version is something else. If Seamus Heaney was around he might write a poem linking it to the Trojan war.
13 points would not be enough to beat Mayo. Are Tyrone as good as Donegal 2012? Do they have the quality beyond the puke, other than Cavanagh?
I don't mind if Mayo win the All Ireland.
Quote from: clarshack on July 31, 2016, 12:33:49 AM
mayo have been racking up some big scores recently and are favourites for me. tyrone have it all to do. will be some game!
Tyrone will win this one by at least 10 points. Msyo have quite obviously gone backwards this year. Tyrone are just so far ahead of mayo it's like having a bye into the semifinals.
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Tyrone with a one man team,Mc Guigan in the 80s and Canavan in the 90s couldn't win an AI.Similar situation this year I'm afraid
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 31, 2016, 07:38:06 AM
Tyrone with a one man team,Mc Guigan in the 80s and Canavan in the 90s couldn't win an AI.Similar situation this year I'm afraid
Good man, Tony. Keep 'em coming.
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2016, 07:15:37 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 31, 2016, 12:33:49 AM
mayo have been racking up some big scores recently and are favourites for me. tyrone have it all to do. will be some game!
Tyrone will win this one by at least 10 points. Msyo have quite obviously gone backwards this year. Tyrone are just so far ahead of mayo it's like having a bye into the semifinals.
Jaysis, are you feeling ok, Lenny? That's not like you at all!
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
Maigh eoi my eye
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
What price do you think they should be? Will the gambling of a few people in one county shift the odds of a national bookmaker? Are you manifesting your Tyrone complex with whatever nonsense pops into your head?
In my opinion Tyrone will win this match and win it quite easily. Mayo have regressed quite badly this year and Tyrone are going in the opposite direction. As long as they can handle the expectancy of being probable AI finalists I don't see anyway that Mayo can beat them on all known form this season.
Might as well present Tyrone with the Sam now and be done with it ::)
No shortage of Cypher Us type posters among the bushes.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
What price do you think they should be? Will the gambling of a few people in one county shift the odds of a national bookmaker? Are you manifesting your Tyrone complex with whatever nonsense pops into your head?
3 to one on at least
And county money often drives prices.
Looking forward to this match, the first meaningful clash of big hitters of the championship
Tickets went on sale on tickets.ie @ 9am. Went on @ 9.25am and was in a queue of 3 k odd.
These games will be hyped up, the reality is that they will both probably end up in big wins for both Dublin and Tyrone. With today's matches likely to see something similar, it has been a poor championship with no outstanding match to date. Tyrone v Cavan first time out was probably the pick of the matches and it wasn't exactly riveting stuff either.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
What price do you think they should be? Will the gambling of a few people in one county shift the odds of a national bookmaker? Are you manifesting your Tyrone complex with whatever nonsense pops into your head?
3 to one on at least
And county money often drives prices.
So Mayo, by your reckoning, have gone from our 'bogey team' to absolute no-hopers? Scraping the bottom of that particular barrel methinks.
I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 31, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
In my opinion Tyrone will win this match and win it quite easily. Mayo have regressed quite badly this year and Tyrone are going in the opposite direction. As long as they can handle the expectancy of being probable AI finalists I don't see anyway that Mayo can beat them on all known form this season.
If only football was that straightforward and predictable! Mayo have been at the top table for a good few years. If they get a head of steam up they're hard to play against.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 31, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Yes, they CAN, but WILL they? We'll be doing a Michael Murphy on O'Shea, so don't be expecting him to have free rein in Croke! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 31, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Yes, they CAN, but WILL they? We'll be doing a Michael Murphy on O'Shea, so don't be expecting him to have free rein in Croke! ;)
You didn't do a Michael Murphy on Michael Murphy because you didn't need to. Had Murphy been in FF and fit, Donegal would've won. I'll call it now and say Mayo by 2 points, 3-14 to 1-18.
Quote from: Armamike on July 31, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 31, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
In my opinion Tyrone will win this match and win it quite easily. Mayo have regressed quite badly this year and Tyrone are going in the opposite direction. As long as they can handle the expectancy of being probable AI finalists I don't see anyway that Mayo can beat them on all known form this season.
If only football was that straightforward and predictable! Mayo have been at the top table for a good few years. If they get a head of steam up they're hard to play against.
They WERE at the top table. Have done absolutely nothing this season nor showed any sort of form that would be capable of competing with Tyrone. Mayo are also tactically naive, Tyrone will suffocate them in defence and hit them with lightning fast counter attacks.
The Tyrone lads are very confident, I see.
Bordering on arrogance.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 31, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 31, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Yes, they CAN, but WILL they? We'll be doing a Michael Murphy on O'Shea, so don't be expecting him to have free rein in Croke! ;)
You didn't do a Michael Murphy on Michael Murphy because you didn't need to. Had Murphy been in FF and fit, Donegal would've won. I'll call it now and say Mayo by 2 points, 3-14 to 1-18.
You're almost as naïve as Mayo were against Westmeath yesterday. :)
Would fancy Tyrone in this one but not by much, Mayo lack of the 2 extra scoring forwards they needed to find to win the all-ireland has not materialized. Tyrone has a number of players on the bench i probably start in front of a few of the starters. I think Mickey Hartes overly defensive style is actually holding this Tyrone team back with the forwards they have.
I can see AOS trying to go full 'Fear Laidir' in this game as he's had a poor season to date.
I predict lots of over-carrying, lots of charging and lots of turnovers.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 31, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Have you seen Aiden O'Se this year? He's been brutal! More likely to get a card for indisciplined tackling than to get a score. His brother who came on yesterday looks a decent player though!
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
The Tyrone lads are very confident, I see.
Bordering on arrogance.
Quelle surprise!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
The Tyrone lads are very confident, I see.
Bordering on arrogance.
Quelle surprise!
You ain't seen nothing yet! :D ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
What price do you think they should be? Will the gambling of a few people in one county shift the odds of a national bookmaker? Are you manifesting your Tyrone complex with whatever nonsense pops into your head?
3 to one on at least
And county money often drives prices.
So Mayo, by your reckoning, have gone from our 'bogey team' to absolute no-hopers? Scraping the bottom of that particular barrel methinks.
Based on tyrone comments , fear . I think.Mayo will win. That lateral handpassing will do Tyrone in. Re the Ulster final how much out of the 11 points in 84 would Frank McGuigan get a chance to score with this year''s style of play?
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 02:49:55 PM
Based on tyrone comments , fear . I think.Mayo will win. That lateral handpassing will do Tyrone in. Re the Ulster final how much out of the 11 points in 84 would Frank McGuigan get a chance to score with this year''s style of play?
We were significantly out-handpassed by Donegal* in the Ulster Final, but sure you're as entitled to an opinion on this game as anyone else. But, like arseholes... ;)
* 263 handpasses to 149.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 02:49:55 PM
Based on tyrone comments , fear . I think.Mayo will win. That lateral handpassing will do Tyrone in. Re the Ulster final how much out of the 11 points in 84 would Frank McGuigan get a chance to score with this year''s style of play?
We were significantly out-handpassed by Donegal* in the Ulster Final, but sure you're as entitled to an opinion on this game as anyone else. But, like arseholes... ;)
* 263 hanpasses to 149.
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 02:49:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Throne are 8/11 so there aren't many red hands betting on the team.
Explain.
If the tyronies were as confident as the posters here there would be a wall of money on the team.
8/11 is mediocre . Mayo are misfiring, can't keep up performance for 15 minutes , have known psychological issues etc but Tyrone are only slight favourites.
What price do you think they should be? Will the gambling of a few people in one county shift the odds of a national bookmaker? Are you manifesting your Tyrone complex with whatever nonsense pops into your head?
3 to one on at least
And county money often drives prices.
So Mayo, by your reckoning, have gone from our 'bogey team' to absolute no-hopers? Scraping the bottom of that particular barrel methinks.
Based on tyrone comments , fear . I think.Mayo will win. That lateral handpassing will do Tyrone in. Re the Ulster final how much out of the 11 points in 84 would Frank McGuigan get a chance to score with this year''s style of play?
You clearly haven't watch Tyrone play much this year. Which is odd given your fascination. By the way, Frank scored one with his fist you know?
This is effectively an All-Ireland semi-final now.
Mayo need to go big or go home.
Quote from: SuperHo on July 31, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
Tickets went on sale on tickets.ie @ 9am. Went on @ 9.25am and was in a queue of 3 k odd.
Whats the story with these tickets - I wane online this morning at 9am and was told would be in a queue for an hour but had to go and when i came back they where no longer on sale - will there be more put on sale at some stage?
Bye, bye Connacht football for 2016!*
* Sickening and shocking arrogance, yes :D
Quote from: WT4E on July 31, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on July 31, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
Tickets went on sale on tickets.ie @ 9am. Went on @ 9.25am and was in a queue of 3 k odd.
Whats the story with these tickets - I wane online this morning at 9am and was told would be in a queue for an hour but had to go and when i came back they where no longer on sale - will there be more put on sale at some stage?
Very unlikely. Try Central or Supervalu.
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Fook off, you're not supposed to meekly and humbly submit, in the face of such naked arrogance! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Let me reframe: why worry about us, we're very much alive and kicking (with an odd handpass) in 2016?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Tyrones biggest problem is that they will be going into the final relatively untested. Mayo and tipp will do well to keep them to within single figures.
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Tyrones biggest problem is that they will be going into the final relatively untested. Mayo and tipp will do well to keep them to within single figures.
I'm sure Tyrone management team and the players will be cursing Lenny from GAAboard heaping all this pressure on them. Stop it Lenny, we know your game, you sly fox!
Will the return of DOC and Parsons mean Mayo will be back to their levels of recent years? Any other reason for their apparent decline this year?
I fully expect them to be back to last year's level for the semi, unless there's some reason I've been missing as to why they are not firing this year.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 02:49:55 PM
Based on tyrone comments , fear . I think.Mayo will win. That lateral handpassing will do Tyrone in. Re the Ulster final how much out of the 11 points in 84 would Frank McGuigan get a chance to score with this year''s style of play?
We were significantly out-handpassed by Donegal* in the Ulster Final, but sure you're as entitled to an opinion on this game as anyone else. But, like arseholes... ;)
* 263 hanpasses to 149.
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
All fist passing back then. The hand pass came in much later. MC guigan fisted a couple over the bar that day.
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2016, 08:21:17 PM
I fully expect them to be back to last year's level for the semi...
So you fully expect them to beat ourselves in the Quarters... sickening arrogance! ;)
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Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Let me reframe: why worry about us, we're very much alive and kicking (with an odd handpass) in 2016?
Maybe Mayo are poor but I am genuinely interested to see if Tyrone can go forward with the Ulster style. I think you need a very good team to do that. Donegal did it once.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 08:16:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Tyrones biggest problem is that they will be going into the final relatively untested. Mayo and tipp will do well to keep them to within single figures.
I'm sure Tyrone management team and the players will be cursing Lenny from GAAboard heaping all this pressure on them. Stop it Lenny, we know your game, you sly fox!
I think it's hard to disagree with - Mayo will grind out a moral victory of a loss, Tyrone's defence will shut down Tipp's attack and take advantage of Tipp openness at the back.
In other news Donegal won't have the legs for Dublin and neither will Kerry. Dublin's toughest game will be Tyrone in the final but Tyrone will be undone by Dean Rock frees.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Let me reframe: why worry about us, we're very much alive and kicking (with an odd handpass) in 2016?
Maybe Mayo are poor but I am genuinely interested to see if Tyrone can go forward with the Ulster style. I think you need a very good team to do that. Donegal did it once.
What's the Connacht style these days?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2016, 09:14:26 PM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Let me reframe: why worry about us, we're very much alive and kicking (with an odd handpass) in 2016?
Maybe Mayo are poor but I am genuinely interested to see if Tyrone can go forward with the Ulster style. I think you need a very good team to do that. Donegal did it once.
What's the Connacht style these days?
very successful in the rugby. Mayo will be showcasing next week. You wouldn't know what they might come up.with. But it is unlikely to involve ulster levels of handpassing.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
How many handpasses would there have been in 84? 50?
Totally and utterly irrelevant-- why the obsession with a period when we were singularly unsuccessful?
singularly?
The success only encompasses a period of 6 championships
Let me reframe: why worry about us, we're very much alive and kicking (with an odd handpass) in 2016?
Maybe Mayo are poor but I am genuinely interested to see if Tyrone can go forward with the Ulster style. I think you need a very good team to do that. Donegal did it once.
What's the Connacht style these days?
very successful in the rugby. Mayo will be showcasing next week. You wouldn't know what they might come up.with. But it is unlikely to involve ulster levels of handpassing.
Do you guys kick the ball loads where you are from then? How's that working out for you?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Fook off, you're not supposed to meekly and humbly submit, in the face of such naked arrogance! ;)
Look, we made a meal out of beating Westmeath! A team Dublin beat in second gear. We lost to a Galway team that were steamrolled by Tipp today. Very poor against Fermanagh. Even the Kildare performance was dodgy where we were eaten at midfield. We have no marquee forwards. Cillian gets all his scores from frees. Our Full back line has been decimated by retirements, injuries and switching players to suit a system. We have found no new players in the last two to three years and no underage success either. The Croke Park Hoodoo still hangs over Mayo and they have a poor recent record in the Capital. Tyrone have had a fantastic season winning Ulster and Division two as well as following on from last years under 21 success. Their tails are up and the Defeat of a tough Donegal side will have brought them on. The seven day turn around will count against us as well. The general consensus is that most of Mayo's key players are past their best and the decline is staggering.
Throne were much more media friendly back in the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHyWxNO5xyo
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Fook off, you're not supposed to meekly and humbly submit, in the face of such naked arrogance! ;)
Look, we made a meal out of beating Westmeath! A team Dublin beat in second gear. We lost to a Galway team that were steamrolled by Tipp today. Very poor against Fermanagh. Even the Kildare performance was dodgy where we were eaten at midfield. We have no marquee forwards. Cillian gets all his scores from frees. Our Full back line has been decimated by retirements, injuries and switching players to suit a system. We have found no new players in the last two to three years and no underage success either. The Croke Park Hoodoo still hangs over Mayo and they have a poor recent record in the Capital. Tyrone have had a fantastic season winning Ulster and Division two as well as following on from last years under 21 success. Their tails are up and the Defeat of a tough Donegal side will have brought them on. The seven day turn around will count against us as well. The general consensus is that most of Mayo's key players are past their best and the decline is staggering.
Ah feck ye. That's just put the shits up me even more. Classic GAA ambush. Like Tyrone v Dubs in 2008.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2016, 06:23:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Can't see any other winner other than Tyrone here. That was the general consensus leaving Croker yesterday evening! Mayo were all over the place in the second half and the week turnaround will not help them either. Really the team Tyrone need to beware of are Tipp looking at their performance today.
Fook off, you're not supposed to meekly and humbly submit, in the face of such naked arrogance! ;)
Look, we made a meal out of beating Westmeath! A team Dublin beat in second gear. We lost to a Galway team that were steamrolled by Tipp today. Very poor against Fermanagh. Even the Kildare performance was dodgy where we were eaten at midfield. We have no marquee forwards. Cillian gets all his scores from frees. Our Full back line has been decimated by retirements, injuries and switching players to suit a system. We have found no new players in the last two to three years and no underage success either. The Croke Park Hoodoo still hangs over Mayo and they have a poor recent record in the Capital. Tyrone have had a fantastic season winning Ulster and Division two as well as following on from last years under 21 success. Their tails are up and the Defeat of a tough Donegal side will have brought them on. The seven day turn around will count against us as well. The general consensus is that most of Mayo's key players are past their best and the decline is staggering.
"And yet..."
David Gough down to ref this. A Meath man on the 20th anniversary of the butchering of those fine young men from amongst the bushes. All the lads should wear head bandages on Saturday in memory of that dark day.
All the Mayo lads should wear Larry Finnerty wigs.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2016, 11:59:12 PM
All the Mayo lads should wear Larry Finnerty wigs.
Fun fact: Anthony Larrys young lad is now a marque forward for the Galway minors this year.
Mayo guys extremely confident. They don't fear Tyrone
Quote from: rrhf on August 01, 2016, 05:45:35 AM
Mayo guys extremely confident. They don't fear Tyrone
the cheek of them
Mayo will beat Tipperary too. Phenomenal record of reaching finals.
The day is drawing nearer and suddenly things are not looking as straight forward as one thought?
Based on this years form Tyrone are rightfully slight favourites for this game. Mayo were disappointing against Galway and have did nothing in the qualifiers to suggest they're All Ireland contenders. To be honest for long spells in all games they have been very poor.
That does not mean they don't have a good chance on Saturday. They have a core of players used to winning quarter and semi finals. They will find it a lot easier to get up for this match than any game this year and given they're underdogs they'll have a point to prove. It could be the last stand for a number of the team in terms of trying to win an all Ireland. Tyrone in 08 and Kerry in 09 showed that the bigger teams can stumble through a championship then turn it on come the quarter finals. Mayo also have a good record against Tyrone.
Hopefully given its in Croke Park Tyrone can show a bit more adventure for this game and have a real go at Mayo. We need at least one of our inside forwards to do a bit of scoring and combined with a wide range of scoring ability out the pitch will hopefully be enough to get us over the line.
In terms of the team its hard to see many changes from the ulster final. Rory Brennan could come in for McShane and Bradley or McCurry could get into the fill forward line but that's less likely.
The reality of how Tyrone are judged so far this season is their win over Donegal.
The reality of how Mayo are judged so far this season is their loss to Galway.
All other results are meaningless!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Based on this years form Tyrone are rightfully slight favourites for this game. Mayo were disappointing against Galway and have did nothing in the qualifiers to suggest they're All Ireland contenders. To be honest for long spells in all games they have been very poor.
That does not mean they don't have a good chance on Saturday. They have a core of players used to winning quarter and semi finals. They will find it a lot easier to get up for this match than any game this year and given they're underdogs they'll have a point to prove. It could be the last stand for a number of the team in terms of trying to win an all Ireland. Tyrone in 08 and Kerry in 09 showed that the bigger teams can stumble through a championship then turn it on come the quarter finals. Mayo also have a good record against Tyrone.
Hopefully given its in Croke Park Tyrone can show a bit more adventure for this game and have a real go at Mayo. We need at least one of our inside forwards to do a bit of scoring and combined with a wide range of scoring ability out the pitch will hopefully be enough to get us over the line.
In terms of the team its hard to see many changes from the ulster final. Rory Brennan could come in for McShane and Bradley or McCurry could get into the fill forward line but that's less likely.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for
Tyrone used to be able to kick the ball into the inside forwards in order to generate scores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog
McShane getting written off in a lot of quarters.
Fine margins.
The lad through on goal in Ulster Final, with one point and one won free for a point to his name, is tumbled. If the ref rightly gave a free in how would his day have panned out?
Off the top of my head he has outscored Ronan O Neill the last 2 days but there are lesser calls for his dropping.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2016, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Based on this years form Tyrone are rightfully slight favourites for this game. Mayo were disappointing against Galway and have did nothing in the qualifiers to suggest they're All Ireland contenders. To be honest for long spells in all games they have been very poor.
That does not mean they don't have a good chance on Saturday. They have a core of players used to winning quarter and semi finals. They will find it a lot easier to get up for this match than any game this year and given they're underdogs they'll have a point to prove. It could be the last stand for a number of the team in terms of trying to win an all Ireland. Tyrone in 08 and Kerry in 09 showed that the bigger teams can stumble through a championship then turn it on come the quarter finals. Mayo also have a good record against Tyrone.
Hopefully given its in Croke Park Tyrone can show a bit more adventure for this game and have a real go at Mayo. We need at least one of our inside forwards to do a bit of scoring and combined with a wide range of scoring ability out the pitch will hopefully be enough to get us over the line.
In terms of the team its hard to see many changes from the ulster final. Rory Brennan could come in for McShane and Bradley or McCurry could get into the fill forward line but that's less likely.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for
Tyrone used to be able to kick the ball into the inside forwards in order to generate scores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog
If Sean Cavanagh and Peter Harte keep kicking the ball over from 40 or 50 yards out I'm happy enough we save the extra pass and put it over from out there.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2016, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Based on this years form Tyrone are rightfully slight favourites for this game. Mayo were disappointing against Galway and have did nothing in the qualifiers to suggest they're All Ireland contenders. To be honest for long spells in all games they have been very poor.
That does not mean they don't have a good chance on Saturday. They have a core of players used to winning quarter and semi finals. They will find it a lot easier to get up for this match than any game this year and given they're underdogs they'll have a point to prove. It could be the last stand for a number of the team in terms of trying to win an all Ireland. Tyrone in 08 and Kerry in 09 showed that the bigger teams can stumble through a championship then turn it on come the quarter finals. Mayo also have a good record against Tyrone.
Hopefully given its in Croke Park Tyrone can show a bit more adventure for this game and have a real go at Mayo. We need at least one of our inside forwards to do a bit of scoring and combined with a wide range of scoring ability out the pitch will hopefully be enough to get us over the line.
In terms of the team its hard to see many changes from the ulster final. Rory Brennan could come in for McShane and Bradley or McCurry could get into the fill forward line but that's less likely.
Jim McGuinness has a lot to answer for
Tyrone used to be able to kick the ball into the inside forwards in order to generate scores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog
Aye, you just don't see that long ball into the inside forward these days! ??? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L1G2JlnGwWU
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
McShane getting written off in a lot of quarters.
Fine margins.
The lad through on goal in Ulster Final, with one point and one won free for a point to his name, is tumbled. If the ref rightly gave a free in how would his day have panned out?
Off the top of my head he has outscored Ronan O Neill the last 2 days but there are lesser calls for his dropping.
I'm a fan of McShane's and thought watching him for the u21's he had a big future for Tyrone. Decent hands, good engine, strong and can kick a point. Just think if he decides to bring in Brennan he could be the most likely to go in the half back line or half forward line. The one area he needs to improve on is his decision making. He can get on a serious amount of ball in a game and if he is a bit more consistent in using it can be a big player.
Tough game to call, tyrone are rightly marginal favourites on account of beating Donegal and Mayo's patchy form.
For Mayo to win, we need to play for 55-60 minutes which is something we haven't done in a long time. In particular, we need AOS (at MF) and COC to have good games. We need DOC back also, he's a top quality player and will cause problems for tyrone.
I'd be a little worried that the players don't fully buy into Rochford yet and that may explain some of the flatness so fartthis season. A win here could change that. Personally I think he's doing ok, I'd switch Higgins and McLoughlin but that's not going to happen at this stage. He's a little slower with substitutions than I would like.
Hard to know how good tyrone are, they needed a couple of wonder points to get past Donegal. That's probably not the sort of thing they can rely on in every game. They're probably similar to mayo in that they're at their best playing a running game and they tend not to rely on a "marquee" forward to get most of their scores.
I think we should plan to concede a free around the 45 out on the wing early on to put a bit of pressure on the tyrone freetaker, this is a weakness for them and we should look to put the pressure on there early with a couple of difficult kicks.
If DOC plays, I fancy us by 1-2 points.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:16:25 PM
Tough game to call, tyrone are rightly marginal favourites on account of beating Donegal and Mayo's patchy form.
For Mayo to win, we need to play for 55-60 minutes which is something we haven't done in a long time. In particular, we need AOS (at MF) and COC to have good games. We need DOC back also, he's a top quality player and will cause problems for tyrone.
I'd be a little worried that the players don't fully buy into Rochford yet and that may explain some of the flatness so fartthis season. A win here could change that. Personally I think he's doing ok, I'd switch Higgins and McLoughlin but that's not going to happen at this stage. He's a little slower with substitutions than I would like.
Hard to know how good tyrone are, they needed a couple of wonder points to get past Donegal. That's probably not the sort of thing they can rely on in every game. They're probably similar to mayo in that they're at their best playing a running game and they tend not to rely on a "marquee" forward to get most of their scores.
I think we should plan to concede a free around the 45 out on the wing early on to put a bit of pressure on the tyrone freetaker, this is a weakness for them and we should look to put the pressure on there early with a couple of difficult kicks.
If DOC plays, I fancy us by 1-2 points.
Look it's great to be where we are. If you were told after the defeat on that Saturday evening to Galway, we'd end up back in the quarters finals on the Connacht/Ulster side of the draw. You'd have been happy. Qualifiers are about getting through. And we got through with a few small questions asked.
Tyrone game is a one off. But sides are decent! Nobody after the game will say ''
That was a big surprise'' if one or the other wins. If Mayo lose they will be consigned as has beens of top 4/5/6. If Tyrone win it will be seen as them becoming more a football power again, if they lose and it's not by much, they will be seen as a team still developing.
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
No! An Ulster title in the bag. Back in Division One!
Tyrone might be the hungrier team and better on the sideline too with a manager the team seem to wholeheartedly trust. Mayo are more experienced on the big stage though and might be more up for this match than any other match this year. I think Mayo have better individuals whileTyrone perhaps have the better system. It's going to hard fought for whoever wins, in my opinion.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
Not a hope. He was under severe pressure two years ago when Armagh put us out but he has proven himself to be the only man to carry this team forward since then. Semi final last year and Ulster title this year has been a satisfactory return and we've a bunch of young guys coming through who appear to gelling very well into a potential AI winning team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
Can't imagine Harte is under any pressure, that would be ridiculous. Would the knives be out for Rochford if Mayo get beaten?
Can't see Mickey Harte getting ousted out of that job, not without a fight anyway. I think he'd have the full backing of his players too if push came to shove (not that it will anytime soon anyway).
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
Can't imagine Harte is under any pressure, that would be ridiculous. Would the knives be out for Rochford if Mayo get beaten?
It seems like nearly every season tyrone have been knocked out, there are a few (sometimes more than a few) calling for his head - there definitely were 3 years ago when we beat them narrowly in a sf.
As for Rochford, there will be a few whinging about him not being up to it and more (generally from outside the county) saying that the player revolt cost us but most supporters will be happy to give him another 2 years and see how he gets on.
What's the Mayo lads view on the job Tony McEntee has done since joining the management team? I thought it was a big coup for you at the time as I've always thought he was a very intelligent guy and talks a lot of sense about the game and how it should be played. Has be bought about any discernible change in your style of play?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Would the knives be out in some quarters for MH if tyrone were to lose this?
Can't imagine Harte is under any pressure, that would be ridiculous. Would the knives be out for Rochford if Mayo get beaten?
It seems like nearly every season tyrone have been knocked out, there are a few (sometimes more than a few) calling for his head - there definitely were 3 years ago when we beat them narrowly in a sf.
As for Rochford, there will be a few whinging about him not being up to it and more (generally from outside the county) saying that the player revolt cost us but most supporters will be happy to give him another 2 years and see how he gets on.
I think Rochford needs to build his own team and implement his style with a younger group, which could take a couple of years. The fact remains that the majority of the group he's working with now are James Horan's players and I don't know if they feel comfortable playing any other way after doing things the Horan way for so many years (even though I don't believe Horan was ever going to win an All-Ireland doing things the way he was doing it). Rochford needs a semi-clean slate to really make his mark in Mayo and forge a new identity for the team. All that said, I still think Mayo have a big performance in them yet and wouldn't be surprised at all if they take Tyrone out.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
What's the Mayo lads view on the job Tony McEntee has done since joining the management team? I thought it was a big coup for you at the time as I've always thought he was a very intelligent guy and talks a lot of sense about the game and how it should be played. Has be bought about any discernible change in your style of play?
Player Positions are all over the place with the Mayo team. Nine to ten of the Mayo team move around during the progress of a game. The only thing I have noticed from McEntee was when we played Kildare and they tried to provoke us, he was in like a flash with his arm around the targeted player and switching him for 5 minutes until the player cleared his head. Then he'd be moved back. Bar the Higgins/McLoughin experiment it's hard to see what else new has been brought to the table.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
What's the Mayo lads view on the job Tony McEntee has done since joining the management team? I thought it was a big coup for you at the time as I've always thought he was a very intelligent guy and talks a lot of sense about the game and how it should be played. Has be bought about any discernible change in your style of play?
Very difficult to say how much McEntee is responsible for tbh. Add that to the fact that we haven't played great all year means it's hard to point to much that he's improved. Like you, I was happy when I heard he was coming onboard as he brings good experience, hopefully him and the rest of the mgmt team will show their worth next weekend.
No, there'll be no calls for MH's managerial head on a plate, regardless of how it goes on Saturday next.
His lieutenants, in Devlin and Donnelly, have played their parts too, and the greater 70+ minutes stamina of this particular Tyrone team is testimony to their efforts, specifically on the latter's behalf.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
No, there'll be no calls for MH's managerial head on a plate, regardless of how it goes on Saturday next.
His lieutenants, in Devlin and Donnelly, have played their parts too, and the greater 70+ minutes stamina of this particular Tyrone team is testimony to their efforts, specifically on the latter's behalf.
He reminds me of Sean Boylan when Meath were good. They were fiercely loyal. He was like the Meath whisperer.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2016, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
No, there'll be no calls for MH's managerial head on a plate, regardless of how it goes on Saturday next.
His lieutenants, in Devlin and Donnelly, have played their parts too, and the greater 70+ minutes stamina of this particular Tyrone team is testimony to their efforts, specifically on the latter's behalf.
He reminds me of Sean Boylan when Meath were good. They were fiercely loyal. He was like the Meath whisperer.
BTW Aul horse has been behaving himself quare an well the year
Should Tyrone lose (unlikely), Mickey will quick as a flash blame the media witch hunt after the Tiernan McCann 'incident' for unduly influencing the outcome.
Oh wait, hasn't that one been used already? maybe there's still a bit of life left in it, go green recycle a conspiracy.
Tyrone should win this one with points to spare.
This game's on Sky, most GAA viewers will miss it.
2009 was the last time Tyrone won All Ireland quarter final as Ulster champions, 2009 was the last year Mayo lost All Ireland quarter final.
2009 produced a back door All Ireland winner from Munster. History to repeat itself in 2016 Tipperary anyone?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 01, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
2009 was the last time Tyrone won All Ireland quarter final as Ulster champions, 2009 was the last year Mayo lost All Ireland quarter final.
2013 was a different Tyrone team, never mind 2009! The 2016 vintage is of steelier stuff altogether I tell you ;)
I think it will benefit Tyrone that we didn't play Mayo since the league last year. I think the Mayo posters on here are underestimating how hard it is to score against us from play.
I think Mayo will love to run at our desensive wall trying to punch holes in it but as Derry and Cavan found out they get numbers sucked in and then we break at speed.
Donegal were wise to that and didn't even try and so you got a lot of the lateral passing ending in shooting from distance.
I noticed Kerry took a lot of short passes from frees on Sunday rather than kick them long in hope. Tyrone did the same in the Ulster final.
I think Ronan could lose out on Saturday as he's been very quiet in the last two games. McShane is one of our best players in the forward line and also good for winning kickouts.
Mayo have the potential but will really have to work their asses off inside the Tyrone half. AOS has been quiet all year but you know he can win a high ball and score goals given the right ball. I think CoC and Regan will be suffocated.
I agree Fuzz. I don't think Mayo can just rock up and expect to beat this Tyrone defence without a well worked out game plan. This may be were McEntee earns his corn but time may be against them. Players like Regan, Coc, DoC and Aiden O'Se are perfect for the Tyrone defensive system. O'Se sticking his head down and running into blind allies is something Mayo must be working on avoiding on Saturday. The Cavan drawn game should give them their answer but hopefully we've shored up those problems!
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2016, 11:22:32 PM
Mayo coming to the boil nicely.They should be able to take Tyrone as Donegal would have done had they had the courage to cut loose.
The great seer has spoken ... put the house on Tyrone ::)
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As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
I don't see how this Mayo team could be 'on the wane' though. The age profile is not actually that old. Many of their players would be of a similar age to Dublin's players and younger than some of Kerry's key players. Granted, they haven't won an All-Ireland in order to feed that craving for some reward for the work they're putting in, which may make one disillusioned, but I wouldn't be so quick to declare that they are in decline. Tyrone are a team who appear to be improving and perhaps Mayo haven't been operating at 100% yet, but Mayo have a very good squad and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they have another gear when they need to find it. I said in the Westmeath v Mayo thread that there's no sense in hammering teams in the qualifiers. The latter stages of the championship is where good form matters. Mayo are more than capable of a big performance and a written off Mayo is a dangerous animal. The underdog tag has suited them rather well in the past. If Tyrone are going to win, they're going to have to fight for it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
Definitely not talking Mayo down, you're getting a bit sensitive as the day approaches. 😀 My post was just a thought about whether Mayo have had time to work on breaking down a defence unlike any they have faced in the past. Like Fuzz said, if you run into the wall it will play into Tyrone hands and will turn you over and break at pace. Donegal chose not to engage, Cavan went over the top. How do you envisage Mayo will approach it?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
This is kinda where I'm at. Mayo are good enough to win quarter and semi finals. And they're good enough to beat Tyrone I'm confident about Tyrones ability but you have to say only an eejit would make one team hot favourites over another.
Definitely not talking Mayo down, you're getting a bit sensitive as the day approaches. 😀 My post was just a thought about whether Mayo have had time to work on breaking down a defence unlike any they have faced in the past. Like Fuzz said, if you run into the wall it will play into Tyrone hands and will turn you over and break at pace. Donegal chose not to engage, Cavan went over the top. How do you envisage Mayo will approach it?
Wouldnt be underestimating Mayo in the slightest, they are a great team with great players that should have got over the line in the past few years.
It will take a great performance from a great team to beat them and I believe that will be the case this weekend
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Should Tyrone lose (unlikely), Mickey will quick as a flash blame the media witch hunt after the Tiernan McCann 'incident' for unduly influencing the outcome.
Oh wait, hasn't that one been used already? maybe there's still a bit of life left in it, go green recycle a conspiracy.
Tyrone should win this one with points to spare.
This game's on Sky, most GAA viewers will miss it.
Longford ehh ;D ;D ;D ;D
Looking forward to this one. Mayo have put in their best performances this year when the pressure has been on, Monaghan and Roscommon away in the league. DOC will be back, I'd expect Parsons and Chris Barrett to push hard for a start too...
Tyrone looking strong, better than they have for a few years. Should be a great game.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 01, 2016, 09:00:35 PM
Wouldnt be underestimating Mayo in the slightest, they are a great team with great players that should have got over the line in the past few years.
It will take a great performance from a great team to beat them and I believe that will be the case this weekend
Galway beat them and have since proved not to be a great team. Mickey Harte is building another All Ireland winning team but I think it will be another year or two before that is achieved. At moment neither Mayo or Tyrone are great teams.
Mayo are a great team. Tyrone are learning.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
Definitely not talking Mayo down, you're getting a bit sensitive as the day approaches. 😀 My post was just a thought about whether Mayo have had time to work on breaking down a defence unlike any they have faced in the past. Like Fuzz said, if you run into the wall it will play into Tyrone hands and will turn you over and break at pace. Donegal chose not to engage, Cavan went over the top. How do you envisage Mayo will approach it?
Probably a mix of going over the top and running into it - hopefully in waves popping passes rather than isolated one man shows. We haven't really been great at taking points from distance this year so I can't see us kicking the kind of points Donegal did in that first half.
I hope Barrett starts, he had a massive game against Tyrone in 2013 and he's a tight defender. Not sure who I'd drop, possibly Keane although that would leave us vulnerable to the high ball
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
Definitely not talking Mayo down, you're getting a bit sensitive as the day approaches. 😀 My post was just a thought about whether Mayo have had time to work on breaking down a defence unlike any they have faced in the past. Like Fuzz said, if you run into the wall it will play into Tyrone hands and will turn you over and break at pace. Donegal chose not to engage, Cavan went over the top. How do you envisage Mayo will approach it?
Probably a mix of going over the top and running into it - hopefully in waves popping passes rather than isolated one man shows. We haven't really been great at taking points from distance this year so I can't see us kicking the kind of points Donegal did in that first half.
I hope Barrett starts, he had a massive game against Tyrone in 2013 and he's a tight defender. Not sure who I'd drop, possibly Keane although that would leave us vulnerable to the high ball
Clarke
Barrett Keane Higgins
Vaughan Keegan Boyle
Parsons S O Shea
D O Connor A O Shea K Mcloughlin (sweeper)
E Regan A Moran C O Connor
Should be the Mayo starting 15 this Saturday. A seasoned and experienced outfit that Tyrone will have to be at their very best to beat.
I'd like to see Niall McKenna on the bench as he offers us a good aerial presence in the full forward line if we want to mix it up.
Doubt we will see it. Wonder if Big Joe will be back.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 01, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
I'd like to see Niall McKenna on the bench as he offers us a good aerial presence in the full forward line if we want to mix it up.
Doubt we will see it. Wonder if Big Joe will be back.
What are you basing this McKenna thing on, ure championing it thas while now
Quote from: redzone on August 01, 2016, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 01, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
I'd like to see Niall McKenna on the bench as he offers us a good aerial presence in the full forward line if we want to mix it up.
Doubt we will see it. Wonder if Big Joe will be back.
What are you basing this McKenna thing on, ure championing it thas while now
Il Bomber - you sound like the Donaghmore chairman the way you go on about NMK. There is a MASSIVE difference between div2 games and inter county games at the top level - MASSIVE difference....I seen him lately and he looked decent but only in spurts. A county player should be ripping Div2 defences to shreds every week and hitting 1.7 or similar frequently and NMK is not doing it. I don't think he is ruthless enough to make it, if you get a goal chance you must take it and he doesn't !!! By the way, I actually like him and feel he could do a good job at 10 or 12 at county level where score taking is not a priority but I am not MH .
50/50 game in my book. mayo i feel will keep it very tight and go for broke last 10. fancy mayo just.
The strength on the respective benches will figure in this one I'd say, and currently we're not too shabbily appointed in that respect -- it could indeed come down to the last 10 minutes, and that's where the bench will tell.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 01, 2016, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2016, 07:09:58 PM
As the game draws nearer, I can sense fear among our Northern Brethren. The last couple of posts have been taken up with talking Mayo down, rather than Tyrone up! Listening to Uncle Peter telling you - you are the second best team in the country is one thing. Proving it is a completely different thing. This Mayo side may be on the wane, but they have leaders all over the place. and they have not taken a easy beating in Croker in a long time. 2011 was the last v Kerry. I am looking forward to this game. If we are good enough we will beat Tyrone. If not good enough - then better off on our Arses back home, than delaying the inevitable beating to Kerry/Dublin later.
Definitely not talking Mayo down, you're getting a bit sensitive as the day approaches. 😀 My post was just a thought about whether Mayo have had time to work on breaking down a defence unlike any they have faced in the past. Like Fuzz said, if you run into the wall it will play into Tyrone hands and will turn you over and break at pace. Donegal chose not to engage, Cavan went over the top. How do you envisage Mayo will approach it?
Probably a mix of going over the top and running into it - hopefully in waves popping passes rather than isolated one man shows. We haven't really been great at taking points from distance this year so I can't see us kicking the kind of points Donegal did in that first half.
I hope Barrett starts, he had a massive game against Tyrone in 2013 and he's a tight defender. Not sure who I'd drop, possibly Keane although that would leave us vulnerable to the high ball
Clarke
Barrett Keane Higgins
Vaughan Keegan Boyle
Parsons S O Shea
D O Connor A O Shea K Mcloughlin (sweeper)
E Regan A Moran C O Connor
Should be the Mayo starting 15 this Saturday. A seasoned and experienced outfit that Tyrone will have to be at their very best to beat.
On paper that's a serious team. Whether there still up to old standards remains to be seen. Actually what I meant is that it's a serious team of which I'd be afraid up until you read the FF line. Not that the inside guys are terrible but that supporting cast never get the best out of them. Realistically I can see us closing down those inside lads as we've done before. The wining and losing of this game is to see who's running game is stronger. Your middle 8 with the exception of McLaughlin are seasoned pro's at the running game and as Harte has figured it's how you beat a blanket defence, Moran figured it against Donegal some seasons earlier but got picked apart by the moneybags.
This has the makings of a hundred pager :D
Mayo are Sh1te!
;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-zbs0xIpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-zbs0xIpU)
Mayo will win if they clean up their act and the better O'Connor is playing, but their form to date suggests even a 55 minute performance may be beyond them at this stage of the team's lifespan. Tyrone have their own frailties to say the least but at least they have a bit more consistency to their play. The last time these two met the result was never really in doubt.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2016, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 01, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
2009 was the last time Tyrone won All Ireland quarter final as Ulster champions, 2009 was the last year Mayo lost All Ireland quarter final.
2013 was a different Tyrone team, never mind 2009! The 2016 vintage is of steelier stuff altogether I tell you ;)
Tyrone were a little unlucky in 2013. It wasn't a vintage Tyrone side but they had Mayo rattled in the first half, panic spread through that Mayo team for a spell. Ultimately Tyrone weren't capable of driving on from that early position - although the loss of Peter Harte and Stephen O'Neill to injury and a very poor refereeing decision to give Mayo a penalty - didn't help either. Tyrone are certainly a better team now, but even that team exposed a few weaknesses in Mayo.
Someone mentioned Tyrone - Dublin in 2008 earlier and there are definitely similarities. Tyrone have been made favourites here despite having achieved less on the national stage in recent years than Mayo, just like Dublin in 2008. Tyrone also went into that game having played well in spells on their way to the quarters, without having put in a 70 minute performance. It's set up nicely for Mayo and I wouldn't be surprised if they win. Real test for Tyrone and a different challenge to Donegal. Win this and the talk of an All Ireland will be more realistic.
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities. Andy Moran has added a new dimension to their attack as a target man and is smart on the ball. A fully fit Diarmuid O'Connor is going to take some stopping and Cillian O'Connor contributed well against Westmeath. For me, Mayo's real problem, as always, is the vulnerabilities in their full back line. Kevin Keane is not mobile enough and fouls far too often, and I think Mickey Harte will seek to catch him out. Kevin McLoughlin is unproven in his new role and I think Tyrone will target him too. Tyrone's counter-attacking game will put the Mayo full back line under massive pressure if given half a chance. I could see Tyrone aiming to strike early with a goal or two and kill the game off.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Quote from: redzone on August 01, 2016, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 01, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
I'd like to see Niall McKenna on the bench as he offers us a good aerial presence in the full forward line if we want to mix it up.
Doubt we will see it. Wonder if Big Joe will be back.
What are you basing this McKenna thing on, ure championing it thas while now
He offers us a different threat in the full forward line to what we have.
Looks like Keith Higgins will be deployed in the half forward line going on the weekend - I would expect mayo to match him up on Peter Harte in an attempt to keep Peter out of the game. Donegal did this to us with Ryan Mc Hugh and it worked a treat for 35 mins. I'm more nervous about this game the closer it gets. Mayo are seasoned, we will improve in the wide open spaces off Croker. I think our superior scoring threat will get us over the line
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Don't be getting carried away!
Dunno why but i just get a feeling mayo will win this. All this talk of previous form means nothing i think. They were caught cold by Galway and were never going to lose their other games. The real stuff starts now.
Would probably prefer Tyrone to win it but just not sure they have it yet.
Harte is more HF though is he not so if Higgins plays up front then wouldn't mark him? I think Tyrone really need to learn from the damage Ryan McHugh did the last day though to be fair he is turning into a great player which mayo might not have as good as in that area.
While tyrone only won by a point when they closed the McHugh gap then Donegal couldn't break them down at all apart from the odd McNiallis point. Interesting game in store I think. I think Dublin could steamroll donegal so this would be game of weekend...
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Don't be getting carried away!
It was actually 14 in one game but anyway back to how great Tyrone are
Am I the only one that thinks Mayo have done what they had to do so far in the qualifiers and have never looked like losing any of the three games?
The Galway game I think after 10 mins of the second half they were thinking who would mark which of the roscommon players, switched off when the game was in the bag and then couldn't come out of it.
A good start on Saturday and I don't see us doing the same thing because we're unlikely to get 12 points ahead but also this game will be a lot higher intensity, it'll make it easier to be switched on
Tyrone were impressive up to the Ulster final but Donegal should have won that, they had a stone wall 13 yard free not given to put them two points up and that was it.
I'd like to see AOS in FF and COC on the 40. It would give the tyrone sweeper something to watch and free up Andy and Regan to make runs and win ball
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Mayo have done what they had to do so far in the qualifiers and have never looked like losing any of the three games?
The Galway game I think after 10 mins of the second half they were thinking who would mark which of the roscommon players, switched off when the game was in the bag and then couldn't come out of it.
A good start on Saturday and I don't see us doing the same thing because we're unlikely to get 12 points ahead but also this game will be a lot higher intensity, it'll make it easier to be switched on
Tyrone were impressive up to the Ulster final but Donegal should have won that, they had a stone wall 13 yard free not given to put them two points up and that was it.
I'd like to see AOS in FF and COC on the 40. It would give the tyrone sweeper something to watch and free up Andy and Regan to make runs and win ball
Part of what you say is true. Qualifiers are all about getting through. Especially as the games come hard and fast. You have only a week turnaround to the next game, so knocks and injuries have to be avoided more.
The only basis for Tyrone being favourites over Mayo is that they beat Donegal.
The only basis for Mayo not being favourites over Tyrone is that they lost to Galway.
There is no other Result(s) in the last 6 months that makes either team
sound better or worse than the other.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Mayo have done what they had to do so far in the qualifiers and have never looked like losing any of the three games?
I watched the Fermanagh game and I thought they looked possible losers in that game but for the O'Shea Dive?
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Mayo have done what they had to do so far in the qualifiers and have never looked like losing any of the three games?
I watched the Fermanagh game and I thought they looked possible losers in that game but for the O'Shea Dive?
Mayo outscored 1-10 to Fermanagh's 0-2 in the 2nd half to win by 5. After ht there was only going to be one winner.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Mayo have done what they had to do so far in the qualifiers and have never looked like losing any of the three games?
The Galway game I think after 10 mins of the second half they were thinking who would mark which of the roscommon players, switched off when the game was in the bag and then couldn't come out of it.
A good start on Saturday and I don't see us doing the same thing because we're unlikely to get 12 points ahead but also this game will be a lot higher intensity, it'll make it easier to be switched on
Tyrone were impressive up to the Ulster final but Donegal should have won that, they had a stone wall 13 yard free not given to put them two points up and that was it.
I'd like to see AOS in FF and COC on the 40. It would give the tyrone sweeper something to watch and free up Andy and Regan to make runs and win ball
Part of what you say is true. Qualifiers are all about getting through. Especially as the games come hard and fast. You have only a week turnaround to the next game, so knocks and injuries have to be avoided more.
The only basis for Tyrone being favourites over Mayo is that they beat Donegal.
The only basis for Mayo not being favourites over Tyrone is that they lost to Galway.
There is no other Result(s) in the last 6 months that makes either team sound better or worse than the other.
I've mentioned before about how much of a tight game this is going to be and how much I am wary of Mayo. But at the risk of being accused of arrogance about Tyrone etc...the confidence in Tyrone is much more than we just beat Donegal. Anyone following Tyrone over the past 3 or 4 years will have seen the development of this team into where they are today. Tyrone got to the AI semi in 2013 but nobody really expected an AI out of the team and we met a very good Mayo team who appeared to be destined for Sam. An AI U21 crown provided a huge boost to the squad, coupled with the addition of Peter Donnelly provided the impetus to get to last years AI semi final. Again, we went into that game in hope rather than expectation, it felt a bit too early but a lot of younger players gained big game experience during that run and we were closer that day than many would have thought. Fast forward a year and Tyrone are playing a brand of football that is 3 or 4 years in the making, with young, hungry and hugely fit and talented players. Players coming off the bench like Brennan, Monroe, McCurry, Meyler, McGeary, McMahon (and Lee Brennan who is yet to be unleashed) shows good strength in depth. Yes, beating Donegal was hugely important from a team development point of view, as was lifting the Anglo Celt, but it's not the sole reason why Tyrone supporters are feeling a bit confident again. This has nothing to do with Mayo, in fact if anything, playing a team like Mayo has dampened expectations and bought a fair deal of reality to the situation....I.e. Tyrone could get beaten here, unless we are on top of our game. If we are beaten, then this season was another year too early, but it won't undo the good work of the past few years.
Beating Donegal in the Ulster Championship is no mean feat. While Donegal may not have the legs for Croke Park anymore, they are a formidable outfit in Ulster and it was a gutsy performance against a team whose style we have found very difficult to counter.
The way Mayo play and our solid defensive shape gives me a lot of confidence though there's no doubting Mayo will be a huge test.
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Is Galway winning Connacht this year the start or the end of this team?
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
The 1923 Ulster Championship was probably the beginning for this particular team, give or take.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Mayo have not yet met a team that have the 'quality defensive system in place' that Tyrone has. So this is a massive test to see how much 'good ball' Mayo can get into their forwards. Tyrone are lethal at converting 'turnovers' into great scoring opportunities.
Lot of talk about black cards the last few games and hopefully we don't see another controversial decision to decide this game. Gough reffed our Cavan game very well I thought and wasn't giving away easy frees. Hopefully he's the same in Croker as our game plan is based a lot on crowding out players and not giving away scoreable frees.
Having Mattie back will be vital but I think he needs to focus more on playing the ball and not using his physicality so much to overpower his opponent. I think he gives away quite a few frees for no reason.
However, he usually kicks a few points each game and we did very well to come from 4 points down without him to beat Donegal.
Mayo will show Tyrone little fear or respect like Donegal did which could work well for them in one way or be the reason why they could lose it.
It should be a fascinating contest against two teams with very different styles and at different stages of their progress.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Is Galway winning Connacht this year the start or the end of this team?
probably the shtart. I think Galway still have more all Irelands than Tyrone.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Is Galway winning Connacht this year the start or the end of this team?
probably the shtart. I think Galway still have more all Irelands than Tyrone.
Congratulations Seafoid, I'm sure that will keep you happy as Tipp take the field in a few weeks time. Not relevant in this thread though!
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Can I have this stat please?
Because I'm calling bullshit
League and Championship todate this year
2016
And in only the games COC played in
Also are you just another Syferus/larry/whoever else account?
Lots of fence sitting. Be careful of blisters. I am going to put head out and say Tyrone by 4 pts. Mayo have a running half back line that don't look to be on top form. If they go forward and run into the tyrone barricade they will break at pace. Tyrone have the patience to bring Mayo onto them and break the attack. I believe pace to be the winner together with football ability. Mayo have a few superstars but Tyrone are playing like a team. For me this will be the winner.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Mayo have not yet met a team that have the 'quality defensive system in place' that Tyrone has. So this is a massive test to see how much 'good ball' Mayo can get into their forwards. Tyrone are lethal at converting 'turnovers' into great scoring opportunities.
A defensive unit that has coughed up 16 and 23 points against Cavan in championship football this year? I'm sure they have
Mayo by 3 in a blistering encounter
There's a few people claiming Tyrone will suck the Mayo defenders in a then turn them over but I don't think that will happen that often as all teams now know that you play around the defensive structure and try to punch holes in it patiently. If it's not on you come back out and work it to somewhere else. This is why so many games are barely watchable as you see one team walk around with the ball 55 yards from goal and the other team walk around 5 yards in front of them in their defensive shield.
I think Mayo players are experienced enough to not fall into the trap too often and when they do they'll be organised enough to get back in time. Mayo's problem will probably be a lack of players who can take a half chance under immense pressure just to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Like Donegal Tyrone this game will probably be decided by the team who can get the most 1 out of 10 shots or the one that doesn't pass up the few gimmies they create. Mayo don't have the best record in this regard but if they can get a goal then I think they can win.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Don't be getting carried away!
This is just one example. Count the different Mayo scorers.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0804/466351-mayo-donegal/
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Don't be getting carried away!
This is just one example. Count the different Mayo scorers.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0804/466351-mayo-donegal/
It's the ONLY example since 2012. Do you expect 12 or 13 Mayo scorers on Saturday?
Quote from: JoG2 on August 02, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on August 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Mayo have not yet met a team that have the 'quality defensive system in place' that Tyrone has. So this is a massive test to see how much 'good ball' Mayo can get into their forwards. Tyrone are lethal at converting 'turnovers' into great scoring opportunities.
A defensive unit that has coughed up 16 and 23 points against Cavan in championship football this year? I'm sure they have
Mayo by 3 in a blistering encounter
Talk about confirmation bias. Cavan scored 7 points the first day out and we conceded 3 extremely soft goals and the second day out Cavan were at 10 points with twelve to play (Tyrone 4-10) and doubled their total when the match was over as a contest. Our defence is improving all the time and I feel if we can keep Mayo from scoring a goal we should have enough to get over the line.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 02, 2016, 03:34:14 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 02, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on August 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 02, 2016, 12:19:24 AM
Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Cillian O'Connor is statistically the most relied upon forward in the game. He shoulders more of the scoring responsibilities for Mayo than Conor McManus does for Monaghan. Not having any consistent back up for him who can score from play has been an issue. Their biggest issue is their full back line though.
Mayo have not yet met a team that have the 'quality defensive system in place' that Tyrone has. So this is a massive test to see how much 'good ball' Mayo can get into their forwards. Tyrone are lethal at converting 'turnovers' into great scoring opportunities.
A defensive unit that has coughed up 16 and 23 points against Cavan in championship football this year? I'm sure they have
Mayo by 3 in a blistering encounter
Talk about confirmation bias. Cavan scored 7 points the first day out and we conceded 3 extremely soft goals and the second day out Cavan were at 10 points with twelve to play (Tyrone 4-10) and doubled their total when the match was over as a contest. Our defence is improving all the time and I feel if we can keep Mayo from scoring a goal we should have enough to get over the line.
Tyrone are a well oiled machine defensively, but to say Mayo have not met a defence like it before is stretching it, but that's the hype machine for you, she's in overdrive
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Mayo had a spread of 9 different scorers against Westmeath. That's much better than what we're used to seeing from them when Cillian O'Connor was shouldering most of the scoring responsibilities.
A key feature of this Mayo group of players since 2012 has been a big spread of scorers and some games has had 12 or 13 different Mayo scorers.
Don't be getting carried away!
This is just one example. Count the different Mayo scorers.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0804/466351-mayo-donegal/
It's the ONLY example since 2012. Do you expect 12 or 13 Mayo scorers on Saturday?
There is more examples last years Connacht final the most recent. I was replying Zeit above who had the opinion that Mayo having 9 different scorers in a game was something new for them when in fact it's a trademark of this team.
12 or 13 no but don't be surprised if Mayo end up with 8 or 9 different scorers v Tyrone on Saturday. And just to let you know in the last championship meeting Mayo had a good spread of scorers v Tyrone
It is not unusual for up to 4 of our starting backs (Keegan, Durkan, Boyle & Higgins) to get on the scoresheet these days. Unfortunately it is not unusual for 3 or 4 of our starting forwards not to score at all. So who knows what that means for saturday.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 04:13:13 PM
It is not unusual for up to 4 of our starting backs (Keegan, Durkan, Boyle & Higgins) to get on the scoresheet these days. Unfortunately it is not unusual for 3 or 4 of our starting forwards not to score at all. So who knows what that means for saturday.
Muppet, It matters not a Sh1te who scores, so long as someone is scoring! We have been hearing this Marquee forward malarkey for 5 years now. That's not the problem!
It is FoB, whether Mayo folk like it or not. Mind you it's increasingly defenders who are getting the chances as they are the ones breaking the line and are generally not being man marked so we could be entering a new world where it's a marquee defender that's required!
With the greatest respect to Tipperary this match is effectively for a place in this years AI final. I believe that Tyrone will allow Mayo to run the ball up until the 45m line, then attempt to turn them over and hit them with fast transitions. Unless Mayo can come up with some new innovative tactic within 7 days, I don't see how they can break down the Tyrone defence often enough to get the scores necessary to win. Mickey Harte to effectively seal his 4th AI final appearance a lot easier than expected.
Speed, Brut force and fitness will break Tyrone's defense, has Mayo got all these at the minute.....i don't know.
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
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How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Is Galway winning Connacht this year the start or the end of this team?
probably the shtart. I think Galway still have more all Irelands than Tyrone.
Congratulations Seafoid, I'm sure that will keep you happy as Tipp take the field in a few weeks time. Not relevant in this thread though!
There will be another one on next year Benny.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Mayo have beaten everyone except Kerry as far as I know.
Maybe this is their year.
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Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
How long has this Tyrone team been going for?
Is Galway winning Connacht this year the start or the end of this team?
probably the shtart. I think Galway still have more all Irelands than Tyrone.
Congratulations Seafoid, I'm sure that will keep you happy as Tipp take the field in a few weeks time. Not relevant in this thread though!
There will be another one on next year Benny.
😂
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
They must be reading the comments of the Tyrone posters here. They must be getting carried away with all the hype that is telling us that a team who conceded 18 points to a tired Kerry team last year has suddenly turned into the most formidable defensive unit ever assembled.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
They must be reading the comments of the Tyrone posters here. They must be getting carried away with all the hype that is telling us that a team who conceded 18 points to a tired Kerry team last year has suddenly turned into the most formidable defensive unit ever assembled.
Equally too - the other group of fans are also getting carried away by thinking that their forward line resembles Dublin's. Will be tight as it is historically between these teams but Tyrone to win
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
They must be reading the comments of the Tyrone posters here. They must be getting carried away with all the hype that is telling us that a team who conceded 18 points to a tired Kerry team last year has suddenly turned into the most formidable defensive unit ever assembled.
Mayo lads on here were talking of 3 in a row All Irelands a few years ago.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
In all seriousness, how the feck have you lads not managed to win the All Ireland in at least one of those years??
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
In all seriousness, how the feck have you lads not managed to win the All Ireland in at least one of those years??
Let's not even talk about that!
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
Cork,Dublin,Donegal and only Dublin were provincial winner that year.
Tyrone have been poor enough over the last 5 years. Why is this year supposed to be different? Weren't the Ulster champions in the form of Monaghan dumped out at quarter final stage in 2014 and 15?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
In all seriousness, how the feck have you lads not managed to win the All Ireland in at least one of those years??
Because the All Ireland winners those years was the best teams??
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 09:14:25 PM
Tyrone have been poor enough over the last 5 years. Why is this year supposed to be different? Weren't the Ulster champions in the form of Monaghan dumped out at quarter final stage in 2014 and 15?
Galway have been shite for years and beat Mayo to win a Connacht title - go figure! Improvement can occur! By the way it was Tyrone who dumped Monaghan last year and have been in the last 4 in two of the last three years. Again, someone with your fascination of Tyrone football would be blind not to see the upward trend.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
How many provincial winners have Mayo beaten in the last five years?
Dunno about Provincial winners, but we beat the reigning All-Ireland Champions in 2011, 2012 & 2013. We drew and lost the replay with the eventual winners in 2014 and 2015.
Cork,Dublin,Donegal and only Dublin were provincial winner that year.
In 2013 Tyrone had knocked out the Ulster champions in the qf, so we didn't get to play any provincial champs until the final. But we beat the team that had knocked out the Ulster champs.
Most teams getting to a final will probably beat only 1 provincial champ, and probably 2 provincial champs to win the AI, assuming you are Provincial Champions yourself. This year could have been a rare chance for us to play 3 of the 4 provincial champs, but Galway blew that one for us. :D
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 09:14:25 PM
Tyrone have been poor enough over the last 5 years. Why is this year supposed to be different? Weren't the Ulster champions in the form of Monaghan dumped out at quarter final stage in 2014 and 15?
Give it a rest FFS.
2013: AISF
2015: U21 AIW & AISF
2016: Unbeaten (so far)
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
I don't doubt that a Mayo win is possible larryin89, but we can only take the most recent form lines into account... though having said that the hyperbole in some quarters may be OTT. It won't be easy for either team, in victory.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
I think you are deliberately missing the point that nearly every Tyrone poster has said that they are very concerned about this game and, bar a bit if banter, are giving Mayo plenty of respect. You lads seem to want to paint a picture of everyone writing you off etc, which isn't what is happening. If Mayo win then they still are, what they have been for the last few years, a very good team and Tyrone aren't at that level just yet. That, however, doesn't mean that all the comments about Tyrone's progress isn't valid. Mayo have been operating at a higher level than Tyrone for a number of years but I think many people feel that the Galway defeat (one that wouldn't have happened in previous years) was a sign, rightly or wrongly, that they may just be slipping. This form has been franked by less than impressive qualifier performances. So a downward Mayo curve may be meeting an upward Tyrone one.....its just at which point they will meet. Tyrone fans, more than most, know what a run through the qualifiers can do for a team, so don't think for one minute they will be taking this game lightly. Saturday will answer all the questions.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
I think you are deliberately missing the point that nearly every Tyrone poster has said that they are very concerned about this game and, bar a bit if banter, are giving Mayo plenty of respect. You lads seem to want to paint a picture of everyone writing you off etc, which isn't what is happening. If Mayo win then they still are, what they have been for the last few years, a very good team and Tyrone aren't at that level just yet. That, however, doesn't mean that all the comments about Tyrone's progress isn't valid. Mayo have been operating at a higher level than Tyrone for a number of years but I think many people feel that the Galway defeat (one that wouldn't have happened in previous years) was a sign, rightly or wrongly, that they may just be slipping. This form has been franked by less than impressive qualifier performances. So a downward Mayo curve may be meeting an upward Tyrone one.....its just at which point they will meet. Tyrone fans, more than most, know what a run through the qualifiers can do for a team, so don't think for one minute they will be taking this game lightly. Saturday will answer all the questions.
Sickening arrogance from Tyrone supporters, I hope Rochford has this plastered up all over the walls on Saturday
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
Its definitely a paradox but I heard there are two separate research teams, one in Cambridge on in Princeton working on quantum models to explain it if it does actually happen. I heard they are struggling tho..
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
I think you are deliberately missing the point that nearly every Tyrone poster has said that they are very concerned about this game and, bar a bit if banter, are giving Mayo plenty of respect. You lads seem to want to paint a picture of everyone writing you off etc, which isn't what is happening. If Mayo win then they still are, what they have been for the last few years, a very good team and Tyrone aren't at that level just yet. That, however, doesn't mean that all the comments about Tyrone's progress isn't valid. Mayo have been operating at a higher level than Tyrone for a number of years but I think many people feel that the Galway defeat (one that wouldn't have happened in previous years) was a sign, rightly or wrongly, that they may just be slipping. This form has been franked by less than impressive qualifier performances. So a downward Mayo curve may be meeting an upward Tyrone one.....its just at which point they will meet. Tyrone fans, more than most, know what a run through the qualifiers can do for a team, so don't think for one minute they will be taking this game lightly. Saturday will answer all the questions.
Sickening arrogance from Tyrone supporters, I hope Rochford has this plastered up all over the walls on Saturday
I hope his preparation has more to it than that!
There is no form guide for Mayo. All we can say from championship games this year is that Mayo haven't been able to switch-on and play at a higher level when needed.... I.e.: they start at (well) less than 100% (cos they think that level would be good enough) and can't turn it up to 100% when required (Galway game) or think they have done enough and then can't turn the 'tap' back on when required (Westmeath game). We know absolutely nothing else and yet huge assumptions being made on the back of this.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
2 point winning margin maybe doesn't tell the whole story as far as that point is concerned. A feature of Donegal's wins over Tyrone in recent years was them taking control of the game in the second half. Tyrone wilted in those games, they couldn't cope when Donegal kicked (or indeed, handpassed) on for home. This year Donegal had Tyrone just where they wanted them at half-time, 3 points down and looking all at sea even earlier than in the previous games. Couple of key men black carded too. Donegal came out and hit a point straight away. From there on in Tyrone outscored them 0-9 to 0-3. Donegal looked the lost team at times in the half. A very dramatic transformation from the last few games and one that you would think would energise Tyrone and could demoralise Donegal.
For what it's worth I do think Tyrone are overhyped based on what they have done so far, the media want somebody to offer Dublin a challenge so Tyrone are being talked up.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
They must be reading the comments of the Tyrone posters here. They must be getting carried away with all the hype that is telling us that a team who conceded 18 points to a tired Kerry team last year has suddenly turned into the most formidable defensive unit ever assembled.
Mayo lads on here were talking of 3 in a row All Irelands a few years ago.
Yep. That was probably me - and me only! And only for a craven ref. and that Limerick charade I probably would have been right!
I clearly stated that I thought we would lose 3 AIs in a row which we probably would have if we had got over Kerry. Not a bad call after losing the 2012 one. You can spin it another way if you want of course if it makes you feel better about next weekend. But I m sure you know the difference between predicting getting to and losing 3 AIs and actually winning them!! Actually, with a stable management set-up last 6 years, we could be going for a five in a row of losses! Now that consistency.
Mayo consistency is admirable.
The smart man's argument is that Mayo not Tyrone are the real time on the up.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2016, 01:01:16 AM
Mayo consistency is admirable.
The smart man's argument is that Mayo not Tyrone are the real time on the up.
Why so?
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Yellowcard what county man are you?
Most worrying aspect to reading all the analysis /predictions on this game is not one neutral on tv/radio/paper fancies our bucks to pull off thier sixth q/f victory on the bounce.
The experts tend to congregate. I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
Agreed. In fact it worries me that they all think Tyrone will win.
They must be reading the comments of the Tyrone posters here. They must be getting carried away with all the hype that is telling us that a team who conceded 18 points to a tired Kerry team last year has suddenly turned into the most formidable defensive unit ever assembled.
Mayo lads on here were talking of 3 in a row All Irelands a few years ago.
Yep. That was probably me - and me only! And only for a craven ref. and that Limerick charade I probably would have been right!
I clearly stated that I thought we would lose 3 AIs in a row which we probably would have if we had got over Kerry. Not a bad call after losing the 2012 one. You can spin it another way if you want of course if it makes you feel better about next weekend. But I m sure you know the difference between predicting getting to and losing 3 AIs and actually winning them!! Actually, with a stable management set-up last 6 years, we could be going for a five in a row of losses! Now that consistency.
Handy I remember that too moy. You were so nearly correct. :-\
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 03, 2016, 12:29:25 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
But but Donegal could of easily have won the ulster final. I can understand the upward trajectory context about tyrone, its just hard to fathom why public opinion is so high on tyrone and so negative about Donegal.
If we beat tyrone how do people explain it ? Im being genuine when i ask this . People are leaving out one equation when predicting this game and thats the part that annoys a little. If mayo have been holding back and are about to unleash a monster of a game like 14/15 level we will beat Tyrone imo. Its a big if obviously but i do believe it should be followed by a tyrone win prediction.
2 point winning margin maybe doesn't tell the whole story as far as that point is concerned. A feature of Donegal's wins over Tyrone in recent years was them taking control of the game in the second half. Tyrone wilted in those games, they couldn't cope when Donegal kicked (or indeed, handpassed) on for home. This year Donegal had Tyrone just where they wanted them at half-time, 3 points down and looking all at sea even earlier than in the previous games. Couple of key men black carded too. Donegal came out and hit a point straight away. From there on in Tyrone outscored them 0-9 to 0-3. Donegal looked the lost team at times in the half. A very dramatic transformation from the last few games and one that you would think would energise Tyrone and could demoralise Donegal.
For what it's worth I do think Tyrone are overhyped based on what they have done so far, the media want somebody to offer Dublin a challenge so Tyrone are being talked up.
Tyrone's response to being 4 down at ht to Donegal was impressive, many teams would have accepted the inevitable
Just heard Oisin McConville on the Second Captains podcast virtually writing Mayo off and suggesting the weekend's games won't be as competitive as people are hoping or thinking. He was verging on dismissive. I would be very surprised if Tyrone walked this. They appear to be in a better position to win the match than Mayo based on current form, but I still think they'll have a fight on their hands.
I'll guess this team: 8)
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Lot of thought went into that selection I'd say never kicked.
Up til 2am or are you overseas?
I can see RoN losing out this time.
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I've heard a number of people suggest that Ronan O'Neill could be under pressure for a starting spot but I think Mickey will give him another shot. No full forward gets much joy out of the Donegal blanket and he had a thankless task. Mayo will have McLaughlin back sweeping but there'll be more room in there for the FF to work. Like above, I think Mickey will start the team that started in the Ulster final.
On a separate note, does anyone know the craic with Frank Burns? No sign of him this year at all. I was of the opinion that'd he'd be one of the first u-21s to make the breakthrough
I think that will be the team named to start with a late change of Rory brennan in for cathal mcshane to possibly keep an eye on keegan? I'm a fan of cathal mcshane think he does a lot of hard work so it would be harsh enough to drop him. Or else I'm talking nonsense and mcshane will start!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
I've heard a number of people suggest that Ronan O'Neill could be under pressure for a starting spot but I think Mickey will give him another shot. No full forward gets much joy out of the Donegal blanket and he had a thankless task. Mayo will have McLaughlin back sweeping but there'll be more room in there for the FF to work. Like above, I think Mickey will start the team that started in the Ulster final.
On a separate note, does anyone know the craic with Frank Burns? No sign of him this year at all. I was of the opinion that'd he'd be one of the first u-21s to make the breakthrough
He has failed to score from play in his last two games and McCurry has made impressive contributions coming in so its natural he is under pressure. I'd like to see Richie Donnelly in for McShane as they are very similar in style but Richie is more polished at this point.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 03, 2016, 01:57:01 AM
Just heard Oisin McConville on the Second Captains podcast virtually writing Mayo off and suggesting the weekend's games won't be as competitive as people are hoping or thinking. He was verging on dismissive. I would be very surprised if Tyrone walked this. They appear to be in a better position to win the match than Mayo based on current form, but I still think they'll have a fight on their hands.
I think Oisin is 100% right Tyrone by 4 plus ....Dublin by 6 plus!
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Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 03, 2016, 01:57:01 AM
Just heard Oisin McConville on the Second Captains podcast virtually writing Mayo off and suggesting the weekend's games won't be as competitive as people are hoping or thinking. He was verging on dismissive. I would be very surprised if Tyrone walked this. They appear to be in a better position to win the match than Mayo based on current form, but I still think they'll have a fight on their hands.
I think Oisin is 100% right Tyrone by 4 plus ....Dublin by 6 plus!
I heard him on Sunday morning on the radio saying that he though Mayo would win as Tyrone aren't as good as people think! Make up your mind awwwwsheeeen!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
I've heard a number of people suggest that Ronan O'Neill could be under pressure for a starting spot but I think Mickey will give him another shot. No full forward gets much joy out of the Donegal blanket and he had a thankless task. Mayo will have McLaughlin back sweeping but there'll be more room in there for the FF to work. Like above, I think Mickey will start the team that started in the Ulster final.
On a separate note, does anyone know the craic with Frank Burns? No sign of him this year at all. I was of the opinion that'd he'd be one of the first u-21s to make the breakthrough
He has failed to score from play in his last two games and McCurry has made impressive contributions coming in so its natural he is under pressure. I'd like to see Richie Donnelly in for McShane as they are very similar in style but Richie is more polished at this point.
I thought it was kinda of an understood thing now that McCurry is our key impact sub?
I'd start him every game but think Harte is using him as an option for defenses are tried as Dublin have those options of the bench!
All year the neutrals and media have been hyping Tyrone as they are hoping for someone new to challenge the Dubs.
Winning Div 2 and now Ulster has added fuel to that fire but of course it sets us up for a big fall.
Some would say we could have beaten Kerry in last year's semifinal had we taken our goal chances but others would say Kerry had another gear.
Most honest Tyrone fans would say we've definitely improved both defensively and in attack so that's why we feel so hopeful of getting to the final. However, we are well aware Mayo can lift their performance and came close to beating Dublin last year. They haven't been setting the world on fire so far this year and this is the reason I think the media have been playing down their chances v Tyrone. The media and neutral would probably rather see a Dub v Tyrone final and that's why all the Tyrone hype.
To me Mayo are in the ideal position psychologically before this game as they now have a point to prove that they should be favourites. Otherwise they could have underestimated this Tyrone team and been thinking of an easy enough semi prize.
I remember how I felt in 2004 as AI champions expecting to beat Mayo in the 1/4 final. We need to make sure they don't get early goals.
I have been looking for a while at this thread. I cannot understand all the hype around Tyrone. Where is the big result that makes this team so great? Is it that they won the McKenna Cup? Is it that they won Division two of the League? Is it that they took two games to get past Cavan shipping 5 goals in the process? Is it that they just beat a Donegal side in Transition? Is it that Peter Cavanan thinks they are Number 2 (no pun intended ;D ) in Ireland? The media are looking for a new Darling of Gaelic football. They are looking for a story. Galway looked like they could offer a story, and Tipp story will surely end in the semi-finals
The Cavan drawn game would never have happened to the Donegals, Kerry's or Dublins when they were coming of age. A meticulously put together defense, to which this teams is supposed to be back boned shipping 3 goals.
Anyway for my part - I can see no other winner other than Mayo. The stage is set for them. Take no head of their travels through the back-door. With the games coming around so quick, teams play within themselves. When I look at both squads I see at least double the amount of leaders on the Mayo team as to Tyrone. Believe me Tyrone have their leaders, just not as many.
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Thy Kingdom Come - The great Tyrone team of 2003 conceded 4 goals in the drawn ulster final with Down, but sure we know how that year finished ;-)
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Quote from: redhandofgod on August 03, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Thy Kingdom Come - The great Tyrone team of 2003 conceded 4 goals in the drawn ulster final with Down, but sure we know how that year finished ;-)
Are you putting the Current team on a Par with the 2003-08 vintage?
Mayo have only had 1 game this year where we had to play at 100%, where the season (to an extent) was on the line, where it was sh*t or burst ..... that was the league game v Ros. Defeat would have meant relegation at the hands of the sheep stealers which in turn would have destroyed this team and this year (plus another year or 2 along with it).
We all know what happened that day. That defeat for the Rossies was so comprehensive that it destroyed them as a team and ended their season.
Just saying
Quote from: blast05 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Mayo have only had 1 game this year where we had to play at 100%, where the season (to an extent) was on the line, where it was sh*t or burst ..... that was the league game v Ros. Defeat would have meant relegation at the hands of the sheep stealers which in turn would have destroyed this team and this year (plus another year or 2 along with it).
We all know what happened that day. That defeat for the Rossies was so comprehensive that it destroyed them as a team and ended their season.
Just saying
I think in retrospect you can see how shit we were post Donegal and it had feck all to do with Mayo who were far from AI standard themselves that day. We made that limited Galqay side look like AI contenders, so hanging your hat on that performance would be a strange thing to do.
If anything that level of performance against a team that subsequently showed no form at all should be very worrying if that was Mayo going all out. Mayo have been playing poorly throughout the year and it's hard to see them suddenly rolling back that next weekend.
Tyrone, again, are nothing special themselves but they're probably in a better headspace than a Mayo team who have heaped extra pressure on themselves this year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Mayo have only had 1 game this year where we had to play at 100%, where the season (to an extent) was on the line, where it was sh*t or burst ..... that was the league game v Ros. Defeat would have meant relegation at the hands of the sheep stealers which in turn would have destroyed this team and this year (plus another year or 2 along with it).
We all know what happened that day. That defeat for the Rossies was so comprehensive that it destroyed them as a team and ended their season.
Just saying
I think in retrospect you can see how shit we were post Donegal and it had feck all to do with Mayo who were far from AI standard themselves that day. We made that limited Galqay side look like AI contenders, so hanging your hat on that performance would be a strange thing to do.
If anything that level of performance against a team that subsequently showed no form at all should be very worrying if that was Mayo going all out. Mayo have been playing poorly throughout the year and it's hard to see them suddenly rolling back that next weekend.
Tyrone, again, are nothing special themselves but they're probably in a better headspace than a Mayo team who have heaped extra pressure on themselves this year.
Agree with the Rossie here! If you looking to that performance, you are desperate!
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Quote from: redhandofgod on August 03, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Thy Kingdom Come - The great Tyrone team of 2003 conceded 4 goals in the drawn ulster final with Down, but sure we know how that year finished ;-)
Are you putting the Current team on a Par with the 2003-08 vintage?
Not at all, you mentioned the concession of goals as the reason you were writing tyrone defence off. 2003 they conceded 4 goals in the ulster final. Yet against Kerry in the AISF the defence conceded only 6 points!!! Each game runs its own course and a team is measured in how you deal with set backs.
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 03, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
I have been looking for a while at this thread. I cannot understand all the hype around Tyrone. Where is the big result that makes this team so great? Is it that they won the McKenna Cup? Is it that they won Division two of the League? Is it that they took two games to get past Cavan shipping 5 goals in the process? Is it that they just beat a Donegal side in Transition? Is it that Peter Cavanan thinks they are Number 2 (no pun intended ;D ) in Ireland? The media are looking for a new Darling of Gaelic football. They are looking for a story. Galway looked like they could offer a story, and Tipp story will surely end in the semi-finals
The Cavan drawn game would never have happened to the Donegals, Kerry's or Dublins when they were coming of age. A meticulously put together defense, to which this teams is supposed to be back boned shipping 3 goals.
Anyway for my part - I can see no other winner other than Mayo. The stage is set for them. Take no head of their travels through the back-door. With the games coming around so quick, teams play within themselves. When I look at both squads I see at least double the amount of leaders on the Mayo team as to Tyrone. Believe me Tyrone have their leaders, just not as many.
Who is hyping Tyrone? A few have mentioned a solid defence and a good game plan and other that they are on an upward trajectory based on a couple of AI semi final appearances and an U21 all Ireland. Nobody is claiming we're all Ireland favourites or anything like. This post smacks of a Kerry man who is wriggling uncomfortably in his seat at the thought of another Tyrone emergence, frantically hoping Mayo stop Tyrone in their tracks as you can deal with them. I think you thought after Killarney and last year that you could rest easy for a few years!
If you are basing all your analysis on the goals in the Cavan game then you are making all the same mistakes your lads made in 2003.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
Really hard to judge until we see the games this weekend .
Tyrone won a below average Ulster championship . Donegal had to struggle to beat a bad cork team . Mayo lost to Galway . We will be a lot wiser Saturday evening at 8 pm . Can't wait .
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 03, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
I have been looking for a while at this thread. I cannot understand all the hype around Tyrone. Where is the big result that makes this team so great? Is it that they won the McKenna Cup? Is it that they won Division two of the League? Is it that they took two games to get past Cavan shipping 5 goals in the process? Is it that they just beat a Donegal side in Transition? Is it that Peter Cavanan thinks they are Number 2 (no pun intended ;D ) in Ireland? The media are looking for a new Darling of Gaelic football. They are looking for a story. Galway looked like they could offer a story, and Tipp story will surely end in the semi-finals
The Cavan drawn game would never have happened to the Donegals, Kerry's or Dublins when they were coming of age. A meticulously put together defense, to which this teams is supposed to be back boned shipping 3 goals.
Anyway for my part - I can see no other winner other than Mayo. The stage is set for them. Take no head of their travels through the back-door. With the games coming around so quick, teams play within themselves. When I look at both squads I see at least double the amount of leaders on the Mayo team as to Tyrone. Believe me Tyrone have their leaders, just not as many.
There is some truth to what you say I think. Honestly there are not many results in this game that would surprise me. Mayo are a seasoned team and IF they peak and Tyrone aren't what a lot of people believe then Mayo could hammer them. On the flip side if Tyrone are as good as some think and Mayo are poor like their last few games Tyrone could hammer them. Then Mayo could peak and Tyrone could be as good as some think and it could be tight. I think there are a lot of unanswered questions on both , which none of us can answer, and this game will answer some of those. Kerry and Dublin will still ask more questions mind you no matter who. I don't think Mayo have it in them to beat Dublin. If Tyrone are as good or better than some think then maybe they could but don't think Mayo could. I still think they will maybe come through. None of their games till now matter and even early qualifiers for example Armagh got beat by an average enough monaghan outfit in the first round and made an AI final. An early season defeat means nothing now.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
Slightly off topic but can anyone recommend a few good bars in Belfast this weekend to watch the double header in?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2016, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2016, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Quote from: ashman on August 03, 2016, 02:33:48 PM
Really hard to judge until we see the games this weekend .
Tyrone won a below average Ulster championship . Donegal had to struggle to beat a bad cork team . Mayo lost to Galway . We will be a lot wiser Saturday evening at 8 pm . Can't wait .
From seeing the game live, I thought that Donegal played in 2nd gear. There was no urgency in their play. They looked like they were trying to do as little as possible in preparation for next weekend.
I think Mayo tried the same, but they switched completely off in the second half and it nearly backfired.
Donegal are a better side at controlling a game, compared to Mayo. Murphy is someone who can do that. Mayo don't have a man in the middle with the same stature. Parson (who did not play) would be the closest. But he is a long way off Murphy!
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2016, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
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Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 03, 2016, 03:16:53 PM
Slightly off topic but can anyone recommend a few good bars in Belfast this weekend to watch the double header in?
City centre: you might get it in the Garrick on Chichester St. Not sure of Sweet Afton's policy on it but they generally show Ulster Rugby matches so might show it.
Ormeau Rd: Errigle Inn or Parador
Old faithful: Botanic Inn
Yeah was thinking Garrick as the obvious one and was half hoping Sweet Afton might show it as that's where we intended to go also.
But more or less pretty much what id thought.. thanks Rois.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 03, 2016, 02:13:16 AM
I'll guess this team: 8)
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Rory Brennan simply has to start. No harm to McShane, he is the obvious candidate to miss out.
Darren McCurry also cant be far off a starting place.
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Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 03, 2016, 02:13:16 AM
I'll guess this team: 8)
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Rory Brennan simply has to start. No harm to McShane, he is the obvious candidate to miss out.
Darren McCurry also cant be far off a starting place.
Mickey Harte seldom changes a winning team.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Mayo have only had 1 game this year where we had to play at 100%, where the season (to an extent) was on the line, where it was sh*t or burst ..... that was the league game v Ros. Defeat would have meant relegation at the hands of the sheep stealers which in turn would have destroyed this team and this year (plus another year or 2 along with it).
We all know what happened that day. That defeat for the Rossies was so comprehensive that it destroyed them as a team and ended their season.
Just saying
I think in retrospect you can see how shit we were post Donegal and it had feck all to do with Mayo who were far from AI standard themselves that day. We made that limited Galqay side look like AI contenders, so hanging your hat on that performance would be a strange thing to do.
If anything that level of performance against a team that subsequently showed no form at all should be very worrying if that was Mayo going all out. Mayo have been playing poorly throughout the year and it's hard to see them suddenly rolling back that next weekend.
Tyrone, again, are nothing special themselves but they're probably in a better headspace than a Mayo team who have heaped extra pressure on themselves this year.
Dude, the Rossies were beating all before them prior to Mayo match. Mayo on the other hand were a shambles with hard questions being asked. This was the Conn. Final dress reversal for the Rossies with added bonus of a chance to relegate Mayo. Rossies were coming into the game after a very impressive win v Donegal. All the questions were there for Mayo to answer and answer them we did by completely outplaying and bullying Rossies on every line. Rossies were destroyed after this for the season with the hammering by Kerry in league semi being the nail on 2016+ coffin.
I have no idea whether this is of any relevance to Saturday. All I m saying is that this was the only time Mayo were asked major questions this season and they were answered emphatically.
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The media and neutral would probably rather see a Dub v Tyrone final and that's why all the Tyrone hype.
Don't know about the media however the majority of neutrals will want to see Tipperary in the All Ireland final. Tipperary are totally dismissed by both Tyrone and Mayo they see this Quarter final as a semi final.
Tyrone v Mayo is the battle of two most confident set of supporters and unless this game ends in draw one set of supporters are going to be left very disappointed and bemused as to how they lost to a side they don't really rate.
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The media and neutral would probably rather see a Dub v Tyrone final and that's why all the Tyrone hype.
Don't know about the media however the majority of neutrals will want to see Tipperary in the All Ireland final. Tipperary are totally dismissed by both Tyrone and Mayo they see this Quarter final as a semi final.
Tyrone v Mayo is the battle of two most confident set of supporters and unless this game ends in draw one set of supporters are going to be left very disappointed and bemused as to how they lost to a side they don't really rate.
Your last paragraph is bullshit.
Quote from: blast05 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Mayo have only had 1 game this year where we had to play at 100%, where the season (to an extent) was on the line, where it was sh*t or burst ..... that was the league game v Ros.
If scoring just 1-11 and beating Roscommon by just 4 points is Mayo playing to 100% then I'm afraid to say Tyrone will be a bridge too far for Mayo this Saturday.
As I've been saying on boards, it doesn't matter if Tyrone beat Mayo, the same questions will be being asked as what are now after beating Donegal. If we lose then it'll say a lot, but if we win then it'll be put down to it being a poor Mayo side who've had a very bad season. Nothing will be answered about this Tyrone team unless we get to the final and even then if we lose to the Dubs we're in exactly the same place probably rated 3rd in the country behind Dublin and Kerry.
It's going to take beating one of those two to prove any credentials. Back to back Ulsters could show more consistency next year but even then the winners of Ulster are facing Dublin in the semi final should both get through the quarters so that's no easy path.
Weather looking good for these games. Sunny spells and 23℃!
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 03, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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That reminds me, I see they are making good progress on the Hyde.
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The media and neutral would probably rather see a Dub v Tyrone final and that's why all the Tyrone hype.
Don't know about the media however the majority of neutrals will want to see Tipperary in the All Ireland final. Tipperary are totally dismissed by both Tyrone and Mayo they see this Quarter final as a semi final.
Tyrone v Mayo is the battle of two most confident set of supporters and unless this game ends in draw one set of supporters are going to be left very disappointed and bemused as to how they lost to a side they don't really rate.
Your last paragraph is bullshit.
+1
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 03, 2016, 03:27:17 PM
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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It's good but it's no Sean Kavanagh looking confused in ye olde time GAA-Kit for the 1916 celebrations.
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Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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Aiden won possession in midfield, stuck his head down and started to run, Matty Donnelly opened the gates to Croke Park and this is where Aiden ended up!
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Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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Aiden won possession in midfield, stuck his head down and started to run, Matty Donnelly opened the gates to Croke Park and this is where Aiden ended up!
He has always reminded me a bit of a limonsin bullock
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Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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Aiden won possession in midfield, stuck his head down and started to run, Matty Donnelly opened the gates to Croke Park and this is where Aiden ended up!
He has always reminded me a bit of a limonsin bullock
Cos a bullock has no balls??
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Kerry and Mayo fans getting a bit ratty at the prospect of Tyrone joining them at the big table and possibly usurping them when it comes to taking Dublin.
I don't think so - seems to be 90% Tyronies in this thread, very little cockiness in Mayo about this one.
The Mayo crowd are fierce quiet alright.
They are that cocky they don't even think it's worth talking about.
The result is a foregone conclusion.
Which is pretty disrespectful to Tyrone if you ask me.
I think it is a very sophisticated strategy. They get the Tyrone to do all the talking. Then when they win the match they will all go ha ha ha.
Waiting in the Long Grass! ;)
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Have 2 spare tickets for Saturday's football quarter finals if anyone is interested. Lower Hogan Section 324. Seats are together. Available for face value.
The match ups will be interesting Sunday, would suspect Rory Brennan on Diarmuid O'Connor, McCarron to pick up Aidan O'Shea, McNamee on Cillian O'Connor.
From the Mayo side I probably expect Higgins on Harte, I'm not sure who they have to put on Cavanagh though, possibly someone like Vaughan? The key for us will be getting the open space for our inside forwards, if O'Neill/McCurry/McAliskey can get the ball in space there they can do serious damage to a suspect looking Mayo full back line.
Two contrasting styles in that when Tyrone lose the ball up the pitch they all look to retreat back to their own half whereas Mayo like their forwards to press the ball carrier and give fouls away in the opposition half with the hip grabs and little jersey tugs, allowing them to commit men forward but they are quite good at cynically stopping the counters.
Mayo's ability to dominate the midfield has been the base for their success in recent years but they seem in a bit of bother there this year through injury and form. I think Tyrone have improved greatly there this year and I hope we are willing to vary it and go long if Mayo target our kickouts. Too many times in the recent past have we seen keepers muck it up with short kickouts. It cost us v Kerry last year.
It will be interesting to see our bench tonight. Meyler looks like he will miss out but I wonder if Richie Donnelly, Joe McMahon and Lee Brennan will return to the 26.
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The match ups will be interesting Sunday, would suspect Rory Brennan on Diarmuid O'Connor, McCarron to pick up Aidan O'Shea, McNamee on Cillian O'Connor.
From the Mayo side I probably expect Higgins on Harte, I'm not sure who they have to put on Cavanagh though, possibly someone like Vaughan? The key for us will be getting the open space for our inside forwards, if O'Neill/McCurry/McAliskey can get the ball in space there they can do serious damage to a suspect looking Mayo full back line.
Two contrasting styles in that when Tyrone lose the ball up the pitch they all look to retreat back to their own half whereas Mayo like their forwards to press the ball carrier and give fouls away in the opposition half with the hip grabs and little jersey tugs, allowing them to commit men forward but they are quite good at cynically stopping the counters.
Mayo's ability to dominate the midfield has been the base for their success in recent years but they seem in a bit of bother there this year through injury and form. I think Tyrone have improved greatly there this year and I hope we are willing to vary it and go long if Mayo target our kickouts. Too many times in the recent past have we seen keepers muck it up with short kickouts. It cost us v Kerry last year.
It will be interesting to see our bench tonight. Meyler looks like he will miss out but I wonder if Richie Donnelly, Joe McMahon and Lee Brennan will return to the 26.
Croke park is full of it apparently
Martin Breheny makes an interesting observation in the independent about our lack of goal scoring over the last number of years in Croke Park:
Martin Breheny
04/08/2016 | 02:30
If the adage that 'goals win games' applies to Mayo v Tyrone on Saturday, Stephen Rochford's squad are poised to qualify for a fifth successive All-Ireland semi-final.
For while Tyrone hit Derry for three goals and Cavan for five in this year's Ulster's campaign, their return in big Croke Park in the closing stages of the championship has been very meagre since winning the 2008 All-Ireland title.
They have scored only one goal (Peter Harte against Kerry last year) in their last eight All-Ireland quarter-finals and semi-finals.
They failed to find the net in their last five quarter-finals, leaving Davy Harte (v Dublin in 2008) as their last goalscorer at this stage of the championship.
Tyrone fans are well aware of our lack of killer instinct in front of goal in recent times but the facts laid bare make stark reading. However, there appears to have been a major focus recently on going for goal and we'll need one or two on Saturday if we're to beat these green and red bucks.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
Martin Breheny makes an interesting observation in the independent about our lack of goal scoring over the last number of years in Croke Park:
Martin Breheny
04/08/2016 | 02:30
If the adage that 'goals win games' applies to Mayo v Tyrone on Saturday, Stephen Rochford's squad are poised to qualify for a fifth successive All-Ireland semi-final.
For while Tyrone hit Derry for three goals and Cavan for five in this year's Ulster's campaign, their return in big Croke Park in the closing stages of the championship has been very meagre since winning the 2008 All-Ireland title.
They have scored only one goal (Peter Harte against Kerry last year) in their last eight All-Ireland quarter-finals and semi-finals.
They failed to find the net in their last five quarter-finals, leaving Davy Harte (v Dublin in 2008) as their last goalscorer at this stage of the championship.
Tyrone fans are well aware of our lack of killer instinct in front of goal in recent times but the facts laid bare make stark reading. However, there appears to have been a major focus recently on going for goal and we'll need one or two on Saturday if we're to beat these green and red bucks.
I think this is something Tyrone have clearly been working on.
Don't worry lads - conceding goals is one of main consistencies.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
Martin Breheny makes an interesting observation in the independent about our lack of goal scoring over the last number of years in Croke Park:
Martin Breheny
04/08/2016 | 02:30
If the adage that 'goals win games' applies to Mayo v Tyrone on Saturday, Stephen Rochford's squad are poised to qualify for a fifth successive All-Ireland semi-final.
For while Tyrone hit Derry for three goals and Cavan for five in this year's Ulster's campaign, their return in big Croke Park in the closing stages of the championship has been very meagre since winning the 2008 All-Ireland title.
They have scored only one goal (Peter Harte against Kerry last year) in their last eight All-Ireland quarter-finals and semi-finals.
They failed to find the net in their last five quarter-finals, leaving Davy Harte (v Dublin in 2008) as their last goalscorer at this stage of the championship.
Tyrone fans are well aware of our lack of killer instinct in front of goal in recent times but the facts laid bare make stark reading. However, there appears to have been a major focus recently on going for goal and we'll need one or two on Saturday if we're to beat these green and red bucks.
The previous years don't matter, this is a new team. Harte identified that and has clearly addressed it. All that matters Sunday is whether they can hit form and continue to progress. If they do that then they will win unless Mayo produce something we have not seen at all this year which is entirely possible also. Martin needs stories to write
Tyrone have returned 1,000 Hill tickets this morning
This is undoubtedly a tough game to call and the rumours of unrest in the Mayo camp (and their on field performances) means we don't really know where they are now. In saying that, they are one of Irelands most consistent teams and have a wealth of experience at the business end of the championship.
If Mayo haven't set the world alight this year then Tyrone also won the worst Ulster championship of recent memory so how good are they? If Mayo are still one of the top three teams in the country then I think they'll win, if they've fallen back into the pack a bit then Tyrone, a team on the up, will confirm a new order. I think Mayo are still a top 3 team so will give them a hesitant nod. Tyrone are on the way back though and if they don't get to an All Ireland this year it isn't far away.
Mayo have been focused on the next 2 months since Rochford took over. They haven't shown anything so far but that would be a very thin reed against which to lean for Tyrone.
So Eoin Liston says Mayo are definitely beating Tyrone. Mayo will be favourites before throw in. Can't see us winning this.
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Tyrone have returned 1,000 Hill tickets this morning
I suspect they are being replaced by stand tickets out of Dublin.
James Horan very confident of a Mayo win today in the paper as well. He said they need to stop Sean Cavanagh winning frees. Thought that was bit strange, as I don't remember him winning frees being a factor in any of Tyrone's wins this year.
Quote from: heffo on August 04, 2016, 12:23:40 PM
Tyrone have returned 1,000 Hill tickets this morning
That's odd as a message went around our club this morning that if you don't collect your ticket between 6pm and 7pm it will be redistributed as there's a large reserve list within the club.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2016, 01:17:25 PM
So Eoin Liston says Mayo are definitely beating Tyrone. Mayo will be favourites before throw in. Can't see us winning this.
Tyrone it is so.
Tyrone are the definition of hard beat and Mayo are the sort of team that would give a team of corpses a live chance.
I'll be absolutely gobsmacked if Mayo manage to win this.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2016, 01:17:25 PM
So Eoin Liston says Mayo are definitely beating Tyrone. Mayo will be favourites before throw in. Can't see us winning this.
Tyrone it is so.
Tyrone are the definition of hard beat and Mayo are the sort of team that would give a team of corpses a live chance.
I'll be absolutely gobsmacked if Mayo manage to win this.
I think that's a little harsh on Mayo, though I do agree that Tyrone will prevail on Saturday .. we barely scrap by yous last time we met and we were in a far better shape back then. The problem for us at the moment is that we are in the process of learning new system and its not clicking. Tyrone know there system and its clicking very well.
For the craic I went back and watched the highlights of Mayo v Dublin last year. Amazing how close Mayo were to winning that match and they should have kicked on and put the Dubs to the sword in the last quarter (although how many times could you say the same thing about Mayo over the years???)
https://youtu.be/G1qSQWz01NM
They have been running on dirty petrol all year and it will be no surprise if the pull out a huge performance on Saturday evening.
Yes I think the euphoria of the Ulster Final has worn off and pundits/experts are siding with Mayo now. That's probably a bit of pressure to be honest and I hope it doesn't get to the Westerners. 31 counties are willing them on.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2016, 03:29:20 PM
For the craic I went back and watched the highlights of Mayo v Dublin last year. Amazing how close Mayo were to winning that match and they should have kicked on and put the Dubs to the sword in the last quarter (although how many times could you say the same thing about Mayo over the years???)
https://youtu.be/G1qSQWz01NM
They have been running on dirty petrol all year and it will be no surprise if the pull out a huge performance on Saturday evening.
From Mayo perspective that's our big hope i.e. there is this grand plan at play! We're clinging on to hope that we've been holding out until this weekend. So Saturday will show if indeed that is the case. Though for me, I'm not as sure ... match against Westmeath did show some slick movement and the guys definitely held back to save themselves, but an awful lot of bad play is still present, and allot of runs / plays amounted to ball being turned over.
Tyrone last 10 mins against Donegal was class! Those are the times when you get to see the turn colours of individuals, brave in there attempts at scores and the never stop fighting mentality.
BTW - Who will be the refer?
Amayofan, Conor Gough from Meath is down to ref it. I think he looks like a ref going places. Reffed our first game very well against Cavan.
On the subject of 'dirty petrol.' Can teams consciously hold back in a series of games and turn it on for the big occasion. They're are plenty of examples out there but how much of that is down to a gutteral drive to win as opposed to a planned approach to take it handy through back door and press the turbo in Croker?
This is most likely the end of our Summer unless we up our performance to the level of this time last year. I'm not so sure that we can though and the loss of Cafferkey is going to be felt from here on. I'd be worried about DOC as he missed the last game with a 'dead leg' that happened in the Kildare match two weeks previously. Now if it didn't come right in two weeks, there's no guarantee it will in three either. He is pivotal to our chances.
Tyrone have a stack of fresh hungry young players and winning breeds confidence. A big test for Mayo and it will be interesting to see what sort of fight we put up.
Always good to hear from the other camp so I listened to this podcast from the Mayonews on the game.
https://soundcloud.com/themayonews (https://soundcloud.com/themayonews)
They seem to be talking down Mayo's performances so far this year and how their aim like Kerry and Dublin were to get to the 1/4 final stage with as little effort as possible. It's all about here on in and this is where those big teams turn on their A game. It could be true and I know what they mean but it's a big ask to suddenly turn on that tap and expect it all to come good but we know Mayo have that in their armoury. Patience will be vital for Mayo I believe as I can see us approaching this game a bit like the Kerry game in 2003 where we try to limit their scoring chances to a minimum with a ferocious workrate of tackling just inside our own half. If Mayo try to force their attacks too quickly I believe will get get turned over time and time again.
The lads talk about Tyrone playing Joe McMahon shows that they really don't know much about how this Tyrone team is set up. I can't see Joe anywhere near getting a game this year unless we get some injuries.
Tyrone have a habit of marking the star players out of the game when they need to and since Justy and Colm Cav have been sitting in around the D then we look less likely to concede goals.
How do you Mayo lads see your team getting scores? Do you think they will go for high ball into your FF line or will they play a running possession game, probing for an opening like Donegal did? I expect Tyrone to give you your own kickouts if ye want to take them short but I suspect ye will kick some long.
Looking forward to hearing the team tonight. I have a feeling Brennan and McCurry will start with RoN and McNabb missing out. Brennan more likely to kick far out points that McNabb.
I wonder who Donegal and Dublin will be cheering for? I'd say Jim Gavin will be keen to watch as much of it as he can.
Irishnews lads view here. http://www.irishnews.com/photos/videodiaries/2016/08/04/news/video---andy-and-cahair-on-tyrone-v-mayo-637147/ (http://www.irishnews.com/photos/videodiaries/2016/08/04/news/video---andy-and-cahair-on-tyrone-v-mayo-637147/)
I don't think a team can pick it up late on in the season. I think this is one of the reasons defending champions find it so hard to retain their titles.
As for our scores, Cillian has been shooting from much farther out this year, than we are used to seeing and DOC was shooting on sight when he played. His success rate has fallen as a result, but it could be a sign of the thinking from here in.
3 possible strategies for scores:
1) Big man inside;
2) Runners from the wings;
3) Best shooters around the 45m line shooting on sight.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
Yes I think the euphoria of the Ulster Final has worn off and pundits/experts are siding with Mayo now. That's probably a bit of pressure to be honest and I hope it doesn't get to the Westerners. 31 counties are willing them on.
Dear God, for all my years following football I have never known Ulster counties not to back their own, but listening to the likse of you and your shite, you do make it difficult.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 04, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
James Horan very confident of a Mayo win today in the paper as well. He said they need to stop Sean Cavanagh winning frees. Thought that was bit strange, as I don't remember him winning frees being a factor in any of Tyrone's wins this year.
I think Horan is a bit like McGuinness, he seems to like putting pressure on his county a bit like McGuinness before Brolly rightfully pulled him up for it. If I remember right he dissed Galways chances prior to them playing Mayo as well. God forbid but I think he must be afraid that Mayo might actually achieve something under somebody else's watch. As for Cavanagh, your right he has won very few free kicks this year.
Quote from: Chimley on August 04, 2016, 05:27:56 PM
This is most likely the end of our Summer unless we up our performance to the level of this time last year. I'm not so sure that we can though and the loss of Cafferkey is going to be felt from here on. I'd be worried about DOC as he missed the last game with a 'dead leg' that happened in the Kildare match two weeks previously. Now if it didn't come right in two weeks, there's no guarantee it will in three either...
Apparently he got a knock on the very same spot just before the Westmeath game, hence the reluctance to give him a run out.
Are Mayo any good in the sun?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2016, 05:32:24 PM
Always good to hear from the other camp so I listened to this podcast from the Mayonews on the game.
https://soundcloud.com/themayonews (https://soundcloud.com/themayonews)
They seem to be talking down Mayo's performances so far this year and how their aim like Kerry and Dublin were to get to the 1/4 final stage with as little effort as possible. It's all about here on in and this is where those big teams turn on their A game. It could be true and I know what they mean but it's a big ask to suddenly turn on that tap and expect it all to come good but we know Mayo have that in their armoury. Patience will be vital for Mayo I believe as I can see us approaching this game a bit like the Kerry game in 2003 where we try to limit their scoring chances to a minimum with a ferocious workrate of tackling just inside our own half. If Mayo try to force their attacks too quickly I believe will get get turned over time and time again.
The lads talk about Tyrone playing Joe McMahon shows that they really don't know much about how this Tyrone team is set up. I can't see Joe anywhere near getting a game this year unless we get some injuries.
Tyrone have a habit of marking the star players out of the game when they need to and since Justy and Colm Cav have been sitting in around the D then we look less likely to concede goals.
How do you Mayo lads see your team getting scores? Do you think they will go for high ball into your FF line or will they play a running possession game, probing for an opening like Donegal did? I expect Tyrone to give you your own kickouts if ye want to take them short but I suspect ye will kick some long.
Looking forward to hearing the team tonight. I have a feeling Brennan and McCurry will start with RoN and McNabb missing out. Brennan more likely to kick far out points that McNabb.
I wonder who Donegal and Dublin will be cheering for? I'd say Jim Gavin will be keen to watch as much of it as he can.
Irishnews lads view here. http://www.irishnews.com/photos/videodiaries/2016/08/04/news/video---andy-and-cahair-on-tyrone-v-mayo-637147/ (http://www.irishnews.com/photos/videodiaries/2016/08/04/news/video---andy-and-cahair-on-tyrone-v-mayo-637147/)
Tyrone to win this by 4.15 to 0.14. Last year I would've bet on Mayo to beat Tyrone by 4/5 points but they have regressed badly. Tyrone have also improved significantly with the influence of Peter Donnelly. This will be even enough for a while but when Tyrone get their first goal they will pick off Mayo at their leisure. Even pessimistic Tyrone fans are booking hotel rooms in Dublin for September.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
Yes I think the euphoria of the Ulster Final has worn off and pundits/experts are siding with Mayo now. That's probably a bit of pressure to be honest and I hope it doesn't get to the Westerners. 31 counties are willing them on.
I haven't heard anyone siding with Mayo apart from Wooly Parkinson and Eoin Liston. The vast majority I've read and heard are going for Tyrone. But nice try at playing yourselves down.
Tyrone team unchanged for Mayo clash
Tír Eoghain v Maigh Eo
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac
20 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Which sub missed out for Richie Donnelly to get his spot?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 04, 2016, 08:36:55 PM
Which sub missed out for Richie Donnelly to get his spot?
Looks like Conor Clarke
If Mickey makes changes prior to throw in I could see two potentials; Brennan for McShane and Donnelly for O'Neill.
Looking at the subs am I right in thinking only Conall McCann is yet to see action? Didn't Barry Tierney get a run out against Cavan or Derry?
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Heard the same, things not good
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
I did see the 8/11 Tyrone no longer available. Bookies must have got wind of something.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Mind games from Mayo?
Quote from: Mayoffs on August 04, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Heard the same, things not good
You don't say! ;)
Quote from: clarshack on August 04, 2016, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Mind games from Mayo?
Wish it was , its gone round mayo like wildfire. A lot of peope know now , wouldnt be surprised if this hitz the papers soon.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
If this Mayo team have anything about them at all then they'll turn up and put in the performance of their lives on Saturday, regardless of what is happening, as it really is do or die for them. The pressure must be huge, no wonder there are frayed nerves amongst them. All serves to make them more dangerous.....
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Mind games from Mayo?
Wish it was , its gone round mayo like wildfire. A lot of peope know now , wouldnt be surprised if this hitz the papers soon.
Peter the great has been spotted running round the hills of Altnamuskin whilst eating raw chickens. Word is Ronan O'Neill's place in the FF line is under pressure. You heard it here first!
Quote from: Mayoffs on August 04, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Heard the same, things not good
whilst these rumours maybe true - this is a time when a team is at its most dangerous - sure did the tyronies not do a bit of infighting in an in-house game the week before Donegal game.....???
Still fancy tyrone is a very tight titanic game - McEntee would love to put us out but cant see it......
Hearing rumours of discontent in Tyrone ranks. Lads cutting lumps out of each other in Garvaghey. Doesn't bode well. Mayo 3-15 Tyrone 0-18.
No Meyler on the subs which is disappointing.
Mickey said in the press conference that he was fit and ready to go.
Shame as he would have been a serious impact sub with his running.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 04, 2016, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Mind games from Mayo?
Wish it was , its gone round mayo like wildfire. A lot of peope know now , wouldnt be surprised if this hitz the papers soon.
When did Enda McGinley become an expert in the goings on within the Mayo camp? Was talking to a family relative earlier who's friends with a well known sports journalist for a local Mayo paper and he was complaining that he couldn't get any info out of the Mayo camp through their normal sources things were being kept that tight. Any substance to these rumours?
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 10:00:35 PM
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Things not good in the mayo camp . When i heard enda mcginley say it last night in a very sly way, i didnt pass much heed but it seems there is a lot of discontent and dont be surprised if two players dont even travel to dublin.
Mind games from Mayo?
Wish it was , its gone round mayo like wildfire. A lot of peope know now , wouldnt be surprised if this hitz the papers soon.
When did Enda McGinley become an expert in the goings on within the Mayo camp? Was talking to a family relative earlier who's friends with a well known sports journalist for a local Mayo paper and he was complaining that he couldn't get any info out of the Mayo camp through their normal sources things were being kept that tight. Any substance to these rumours?
I heard TJ and WJ had walked out.
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
At least we don't have that bollocks who called a penalty in 2013 when it was impossible for him to do so.
Folks who is the ref ..... his style could have a big bearing on the outcome
Quote from: Real Talk on August 05, 2016, 12:02:34 AM
Folks who is the ref ..... his style could have a big bearing on the outcome
David Gough, Meath lad -- reffed our first game against Cavan.
Any truth that a large section of Tyrone fans are bringing vuvezelas to this match to create as much atmosphere as possible. Could make the difference.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 05, 2016, 12:02:34 AM
Folks who is the ref ..... his style could have a big bearing on the outcome
Style?
Hopefully he wears cowboy boots, a denim mini-skirt, cowboy hat and has blond hair. That was the style of the Tyrone women that day in '89 and it worked for us.
Prediction time: Mayo by a goal and 3.
I stuck £12 on Mayo by 4-6.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2016, 12:51:36 AM
I stuck £12 on Mayo by 4-6.
i bet Tony Fearon's house on Tyrone.
He needs a proper stake in this game.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
Prediction time: Mayo by a goal and 3.
You're not the boy you were in '89 who promised to ate his shirt if Mayo won.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2016, 11:06:45 PM
Hearing rumours of discontent in Tyrone ranks. Lads cutting lumps out of each other in Garvaghey. Doesn't bode well. Mayo 3-15 Tyrone 0-18.
The Owen Roe lad and Monro got into a fierce shemozzel down beyond Eglish and wile back, would say it raring its head again
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
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Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2016, 07:00:58 AM
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Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
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Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
So if we had beaten them in the following round it would have counted then? Got ye! So Kerry didn't actually put us out of the All Ireland in 2012 then? That's great news as that defeat has bugged me a bit. It's great craic revising history to suit.
Is Lee Brennan out or what is the craic with the squad listings these days? Not that he wouldbe likely to get a minute anyway.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2016, 08:16:13 AM
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Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
So if we had beaten them in the following round it would have counted then? Got ye! So Kerry didn't actually put us out of the All Ireland in 2012 then? That's great news as that defeat has bugged me a bit. It's great craic revising history to suit.
It's how I have always seen it.
It always seems strange to me that the word Qualifier is seen to have a different meaning in GAA as opposed to all other sports.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2016, 08:16:13 AM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
So if we had beaten them in the following round it would have counted then? Got ye! So Kerry didn't actually put us out of the All Ireland in 2012 then? That's great news as that defeat has bugged me a bit. It's great craic revising history to suit.
I don't think Kerry have beaten a Mickey Harte team in the all Ireland series. They got very excited about that qualifier win.
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Good man, see the Mayo lads (with the exception of the Club 51 lad, evidently) were too embarrassed to regurgitate that GAA marketing guff.
There's clutching at straws, and there's clutching at straws... :)
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 09:16:13 AM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
So if we had beaten them in the following round it would have counted then? Got ye! So Kerry didn't actually put us out of the All Ireland in 2012 then? That's great news as that defeat has bugged me a bit. It's great craic revising history to suit.
I don't think Kerry have beaten a Mickey Harte team in the all Ireland series. They got very excited about that qualifier win.
You better tell them about the semi final last year being a figment of their imagination so.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
wtf? some spin on that one :o
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2016, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 07:20:59 AM
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Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 04, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
Some history on Mayo v Tyrone in the championship in recent times.
http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tyrone-history/
"...And there's good news: They've never beaten us in the All-Ireland series!"... Huh?
2008 was some other competition then?! ;)
That was in the qualifiers.
Qualifiers for what?
The club 51 site distinguishes between the qualifiers and the all Ireland series which starts at the quarter finals. So do the GAA
So if we had beaten them in the following round it would have counted then? Got ye! So Kerry didn't actually put us out of the All Ireland in 2012 then? That's great news as that defeat has bugged me a bit. It's great craic revising history to suit.
I don't think Kerry have beaten a Mickey Harte team in the all Ireland series. They got very excited about that qualifier win.
😂 You talk some nonsense! Think before you post!
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
Is Lee Brennan out or what is the craic with the squad listings these days? Not that he wouldbe likely to get a minute anyway.
Haven't you heard? He's walked away from the squad and taken the Trillick boys with him. Tyrone in disarray. Mickey was in Ardboe yesterday trying to get Brian McGuigan to come back to the squad.
Mayo looking good at this stage.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
Is Lee Brennan out or what is the craic with the squad listings these days? Not that he wouldbe likely to get a minute anyway.
Haven't you heard? He's walked away from the squad and taken the Trillick boys with him. Tyrone in disarray. Mickey was in Ardboe yesterday trying to get Brian McGuigan to come back to the squad.
Mayo looking good at this stage.
That's only the half of it. Apparently the Clonoe lads won't travel with the team because of something about the fuel always being bought in the West. All is not well.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
Is Lee Brennan out or what is the craic with the squad listings these days? Not that he wouldbe likely to get a minute anyway.
Haven't you heard? He's walked away from the squad and taken the Trillick boys with him. Tyrone in disarray. Mickey was in Ardboe yesterday trying to get Brian McGuigan to come back to the squad.
Mayo looking good at this stage.
That's only the half of it. Apparently the Clonoe lads won't travel with the team because of something about the fuel always being bought in the West. All is not well.
Skeet and O'Neill not allowed to play. Cassidy told them not to.
Has Mayo team been announced?
No there wont be a Mayo team announced, given the bookies predictions, the fact that only Eoin "Bomber, why can we not go back to the 80s again" Liston has tipped Mayo and all the in fighting in the camp we've decided not to bother.
The county board has decided it is only right that we don't stand in the way of the peoples choice, a Tyrone V Dublin final.
If any of the fans travelling would like a crack at Tyrone instead, meet at 2:30 near section 331, bring white shorts and moulded studs boots (no blades please). Socks and jerseys will be provided, but you will have to give them back next year for when we go back at this craic again minus Tony McIntee
Think Mayo will win this one pulling up.
Keep looking back to the calibre of forwards Tyrone had in the 00s and the current batch are not a patch on them. Imo of course.
Hogan Stand weighing in behind the Mayo bandwagon too.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=259103&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
One for the Tyrone dressing room wall so "The Hogan Stand website showed us no respect"
Not enough room on that wall. A bandaged WJ Padden and Maurice Deegan covers it.
Quote from: Canalman on August 05, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
Think Mayo will win this one pulling up.
Keep looking back to the calibre of forwards Tyrone had in the 00s and the current batch are not a patch on them. Imo of course.
Many, many teams have won all Irelands without as good a forward line as that.
I think most Tyrone fans are feeling they have a good chance of beating Mayo this Sat mainly down to their very mean defensive system and how we've added a lot more scorers all around the pitch and no longer look to Sean Cavanagh all the time.
But are we underestimating this Mayo team and is it too easy to just say they have fallen back from last year's level and are a spent force?
If you look at their record the last few years then you can see they drew with both Dublin and Kerry and could have beaten them either time. In last year's semifinal they should have won the first day and in the second game they were head to head going into that final 10 mins before Dublin's very strong bench made the difference.
Unlike Donegal they don't have many players on the wrong side of 30, yet they have so much experience of being in quarterfinals, semifinals and finals.
On the other side of things Tyrone have got to two semifinals in the last 3 years, however they did so through quite a favourable run in the qualifiers and beat another Ulster team (Monaghan) in the quarterfinal each time. They had not beaten one of the top 5 teams since 2008 until they beat Donegal this year in a tight Ulster final which they almost lost. However, we have been in a major rebuilding stage of our team's development and having just about passed the Ulster final test against a big gun, we now face a more formidable test in Mayo who have been so close to bringing home the big prize.
So the questions remain. Are Tyrone as good as people are thinking (or wanting them to be) or is just hype? Is this a year too soon for this young team who continue to improve? Will their lack of match winning forwards only get them so far or will it actually benefit them as it's hard to tie anyone down?
Have Mayo really fallen so far from the high levels they have achieved in the last 3 years or is it just an early season blip and it's from quarterfinal stage onwards that they really show their true colours? We often disreguard how Dublin and Kerry play until this stage so are we being so harsh on Mayo? Time will tell of course but I think a few of us may be underestimating this Mayo team. They hammered Donegal in 2013 & 2015 whereas we have struggled to beat Donegal for years and see ourselves similar to them with maybe a more attacking mindset.
Personally I think if Tyrone's defensive system can hold strong and frustrate Mayo then we will win. Donegal didn't really test it I feel as they just chose to shoot from far out and were almost afraid to take a risk. They hardly used Murphy at all at FF whereas I can see AOS winning frees in there if he gets good ball. If AOS has a big game in him and Mayo throw everything at us then we will really see how far we have improved.
Kerry scored 18 points against us last year with virtually the same team we have lining out tomorrow which is a lot to concede considering we see ourselves as a defensively strong team. Are we getting carried away how good we are defensively? I'm not sure but what I do notice is how Cillian O'Connor seems to top score in nearly every game he plays from frees so Tyrone cannot afford to give away frees within 40 yards.
I feel Mayo will benefit from going in as slight underdogs as it gives them great motivation to prove so many people wrong. They don't fear Tyrone and I feel it's nicely set up for them to come out all guns blazing against a rather young team who have not had to deal with that before. I am hoping our well drilled system of play is enough to take Tyrone over the line but I'm a lot less confident than I was a week ago.
Interesting that stat about Tyrone reaching 2 of the last 3 semis. Does a qf defeat represent a backwards step despite the Ulster title?
Interesting reading Mayo fan's posts from 2013 after they hammered Donegal.
They're coming from a very different place this time.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23553.15 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23553.15)
Interesting talk on the final pages about a AOS dive with the Tyrone keeper.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
Are we getting carried away how good we are defensively?
Yes. Conceded 5-24 against Cavan this summer....
This time tomorrow Mayo will be controlling midfield and enjoying the freedom that being underdogs brings.
Ray Silke has backed tyrone, pretty much guarantees mayo to win
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 05, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
This time tomorrow Mayo will be controlling midfield and enjoying the freedom that being underdogs brings.
sickening arrogance
Rochford is a better manager than Mayo have had in a while and the players have way more experience than Tyrone.
Team is unchanged from the naming of team the last day with DOC fit to start this time though.
The few lads that were rumoured to not be travelling went on the last night in castlebar and decided to travel up after all but they had sniffed a load of coke too so they could change their mind again.
I hear it's nothing but coke and hookers in the Mayo team hotel tonight. They might not bother with Croke Park tomorrow and just head to the pubs around it instead.
Mayo face Tyrone in an All Ireland quarter final for the first time since 2004 when the play the Ulster champions tomorrow in Croke Park.
Having beaten Westmeath in the final round of the qualifiers last Saturday at the same venue manager Stephen Rochford again names the same starting team. This means Diarmuid O'Connor who was a late withdraw last week due to injury is fit enough to start in place of Jason Doherty.
The Mayo team for Saturday's quarter final game against Tyrone in Croke Park at 4pm is:
1. David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2. Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
3. Kevin Keane (Westport)
4. Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
5. Lee Keegan (Westport)
6. Colm Boyle (Davitts)
7. Patrick Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
8. Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
9. Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
10. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Evan Regan (Ballina Stephenites)
14. Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
15. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain).
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/Moysider12/942435_689429877738737_1875259175_n1_zpspqxgvkp5.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/Moysider12/media/942435_689429877738737_1875259175_n1_zpspqxgvkp5.jpg.html)
Late call up for this fella seems to have caused unrest in Mayo camp.
That's a free for Tyrone.
And possibly also Mayo.
Gary Brennan, Paul Conroy and Seán Bán Breathnach all picked Tyrone on the Seó Spoirt on TG4 just now. Conroy was being diplomatic at the start but I got the feeling that he doesn't rate Mayo very highly when choose Tyrone. Something about the gimp of him.
SBB reckons the McLoughlin as sweeper thing isn't working and is just confusing the team. We'll find out soon enough now of course.
The McLoughlin tactic is a bit strange alright when you'd imagine Higgins is ideal for it so I wonder if Mayo have something up their sleeve for the big tests?
I don't think McLoughlin has been the failure some suggest either.
SBB would go against Mayo whenever remotely plausible, so that's no surprise. A bitter little man.
Conroy still smarting from another non-performance in Croker.
Gary Brennan I have no problem with 😄
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2016, 10:09:18 PM
The McLoughlin tactic is a bit strange alright when you'd imagine Higgins is ideal for it so I wonder if Mayo have something up their sleeve for the big tests?
I don't think McLoughlin has been the failure some suggest either.
He hasn't been a failure imo either but you'd imagine switching them would be an obvious and positive move
Tyrone are going to have to pull out some performance to beat Mayo tomorrow. Forget about ulster-whilst entertaining (some of the best games are between two average teams) much of the ulster championship is not up to the 'top four' standard. Mayo are going to fight like an ageing boxing champion tomorrow as defeat will mean the end of several years of possibly becoming all Ireland champions. I just don't know if Tyrone can live with that ferocious desperation. I'd like to see Tyrone cut loose earlier in the game although the game of two halves tactic has worked thusfar. A big, big game.
Does anyone need tickets for this
Call it arseboxing aside.
I really fear a Mayo side coming through this route as underdogs.
However, this Tyrone side are a formidable outfit. Lasting until August unbeaten is some achievement even though it means nowt (apart from the cups!)
Tyrone 0-15 Mayo 0-13
Tyrone 1-14 Mayo 2-11
Tyrone 1-18 Mayo 0-15. I'd be worried if Mayo get a good start, get their dander up, begin to feel positive about themselves back at Croke park and rediscover their form, but ultimately I am (rightly or wrongly) convinced that this Tyrone outfit is the real deal. We will know for sure this time tomorrow!
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The McLoughlin tactic is a bit strange alright when you'd imagine Higgins is ideal for it so I wonder if Mayo have something up their sleeve for the big tests?
I don't think McLoughlin has been the failure some suggest either.
He hasn't been a failure imo either but you'd imagine switching them would be an obvious and positive move
It has taken McLoughlin time to adjust, but I think he is gradually getting used to it and the way he carries the ball forward from the back is quite good. I think he's a good kick-passer and is often intelligent in possession which I think is why he has been put in the role. Keith Higgins is another clever player, but he is offering another dimension to their half-foward line. He was involved in so many plays against Westmeath last weekend. Just because he isn't scoring a lot doesn't mean he isn't contributing.
It seems that it has just been decided by some sections of the media though that McLoughlin is not a sweeper and never will be and that spin has now just stuck, regardless of whether it's the truth or not.
Think it'll be a cagey opening half and Mayo will go in a couple of points up. Tyrone to come out all guns blazing in second half to Nick it by 1-2 points.
Tyrone 1-15 Mayo 1-14.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 05, 2016, 10:41:36 PM
Does anyone need tickets for this
Looking for one ticket actually
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Quote from: criostlinn on August 05, 2016, 10:41:36 PM
Does anyone need tickets for this
Looking for one ticket actually
I have a pair of them for the davin stand
Just talked the my brother, he already has one sorted. Cheers though
Tyrone 1-18 v Mayo 0-12. Form book to hold up and comfortable win for Tyrone and confirm the end of an era for this Mayo side.
No idea how this will pan out tbh. We've always had some bad sloppy habits that has cost us dearly down they years and think they still persist. It's a cultural thing I suppose and we have to accept it. Tyrone are more efficient to an extent to being mechanical. That is not a criticism. It is hugely admirable because at the end of the day it is about winning and if any team can achieve a level of repeating a tactical performance that mostly results in a win then ...... Tyrone and Donegal have their own version of catenaccio off to a fine art. That takes some doing.
Mayo and other teams have tried to get more practical. But we're playing catch-up. We've seen with Galway and Roscommon as well already that we are way of the mark when we try to do it.
I've seen Tyrone college's teams as well as their county under age teams since Mickey Harte era began. They play like Tyrone senior teams do for the most part. The better underage players just graduate seamlessly into the senior team.
Tyrone most likely winners tomorrow. A two point lead is all they need with 20 minutes to go and they can win comfortably. In the league Dublin held Mayo at arms' length after getting a few points of a lead even without bothering too much and try and score again themselves. If the game lasted another week Mayo would not have broken them down.
My fear is that Tyrone can win this game playing 'rope-a -dope'. Actually I think that is the most likely scenario.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 05, 2016, 05:12:10 PM
Ray Silke has backed tyrone, pretty much guarantees mayo to win
I'll see your Ray Silke and raise you Mr T Fearon:
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2016, 12:05:06 AM
That's what a Mayo/Donegal double bet will pay on Saturday.Has to be worth a couple of quid.
8)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
I think most Tyrone fans are feeling they have a good chance of beating Mayo this Sat mainly down to their very mean defensive system and how we've added a lot more scorers all around the pitch and no longer look to Sean Cavanagh all the time.
But are we underestimating this Mayo team and is it too easy to just say they have fallen back from last year's level and are a spent force?
If you look at their record the last few years then you can see they drew with both Dublin and Kerry and could have beaten them either time. In last year's semifinal they should have won the first day and in the second game they were head to head going into that final 10 mins before Dublin's very strong bench made the difference.
Unlike Donegal they don't have many players on the wrong side of 30, yet they have so much experience of being in quarterfinals, semifinals and finals.
On the other side of things Tyrone have got to two semifinals in the last 3 years, however they did so through quite a favourable run in the qualifiers and beat another Ulster team (Monaghan) in the quarterfinal each time. They had not beaten one of the top 5 teams since 2008 until they beat Donegal this year in a tight Ulster final which they almost lost. However, we have been in a major rebuilding stage of our team's development and having just about passed the Ulster final test against a big gun, we now face a more formidable test in Mayo who have been so close to bringing home the big prize.
So the questions remain. Are Tyrone as good as people are thinking (or wanting them to be) or is just hype? Is this a year too soon for this young team who continue to improve? Will their lack of match winning forwards only get them so far or will it actually benefit them as it's hard to tie anyone down?
Have Mayo really fallen so far from the high levels they have achieved in the last 3 years or is it just an early season blip and it's from quarterfinal stage onwards that they really show their true colours? We often disreguard how Dublin and Kerry play until this stage so are we being so harsh on Mayo? Time will tell of course but I think a few of us may be underestimating this Mayo team. They hammered Donegal in 2013 & 2015 whereas we have struggled to beat Donegal for years and see ourselves similar to them with maybe a more attacking mindset.
Personally I think if Tyrone's defensive system can hold strong and frustrate Mayo then we will win. Donegal didn't really test it I feel as they just chose to shoot from far out and were almost afraid to take a risk. They hardly used Murphy at all at FF whereas I can see AOS winning frees in there if he gets good ball. If AOS has a big game in him and Mayo throw everything at us then we will really see how far we have improved.
Kerry scored 18 points against us last year with virtually the same team we have lining out tomorrow which is a lot to concede considering we see ourselves as a defensively strong team. Are we getting carried away how good we are defensively? I'm not sure but what I do notice is how Cillian O'Connor seems to top score in nearly every game he plays from frees so Tyrone cannot afford to give away frees within 40 yards.
I feel Mayo will benefit from going in as slight underdogs as it gives them great motivation to prove so many people wrong. They don't fear Tyrone and I feel it's nicely set up for them to come out all guns blazing against a rather young team who have not had to deal with that before. I am hoping our well drilled system of play is enough to take Tyrone over the line but I'm a lot less confident than I was a week ago.
Excellent analysis. You won't get better on any newspaper.
As a Mayoman it hurts to say this but we look tired this year.
Truly reminds me of when we hammered donegal in 2013
Really hope I am wrong on this.
Was at league finals and was really impressed how Tyrone forced Cavan wide and made them try to score from way out.
Part of me feels Mayo should go for broke tomorrow and leave AOS and COC in the full forward line period.
For what it's worth this bunch of mayo footballers owe mayo fans absolutely nothing
They have made us proud on many occasions.
Donegal in 2013, Tyrone in 2013, Cork in 2014, Kerry draw and replay in 2014, ditto Dublin in 2015
An incredible group of players.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 05, 2016, 05:12:10 PM
Ray Silke has backed tyrone, pretty much guarantees mayo to win
I'll see your Ray Silke and raise you Mr T Fearon:
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2016, 12:05:06 AM
That's what a Mayo/Donegal double bet will pay on Saturday.Has to be worth a couple of quid.
8)
Shite, only Liam Hayes can save us now
f**k this arse boxing and "we haven't performed yet" plamàs, time for some fighting talk. If we can't beat these dirty, red hand, nordie, queens-shilling-taking, dark-arts-practising, cynical diving, Brexiteering, puke-footballing, rte-boycotting, potato bread-eating baaaaaastards by at least 12 points then Rochford and Co had better pack their backs and get the f**k back off to the wastelands of Galway. If the unthinkable happens and we lose, they're banished to the east, to the boglands of Roscommon.
Maigh Eo abú
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
f**k this arse boxing and "we haven't performed yet" plamàs, time for some fighting talk. If we can't beat these dirty, red hand, nordie, queens-shilling-taking, dark-arts-practising, cynical diving, Brexiteering, puke-footballing, rte-boycotting, potato bread-eating baaaaaastards by at least 12 points then Rochford and Co had better pack their backs and get the f**k back off to the wastelands of Galway. If the unthinkable happens and we lose, they're banished to the east, to the boglands of Roscommon.
Maigh Eo abú
Good man macdanger! lol!
I wish I was young again and had a bit of mischief about me.
The reality is that we have already lost a possible management team ( veteran players of the '89 team that beat Tyrone), down in Roscommon. But they should have known better.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
f**k this arse boxing and "we haven't performed yet" plamàs, time for some fighting talk. If we can't beat these dirty, red hand, nordie, queens-shilling-taking, dark-arts-practising, cynical diving, Brexiteering, puke-footballing, rte-boycotting, potato bread-eating baaaaaastards by at least 12 points then Rochford and Co had better pack their backs and get the f**k back off to the wastelands of Galway. If the unthinkable happens and we lose, they're banished to the east, to the boglands of Roscommon.
Maigh Eo abú
More like it, get your humble pie hot on the plate - '89 hasn't gone away you know (was beginning to think that the most passionate Mayo buachaill was a Galway man who's talking fcuk all but nonsense, again)! ;)
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
f**k this arse boxing and "we haven't performed yet" plamàs, time for some fighting talk. If we can't beat these dirty, red hand, nordie, queens-shilling-taking, dark-arts-practising, cynical diving, Brexiteering, puke-footballing, rte-boycotting, potato bread-eating baaaaaastards by at least 12 points then Rochford and Co had better pack their backs and get the f**k back off to the wastelands of Galway. If the unthinkable happens and we lose, they're banished to the east, to the boglands of Roscommon.
Maigh Eo abú
Good lad! I wouldn't worry, im sure your players will sack the manager anyway if (when) you lose!! Enjoy the game. May the best team win and go on to lift Sam!
2016 is too early for throne.
Time shut got real. Blast this loud boys on the road to Croker!
https://youtu.be/GOWZZdzUlVw
Ye spelt shit wrong buddy!!
Safe travel to all. Let's give it a rattle and get wired into them...
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2016, 08:16:00 AM
Ye spelt shit wrong buddy!!
Safe travel to all. Let's give it a rattle and get wired into them...
Damm predictive text! Probably could pass as shit pronounced with a thick west Tyrone accent.
There's a Royal Black demonstration in Enniskillen so please avoid.
Asda is still open.
We will win this.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
Sister is looking for two tickets. Someone here selling. Need to know asap.
If DOC plays I fancy us by 1-2 points. Hope the ref doesn't make a balls of the game.
Safe travelling to anyone on the road
I actually fancy Mayo to win this
Quote from: larryin89 on August 06, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Sister is looking for two tickets. Someone here selling. Need to know asap.
Check out the GAA Croke Park Ticket Exchange page on FB?
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
Stating the bleedin' obvious, I reckon, there's no arguing with Mayo's recent record in the All-Ireland
Series! ;)
some tickets here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057631485 (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057631485)
Mayowestros by 4.
That should mean a happy day for the Moanies :D
Quote from: larryin89 on August 06, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Sister is looking for two tickets. Someone here selling. Need to know asap.
I have one for lower Cusack section 304 if that's any good to you. PM me if interested
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Is it though? If Tyrone are the real deal we will find out this afternoon. It doesn't matter who they have played up until now!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Is it though? If Tyrone are the real deal we will find out this afternoon. It doesn't matter who they have played up until now!
Beating a bumbling Mayo or Tipp will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. No one is going to be remembering those days in 2017 or 2018. If Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI final they will have proven something few think possible. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourselves.
A scorcher in the Capital, bring on the ball :)
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Obvious and lazy journalism, at best -- self-evident truisms are just that, bleedin' obvious.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 06, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Sister is looking for two tickets. Someone here selling. Need to know asap.
Did you get sorted
Some day for it lads.
Absolutely fckin disgusted these games are only on SKY.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2016, 12:37:36 PM
Some day for it lads.
Absolutely fckin disgusted these games are only on SKY.
Biggest games of the year and I wonder how many will see them? So much for much needed exposure.
Any one by any chance no anybody with two spare tickets? On my way into town now to have a look
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Obvious and lazy journalism, at best -- self-evident truisms are just that, bleedin' obvious.
Why lazy? Mayo have done more than a Tyrone team that may not yet be the finished article.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2016, 12:37:36 PM
Some day for it lads.
Absolutely fckin disgusted these games are only on SKY.
agreed
About to head to Croker, honestly don't know how this will go. Tyrone rightly favourites on their form and consistency, but I believe if we can get our A game going and sustain it for longer than we have we're in with a serious chance of winning. But it's going to take that and nothing less, otherwise it's adios for this year.
Agree with Jinxy, that such a great day of football is only available on sky is a disgrace, the dickheads high up in the GAA that sold this deal would want to take a long look at themselves.
Safe travels to all. Mayo will have to perform like demons, something they haven't done at all since this time last year. All the best to them.
not a great start to the day for Mayo.Juniors down 0.04 to 2.10 to Kerry in junior final.
Junior final
Kerry leading by 12 points
Half time in the Junior All Ireland final Kerry 2-10 Mayo 0-4
Mayo goal they have clawed back 4 points
Kerry 2-11 Mayo 2-8 latest.
8 point lead for Kerry into last 15
Rebellion over. 2.09 to 2.16 for Kerry. 10 min to go
Full time Kerry 2-18 Mayo 2-11
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:09:36 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-body-of-work-more-impressive-than-tyrone-s-1.2746926
The point about who Tyrone have beaten is good
Is it though? If Tyrone are the real deal we will find out this afternoon. It doesn't matter who they have played up until now!
Beating a bumbling Mayo or Tipp will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. No one is going to be remembering those days in 2017 or 2018. If Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI final they will have proven something few think possible. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourselves.
So to be considered a good team you must beat Dublin in the All Ireland final? Everything else is not counted? On that scale of measurement, you must really think Roscommon are feckin awful.
Vaughan full back and two O Sheas midfield?
Gough riding the Rhubarbs it appears
Ref is a disgrace, giving Tyrone everything
I thought was just my bias but he is riding us completely
Ref is some cuntish p***k
Could get extremely niggly this in the 2nd half. Possibly the two mouthiest teams in football.
Nasty affair.
Mayo are doing some crying.
Was Tyrone no 10 shot there?
Just me or is there a lot of cheering of wides?
Tyrone getting a lot of iffy calls. Their sledging is at a level higher than most. Mayo players seem to fall for it too easy. O'Connor and Donnelly have taken some lovely scores.
I think the referee has been good
Defensive dog fight of a contest so far maybe the second half will become a more open game and we will see more scores from play.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
I think the referee has been good
Gough is the best ref in the sport. Thankless job having to ref Tyrone in full sledging and belting mode. Mayo battering back but they're just playing into Tyrone's hands with the macho bullshit.
Nervy first half. A lot of mistakes being made. I think Mayo are well capable of holding their own in the sledging stakes by the way!
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2016, 04:36:38 PM
Was Tyrone no 10 shot there?
No doubt, Tyrone players don't need 2 opportunities to go down but Mayo are complaining about every decision.
Looks like Morgan has sh*t it again with the frees. Why can't Sean cavanagh or Ronan O'Neill take those?
Tyrone are cuter. Mayo are getting caught reacting. Aidan O'Shea should know better at this stage. Fascinating game though.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
I can see AOS trying to go full 'Fear Laidir' in this game as he's had a poor season to date.
I predict lots of over-carrying, lots of charging and lots of turnovers.
Prove me wrong, Aidan.
Prove me wrong.
Anybody got a decent stream?
O'Shea's not just an expert diver, but can sledge incessantly with the best of them too. :-[
Looks like it'll come down to the respective benches, so hopeful :)
I'd expect Tyrone to win this based on first half-need to stay away from the ghoul-baggin. Suits neither of these teams.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 04:44:51 PM
O'Shea's not just an expert diver, but can sledge incessantly with the best of them too. :-[
Looks like it'll come down to the respective benches, so hopeful :)
That is a massive compliment coming from Tyrone. ;D
I've said this a few times in Mayo games this year but their discipline is awful, especially in the tackle. Hopefully Tyrone can shift up a gear like the Ulster Final.
Grind fest of a game, this suits Tyrone and I expect them to kick on in the second half and wear Mayo down. Ref has done Tyrone no harm in that first half anyway.
Sounds like Tyrone are back to the nasty stuff.
And people thought they had turned over a new leaf!
A leopard doesn't change his stripes.
Quote from: clarshack on August 06, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
Looks like Morgan has sh*t it again with the frees. Why can't Sean cavanagh or Ronan O'Neill take those?
Think that's harsh enough they were tricky enough frees he missed definitely not straight forward anyway.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
I think the referee has been good
Gough is the best ref in the sport. Thankless job having to ref Tyrone in full sledging and belting mode. Mayo battering back but they're just playing into Tyrone's hands with the macho bullshit.
You must be happy enough how that first half went for your beloved Mayo
Diarmuid O Connor not fit
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2016, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 04:44:51 PM
O'Shea's not just an expert diver, but can sledge incessantly with the best of them too. :-[
Looks like it'll come down to the respective benches, so hopeful :)
That is a massive compliment coming from Tyrone. ;D
AOS belts and dives but he's not a known sledger, unlike pretty much the entire Tyrone team.
Strange that even in the middle of a match Tyrone posters can't help but continue their failing propaganda campaign against the 'Other 31' to prove they're just as bad as themselves. Enjoy the fecking game..
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2016, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 04:44:51 PM
O'Shea's not just an expert diver, but can sledge incessantly with the best of them too. :-[
Looks like it'll come down to the respective benches, so hopeful :)
That is a massive compliment coming from Tyrone. ;D
AOS belts and dives but he's not a known sledger, unlike pretty much the entire Tyrone team.
Strange that even in the middle of a match Tyrone posters can't help but continue their failing propaganda campaign against the 'Other 31' to prove they're just as bad as themselves. Enjoy the fecking game..
What are you on about?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2016, 04:48:46 PM
Sounds like Tyrone are back to the nasty stuff.
And people thought they had turned over a new leaf!
A leopard doesn't change his stripes.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
Rachel's Jarvis Cockers though.
And people complain about Sky!!
Peter Harte is excellent
Met bucks not able to hold the ball!
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2016, 05:13:52 PM
Met bucks not able to hold the ball!
Tyrones technique in dispossessing the opponent is brilliant though.
Cavanagh's gone
Karma! 👍👍👍👍
Game, set, match. Tyrone's tactics finally caught up to them.
Ref made the right call
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2016, 05:22:25 PM
Cavanagh's gone
He was a bit unlucky. Initial contact was on the ball, but his arm did go up around the neck so I suppose yellow was right.
Cavanagh a bit unlucky. Think his arm bounced off the ball and slid up.
Aiden O'Shea reminds of a lad who dominates at U14 or U12 level
must always barge past lads and go on a solo run
but he managed to get Cavanagh sent off there
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2016, 05:22:25 PM
Cavanagh's gone
He was no good anyways today, Syferus must be giddy with excitement now at the prospect of his Mayo winning.
No issues with Sean's second yellow! Would like to see how he ended up getting the first one though!!
Gough gives Tyrone another point.
Mayo need to push on now,and not make the mistake Donegal made
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
Harsh enough. He hit the ball and his arm bounced off if and went high.
According to Mid west he could have gotten a couple more yellows in the first half
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2016, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2016, 05:23:43 PM
Harsh enough. He hit the ball and his arm bounced off if and went high.
According to Mid west he could have gotten a couple more yellows in the first half
as long as Mid West said it!
Poor last two shots from McCann and McCarron.
Only 4 minutes this week.
Mayo throwing it away
Another non free to Tymoan
4 chances for Tyrone to level. All missed.
Have they not the balls to go for it with the extra man
Mayo choking here but Tyrone not punishing them . Mayo lack the rurthlessness to kill it same as last year v the dubs in drawn game .
Phew.Took Mayo at 13/8 just before Cavanagh got red carded! Think I'll do the lotto tonight
Mayo got away with it a bit in the end there. 4 bad misses from Tyrone. Should have taken at least one.
Rhubarbs fortunate so many Tyrones couldn't kick straight.
YES!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 06, 2016, 05:39:00 PM
Mayo got away with it a bit in the end there. 4 bad misses from Tyrone. Should have taken at least one.
According to the commentary from Midwest the ref gave Tyrone a plethora of dodgy frees to keep them in the game
Is it technically possible to choke and still win the game?
Well done to Mayo. Congratulations to them but Tyrone really kicked themselves out of that. Inexperience cost us today...we'll be back. I genuinely would like to see Mayo win the AI now.
Really enjoyed that. I actually thought Mayo were clever at the end. They made a couple of execution errors but the concept is sound. If you are a point up, and the opposition continue to play 13 men back, waiting for you to attack, then don't. You could see it took a while for Tryone to push up on them. Colm Cavanagh was going ape shit.
Tipp have a real chance .
I mightn't like Ulster style football, but you have to respect it. And it is fantastic to have beaten it!
Commiserations to Tyrone, well done to our lads. Now for a very trembly looking beer.
Quote from: ashman on August 06, 2016, 05:42:06 PM
Tipp have a real chance .
Massive step up for Tipp. Massive underdogs.
I tuned in on 58 minutes to see aidan o'se waving an imaginary card at the ref. Deplorable.
Fair play to mayo. Keegan must be one of the most dependable players in the ga,e over the past fee years.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2016, 05:41:16 PM
Is it technically possible to choke and still win the game?
Yip when the other don't take advantage . The Galtee men will fancy this.
Quote from: square_ball on August 06, 2016, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 06, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
Looks like Morgan has sh*t it again with the frees. Why can't Sean cavanagh or Ronan O'Neill take those?
Think that's harsh enough they were tricky enough frees he missed definitely not straight forward anyway.
Agree with you now though!!
Close but no cigar for Tyrone, just how many gifts did they waste in the last 15 minutes?
Mayo won but Tyrone kicked away their chances, handed them the game on a plate.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
I tuned in on 58 minutes to see aidan o'se waving an imaginary card at the ref. Deplorable.
Fair play to mayo. Keegan must be one of the most dependable players in the ga,e over the past fee years.
In fairness the ref deserved it. :D
I'm delighted for the Tyrone full back though.
Poor game that. Tyrone will believe they kicked it away but when you kick that amount of wides and most wild kicks you simply don't deserve to win.
Sufferus must be ecstatic after that, his beloved Mayo are in the all ireland final in his head.
Pulsating if not a pretty game. Mayo being criticised for choking here after winning by a point and not the other way around is just nuts!!! Some people just can't give credit where it is due. Both sides emptied themselves in a real arm wrestle of a match but fair play to Mayo I didn't think they had it in them to beat Tyrone today. Could have gone either way really but Mayo winning a tight game like that by a point will be worth its weight in gold after plenty of near misses in recent years. Rochford to give him credit got his tactics right which is easy I suppose to say now after they won the game.
Hard tight encounter. Very enjoyable game. Just shows (in the last 10 mins) , even with the experience the Mayo men have, you can still play the occasion and not the game
Gough gave Tyrone some serious handy frees throughout.
Keegan and Harte are absolutely brilliant footballers. D O'connor must have been running on 60% capacity
:'( :'( :'(
Very disappointing lads... The only team that could outfit up to the Dubs are out of it ::)
Bottled it big time, Morgan, McCurry and mcaliskey are bottlers when it comes to the crunch. Aidan O'Shea is one of the most dislikeable c*nts to ever grace a gaa pitch.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
I tuned in on 58 minutes to see aidan o'se waving an imaginary card at the ref. Deplorable.
Fair play to mayo. Keegan must be one of the most dependable players in the ga,e over the past fee years.
In fairness the ref deserved it. :D
Lol. Heard that but didn't see enough. I think o'se watches too much premiership. Hope you go on and win it but hate that shite.
Quote from: ashman on August 06, 2016, 05:42:06 PM
Tipp have a real chance .
Will do well to get within 7/8 points. That match whilst not the prettiest, was a completely different intensity today than last weeks.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2016, 05:45:00 PM
I'm delighted for the Tyrone full back though.
There's more of them you could feel the same way for!! Would be some swan-song if that's Sean Cavanaghs last game!
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2016, 05:47:29 PM
:'( :'( :'(
Very disappointing lads... The only team that could outfit up to the Dubs are out of it ::)
If that made any sense then it would have been a poor attempt at a wind up!
Quote from: clarshack on August 06, 2016, 05:47:38 PM. Aidan O'Shea is one of the most dislikeable c*nts to ever grace a gaa pitch.
You mean outside Tyrone?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2016, 05:50:01 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 06, 2016, 05:47:38 PM. Aidan O'Shea is one of the most dislikeable c*nts to ever grace a gaa pitch.
You mean outside Tyrone?
+1
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2016, 05:45:00 PM
I'm delighted for the Tyrone full back though.
There's more of them you could feel the same way for!! Would be some swan-song if that's Sean Cavanaghs last game!
Cavanagh has been a Laochra Gael, and I think he may have been blackguarded today.
I'd agree with the Newstalk analysis.
Mayo playing with way too much fear.
Reluctant to shoot, reluctant to be positive.
Now maybe that will change from this point on, but in a hypothetical final scenario against Dublin, they'll need to be at least 4 points up coming in to the last 10 minutes, or they'll need to catch Dublin with a late run.
If it's a classic nip and tuck game, I don't think Mayo have the self-belief to come out on top.
That said, having DOC fully fit would be a massive boost.
A masterclass from Rochford today. Defended,attacked and were better in midfield than Tyrone the best team won and as I predicted in June Mayo will now go on to reach another All Ireland final.
Peter Harte is some footballer, absolutely outstanding.
If Tyrone had a free taker they'd be through.
Fair play to Mayo though ground it out.
Sean Cavanagh STARTED on Keegan coming out after half time and they both got a yellow
Thought it was enjoyable enough myself. That shite hawking at the end could have cost Mayo today. But it didn't.
Tyrone had chances to win it of course, but Mayo know all about not taking chances and ruing that after the match as well.
Ths better team lost, but c'est la footballing vie :)
Sorry Mayo, but another vale of tears beckons, and how I wish it didn't :'(
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 05:52:25 PM
Ths better team lost, but c'est la footballing vie :)
Sorry Mayo, but another vale of tears beckons, and how I wish it didn't :'(
Safe home with that consignment of lemons.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 06, 2016, 05:51:41 PM
Peter Harte is some footballer, absolutely outstanding.
If Tyrone had a free taker they'd be through.
Fair play to Mayo though ground it out.
Sean Cavanagh STARTED on Keegan coming out after half time and they both got a yellow
Yes, MOTM on the losing side, top class player and plays the game the right way.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
Rachel's Derry Citys though.
Here, some of us don't have Sky.
It's bad enough I'm missing the game...
Tipperary will give them a good game
Tyrone will be gutted on the bus home.
It's years now since they beat a top tier team.
Quote from: PW Nally on August 06, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 05:52:25 PM
Ths better team lost, but c'est la footballing vie :)
Sorry Mayo, but another vale of tears beckons, and how I wish it didn't :'(
Safe home with that consignment of lemons.
Classic
I wouldn't agree with FoSBs assessment
Good win but the whole way through it I was thinking Mayo will not be winning the AI. Tipp could easily upset the applecart.
When's the last time 2 provincial finalists were knocked out at quarter final stage
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 06, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Tyrone will be gutted on the bus home.
It's years now since they beat a top tier team.
Correct. They were far too conservative and rigid with their gameplan. It was the same v Donegal. 3 points in injury time there saved their blushes but this time the chances fell to the wrong men.
Quote from: PW Nally on August 06, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 05:52:25 PM
Ths better team lost, but c'est la footballing vie :)
Sorry Mayo, but another vale of tears beckons, and how I wish it didn't :'(
Safe home with that consignment of lemons.
Qui, moi? ;)
Fecking do something now with that win, please, and less of this '51 nonsense! ;)
Gutted. The game was handed to them.
Great win for the neighbours.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 06, 2016, 06:03:50 PM
When's the last time 2 provincial finalists were knocked out at quarter final stage
2010.
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 06:20:51 PM
Great win for the neighbours.
Your obsequiousness is sickening :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2016, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 06:20:51 PM
Great win for the neighbours.
Your obsequiousnees is sickening :)
You've the team that repeatedly kept serving the game on a platter to your sworn enemy on the day, Mayo.
What word could describe that folly?
:)
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
Gutted. The game was handed to them.
By Cavanagh's hand?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
Poor game that. Tyrone will believe they kicked it away but when you kick that amount of wides and most wild kicks you simply don't deserve to win.
Deserve has nothing to do with it.
In a one point game when one top team uncharacteristically kicks away so many wides, it can be said with accuracy that Tyrone kicked away all the opportunities to bury that game in the closing quarter.
Was very like the 2010 defeat to dublin with all those wides. That's 3 times Tyrone have been caught after winning ulster since 07.
You don't think that if ye had got one of them to level we would have gone up and actually tried to score
Mickey's time is up.New thinking required.
Beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach. Throne will be back. Hopefully Mayo can go all the way this year.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
Poor game that. Tyrone will believe they kicked it away but when you kick that amount of wides and most wild kicks you simply don't deserve to win.
Deserve has nothing to do with it.
In a one point game when one top team uncharacteristically kicks away so many wides, it can be said with accuracy that Tyrone kicked away all the opportunities to bury that game in the closing quarter.
Was it really though? Top scorer for Tyrone all year was Peter Harte and he his more known as a defender than a forward. Do Tyrone currently have the forwards to kick scores under pressure?
Totally gutted, had the chances to win it, shooting and shot selection where almost our undoing in the UF so lesson not learnt.
Devastated is all I can say....
Fair play to Mayo tho, toughed it out and got the win.
Nonsense talked about Tyrone being best placed to beat the Dubs... Nonsense!!
Mayo or Kerry are and even at that they won't. Tyrone are inexperienced but unfortunately I fear they will be in a position in the next few years to do it.
Don't get me wrong he's a great player but given his antics over the years at getting lads booked/sent off from his diving /playacting it was rather fitting his exit and there can be no complaints. His position as one of the greats is set in stone... Albeit with an asterisk beside his name for certain counties who came up against his antics over the years!
I thought the better team won. Referee gave Tyrone score able frees far easier than he gave them to Mayo. Hope that's not the end for Cavanagh, too good a career to finish that way.
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2016, 06:52:38 PM
Nonsense talked about Tyrone being best placed to beat the Dubs... Nonsense!!
Mayo or Kerry are and even at that they won't. Tyrone are inexperienced but unfortunately I fear they will be in a position in the next few years to do it.
Don't get me wrong he's a great player but given his antics over the years at getting lads booked/sent off from his diving /playacting it was rather fitting his exit and there can be no complaints. His position as one of the greats is set in stone... Albeit with an asterisk beside his name for certain counties who came up against his antics over the years!
Yeah unfortunately Derry supporters never really seen him at his best, that only usually came out when he was presented with an adequate challenge.
6th semi final in a row. Some boyos
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2016, 07:00:11 PM
6th semi final in a row. Some boyos
Yeah. Fair play to them. It's not easy to keep coming back to the well year after year, especially with a few very hard to take defeats along the way. Yez weren't great today but showed a fair degree of desire to tough it out which is some going for a team so long on the road. Best of luck for the rest of the season.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
Mickey's time is up.New thinking required.
Is McGeeney available?
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Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
Mickey's time is up.New thinking required.
Is McGeeney available?
Don't worry tyrone's ai wins in 05 and 08 count due to being qualifiers so tony doesn't recognise mayo's win today as they're a qualifier and it doesn't count. No need for change ;D
http://www.hoganstand.com/football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=174707 (http://www.hoganstand.com/football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=174707)
Said it at earlier this year, but Mickeys time is up! He has overseen mediocricy now for 8yrs, in what other county would that be accepted? Time to give a younger man with fresh ideas a chance.
And not even going to get into his media ban with certain media outlet, its not doing Tyrone GAA any favours. Time for county board to grow a set, if he doesn't do the honourable thing!
Best team won, only for alot of softish frees we struggled up front. And as for McCurry, great in mckenna cup against average footballers but lacks composure when it matters!
Really hope Mayo can you break their duck and take Sam this year! Which at least woukd be some consolation!
Tyrone dont have the finished article forwards to be real top drawer.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 06, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
Tyrone dont have the finished article forwards to be real top drawer.
Cillian O'Connor appears to get a lot of stick, especially on here, but he was the difference between the sides today in my view. Had we a similar player we would have won.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 06, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
Tyrone dont have the finished article forwards to be real top drawer.
I would tend to agree - if mcaliskey finishes that goal chance they win.
Lee Keegan today-- majestic. Take a bow sir, truly.
Quote from: jp2020 on August 06, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Said it at earlier this year, but Mickeys time is up! He has overseen mediocricy now for 8yrs, in what other county would that be accepted? Time to give a younger man with fresh ideas a chance.
And not even going to get into his media ban with certain media outlet, its not doing Tyrone GAA any favours. Time for county board to grow a set, if he doesn't do the honourable thing!
Best team won, only for alot of softish frees we struggled up front. And as for McCurry, great in mckenna cup against average footballers but lacks composure when it matters!
Really hope Mayo can you break their duck and take Sam this year! Which at least woukd be some consolation!
Well said.
Cillian was back to his best today, great to see. Thought Dillon did well in the first half, hes such a smart footballer. Thought Parsons was excellent when he came on, really drove us forward
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-a-shame-that-hed-be-a-victim-to-someone-else-enticing-him-like-that-mickey-harte-on-sean-cavanagh-red-card-34944332.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-a-shame-that-hed-be-a-victim-to-someone-else-enticing-him-like-that-mickey-harte-on-sean-cavanagh-red-card-34944332.html)
Mickey is right harsh call on Sean.
Quote from: jp2020 on August 06, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Said it at earlier this year, but Mickeys time is up! He has overseen mediocricy now for 8yrs, in what other county would that be accepted? Time to give a younger man with fresh ideas a chance.
And not even going to get into his media ban with certain media outlet, its not doing Tyrone GAA any favours. Time for county board to grow a set, if he doesn't do the honourable thing!
Best team won, only for alot of softish frees we struggled up front. And as for McCurry, great in mckenna cup against average footballers but lacks composure when it matters!
Really hope Mayo can you break their duck and take Sam this year! Which at least woukd be some consolation!
Harte is getting the best out of the lot he has. Tyrone playing above themselves the last few years.
Harte is right on what he says about the yellow cards but it does sound a bit rich coming from him
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 06, 2016, 08:32:10 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-a-shame-that-hed-be-a-victim-to-someone-else-enticing-him-like-that-mickey-harte-on-sean-cavanagh-red-card-34944332.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-a-shame-that-hed-be-a-victim-to-someone-else-enticing-him-like-that-mickey-harte-on-sean-cavanagh-red-card-34944332.html)
Cringe!! Sean has mastered getting cards for other players by whatever means and we've never complained, sometimes what goes around comes around. In the past few years he has started to get involved in things he shouldn't, even in club games Mickey should know that there are players in the current team and in past teams that have targetted big players on other teams and he hasnt condemned them!
Mickey really should do whats right and congratulate the winning team, this just stinks of sour grapes!
Well done Mayo. Best team won.
Mickey is obviously frustrated at the loss of a great opportunity to get to a final, and though it's probably understandable he would have been better off saying nothing.
Perhaps time for more ruthless managment approach? We simply don't have the liberty of leaving misfiring forwards on the field for half a game while still expecting to win. Ronan O'Neill should not have started that game on form-capability should not be grounds for selection. Surely the fear of being axed is what drives competition? Although he missed that chance, I feel that McCurry would have had more return for the first 45 minutes. Wouldn't have substituted McShane at that point as he was starting to make inroads. A pity that such patience was shown during so many plays, only to be let down by glory-hunting efforts in both halves. A lot to learn for this team.
On the bright side, the younger players have got some experience this year with winning ulster and hopefully will hone those decision-making skills in Division one next year. i thought sludden was excellent.
Well done Mayo-Excellent gameplan-this could be the year!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 09:01:33 PM
Mickey is obviously frustrated at the loss of a great opportunity to get to a final, and though it's probably understandable he would have been better off saying nothing.
Agreed! See it as sour grapes and, worse still, hypocricy, but also a stab at getting Sean to stay on another year.
Quote from: Keane on July 25, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
I'm not sure Tyrone will be favourites if it ends up being them versus Mayo.
Tyrone were a level below the big three last season and while Mayo have possibly gone a bit backwards I'm not convinced by the narrative that Tyrone have improved dramatically either. Decent enough results against Derry and in the replay against Cavan are tempered a bit by the failure to beat Cavan easily first time, with subsequent results in the qualifiers putting a big asterisk beside the form line.
The Ulster final was one of the least intense I can remember and I don't think either team was a whole pile better than ok on the day. Tyrone got a couple of very nice scores and showed great bottle coming down the stretch, but the standard of the game overall was so-so.
Mayo's form line is equally suspect, but if both teams are operating at the top of their range over the last season or two, Mayo are a slightly stronger outfit IMO.
Quote from: Keane on July 25, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
Oh yeah obviously Galway are even more blown up again. The Cavan thing is a sidenote really, the quality of the Ulster final would be more of a concern
Yep
Didn't post on this thread all week. Would have had Tyrone as favourites but never convinced they could put away this Mayo team if Mayo actually actually gave a f**k.
Have to say I'm delighted for the men out west. They've come out the wrong side of a few games likes this in the past couple of years when they really didn't deserve to. Today was one they deserved and I genuinely hope it's the shot in the arm they need to remember that when they want to dance, they can dance better than anyone.
The last thing this all Ireland series needs is a doubting Thomas playing the Dubs in an AI final. If Mayo go in with confidence and forget that shite about a 21 man game (they have 16-17 players worthy of the occasion) then we knew might just see if finally happen.
Btw Tyrone taking off Mcaliskey just after Big Sean got carded, I just don't understand. Playing in a 1 point game, the only thing that matters is someone who can kick a ball over the bar.
Mayo came out in the second half as demons and that was the difference. Those first 10 minutes set the platform. They had more leaders and any time Tyrone made inroads they responded immediately. Fair play to the hardened men of Mayo and hope upon hope you lift it.
McEntee's influence apparent
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2016, 09:27:36 PM
Mayo came out in the second half as demons and that was the difference. Those first 10 minutes set the platform. They had more leaders and any time Tyrone made inroads they responded immediately. Fair play to the hardened men of Mayo and hope upon hope you lift it.
I'll tell you something, if we are a point up in a Final against Kerry/Dublin, with seconds to go, and there is a back pass to Clarke like that, there will be a sudden rapid decline in the population of the county and it's exiles.
Judging by the confidence of the Tyronies last week this result must be a real kick in the nuts. Tyrone no further than last year.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2016, 09:29:18 PM
McEntee's influence apparent
He should get the Celtic job !
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2016, 09:41:18 PM
Judging by the confidence of the Tyronies last week this result must be a real kick in the nuts. Tyrone no further than last year.
It's a huge disappointment of course. As I'm sure last week was for you when Tipp beat Galway. But apart from a bit of blaggarding, we were always wary that this could happen. Perhaps a year in div 1 will prepare us better for next year. I think we panicked a bit when the game was there to be won and the wrong people were shooting, I mean has Tiernan McCann ever kicked a point from 55m? We phaffed around with the free takers again. Skeet, O'Neill, Morgan and Harte all kicking them. We need to sort a consistent kicker who, when the big moments arrive, we can depend upon. Who genuinely was confident that Morgan would score at the end? I've been critical of Aiden o'Se on this thread but he was effective today and alongside CoC and Lee Keegan had the game know how to see them through! I would be happy to see those lads lift Sam in September. I'm confident we will be back next year even better though!
Any sign of Skilfulbill aka Mystic Meg?
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
When the pressure was on today Tyrone's inside forwards were again not up to scratch. RON was woeful & should have been off in the 1st half. McCurry missed 2 I think when he came on. Skeet had no composure with his goal chance as per last year V Kerry. McShane should have been off 1st half too, why was Richie not played for longer, outstanding through the league & one of the best shooters from distance.
Free-taking is a disgrace & has been for years. Best forward in the county championship last season isn't even in the 26?
F*cking frustrating, what an opportunity missed.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
Yes, that particular match of course my instinct would have me support Tipp. However I meant the All Ireland title of course which I think most people accept is a 3 horse race. I think it's fair to say that Tipp have very little chance, these are the top 3 teams in the country left.
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I think Mayo can win this. Aidan O'Shea will cause havoc and bag a couple of goals, like Givney did for Cavan. You heard it here first.
Yes, they CAN, but WILL they? We'll be doing a Michael Murphy on O'Shea, so don't be expecting him to have free rein in Croke! ;)
You didn't do a Michael Murphy on Michael Murphy because you didn't need to. Had Murphy been in FF and fit, Donegal would've won. I'll call it now and say Mayo by 2 points, 3-14 to 1-18.
It wasn't quite the scorefest I envisaged, or the margin of victory... but I love it when I'm right :)
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
Yes, that particular match of course my instinct would have me support Tipp. However I meant the All Ireland title of course which I think most people accept is a 3 horse race. I think it's fair to say that Tipp have very little chance, these are the top 3 teams in the country left.
Tis a one horse race. Donegal as good as Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry and couldn't beat Dublin playing within themselves with 13 men.
Tipp has as much chance as either of the other two. No chance at all.
What a pity for Sean to exit like that. A hero
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
Yes, that particular match of course my instinct would have me support Tipp. However I meant the All Ireland title of course which I think most people accept is a 3 horse race. I think it's fair to say that Tipp have very little chance, these are the top 3 teams in the country left.
You have gone from a Tyrone 1-18 v Mayo 0-12 prediction to now saying Mayo could win the All Ireland. Thats some turnaround after a one point quarter final against a Tyrone side that aren't a patch on their All Ireland winning teams.
Excellent display from keegan, took one for team getting Cavanaghs first yellow card. Great teamwork
Some good performances today. Experience definitely helped in the end. For the life of me I cannot see what Jason Doherty brings to the table? He hardly touched the ball and he certainly won't go out of his way to get it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2016, 10:42:26 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
Yes, that particular match of course my instinct would have me support Tipp. However I meant the All Ireland title of course which I think most people accept is a 3 horse race. I think it's fair to say that Tipp have very little chance, these are the top 3 teams in the country left.
You have gone from a Tyrone 1-18 v Mayo 0-12 prediction to now saying Mayo could win the All Ireland. Thats some turnaround after a one point quarter final against a Tyrone side that aren't a patch on their All Ireland winning teams.
That was how highly I rated Tyrone and hands up I got it wrong. On all known form before the match Mayo had done nothing to suggest they had that performance in them, hence the reason for the re-evaluation. You don't rate Tyrone that highly, that's fine. You also have to factor in the draw, they have a relatively easy semi final team and I've never stated I think they will win the AI, merely get to the final. Clearly the winner of the other semi will be the expected winner but I give Mayo a punchers chance based on 2 close fought replay defeats against either county in the last 2 years. I do believe Dublin are over hyped and have seen enough to think they are far from the shoe ins that people think. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 06, 2016, 05:51:41 PM
Peter Harte is some footballer, absolutely outstanding.
If Tyrone had a free taker they'd be through.
Fair play to Mayo though ground it out.
Sean Cavanagh STARTED on Keegan coming out after half time and they both got a yellow
The second yellow for Cavanagh was probably deserved, although O'Shea's antics where once again disappointing but it's simply not true to say that Cavanagh started the bother before the second half began. Keegan was at it all the way through the first half and the linesman stood and watched it and did nothing about it.
Better team on the day won although Tyrone kicked themselves out of it. For those lamenting about the ref I thought he was excellent and most of all consistent. Mayo's tackling was very poor and they where penalised for it but not fully punished as the lack of a good free taker came back to haunt Tyrone.
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out). Sean Canavan,( like Connolly in the second game ) can have no complaint about the red card. He, Keegan, Connolly & McHugh picked up soft yellows for off the ball messing. Had he not gotten the first he would have seen out the game. A little disappointed with Mayos who cheered his dismissal. Hope its not the last time we see him... a true great.
A one point win is a narrow margin. It doesn't make one side great and the other useless. However it will build Mayo confidence and determination. Tyrone will have better days . Five hours on I still have a grin as long as the motorway. In other circumstances I'd love the Tipp story to continue ... but not this year. Two weeks to the next installment. Rio can fill the gap.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 06, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out). Sean Canavan,( like Connolly in the second game ) can have no complaint about the red card. He, Keegan, Connolly & McHugh picked up soft yellows for off the ball messing. Had he not gotten the first he would have seen out the game. A little disappointed with Mayos who cheered his dismissal. Hope its not the last time we see him... a true great.
A one point win is a narrow margin. It doesn't make one side great and the other useless. However it will build Mayo confidence and determination. Tyrone will have better days . Five hours on I still have a grin as long as the motorway. In other circumstances I'd love the Tipp story to continue ... but not this year. Two weeks to the next installment. Rio can fill the gap.
Good report
Tyrone beat themselves by a poor performance, poor shooting options and terrible free taking. Even with 14 men they had several chances to draw even. If you'd given Mickey Harte a Mayo 13 point total with zero goal chances before the game he'd have taken it without question.
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I think twenty nine counties will get behind Mayo after today (sorry Tipp). Whilst it wasn't a vintage performance, I seen enough to suggest that Mayo have a chance against Kerry or Dublin. The fact that they came out the right side of a one point game against a good side will give them extra belief and impetus. With the greatest respect to Tipp, Mayo can tailor their program now to peak for the game of their lives on the 3rd Sunday in September whereas Kerry and Dublin will have to hold this level for 6 weeks. They are still outsiders but this team looked buried all season until today and now they are alive and kicking again.
What? Are you actually from planet Earth, yellowcard? Everyone will want Tipp to win.
Yes, that particular match of course my instinct would have me support Tipp. However I meant the All Ireland title of course which I think most people accept is a 3 horse race. I think it's fair to say that Tipp have very little chance, these are the top 3 teams in the country left.
You have gone from a Tyrone 1-18 v Mayo 0-12 prediction to now saying Mayo could win the All Ireland. Thats some turnaround after a one point quarter final against a Tyrone side that aren't a patch on their All Ireland winning teams.
That was how highly I rated Tyrone and hands up I got it wrong. On all known form before the match Mayo had done nothing to suggest they had that performance in them, hence the reason for the re-evaluation. You don't rate Tyrone that highly, that's fine. You also have to factor in the draw, they have a relatively easy semi final team and I've never stated I think they will win the AI, merely get to the final. Clearly the winner of the other semi will be the expected winner but I give Mayo a punchers chance based on 2 close fought replay defeats against either county in the last 2 years. I do believe Dublin are over hyped and have seen enough to think they are far from the shoe ins that people think. Just my opinion.
It was only an ok performance. Patchy like they have been all year. Both teams done nothing to suggest they can beat the 800 pound gorilla the whole year.
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Tyrone beat themselves by a poor performance, poor shooting options and terrible free taking. Even with 14 men they had several chances to draw even. If you'd given Mickey Harte a Mayo 13 point total with zero goal chances before the game he'd have taken it without question.
Dear jesus
Can someone explain why Sean Cavanagh doesn't hit the longer distance frees for Tyrone? A 50% conversion rate would have won the game for Tyrone. Morgan shouldon't be anywhere near the frees,he's far too over confident in my opinion
Tyrone had enough chances to win two games.
Missed 17 scoring chances over the game which is shocking.
A lot of celebration from Mayo - but they looked a poor enough team.
They will probably get to the final but it will be the same old story again im afraid
A team that can take their chances (Dublin/Kerry)- will beat them by 5/6 points.
Firstly congratulations to Mayo. It was a poor enough game and I felt Mayo found it easier to get their scores. Tyrone are missing a free taker and at least 2 top quality forwards. I would really fear for what Mayo have ahead of them when they most likely will face the Dubs in September could get a real hammering. I am almost happy enough that Tyrone won't be facing them. Any way best of luck to Mayo.
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Cringe!! Sean has mastered getting cards for other players by whatever means and we've never complained, sometimes what goes around comes around. In the past few years he has started to get involved in things he shouldn't, even in club games Mickey should know that there are players in the current team and in past teams that have targetted big players on other teams and he hasnt condemned them!
Mickey really should do whats right and congratulate the winning team, this just stinks of sour grapes!
Typical begrudgery... McNamee spent whole match goading Moran and O'Shea. Swings and roundabouts
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Tyrone had enough chances to win two games.
Missed 17 scoring chances over the game which is shocking.
A lot of celebration from Mayo - but they looked a poor enough team.
They will probably get to the final but it will be the same old story again im afraid
A team that can take their chances (Dublin/Kerry)- will beat them by 5/6 points.
Would you have felt that way if Tyrone won by a point? A load of lemons
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2016, 11:39:03 PM
Tyrone had enough chances to win two games.
Missed 17 scoring chances over the game which is shocking.
A lot of celebration from Mayo - but they looked a poor enough team.
They will probably get to the final but it will be the same old story again im afraid
A team that can take their chances (Dublin/Kerry)- will beat them by 5/6 points.
Well someone has to lose don't they.
At the end of the the day Tyrone have been beat by a team with 1 actually good forward ( C O`Connor) and a midfielder filling in as a forward, Doherty, Dillon and Moran would not start many a county team ( past their best), D O`Connor got compared to Michael Donnellan on another topic, think we can put that one to rest.
So that sums up where Tyrone are at, playing too many defenders who cant score. McNabb, McCann,, starve a forward line who on paper is way better than mayo, Tyrone style of play is poor, they be a better team if they set up more positive instead of all players filtering back, if the defenders were top quality you wouldn't need this style of play. I cant see how anyone thinks McNamee is a top quality fullback, too busy mouthing.
Better off out of it, Dublin could have mauled them
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What a pity for Sean to exit like that. A hero
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Thought it was fitting really... It was a high tackle made a meal of by the Mayo lad... Pretty much Sean's MO if we're being truthful!!!
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At the end of the the day Tyrone have been beat by a team with 1 actually good forward ( C O`Connor) and a midfielder filling in as a forward, Doherty, Dillon and Moran would not start many a county team ( past their best), D O`Connor got compared to Michael Donnellan on another topic, think we can put that one to rest.
So that sums up where Tyrone are at, playing too many defenders who cant score. McNabb, McCann,, starve a forward line who on paper is way better than mayo, Tyrone style of play is poor, they be a better team if they set up more positive instead of all players filtering back, if the defenders were top quality you wouldn't need this style of play. I cant see how anyone thinks McNamee is a top quality fullback, too busy mouthing.
Better off out of it, Dublin could have mauled them
Bitter them lemons
When Pat Gilroy took over Dublin back in 2009/10 they had a serious issue slabbering, gloading, and fist pumping, First thing Gilroy done was come down hard on it and how it practically non-existent, so how come Mickey Harte is not capable of doing the same with his own players?
Continually an on going problem, just like Donegal, Harte in my opinion basically condones all the underhand sledging his team fortakes in by not moving to eradicate it, same i say of Gallagher and Jim Mcguinness before him, its pathetic to watch on tv sometimes.
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Cringe!! Sean has mastered getting cards for other players by whatever means and we've never complained, sometimes what goes around comes around. In the past few years he has started to get involved in things he shouldn't, even in club games Mickey should know that there are players in the current team and in past teams that have targetted big players on other teams and he hasnt condemned them!
Mickey really should do whats right and congratulate the winning team, this just stinks of sour grapes!
Typical begrudgery... McNamee spent whole match goading Moran and O'Shea. Swings and roundabouts
Hard to get the full picture whenever you watching on TV but there seemed to be a serious amount of sledging going on by a number of the Tyrone defenders (not saying Mayo were Angels just that it was more obvious from Tyrone )
Plus ca change
The Mayo management deserve some credit for how this played out. They seemed to know the Tyrone system inside out and they got the best out of all the key battles. They made great use of the bench as well. The only criticism I'd have is if management were the ones who told the players to hold onto possession and pass back and forth aimlessly in the last 5 minutes or so. That's risky business when you're only a point up and it could have backfired. Mayo had an extra man at that point. They should have kicked another score or two, because they could have. I doubt they're worrying too much about that now though.
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Mayo came out in the second half as demons and that was the difference. Those first 10 minutes set the platform. They had more leaders and any time Tyrone made inroads they responded immediately. Fair play to the hardened men of Mayo and hope upon hope you lift it.
I'll tell you something, if we are a point up in a Final against Kerry/Dublin, with seconds to go, and there is a back pass to Clarke like that, there will be a sudden rapid decline in the population of the county and it's exiles.
I hear you brother, I hear you! ;D
Not long home, bitterly disappointed with how things panned out. Huge congratulations to Mayo, always give it a 100% on the pitch and backed by a great bunch of supporters.
Two things leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Firstly, the ridiculousness of our free taking set up and how this is crucifying us and secondly this shite some of our defenders are at. Ronan McNamee has to take a long hard look at himself after the bullshit I witnessed in the first half in front of me. He made a great dispossession of AoS when first ball came in but made a total dick of himself with his actions afterwards. I really struggle to understand what advantage he thinks he gains from it. Does he really think the forward Will cower away for the remainder of the game? Justy McMahon is another serial offender and is one of the most civil lads you could meet off the pitch. I help coach the u-6s in my local club and if I saw them at that when they were older I'd haul them off immediately and give them a kick up the hole.
Lots to discuss but needed to get that off my chest. Really do hope the Mayo bucks go on and win the thing. However, watching the dubs afterwards doesn't fill me with confidence.
One thing I can say tho is that the players can all hold their heads high they looked like they gave their all out there and were absolutely gutted at the end.
I remember Dublin beating Cork a few years back in a quarter final and the Cork players just looked they lost a league match.
First of all well done Mayo, that was easily their best day at the office the year, that said the standard of tackling by Mayo was abysmal and I fancy Tipp to beat them.
Tyrone had 31 shots and 12 scores, that is shocking in itself but why they do not have a proven free taker on the park is beyond me, I thought they were the better team overall but thanks to inept free taking and bad wides their summer is over!
I would love to see whichever team wins between Mayo and Tipp kick on and win it but to me Dublin are the class of the field.
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First of all well done Mayo, that was easily their best day at the office the year, that said the standard of tackling by Mayo was abysmal and I fancy Tipp to beat them.
Tyrone had 31 shots and 12 scores, that is shocking in itself but why they do not have a proven free taker on the park is beyond me, I thought they were the better team overall but thanks to inept free taking and bad wides their summer is over!
I would love to see whichever team wins between Mayo and Tipp kick on and win it but to me Dublin are the class of the field.
Tyrones lack of a free taker has been obvious for a number of seasons. Their system is also far too rigid and defensive. It works well when the other team is naive enough to run into traffic and Tyrone can counter attack into space. Both Donegal and Mayo were able to hold onto possession for long periods without Tyrone pushing out on them. Great to see mccarron missing an absolute sitter to draw the game at the end.
The decision to allow Niall Morgan to hit that free at the end was crazy.
It was not even within his range (55 meters out) - he had missed everything all day -
At the very most it was about a 20% chance. I would say his overall conversion rate is no more than 1 in 4.
Should have took it quick - got it to Peter Harte and let him run it.
Tyrone really only have themselves to blame.
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Not long home, bitterly disappointed with how things panned out. Huge congratulations to Mayo, always give it a 100% on the pitch and backed by a great bunch of supporters.
Two things leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Firstly, the ridiculousness of our free taking set up and how this is crucifying us and secondly this shite some of our defenders are at. Ronan McNamee has to take a long hard look at himself after the bullshit I witnessed in the first half in front of me. He made a great dispossession of AoS when first ball came in but made a total dick of himself with his actions afterwards. I really struggle to understand what advantage he thinks he gains from it. Does he really think the forward Will cower away for the remainder of the game? Justy McMahon is another serial offender and is one of the most civil lads you could meet off the pitch. I help coach the u-6s in my local club and if I saw them at that when they were older I'd haul them off immediately and give them a kick up the hole.
Lots to discuss but needed to get that off my chest. Really do hope the Mayo bucks go on and win the thing. However, watching the dubs afterwards doesn't fill me with confidence.
Mickey obviously at the very least condones this behaviour, or at worst encourages it. Unless he wins another Sam his legacy is going to be tainted by this behaviour! Its no coincidence that too many of the Tyrone players spend half their time goading opposition players! And i think its getting worse, would Horse have any influence?? This whole thing leaves bad taste and sets an extremely bad example to our children! Maybe Mickey should be asked to explain that instead of yapping about the "targetting" of Sean!!
Tyrones lack of quality forwards really shone through today - typified by McAliskey's goal effort in the second half which was reminiscent of his effort against Kerry last year - no confidence and a lack of class in front of goal. 1-12 they can compete with any team, but they have no inside forward who can win a game at the highest level. I have seen a lot of Brennan at colleges level over the years and he looks the real deal, but it is early to be pinning hopes on him.
Don't know what Tyrone folk think but i thought there were some strange decisions made on the line today. Allowing the Keegan / Cavanagh duel to be played out on Mayo terms was poor from Hartes point of view - he should have called their bluff and left Cavanagh on the edge of the square. McMahons early substitution left them ragged looking, and they were attached through the centre quite easily after that. Sludden was marvellous throughout the game, but too often had no-one to hit inside.
Mayo's experience and class got them over the line. O'connor was tremendous and a supporting cast of Keegan, O'Shea x3, and Boyle were superb. Hope they finish the job this year
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Mickey obviously at the very least condones this behaviour, or at worst encourages it. Unless he wins another Sam his legacy is going to be tainted by this behaviour! Its no coincidence that too many of the Tyrone players spend half their time goading opposition players! And i think its getting worse, would Horse have any influence?? This whole thing leaves bad taste and sets an extremely bad example to our children! Maybe Mickey should be asked to explain that instead of yapping about the "targetting" of Sean!!
Harte has full plausible deniability on the behaviour of the players towards their opponents, there are always others to ensure this occurs and is systematic. The black card was introduced to halt this behaviour but no referee has the backbone to use it for this purpose with his officials able to feed him with the information about it. This type of behaviour is endemic in Tyrone football and is drilled into players from their earliest competitive representative stage. Coaches know that their players are sent out to goad the opposition and their role models at county level are there from 2003. The problem with this type of behaviour is that players actually believe that they are affecting the opposition.
Yesterday, Tyrone met a Mayo team that is no longer as flaky as in the past, they have developed a meaner streak that may make some of them unlikeable but they stood up to the Tyrone tactic and went back as hard. Ironic, that the only time all day Cavanagh rolled around on the ground looking for a yellow card, he got a yellow card for it and it led to Tyrone's failure. On SKY, Canavan firmly blamed Cavanagh's foolish yellow card for the Tyrone loss, saying that he wasn't there when Tyrone needed him.
Glory hunters lost the game for Tyrone in the final 10 minutes when it could have been drawn or even won. McCann, McCarron and Morgan should not have been attempting to score, the system allows for the ball to be held up until a score can be taken. Morgan should stay between the sticks, yesterday was another example of how he can kick Tyrone out of a game when he is allowed to take the long range frees.
Fcuk it.
Good performance yesterday from Mayo. Nothing vintage, but god are we a hard team to beat? Mickey Harte got a bit of the run-around tactically from Rochford yesterday. Starting Dillon and dropping Keane caught him completely off guard. In fairness, Mickey team has a lot of players still growing as footballers and yesterday was another big test for them. This is a hard defeat for this Tyrone group, they were really looking at minimum an All Ireland final this year. Mickey has Tyrone so disciplined and a decent system, that he can get an average group of players to Quarter finals and Semi finals year in year out. The next step is the hardest. Believe me Mayo know all about their next step, which is another step up and has been beyond this group so far. Hard to know if Harte is the Man anymore. There seems to be an Arsne Wenger feel to him. Past glories are keeping him untouchable and he seems to be an eternity building. Like Wenger qualifying for the Champions League, Mickey almost guarantees August football for Tyrone year in year out but no more!
Although we won yesterday - Just! I would not lose the run of ourselves and most won't in fairness. We have been here the last 5 years - All Ireland semi final numbers 6 in a row (8 semi-finals if you count replays)! We are back to dreaming again, but we have problems all over the place. Still great to be involved.
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Not long home, bitterly disappointed with how things panned out. Huge congratulations to Mayo, always give it a 100% on the pitch and backed by a great bunch of supporters.
Two things leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Firstly, the ridiculousness of our free taking set up and how this is crucifying us and secondly this shite some of our defenders are at. Ronan McNamee has to take a long hard look at himself after the bullshit I witnessed in the first half in front of me. He made a great dispossession of AoS when first ball came in but made a total dick of himself with his actions afterwards. I really struggle to understand what advantage he thinks he gains from it. Does he really think the forward Will cower away for the remainder of the game? Justy McMahon is another serial offender and is one of the most civil lads you could meet off the pitch. I help coach the u-6s in my local club and if I saw them at that when they were older I'd haul them off immediately and give them a kick up the hole.
Lots to discuss but needed to get that off my chest. Really do hope the Mayo bucks go on and win the thing. However, watching the dubs afterwards doesn't fill me with confidence.
Mickey obviously at the very least condones this behaviour, or at worst encourages it. Unless he wins another Sam his legacy is going to be tainted by this behaviour! Its no coincidence that too many of the Tyrone players spend half their time goading opposition players! And i think its getting worse, would Horse have any influence?? This whole thing leaves bad taste and sets an extremely bad example to our children! Maybe Mickey should be asked to explain that instead of yapping about the "targetting" of Sean!!
From my own or any other team I hate to see the goading / sledging in our game , terrible terrible example for young children It was no surprise to see to see Jim McGuinness on sky sports saying sledging is a part of the game and the bigger the game the more sledging there is ,
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Peter Harte is some footballer, absolutely outstanding.
If Tyrone had a free taker they'd be through.
Fair play to Mayo though ground it out.
Sean Cavanagh STARTED on Keegan coming out after half time and they both got a yellow
The second yellow for Cavanagh was probably deserved, although O'Shea's antics where once again disappointing but it's simply not true to say that Cavanagh started the bother before the second half began. Keegan was at it all the way through the first half and the linesman stood and watched it and did nothing about it.
Better team on the day won although Tyrone kicked themselves out of it. For those lamenting about the ref I thought he was excellent and most of all consistent. Mayo's tackling was very poor and they where penalised for it but not fully punished as the lack of a good free taker came back to haunt Tyrone.
Agree with this and i hate the way the ref takes the easy way out and books both. same with connollys first yellow. Donegal were doing 5 minute shifts each marking him trying to get him booked. Tyrone are no angels either but that shouldn't excuse what was a bad decision by the ref which probably cost tyrone at least a replay. OShea might as well have given the 2nd yellow himself - he was trying to ref the game at that stage.
Totally agree with a number of you. Tyrone lost it on the line yesterday. Bringing Padraig mcnulty on and sticking him in corner forward. Mayo banked their half back line and stayed in position all game. 70 minutes later, Tyrone are playing the same tactics. When the game is in the melting pot and you have to make a tactical move... You got ta make it. No free taker is a big gap that needs filled. The better teams in this all Ireland era have scoring forwards in scoring forwards positions. Tyrone played the ball into the forwards in the first half and they got on it but not good enough to make a real impact. Just look at Dublin, scoring forwards......now there's an idea
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Fcuk it.
The day the county's interest in the championship is terminated is never pleasant
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Good performance yesterday from Mayo. Nothing vintage, but god are we a hard team to beat? Mickey Harte got a bit of the run-around tactically from Rochford yesterday. Starting Dillon and dropping Keane caught him completely off guard. In fairness, Mickey team has a lot of players still growing as footballers and yesterday was another big test for them. This is a hard defeat for this Tyrone group, they were really looking at minimum an All Ireland final this year. Mickey has Tyrone so disciplined and a decent system, that he can get an average group of players to Quarter finals and Semi finals year in year out. The next step is the hardest. Believe me Mayo know all about their next step, which is another step up and has been beyond this group so far. Hard to know if Harte is the Man anymore. There seems to be an Arsne Wenger feel to him. Past glories are keeping him untouchable and he seems to be an eternity building. Like Wenger qualifying for the Champions League, Mickey almost guarantees August football for Tyrone year in year out but no more!
Although we won yesterday - Just! I would not lose the run of ourselves and most won't in fairness. We have been here the last 5 years - All Ireland semi final numbers 6 in a row (8 semi-finals if you count replays)! We are back to dreaming again, but we have problems all over the place. Still great to be involved.
Boylan won all Irelands in 87 and 88 and built a new team in 96. I wouldn't drop Harte yet.
I hope Rochford can give Mayo that winning belief.
I think we can blame the system, tactics, inability to adapt but inevitably it comes down to kicking scores and Tyrone have struggled on that front throughout the year. If Harte had a player like Cilllian O'Connor at his disposal Tyrone would comfortably have won yesterday's game. At this level it's so difficult to compete without a free taker.
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Fcuk it.
The day the county's interest in the championship is terminated is never pleasant
At least in years gone by we could say 'at least we've the minors/ladies/Rose of Tralee to fall back on' but everything has changed utterly. And I've a holiday in Mayo to come. I'm going to immerse myself in their culture and bring back ideas and spices.
I have to say that Niall Sludden was fantastic yesterday, always looked like creating something, just unfortunate that no one (outside of Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte) were at his level.
Our system will get us so far but having one man up front requires a special player to pull it off. Pains me to say it but Ronan O'Neill's performance has answered a lot of questions. It appears that the cruciate injury he got has taken the edge of his pace and against the top defenders he's ineffective. His long range shooting and distance free taking on the big stage just isn't there. Don't like to come down on individuals but McAliskey and McCurry don't appear to be the answer either. That extra 5% that separates good Full forwards from great ones hasn't been available to us when the big game moments come. Our hopes next year lie with Lee Brennan, a lot of responsibility to shoulder for such a young lad. What other options do we have?
Quote from: seafoid on August 07, 2016, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
Good performance yesterday from Mayo. Nothing vintage, but god are we a hard team to beat? Mickey Harte got a bit of the run-around tactically from Rochford yesterday. Starting Dillon and dropping Keane caught him completely off guard. In fairness, Mickey team has a lot of players still growing as footballers and yesterday was another big test for them. This is a hard defeat for this Tyrone group, they were really looking at minimum an All Ireland final this year. Mickey has Tyrone so disciplined and a decent system, that he can get an average group of players to Quarter finals and Semi finals year in year out. The next step is the hardest. Believe me Mayo know all about their next step, which is another step up and has been beyond this group so far. Hard to know if Harte is the Man anymore. There seems to be an Arsne Wenger feel to him. Past glories are keeping him untouchable and he seems to be an eternity building. Like Wenger qualifying for the Champions League, Mickey almost guarantees August football for Tyrone year in year out but no more!
Although we won yesterday - Just! I would not lose the run of ourselves and most won't in fairness. We have been here the last 5 years - All Ireland semi final numbers 6 in a row (8 semi-finals if you count replays)! We are back to dreaming again, but we have problems all over the place. Still great to be involved.
Boylan won all Irelands in 87 and 88 and built a new team in 96. I wouldn't drop Harte yet.
I hope Rochford can give Mayo that winning belief.
Not saying that Harte should go. Just he seems presently to be going around in circles. Ulster title was needed this year. And they got it. Unlucky with QF draw. Mayo was not the team to meet at this stage.
The best forwards in the county are in the squad. Is there anyone else you could say playing in the county are not in the squad? I'd think brennan will see more game time next year. On the free kick issue yesterday Morgan missed 2 in the first half that were very difficult I think he should have got the last one (he's still the number 1 keeper in tyrone by a distance imo). How many did ronan oneill miss? I can only remember one long distance he missed?
Niall sludden was excellent yesterday too. Best performance from a sludden in Croker since martin in the meath louth match.
Sludden excellent yesterday. Surely McCurry is better than O'Neill. Would Mc Shane not be an option at FF??
Agreed re Sludden yesterday, outstanding. Agree too that we're missing that Cillian O'Connor equivalent, we badly need someone with that composure and class in front of the posts.
Not sure about Mc Shane at FF, but probably well worth a try.
Congrats Mayo. They came with a plan how to deal with us and we were very predictable. It felt like the first half of the Ulster final where you keep waiting for Tyrone to kick on and do something significant. We just seemed to conservative and fearful with no pace, bravery, players running ahead of the ball.
Some of the lesser teams fall for our play on the break style of play but the better teams can deal with it now and so we have no plan B. When you win playing this style of football you turn a blind eye to it's ugly spectacle but when you lose you wonder why do you bother watching it any more.
Forwards and good freetakers win these tight matches and we had neither yesterday. Playing in Div 1 next year will help us but I think if Mickey keeps focusing so much on defence then our forward play will not develop much.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 06, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Firstly congratulations to Mayo. It was a poor enough game and I felt Mayo found it easier to get their scores. Tyrone are missing a free taker and at least 2 top quality forwards. I would really fear for what Mayo have ahead of them when they most likely will face the Dubs in September could get a real hammering. I am almost happy enough that Tyrone won't be facing them. Any way best of luck to Mayo.
Agree with all
Fcuk it does!! Very disappointing but congrats to Mayo. Had better footballers and more effective set of tactics. Tyrone just didn't perform but were second best.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
I have to say that Niall Sludden was fantastic yesterday, always looked like creating something, just unfortunate that no one (outside of Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte) were at his level.
Our system will get us so far but having one man up front requires a special player to pull it off. Pains me to say it but Ronan O'Neill's performance has answered a lot of questions. It appears that the cruciate injury he got has taken the edge of his pace and against the top defenders he's ineffective. His long range shooting and distance free taking on the big stage just isn't there. Don't like to come down on individuals but McAliskey and McCurry don't appear to be the answer either. That extra 5% that separates good Full forwards from great ones hasn't been available to us when the big game moments come. Our hopes next year lie with Lee Brennan, a lot of responsibility to shoulder for such a young lad. What other options do we have?
Why was he not playing this year? Injured?
There's been more disappointing days to be honest. Won Ulster and got promoted. At this stage were in that subset of teams below Dublin with Kerry and Mayo. And us 3 are pretty evenly matched, there was only really a kick of a ball between the teams yesterday. Getting put out by cork and Meath teams with half the credentials of this Mayo team was more disappointing.
I know Mcnamee's antics can be hard to watch but most teams have one or two players in such a vein. Look at keegan yesterday who dragged Kavanagh round the pitch yesterday and contributed to him getting sent off. He done the same trick last year on Connolly and Connolly befell the same fate yesterday too with a 1st yellow card for being dragged into a row. It's a pity refs are so predictable and easy to manipulate. We see the same dives and antics produce the same reaction from the referee year in year out.
If Tyrone had a free taker they would be facing Tipp in two weeks
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
I have to say that Niall Sludden was fantastic yesterday, always looked like creating something, just unfortunate that no one (outside of Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte) were at his level.
Our system will get us so far but having one man up front requires a special player to pull it off. Pains me to say it but Ronan O'Neill's performance has answered a lot of questions. It appears that the cruciate injury he got has taken the edge of his pace and against the top defenders he's ineffective. His long range shooting and distance free taking on the big stage just isn't there. Don't like to come down on individuals but McAliskey and McCurry don't appear to be the answer either. That extra 5% that separates good Full forwards from great ones hasn't been available to us when the big game moments come. Our hopes next year lie with Lee Brennan, a lot of responsibility to shoulder for such a young lad. What other options do we have?
Why was he not playing this year? Injured?
As far as I know he's been part of the senior squad but hasn't been named in any of the match day squads. Anyone know if he has been carrying injuries?
On a separate note, Conor McKenna scored some goal for the bombers last night. Oh to have him in at FF yesterday!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2016, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 07, 2016, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
Good performance yesterday from Mayo. Nothing vintage, but god are we a hard team to beat? Mickey Harte got a bit of the run-around tactically from Rochford yesterday. Starting Dillon and dropping Keane caught him completely off guard. In fairness, Mickey team has a lot of players still growing as footballers and yesterday was another big test for them. This is a hard defeat for this Tyrone group, they were really looking at minimum an All Ireland final this year. Mickey has Tyrone so disciplined and a decent system, that he can get an average group of players to Quarter finals and Semi finals year in year out. The next step is the hardest. Believe me Mayo know all about their next step, which is another step up and has been beyond this group so far. Hard to know if Harte is the Man anymore. There seems to be an Arsne Wenger feel to him. Past glories are keeping him untouchable and he seems to be an eternity building. Like Wenger qualifying for the Champions League, Mickey almost guarantees August football for Tyrone year in year out but no more!
Although we won yesterday - Just! I would not lose the run of ourselves and most won't in fairness. We have been here the last 5 years - All Ireland semi final numbers 6 in a row (8 semi-finals if you count replays)! We are back to dreaming again, but we have problems all over the place. Still great to be involved.
Boylan won all Irelands in 87 and 88 and built a new team in 96. I wouldn't drop Harte yet.
I hope Rochford can give Mayo that winning belief.
Not saying that Harte should go. Just he seems presently to be going around in circles. Ulster title was needed this year. And they got it. Unlucky with QF draw. Mayo was not the team to meet at this stage.
If Mayo had won Connacht they would have had an easier qf
Taking to a Trillick man who'd know, Lee Brennan just wasn't getting picked. No reason.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
Good performance yesterday from Mayo. Nothing vintage, but god are we a hard team to beat? Mickey Harte got a bit of the run-around tactically from Rochford yesterday. Starting Dillon and dropping Keane caught him completely off guard. In fairness, Mickey team has a lot of players still growing as footballers and yesterday was another big test for them. This is a hard defeat for this Tyrone group, they were really looking at minimum an All Ireland final this year. Mickey has Tyrone so disciplined and a decent system, that he can get an average group of players to Quarter finals and Semi finals year in year out. The next step is the hardest. Believe me Mayo know all about their next step, which is another step up and has been beyond this group so far. Hard to know if Harte is the Man anymore. There seems to be an Arsne Wenger feel to him. Past glories are keeping him untouchable and he seems to be an eternity building. Like Wenger qualifying for the Champions League, Mickey almost guarantees August football for Tyrone year in year out but no more!
Although we won yesterday - Just! I would not lose the run of ourselves and most won't in fairness. We have been here the last 5 years - All Ireland semi final numbers 6 in a row (8 semi-finals if you count replays)! We are back to dreaming again, but we have problems all over the place. Still great to be involved.
Boylan won all Irelands in 87 and 88 and built a new team in 96. I wouldn't drop Harte yet.
I hope Rochford can give Mayo that winning belief.
Not saying that Harte should go. Just he seems presently to be going around in circles. Ulster title was needed this year. And they got it. Unlucky with QF draw. Mayo was not the team to meet at this stage.
If Mayo had won Connacht they would have had an easier qf
Begobs Galway did some damage this Summer to be sure.
Ruined Mayo's run of Connachts.
Then they destroyed Roscommon.
After that they lied down and died.
Now as it transpired by beating Mayo they fucked Tyrone up as well and deprived them of a semi spot.
Well done to Mayo yesterday. Just a little more composed and clinical in front of goal.
Tyrone were just too predictable. I thought Rochford had his homework done fairly well on Tyrone especially early on with Alan Dillon in particular being used to good effect from kick outs, finding space as Justin McMahon dropped back to sweep.
The one thing that annoyed me about Tyrone in the Ulster final and yesterday was the unwillingness to mix the game up. The one time we did kick over the top to McAliskey or O'Neill we had the games only real goal chance.
In saying all that we had more than enough chances to win the game, there just wasn't enough composure in front of goals. There's always next year...
Aidan McCrory .....enough said >:( >:(
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
I have to say that Niall Sludden was fantastic yesterday, always looked like creating something, just unfortunate that no one (outside of Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte) were at his level.
Our system will get us so far but having one man up front requires a special player to pull it off. Pains me to say it but Ronan O'Neill's performance has answered a lot of questions. It appears that the cruciate injury he got has taken the edge of his pace and against the top defenders he's ineffective. His long range shooting and distance free taking on the big stage just isn't there. Don't like to come down on individuals but McAliskey and McCurry don't appear to be the answer either. That extra 5% that separates good Full forwards from great ones hasn't been available to us when the big game moments come. Our hopes next year lie with Lee Brennan, a lot of responsibility to shoulder for such a young lad. What other options do we have?
Although oneill and mccaliskey were poor yesterday you have to empathise with being a full forward in tyrones system. Extremely tiring/demoralising being the only man up with 5 defenders around you and not getting the ball kicked in
Tyrone need a different system out of Ulster.
Agree Gonzalo, however, I'm talking about those 'championship' moments when big players step up and deliver. O'Neill had a horror show in front of goals, McAliskey blew another golden goal chance and McCurry fluffed his limes with last shot on goal. Three excellent players but just not in the league of our 03-08 players.
O'Neill, McGuigan, Mugsy, Canavan, Dooher and that crew were different gravy. Tyrone team has been hyped up a bit much
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2016, 02:43:42 AM
Not long home, bitterly disappointed with how things panned out. Huge congratulations to Mayo, always give it a 100% on the pitch and backed by a great bunch of supporters.
Two things leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Firstly, the ridiculousness of our free taking set up and how this is crucifying us and secondly this shite some of our defenders are at. Ronan McNamee has to take a long hard look at himself after the bullshit I witnessed in the first half in front of me. He made a great dispossession of AoS when first ball came in but made a total dick of himself with his actions afterwards. I really struggle to understand what advantage he thinks he gains from it. Does he really think the forward Will cower away for the remainder of the game? Justy McMahon is another serial offender and is one of the most civil lads you could meet off the pitch. I help coach the u-6s in my local club and if I saw them at that when they were older I'd haul them off immediately and give them a kick up the hole.
Lots to discuss but needed to get that off my chest. Really do hope the Mayo bucks go on and win the thing. However, watching the dubs afterwards doesn't fill me with confidence.
Refreshing honesty.
None of that crap has any part in any game.
The shit that a lot of Dublin defenders is at is sickening to say the least. It is actually disgusting.
I wonder do any the offenders realize there is life after football and how it impacts their reputation or are they just stupid.
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on August 07, 2016, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
I have to say that Niall Sludden was fantastic yesterday, always looked like creating something, just unfortunate that no one (outside of Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte) were at his level.
Our system will get us so far but having one man up front requires a special player to pull it off. Pains me to say it but Ronan O'Neill's performance has answered a lot of questions. It appears that the cruciate injury he got has taken the edge of his pace and against the top defenders he's ineffective. His long range shooting and distance free taking on the big stage just isn't there. Don't like to come down on individuals but McAliskey and McCurry don't appear to be the answer either. That extra 5% that separates good Full forwards from great ones hasn't been available to us when the big game moments come. Our hopes next year lie with Lee Brennan, a lot of responsibility to shoulder for such a young lad. What other options do we have?
Although oneill and mccaliskey were poor yesterday you have to empathise with being a full forward in tyrones system. Extremely tiring/demoralising being the only man up with 5 defenders around you and not getting the ball kicked in
The system didn't seem to effect Mayo inside line who were capable of winning ball against Tyrone mass defence. Our inside line are just not capable of winning ball and going past their man with pace.
Again free kicking was our downfall - AGAIN !!!!
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly are good enough to be mentioned alongside them men you mentioned longballin but they need the supporting cast to be better, in particular the rest of the forward division. Until we get a serious top level inside man and free taker we'll just keep being thereabouts but not winning Sam. We're not a million miles away but the last bits needed to make Tyrone all Ireland winners are the hardest to find.
We ground out the win but the play acting at the end deserved to be punished, a man and a point up we should have been more positive. Defence was a lot stickier than usual, the right decision was made to drop Keane, a disaster waiting to happen, too slow and fouls far too much. Unconvinced about the contribution of Dillon, he got a lot of ball but apart from the long ball into O'Shea, he had two awful efforts at scores. Doherty did little either and picked up a needless yellow and seemed to be petulant in general. Boyle's score before half-time was magic, it was one of those scores that drives a team on. Our defence is in much better shape especially with Higgins back but up front is still a worry, we need more from the likes of Doherty and McLoughlin when he pushes forward.
It wasn't one of Cavanagh's best days in a Tyrone jersey but he's entitled to that, has any man scored more crucial scores for his team over the last 15 years.
Quote from: TF15 on August 07, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly are good enough to be mentioned alongside them men you mentioned longballin but they need the supporting cast to be better, in particular the rest of the forward division. Until we get a serious top level inside man and free taker we'll just keep being thereabouts but not winning Sam. We're not a million miles away but the last bits needed to make Tyrone all Ireland winners are the hardest to find.
This is fair comment. I wonder should we had a play worked in training to get Matty or Peter on the ball in a scenario where we get a free outside our 50m line. For the last free that Morgan kicked, we really should have had prepared for such a scenario and got either of the lads on the ball in shooting distance. Also, I wonder why Richie wasn't used, much more capable of kicking a point than most of the others.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 06, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out).
I hope you weren't one of the Mayo fans sitting behind me, roaring like a herd of cattle standing in the mart all day. The free was for the Mayo players not being outside the 20m line before the kick-out. He kick-out before should also have been hopped for the same reason. It is one thing that should be punished more as lot of the short kick-outs fall foul to it. Its pity some fans wouldn't learn the rules before booing, slabbering, mooing to the ref.
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Tyrone had a free out on the right under the Hogan in second half. Peter Harte knew the score, he played a quick one two and slotted over from play. We really should be trying these more often. Our continuous free kick woes rip the arse out of us and give the opposition a boost every time.
Ritchie had to be injured? There's no way Harte would have left him on the bench in that game.
Richie Donnelly ran up and down the sideline warming up for what seemed like the whole afternoon. Odd that he wasn't brought on at all.
Very disappointing result and our performance just lacked what was needed. I didn't think either side hit the levels they can but Mayo just had that bit more composure in the second half.
I don't like picking on individuals in terms of scapegoating but Cathal McShane is nowhere near ready for this level yet, his decision making is deplorable and the amount of times he shoots from ridiculous angles when he should have been looking at keeping the ball and working an opening was simply unforgivable, he should have been hooked a lot earlier as he was a liability and I think this was a big error on Mickey's part.
I also thought McCurry should have started over O'Neill on the basis of the impact he made in a few games previously.
Overall the same things that cost against Kerry last year cost us again this year, our long distance frees were 0/4 and we had a brilliant goal chance through McAliskey and another half chance with the one the ball over the top he was an inch or two away from getting a hand to in the first half. We got nothing out of those opportunities and that's why we are out.
Seemed to be plenty of needle in it from both sets of players.
Cavanagh's first yellow card was an absolute joke and his second was harsh as his hand seemed to move up from the ball. Lee Keegan has plenty of high profile previous in his underhand tactics in targeting opposition players, it doesn't really seem to get that much attention in the way guys like Neil McGee, Ryan McMenamin etc have got in their career which I think tells you all you need know about media balance and motive.
Can somebody tell me what did Lee Keegan do to Sean Kavanagh which "instigated" the wrestling match. I know Saint Mickey didn't see it but has decided that Keegan was the instigator and all the faithful seem to be following this line, but can someone actually tell me what he did.
Maybe, just maybe Sean was getting such a cleaning by Keegan that he decided Keegan getting a yellow would result in him having an easier second half.
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Quote from: barelegs on August 07, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Richie Donnelly ran up and down the sideline warming up for what seemed like the whole afternoon. Odd that he wasn't brought on at all.
From my vantage point I couldn't make out subs warming up. Can't believe he didn't get on. Wildweasel, Meyler was injured as far as I know.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
I think only one of the mcgees is bad and only gets a bad name off the back of the other one...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Cavanagh has got the same treatment that he got from Keegan yesterday all throughout his career, he learned to look after himself and Sean Cavanagh is certainly more sinned against than sinner.
Now I wonder will Lee Keegan have his track record of underhand tactics and gamesmanship put under the microscope in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Rudi on August 07, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Quote from: Mac2 on August 07, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
We ground out the win but the play acting at the end deserved to be punished, a man and a point up we should have been more positive. Defence was a lot stickier than usual, the right decision was made to drop Keane, a disaster waiting to happen, too slow and fouls far too much. Unconvinced about the contribution of Dillon, he got a lot of ball but apart from the long ball into O'Shea, he had two awful efforts at scores. Doherty did little either and picked up a needless yellow and seemed to be petulant in general. Boyle's score before half-time was magic, it was one of those scores that drives a team on. Our defence is in much better shape especially with Higgins back but up front is still a worry, we need more from the likes of Doherty and McLoughlin when he pushes forward.
It wasn't one of Cavanagh's best days in a Tyrone jersey but he's entitled to that, has any man scored more crucial scores for his team over the last 15 years.
I wouldn't agree with that. Some yellows are well worth it, that one falls into that category
Time for Tyrone to ditch Harte,otherwise they are going to end up like Man ure under Ferguson,winning Ulster titles and Mc Kenna Cups (ugly) but making no progress where it matters.Maybe now we'll get two free flowing semi finals
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Quote from: Rudi on August 07, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
Quote from: Rudi on August 07, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Tyrone are famed for their tight and tigerish defending yet Moran was out and won every ball played into him and I'm not sure if he squandered possession once and you wonder why he started?
far too negative our wee red hand men. but for 3/4 very soft frees we would have been well behind at ht. our full backline was destroyed especially in the air. our full forward line whilst starving for ball did not take the chances on offer. r donnelly might have kicked a score mark bradley will not. the game drifted away in the last 10 as petey and mattie tired. dublin showed the way get the ball and drive forward take your man directly on and cycle the ball to shooters. we must abandon this athletic approach we need forwards who can score not 6 extra defenders. a major change of approach is required.
How many fouls did Aidan O'Shea make yesterday?
Mayo players seem to try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees, O'Shea, Boyle and O'Connor are particularly vocal and in the referees face over any flashpoint or foul - very much like Barcelona/Spain in soccer they try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees.
Gough did a decent job overall but he didn't discourage the cynical Mayo fouling high up the field, it's very obvious that the likes of O'Shea, Parsons, Doherty, Moran, O'Connor etc can't tackle and make very little effort to tackle the ball, it's all about swinging lads around the hips, putting their hand in over the shoulder and pulling the arm back. It's all about disrupting the momentum of the player moving forward with the ball in an illegal manner and while Gough did play the advantage, these incidents were happening again and again and again without punishment for the player. Mayo have been doing this for years but nothing has been made of it.
In the Dublin-Donegal game it was also very evident of the cynical checking and infringing of Ryan McHugh off the ball all day long, again this was happening right in front of the referee and he did nothing to discourage it.
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Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Andy Moran playing well and causing all defences problems with his movement and clever link play. Was surprised to see Dillion taken off at half time yesterday as I thought his accurate kick passing was causing the Tyrone defence all types of problems.
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Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Andy Moran playing well and causing all defences problems with his movement and clever link play. Was surprised to see Dillion taken off at half time yesterday as I thought his accurate kick passing was causing the Tyrone defence all types of problems.
He was shagged! He got so much ball and space that his legs would have been done!
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Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
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I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out).
I hope you weren't one of the Mayo fans sitting behind me, roaring like a herd of cattle standing in the mart all day. The free was for the Mayo players not being outside the 20m line before the kick-out. He kick-out before should also have been hopped for the same reason. It is one thing that should be punished more as lot of the short kick-outs fall foul to it. Its pity some fans wouldn't learn the rules before booing, slabbering, mooing to the ref.
I think maybe you should look at the rules. Short kick outs only have to go 13 yards not past the 13 yard line. There's a difference.
I thought Clarkes on was for kicking a rolling ball
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
He makes runs fair enough but presented with chances he's not ruthless enough. There was a sniff of a goal chance when oshea broke it down to him. I can't fathom how arguably your best player mclaughlin is a sweeper. Parsons done well when introduced.
Would it have been extra-time or straight replay?
Tipp would have loved the replay.
Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 06, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out).
I hope you weren't one of the Mayo fans sitting behind me, roaring like a herd of cattle standing in the mart all day. The free was for the Mayo players not being outside the 20m line before the kick-out. He kick-out before should also have been hopped for the same reason. It is one thing that should be punished more as lot of the short kick-outs fall foul to it. Its pity some fans wouldn't learn the rules before booing, slabbering, mooing to the ref.
I think maybe you should look at the rules. Short kick outs only have to go 13 yards not past the 13 yard line. There's a difference.
I thought Clarkes on was for kicking a rolling ball
The ball has to go 13m but players have to be outside the 20m line when the ball is kicked
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Would it have been extra-time or straight replay?
Tipp would have loved the replay.
Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
On newstalk live coverage they were sure of a replay but in the Times today it said extra-time.
Should be more clarity on this for big games.
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 06, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out).
I hope you weren't one of the Mayo fans sitting behind me, roaring like a herd of cattle standing in the mart all day. The free was for the Mayo players not being outside the 20m line before the kick-out. He kick-out before should also have been hopped for the same reason. It is one thing that should be punished more as lot of the short kick-outs fall foul to it. Its pity some fans wouldn't learn the rules before booing, slabbering, mooing to the ref.
I think maybe you should look at the rules. Short kick outs only have to go 13 yards not past the 13 yard line. There's a difference.
I thought Clarkes on was for kicking a rolling ball
yes they only need to go 13 metres but you must outside the 20metre line first, check you the rules
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 07, 2016, 06:40:34 PM
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Quote from: Rudi on August 07, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
If you could give Dillon and Moran leg transplants you'd have a serious forward line.
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Would it have been extra-time or straight replay?
Tipp would have loved the replay.
Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
On newstalk live coverage they were sure of a replay but in the Times today it said extra-time.
Should be more clarity on this for big games.
Yes, people have travel arrangements, timetables, etc of their own. These details should be announced during the week?
The match programme made it clear that the only game of the afternoon which included a provision for extra time was the Junior AI final. Both senior semis were always scheduled for replays in the event of a draw but it is reasonable to expect that all the arrangements should have been specifically set out in advance of the fixtures.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2016, 06:45:30 PM
How many fouls did Aidan O'Shea make yesterday?
Mayo players seem to try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees, O'Shea, Boyle and O'Connor are particularly vocal and in the referees face over any flashpoint or foul - very much like Barcelona/Spain in soccer they try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees.
Gough did a decent job overall but he didn't discourage the cynical Mayo fouling high up the field, it's very obvious that the likes of O'Shea, Parsons, Doherty, Moran, O'Connor etc can't tackle and make very little effort to tackle the ball, it's all about swinging lads around the hips, putting their hand in over the shoulder and pulling the arm back. It's all about disrupting the momentum of the player moving forward with the ball in an illegal manner and while Gough did play the advantage, these incidents were happening again and again and again without punishment for the player. Mayo have been doing this for years but nothing has been made of it.
In the Dublin-Donegal game it was also very evident of the cynical checking and infringing of Ryan McHugh off the ball all day long, again this was happening right in front of the referee and he did nothing to discourage it.
Good god man 'dhun é'
Disappointing end to the season for Tyrone. I didn't feel they were at their best and yet the game was there for them. Frustrating. Hard to know still quite where Tyrone are at, a season of Division 1 football will help and give us a better idea. My own feeling is that the model developed over the past few years is still too negative. The suggestion has been that they are working on the attacking part but I do feel they can commit much more. The creative talent is there, we don't have to be quite so strongly focused on defence.
Well done to Mayo. I felt it was set up really nicely for them going into the game and they were deserving winners. Genuinely hope they go and win Sam.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Would it have been extra-time or straight replay?
Tipp would have loved the replay.
Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
Commentator said replay on sky.
Any way to watch the entire match back without Sky subscription?
Well done Mayo, a good workmanlike performance, really have a chance to go all the way now. Showed all yere big match experience there yesterday. Ye will have too much for Tipp and then its a one off. The u21 team won 3 games against the odds to win the all-ireland and maybe this is Mayos year. No team from that great province with all those top teams in the all-ireland semi final, its not fair.
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 06, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
I thought Rochford and Co got there calls right today to a huge degree. Didn't see Alan Dillon starting and he had a great half, intelligently finding space. Andy continued from last game..won nearly every ball kicked in to him. Harrison continues to grow in the position and Keith was at home. Leave him there. AOS was immense and COC continues to return to form. Parsons added enormously in second half. I was a bit disappointed that we started keep ball towards the end but have been more disappointed in the past when we gave ball away through reckless shooting and lost as a result.
We were sitting among Tyrone crowd and neither ourselves or Tyrone fans were overly happy with Mr Gough and the banter was great. Since I stopped believing that I can fairly judge a ref when Mayo are playing, I guess this means he wasn't too bad ( though I dont know yet why he pulled on Clarke's kick-out).
I hope you weren't one of the Mayo fans sitting behind me, roaring like a herd of cattle standing in the mart all day. The free was for the Mayo players not being outside the 20m line before the kick-out. He kick-out before should also have been hopped for the same reason. It is one thing that should be punished more as lot of the short kick-outs fall foul to it. Its pity some fans wouldn't learn the rules before booing, slabbering, mooing to the ref.
I think maybe you should look at the rules. Short kick outs only have to go 13 yards not past the 13 yard line. There's a difference.
I thought Clarkes on was for kicking a rolling ball
yes they only need to go 13 metres but you must outside the 20 metre line first, check you the rules
Yes, its both the defending players have to be outside the 20m line and 13m from the ball once it is kicked and there were 3 Mayo defenders who weren't. However, the attacking players also have to be 13m from the ball when it is kicked out too and there was at least 1 Tyrone guy who wasn't and so therefore the kickout should have been taken again.
On the following kickout for Tyrone about a minute later, one of the Tyrone guys was definitely inside the 20m line when the ball was kicked (no Mayo guys were) but no hop ball.
The ref either needs to be strict on all this or don't ..... just don't be inconsistent, i.e.: i'd say there were 10-15 kickout infringements during the game that could have been pulled.
Now one that maybe someone can clarify .... when MAyo had a sideline ball in first half at Cusack/Davin corner, ref held up play after umpire drew his attention to Andy Moran being pulled when he made a run. Ref talked to Tyrone full back but no free( would have had to be a penalty) and no card. So if there was a foul, then why wasn;t there a penalty ?
Don't think he can give a free unless the ball is in play possibly??
The ball has to be live for a free/ pen to be awarded.
However a card can be given if applicable.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 07, 2016, 10:32:52 PM
The ball has to be live for a free/ pen to be awarded.
However a card can be given if applicable.
Nearly sure Sean cavanagh got awarded a free in last minute v Down couple of years back when ball wasn't in play.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2016, 06:45:30 PM
How many fouls did Aidan O'Shea make yesterday?
Mayo players seem to try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees, O'Shea, Boyle and O'Connor are particularly vocal and in the referees face over any flashpoint or foul - very much like Barcelona/Spain in soccer they try and apply an awful lot of pressure on the referees.
Gough did a decent job overall but he didn't discourage the cynical Mayo fouling high up the field, it's very obvious that the likes of O'Shea, Parsons, Doherty, Moran, O'Connor etc can't tackle and make very little effort to tackle the ball, it's all about swinging lads around the hips, putting their hand in over the shoulder and pulling the arm back. It's all about disrupting the momentum of the player moving forward with the ball in an illegal manner and while Gough did play the advantage, these incidents were happening again and again and again without punishment for the player. Mayo have been doing this for years but nothing has been made of it.
In the Dublin-Donegal game it was also very evident of the cynical checking and infringing of Ryan McHugh off the ball all day long, again this was happening right in front of the referee and he did nothing to discourage it.
We have done the nice guy gig! It made us popular, but there was no end product. There probably won't be any end product out of this but at least we're eating at the top table consistently and nobody wants to play us. You see, As you well know it's up to the Referee to deal with controlling a game. If everybody played by the rules there would be no need for a referee.
You know how you're under 21's bullied Tipp and the Rossies last year. Well ye met the equivalent in Senior. This is how you get bullied! And just how you expected the Rossies to take it on the chin, you have now got to do the same. You see you can't have it both ways! ;)
Seen the Cavanagh incident now, def yellow card and all of Monaghan rejoyce, but it hilarious to see the big man O`Shea look for a card after his diving efforts against Fermanagh a while back, same as Donegal with Connolly waving cards too, between that and all the sledging, football has really hit the gutter past few years. how about managers take some responsibility for the behaviour of their players and try bring some respect back into gaelic football. On another issue, Dermot Connolly should seen 2 black cards now 2 games running.
Have there ever been so many good ball-playing wing-backs around?
Harte & Keegan are a joy to watch.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Have there ever been so many good ball-playing wing-backs around?
Harte & Keegan are a joy to watch.
Ryan McHugh is some operator too!
Just after watching the Sunday Game. Tyrone can't have any excuses with some of those misses. Really disappointing.
On a brighter note thought sludden, donnelly and harte were fantastic.
Quote from: An Watcher on August 07, 2016, 11:08:37 PM
Just after watching the Sunday Game. Tyrone can't have any excuses with some of those misses. Really disappointing.
Agreed, had the chances but weren't good enough to take them on the day -- frustrating after having carved them out.
Mayo have that mean edge now, but they'll need to be a little more clinical for the remainder, if they're to finally put the '51 nonsense to bed (which I hope they do)! ;)
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Have there ever been so many good ball-playing wing-backs around?
Harte & Keegan are a joy to watch.
Ryan McHugh is some operator too!
Yes. Lacks the muscle of Harte or Keegan. But sure makes up for it in other ways. Harte is only coming into his prime!
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
If you could give Dillon and Moran leg transplants you'd have a serious forward line.
Nah. Andy much better player now than 10 years ago. Nearly as good as when he did the knee in 2012.
Dillon never was about pace anyway.
But if people want to go with the calendar approach to rating players let them off.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
Tyrone will be disappointed at the missed chances but I still don't think they have refined their forward play enough yet. This was evident in the Ulster final too where their shots and decision making up front was poor to say the least and Sean Cavanagh ended up getting them out of jail. They could have easily lost that match. The lack of a real free-taker is also very problematic. They desperately need a Cillian O'Connor. Matches are often won and lost on frees especially the deeper you get into the business end of the championship. Tyrone won't win an All-Ireland without a consistent free-taker.
Looking at it overall I thought Mayo were the better team. They were just more clinical in front of the posts and worked hard throughout. The management got it very right as well. The whole team looked very hungry for the win and seemed genuinely relieved at the end. Physically they were the much more imposing side too. At one point I saw O'Shea in full forward with the Tyrone full back and the height disparity alone was almost comical. One gripe I do have is with the fannying about at the end with the passing the ball back and forth. That's kamikaze stuff and could have back fired badly if Tyrone's shooting wasn't so terrible.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
If you could give Dillon and Moran leg transplants you'd have a serious forward line.
Nah. Andy much better player now than 10 years ago. Nearly as good as when he did the knee in 2012.
Dillon never was about pace anyway.
But if people want to go with the calendar approach to rating players let them off.
He was very good in 2012 seriously unfortunate to get that injury at the peak ofhis career, but has shown seriously resolve to get back into the team
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Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too
Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.
Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.
Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?
Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts
We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.
If you could give Dillon and Moran leg transplants you'd have a serious forward line.
Nah. Andy much better player now than 10 years ago. Nearly as good as when he did the knee in 2012.
Dillon never was about pace anyway.
But if people want to go with the calendar approach to rating players let them off.
People here take turns calling Andy selfish for a few odd kicks but he's the special kind of eejit that will stick with his team for as long as he can offer anything of value to the effort. Seanie is the same way.
Agreed Andys commitment to the Mayo cause has been immense.
Congrats to the management and team and also to the small backroom team we have at our disposal.
The management in particular have to come in for top marks after this result.
Playing Dillion (who picked up plenty of ball in the middle early on) instead of Keane was a master stroke that rendered Justin MacMahon's role defunct. McMahon was taken off after 25 mins.
Bringin seanie mac into the equation when talking about Andys quality zzzzzzzz ! Theyre related and thats where it ends
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-stop-whingeing-and-childishly-blaming-opponents-for-red-cards-34946416.html
For once I agree with McGee . . . "Oh the other team are being too aggressive marking our best player BooHoo"
Mickey Harte's memory isn't too great along with Jim Gavin's as both have sent their players out to do the same to the opposition (think McMenamin & Mossy Quinn, McMahon & Donaghy). Get over yourselves lads if Cavanagh and Connolly can't handle themselves at this stage of their careers then there's something wrong!!!
A disappointing day for Tyrone on Saturday, kicked themselves out of it. Harte I though looked more anxious on the line than I've seen him in a while. To be honest, I didn't have a great feeling before the game, Mayo had been completely written off all week but they are a team that Tyrone struggle with.
Exceptional performances from Peter Harte, Matty D and Sludden. Tyrones lack of a regular freetaker is shocking. It seems to be nearly whoever feels like it, hits it. Ronan ONeill doesn't seem consistent enough or really have the bottle to take them. Still missing one or two forwards Tyrone. I think McAliskey could be better if he where maybe given a bit more freedom to be an attacking player. His game is nearly based all on tackling and working back when really he should be an inside forward who is hungry for scores. 13,14,15 poor for Tyrone on Saturday, FF line I've said is a horrible place to play, maybe moreso in Tyrones style.
I also think to a degree the way Tyrone play is very difficult to do every match day. It's so much high energy, so much pressing and its basically running the length of the field nonstop. There are days on a football field when its going to be flat, no matter what team it is, when boys cant really get the legs going for whatever reason or that supporting man just isn't there, it happens like and it happened on Saturday I felt. In the end then, with the FF line offering really nothing, Tyrone had no alternative outlet. The point that Andy Moran got on Saturday in the first half where Dillion played a ball and Oshea just broke it down for Moran who tapped it over is something Tyrone don't really have in their arsenal. All you need is maybe that option for 2 or 3 balls in a match and to result in a couple of scores. Its takes a lot of pressure off the runners for a while.
I don't know why Morgan was trying a free from 55 meters either, Tyrone should have just moved that quick and worked the ball in. I also think McCurry was very greedy going for that last score, he done well to get the interception but he was on the run and could have cut inside and used the ball, they could definitely have worked a score from that position. I sort of screamed at the TV when he kicked it, my initial reaction he should have been driving at the goals and working a score as Tyrone has men up at that time.
can any one explain what tyrone last free was for . O shea was clearly push to the ground when he went down on it . It game Morgan a free straight in front of the goal , but being stupid or fannying around with the ball killing time,legally, is no excuse for a wrong decision that would have changed the result of the game
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can any one explain what tyrone last free was for . O shea was clearly push to the ground when he went down on it . It game Morgan a free straight in front of the goal , but being stupid or fannying around with the ball killing time,legally, is no excuse for a wrong decision that would have changed the result of the game
I didnt think it was a push, O'Shea played for a free and didnt get it. One of the Mayo lads then touched the ball on the ground and threw it away. Throwing the ball away probably won the game for Mayo as the ref moved it forward and Tyrone wasted a good minute bringing the keeper up to take it.
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Post-match analysis is even hard. Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it but yet Mayo were the better team: stronger midfield, big players had big games, experience/cuteness.
Tyrone will be disappointed at the missed chances but I still don't think they have refined their forward play enough yet. This was evident in the Ulster final too where their shots and decision making up front was poor to say the least and Sean Cavanagh ended up getting them out of jail. They could have easily lost that match. The lack of a real free-taker is also very problematic. They desperately need a Cillian O'Connor. Matches are often won and lost on frees especially the deeper you get into the business end of the championship. Tyrone won't win an All-Ireland without a consistent free-taker.
Looking at it overall I thought Mayo were the better team. They were just more clinical in front of the posts and worked hard throughout. The management got it very right as well. The whole team looked very hungry for the win and seemed genuinely relieved at the end. Physically they were the much more imposing side too. At one point I saw O'Shea in full forward with the Tyrone full back and the height disparity alone was almost comical. One gripe I do have is with the fannying about at the end with the passing the ball back and forth. That's kamikaze stuff and could have back fired badly if Tyrone's shooting wasn't so terrible.
I'd agree with that. I think Mayo had that bit more physicality on us and really tried to impose that from early on.
I watched the game back and at 11-11 we had 6 decent scoring opportunities from then on in - McCann, McCarron, McCurry (x2), Morgan and Sludden despite having Cavanagh sent off. I think Mayo might have had one in that time, we had it there, we just weren't efficient enough in front of the goal - apart from the McCann and Morgan efforts they were all chances you need to be taking in those situations. Keegan hit two great scores near the end, Mayo seemed to have the mettle to take them but in typical Mayo fashion they gave the opposition the chances to throw it all away.
On a tactical viewpoint, we have definitely succeeded against Kerry and Mayo in our last two Championship defeats, we have done exactly what we needed to beat them but we just didn't have the composure and mettle to put those chances away. You simply cannot afford to pass up when you are playing against opposition of that standard.
I don't know if we have anyone within the county to convert those. Lee Brennan maybe? I hope Sean Cavanagh gives it another year, he's been the best player in the game over the past 15 years (for my money) and I don't want to see it end on that note. I think we need to mould a target man in the full forward line next year (to give us variety in there), the two most obvious options are Niall McKenna and Danny McNulty but the questions will remain whether they are up to it?
Tyrone forwards are poor, no marquee forwards at all. no points from play from your full forward line and no right footed free taker....
when teams don't push up on tyrone they have no plan B
Next year, the 2 brennans, McGeary, munroe and burns have to start
and please tell me that's the end of mcrory, he got skinned CO'C destroyed him and was the difference
Quote from: rosnarun on August 08, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
can any one explain what tyrone last free was for . O shea was clearly push to the ground when he went down on it . It game Morgan a free straight in front of the goal , but being stupid or fannying around with the ball killing time,legally, is no excuse for a wrong decision that would have changed the result of the game
There was a late hit on the Tyrone player after he touched the ball but it seemed like a genuine tackle and I don't think it was a free. I thought the McCurry equaliser (free) at 12-12 was very soft too but Mayo had a few soft ones through the game as well.
The Cavanagh decision was definitely manifested by the earlier foul he made on Higgins where he possibly could have got a booking but he let him off. Once he made the next tackle Gough had his mind made up, Cavanagh was extremely unfortunate though as it wasa genuine tackle on the ball and he tried to pull out when his hand bounced off the ball.
It was a frustrating day for Sean as Keegan got on top early...........it would have been a big decision but I felt he either should have been taken off or moved in to full forward.
He was on a yellow and if you remember the ref correctly blew him up for grabbing Keegan's arm and trying to buy a free. He could easily have been given a second yellow for that or even a black as it was deliberate pull down.
Don't think the ref hurt Tyrone at all to be honest.
Sean wasn't in the game at all and should have been given 10-15 mins in at FF. To be fair to Ronan O'Neill he had no support any time he got the ball so could do feck all.
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
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can any one explain what tyrone last free was for . O shea was clearly push to the ground when he went down on it . It game Morgan a free straight in front of the goal , but being stupid or fannying around with the ball killing time,legally, is no excuse for a wrong decision that would have changed the result of the game
There was a late hit on the Tyrone player after he touched the ball but it seemed like a genuine tackle and I don't think it was a free. I thought the McCurry equaliser (free) at 12-12 was very soft too but Mayo had a few soft ones through the game as well.
The Cavanagh decision was definitely manifested by the earlier foul he made on Higgins where he possibly could have got a booking but he let him off. Once he made the next tackle Gough had his mind made up, Cavanagh was extremely unfortunate though as it wasa genuine tackle on the ball and he tried to pull out when his hand bounced off the ball.
hat would make sense but I watched it several time and its not on the tape . O shea got to the ball first , I would have been spitting blood if he had scored that . both at mayo for getting into the position and then throwing the ball away making it a 'scorable free' but also at ref for giving something he could not possibly have seen.
I thought the referee was generally OK, although Cavanaghs sending off was very soft.
The first booking was initiated by Keegan and I couldn't see anything Cavanagh did to warrant a yellow card.
Keegan could (should ) have already been in the book for another grappling incident with him in the first half right in front of the linesman, but got away with it, when the referee just spoke to the two of them.
Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
Almost all GAA intercounty lads are decent good living people. When you go on the pitch you have to take on a certain persona. It goes with the territory.
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
I think Lee is as much sinned against as sinner. He is obviously a man teams would want to get sent off, as Kerry admitted in 2014 (of course they succeeded). However I will have to park my Mayo bias and acknowledge he is usually in the middle of most of these kinds of events too,
His battles with Connolly will go down in the Annals when they are finished playing. I thought despite the controversy and court appearances etc, last year, there was a great photo of Connolly and Keegan shaking hands afterwards (as it should be in Gaa).
Edit: Here it is..
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
People get far too caught up in the on field persona of players. We all know players even at club level who are as sound as a pound but once they cross the whitewash are a different animal. Its much the same at inter county and probably much more magnified given the stakes involved.
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
People get far too caught up in the on field persona of players. We all know players even at club level who are as sound as a pound but once they cross the whitewash are a different animal. Its much the same at inter county and probably much more magnified given the stakes involved.
in Fairness though we only know them as players and what they do off the pitch is not anything to do with us . they can be the nicest guys in the world or grumpy wifebeaters , none of our business
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Is he developing a reputation as a man who tries to get his man sent off? I am thinking of Connolly last year more than Cavanagh yesterday as I did not see the start of that incident?
Having just thrown some mud there I though he came across as civil in the post match interview on TSG last night.
He gets a lot of shite from opponents, including Connolly. Anyone remember the 3013 final where Connolly in an off the ball incident was seen pushing Keegan repeatedly from behind and Keegan attempting to ward him off. The camera had zoned in on this incident and stayed with it for about five seconds.
Like the likes of Aidan O'Sé and Sean Cavanagh, he gets hassled all the time.
A lot has been made of all the missed chances from Tyrone and rightly so but that many misses cannot simply be put down to poor kicking and poor shot selection.
I think the biggest battle that was lost on the day was the mental one and in such a close scoring encounter this proved decisive.
Games like this happen where the deeper you have to dig the harder it becomes. You lose your shape, your confidence, your legs feel like lead. The post become narrower and narrower and your brain is 2 seconds slower than normal.
The disappointment is that this was not a phenomenally good Mayo team and on another day I have no doubt we would have destroyed them.
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Any way to watch the entire match back without Sky subscription?
Anyone??
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A lot has been made of all the missed chances from Tyrone and rightly so but that many misses cannot simply be put down to poor kicking and poor shot selection.
I think the biggest battle that was lost on the day was the mental one and in such a close scoring encounter this proved decisive.
Games like this happen where the deeper you have to dig the harder it becomes. You lose your shape, your confidence, your legs feel like lead. The post become narrower and narrower and your brain is 2 seconds slower than normal.
The disappointment is that this was not a phenomenally good Mayo team and on another day I have no doubt we would have destroyed them.
Don't be kidding yourself lad. We could easily say the same thing. You lost a very tight match, there are fine margins in games like that. Take it on the chin.
Quote from: winghalfun on August 08, 2016, 11:45:36 AM
A lot has been made of all the missed chances from Tyrone and rightly so but that many misses cannot simply be put down to poor kicking and poor shot selection.
I think the biggest battle that was lost on the day was the mental one and in such a close scoring encounter this proved decisive.
Games like this happen where the deeper you have to dig the harder it becomes. You lose your shape, your confidence, your legs feel like lead. The post become narrower and narrower and your brain is 2 seconds slower than normal.
The disappointment is that this was not a phenomenally good Mayo team and on another day I have no doubt we would have destroyed them.
you actually typed that? On what day would the current Tyrone team have destroyed Mayo? You've a young enough team, who on the whole are a lot less experienced than this Mayo team. These Mayo players know what it is to win, and lose big games in Croke Pk as they have been exposed to the business end of the championship for the last 6 years. Don't underestimate this Mayo team, they could have a very good year
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Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Sure so is Ricey, Conor Gormley, Tiernan McCann etc. Hardly matters when people want to form an opinion. Keegan is a class act and did exactly what he had to do on Sunday and Sean should have handled the whole thing a lot better!
Looking back on the game , i honestly dont know why i see things so different . I think our tactics were rubbish , why did we feel we had to out tyrone by being tyrone. I think its mcantee myself holding the bucks back from going for it and its simply not going to be good enough. Whats the idea anyway , its like over complicating stuff for no logical reason.
Great win , great heart, great bunch of lads but i havent enjoyed much of the football we have played this year , far too conservative . You could see on sat we could have had great success with the most simple of tactics , a decent ball into aido on the square an intelligent (but a basic gaelic football skill that seems to be lost ) position for andy to take the breaking ball and bang over the fooking bar. Why not try it again x4 if it worked the first time?
Im actually convinced modern managers are anti simple even if it results in a score.
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Looking back on the game , i honestly dont know why i see things so different . I think our tactics were rubbish , why did we feel we had to out tyrone by being tyrone. I think its mcantee myself holding the bucks back from going for it and its simply not going to be good enough. Whats the idea anyway , its like over complicating stuff for no logical reason.
Great win , great heart, great bunch of lads but i havent enjoyed much of the football we have played this year , far too conservative . You could see on sat we could have had great success with the most simple of tactics , a decent ball into aido on the square an intelligent (but a basic gaelic football skill that seems to be lost ) position for andy to take the breaking ball and bang over the fooking bar. Why not try it again x4 if it worked the first time?
Im actually convinced modern managers are anti simple even if it results in a score.
I don't think it's McEntee . . .
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/tony-mcentee/employing-sweeper-very-nearly-a-calamity-for-mayo-283453.html
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2016, 12:10:12 PM
Looking back on the game , i honestly dont know why i see things so different . I think our tactics were rubbish , why did we feel we had to out tyrone by being tyrone. I think its mcantee myself holding the bucks back from going for it and its simply not going to be good enough. Whats the idea anyway , its like over complicating stuff for no logical reason.
Great win , great heart, great bunch of lads but i havent enjoyed much of the football we have played this year , far too conservative . You could see on sat we could have had great success with the most simple of tactics , a decent ball into aido on the square an intelligent (but a basic gaelic football skill that seems to be lost ) position for andy to take the breaking ball and bang over the fooking bar. Why not try it again x4 if it worked the first time?
Im actually convinced modern managers are anti simple even if it results in a score.
Disagree. Thought the tactics and selection and substitutions were more or less bang on. One of the most impressive performances from this team - much more meaningful than some of the hidings that we've dished out to more tactically naïve teams in recent years.
What would you have done? Gone all gung-ho. Tyrone would have thought all their Christmases came together if we took a more liberal approach. A more high risk approach means more turnovers and we would have played into Tyrone's hands who want to ambush a team and hit them on the break.
Simple stuff like the ball into the square is all very fine but if it is used too much and is predictable it can be easily defended and just becomes another way to give the opposition back the ball.
We have been working on this system a while now and not a bit like the scenario v Kerry in '14 that McEntee was so critical of because it was a one-off.
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omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
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Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
QuoteDon't be kidding yourself lad. We could easily say the same thing. You lost a very tight match, there are fine margins in games like that. Take it on the chin
Tubberman, I am taking it on the chin. Doesn't mean to say I can't be disappointed. I genuinely wish Mayo well in the semi-final and hopefully final. You deserved your win.
The point Omagh Gael highlighted is so right because when a team loses focus the way some of the Tyrone players did - well, even at underage club level you see the result of this.
I stand by my assertion that Tyrone would easily have won had their mental attitude been different
I think Mayo's tactics were bang on and it's the only way to really beat a team playing with such a defensive system.
Look how Kerry beat Donegal 2 years ago. It is horrible to watch for many but it's a battle of wits and who can take their chances the most. Tyrone stuck much too rigidly to their system and showed no variation and very little pace or support play for the player in possession. I think that's why we had so many wides as we had to shoot from under pressure a lot of the time.
You could see it was a big step up from the teams we had met all year both with their experience and physicality. Mayo's defence dealt quite easily with our forwards whereas Tyrone struggled a bit with O'Shea and Moran.
I can see Mayo frustrate Tipp by playing a similar game rather than opening up and playing a more gung ho style again. I'd love to see Tyrone move away from this style of game but I fear they won't. Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
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Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
I couldn't agree less. It is not harmless, there are young children watching these games and week in and week out they are seeing county footballers (who they aspire to be) roaring into an opponents face when they miss or when their own team score. Is it right that these kids think this is acceptable and the Norm? Ive seen it creeping into my own clubs senior team as well. I despise it. The sooner its out of the game the better.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 08, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
I think Mayo's tactics were bang on and it's the only way to really beat a team playing with such a defensive system.
Look how Kerry beat Donegal 2 years ago. It is horrible to watch for many but it's a battle of wits and who can take their chances the most. Tyrone stuck much too rigidly to their system and showed no variation and very little pace or support play for the player in possession. I think that's why we had so many wides as we had to shoot from under pressure a lot of the time.
You could see it was a big step up from the teams we had met all year both with their experience and physicality. Mayo's defence dealt quite easily with our forwards whereas Tyrone struggled a bit with O'Shea and Moran.
I can see Mayo frustrate Tipp by playing a similar game rather than opening up and playing a more gung ho style again. I'd love to see Tyrone move away from this style of game but I fear they won't. Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
I'm not a neutral but I thought, even though the scoreline was low, that it was a more exciting game than the Ulster Final for example. Some of the point scoring was excellent as was some of the kick passing. There was a lot more "go forward" ball as well despite the defensive systems in place and less back and forth and over, besides the last 5 minutes from Mayo when they were trying to hold onto the ball and the lead
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
I think Mayo's tactics were bang on and it's the only way to really beat a team playing with such a defensive system.
Look how Kerry beat Donegal 2 years ago. It is horrible to watch for many but it's a battle of wits and who can take their chances the most. Tyrone stuck much too rigidly to their system and showed no variation and very little pace or support play for the player in possession. I think that's why we had so many wides as we had to shoot from under pressure a lot of the time.
You could see it was a big step up from the teams we had met all year both with their experience and physicality. Mayo's defence dealt quite easily with our forwards whereas Tyrone struggled a bit with O'Shea and Moran.
I can see Mayo frustrate Tipp by playing a similar game rather than opening up and playing a more gung ho style again. I'd love to see Tyrone move away from this style of game but I fear they won't. Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
I think Mayo and the other 2 are more sophisticated. Tyrone are not as good as Donegal 2012. For next year they need a wider range of tactics .
If you were to watch the highlights of most games this year, you would actually think, "This looked pretty decent".
There have been some absolutely fantastic scores kicked from long-range, tight angles, under pressure etc.
However, the highlights cut out most of the 237 handpasses it took to get a man in a position to shoot.
I genuinely do not think players are less able now in terms of kicking & passing ability, it's just that in a percentage game they are compelled to take the safe option and retain possession.
You can deliver a 70 yard foot-pass onto a man's chest but what does he do when he has it?
If he doesn't have support runners or enough space to turn and shoot himself, he will be turned over.
I have to say though, Mattie Donnelly gave a beautifully lofted foot-pass into one of the corner forwards for a goal chance on Saturday.
It's just a pity we see skill like that so rarely nowadays.
I felt Mayo's tactics were spot on. Tyrone would have been delighted if Mayo had come out and played conventional football as most of their best players such as Harte, Donnelly, McCann etc would have had a field day turning over Mayo, breaking at speed and expoliting the gaps in behind. It made for a complete arm wrestle of a match and it could have gone either way (similar in many ways to the Ulster final) but if they had chosen their tactics differently as I thought they would have, I think Tyrone would have won easily. Tyrone have perfected this defensive system for a number of years now whereas it isn't natural this Mayo team. Each player has to have a clearly defined role and know exactly what is expected of them which they seem to be improving with.
This type of mouthing which we see now on a regular basis, Donegal and Tyrone been the prime offenders didnt go on years ago, there be a quick comment but no regular harassment through the game. Reason been a player back then didn't think twice about hitting a man, McKeever on T Ryan, McGilligan on G Ryan, M Lyons on anybody, P`O Se etc, if you continually kept on at players you knew you were going to get hit and hit seriously legally or not. Half these hard men these days would shut up pretty quick if they knew there antics would entail a visit to the local dentist
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 08, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
I couldn't agree less. It is not harmless, there are young children watching these games and week in and week out they are seeing county footballers (who they aspire to be) roaring into an opponents face when they miss or when their own team score. Is it right that these kids think this is acceptable and the Norm? Ive seen it creeping into my own clubs senior team as well. I despise it. The sooner its out of the game the better.
Young lads have been watching county players breaking each others noses and violently attacking opposition players since the game started. Is it right that they think this is acceptable or the norm?
Compared to that I think roaring at a player is pretty harmless and my point is that while it is not pleasant the game has far bigger problems than this.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
This type of mouthing which we see now on a regular basis, Donegal and Tyrone been the prime offenders didnt go on year ago, there be a quick comment but no regular harassment through the game. Reason been a player back then didn't think twice about hitting a man, McKeever on T Ryan, McGilligan on G Ryan, M Lyons on anybody, P`O Se etc, if you continually kept on at players you knew you were going to get hit and hit seriously legally or not. Half these hard men these days would shut up pretty quick if they knew there antics would entail a visit to the local dentist
So you are saying that
Mouthing = bad
Violence = good
Bizarre logic.
McNamee and McCarron are the worst offenders. Could you honestly imagine that McCarron boy giving out to anyone!! Jesus wept!! At least Ricey could play football and would have scored that effort McCarron missed at the end!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
I think Mayo's tactics were bang on and it's the only way to really beat a team playing with such a defensive system.
Look how Kerry beat Donegal 2 years ago. It is horrible to watch for many but it's a battle of wits and who can take their chances the most. Tyrone stuck much too rigidly to their system and showed no variation and very little pace or support play for the player in possession. I think that's why we had so many wides as we had to shoot from under pressure a lot of the time.
You could see it was a big step up from the teams we had met all year both with their experience and physicality. Mayo's defence dealt quite easily with our forwards whereas Tyrone struggled a bit with O'Shea and Moran.
I can see Mayo frustrate Tipp by playing a similar game rather than opening up and playing a more gung ho style again. I'd love to see Tyrone move away from this style of game but I fear they won't. Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
The Tyrone system has been all about running to support he man in possession. You have only to look at the majority of the goals they have scored, created by quickly moving into space to support the man. Mayo and Donegal only did what Tyrone have been doing and ensured there was no space for a runner.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2016, 12:10:12 PM
Looking back on the game , i honestly dont know why i see things so different . I think our tactics were rubbish , why did we feel we had to out tyrone by being tyrone. I think its mcantee myself holding the bucks back from going for it and its simply not going to be good enough. Whats the idea anyway , its like over complicating stuff for no logical reason.
Great win , great heart, great bunch of lads but i havent enjoyed much of the football we have played this year , far too conservative . You could see on sat we could have had great success with the most simple of tactics , a decent ball into aido on the square an intelligent (but a basic gaelic football skill that seems to be lost ) position for andy to take the breaking ball and bang over the fooking bar. Why not try it again x4 if it worked the first time?
Im actually convinced modern managers are anti simple even if it results in a score.
The big bad outsider's fault! Not McEntee's style if his club management days is anything to go by.
Tactics were spot on ? Tbh we should of lost the game and a draw would of been the best we would of got if Tyrone had of not shot so many wides in the last quater. Galway and tyrone games only serious games weve had and not one goal chance created. It bugs me because i believe we are far better than we are showing in this restricted system. Nowt wrong with the defensive structure thats been put in place , im not advocating abandoning it but let the shackles off at the right periods .
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 08, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
I couldn't agree less. It is not harmless, there are young children watching these games and week in and week out they are seeing county footballers (who they aspire to be) roaring into an opponents face when they miss or when their own team score. Is it right that these kids think this is acceptable and the Norm? Ive seen it creeping into my own clubs senior team as well. I despise it. The sooner its out of the game the better.
Young lads have been watching county players breaking each others noses and violently attacking opposition players since the game started. Is it right that they think this is acceptable or the norm?
Compared to that I think roaring at a player is pretty harmless and my point is that while it is not pleasant the game has far bigger problems than this.
If its such a small problem it should be easily eradicated. The quicker the black cards are dished out for this sort of stuff the better. When men start getting the line for this it will soon stop. Too me its the worst thing in the game at the minute.
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 03:14:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 08, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
I couldn't agree less. It is not harmless, there are young children watching these games and week in and week out they are seeing county footballers (who they aspire to be) roaring into an opponents face when they miss or when their own team score. Is it right that these kids think this is acceptable and the Norm? Ive seen it creeping into my own clubs senior team as well. I despise it. The sooner its out of the game the better.
Young lads have been watching county players breaking each others noses and violently attacking opposition players since the game started. Is it right that they think this is acceptable or the norm?
Compared to that I think roaring at a player is pretty harmless and my point is that while it is not pleasant the game has far bigger problems than this.
If its such a small problem it should be easily eradicated. The quicker the black cards are dished out for this sort of stuff the better. When men start getting the line for this it will soon stop. Too me its the worst thing in the game at the minute.
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 03:14:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2016, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 08, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
omagh-gael it can be very difficult to be objective when commenting on one's own county (especially after a narrow defeat), but hats off to you, you have managed it admirably. I wish more of us could do the same.
It was an extremely frustrating match as we had it well within our power to win. The carry on by some of our defenders has left a source taste in my mouth for a long time and the messing after the first ball in was infuriating. I mean, if it served a purpose and was functional you could live with it. It's just so fecking pointless and, in fact, no doubt motivate the attacker more when the next ball came in.
County referees up and down the country are watching that and in the future may be reffing our games. Now put yourself in their shoes when something untoward has happened and they're not 100% who is at fault. The fact that we have a reputation for underhand tactics (when there are many guilty parties, including Mayo, out there) is bound to have an impact on their decision making. The aesthetics of Ronan McNamee etc burn deep in the consciousness.
To be fair, we have cut out a lot of the cynical dross this season and this has been acknowledged by a lot of media I have noticed. However, I think Mickey needs to sort this roaring, posturing bullshit out once and for all.
I think it's pretty harmless stuff, the players shake hands at the end of the match and get on with it. It may not be pleasant but there was a lot of needle from both sets of players, just like it will be when any of the top 5/6 teams play, they all look to cross lines to get an advantage.
The difference is when the abuse crosses the line but I don't think it did Saturday.
Every side has its pups, we are no worse than any other side in this regard despite what the media may like to portray.
I couldn't agree less. It is not harmless, there are young children watching these games and week in and week out they are seeing county footballers (who they aspire to be) roaring into an opponents face when they miss or when their own team score. Is it right that these kids think this is acceptable and the Norm? Ive seen it creeping into my own clubs senior team as well. I despise it. The sooner its out of the game the better.
Young lads have been watching county players breaking each others noses and violently attacking opposition players since the game started. Is it right that they think this is acceptable or the norm?
Compared to that I think roaring at a player is pretty harmless and my point is that while it is not pleasant the game has far bigger problems than this.
If its such a small problem it should be easily eradicated. The quicker the black cards are dished out for this sort of stuff the better. When men start getting the line for this it will soon stop. Too me its the worst thing in the game at the minute.
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
The rule book says it's a black card.... the reason we are keen to send people off for it is because we don't want to see it in our game and sending people off is the only way players will learn!
My own view is it should be a sin bin offence but then that's a different argument!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Actually ...
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
So it should be a black card by the rules.
Has anyone ever received a black card for sledging?
Not that I can recall.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:27:41 AM
Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Sure so is Ricey, Conor Gormley, Tiernan McCann etc. Hardly matters when people want to form an opinion. Keegan is a class act and did exactly what he had to do on Sunday and Sean should have handled the whole thing a lot better!
Ricey is a knob on and off the field.
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 08, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:27:41 AM
Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Sure so is Ricey, Conor Gormley, Tiernan McCann etc. Hardly matters when people want to form an opinion. Keegan is a class act and did exactly what he had to do on Sunday and Sean should have handled the whole thing a lot better!
Ricey is a knob on and off the field.
Is name calling and sledging worse on faceless online discussion boards or face to face on a football pitch. Who is the bigger knob I wonder?
What i am saying is years ago mouthing lead to the violence, stricter penalties on striking as seen this reduced but not the lead cause of men leading to strike, in most cases mouthing.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2016, 03:06:17 PM
Tactics were spot on ? Tbh we should of lost the game and a draw would of been the best we would of got if Tyrone had of not shot so many wides in the last quater. Galway and tyrone games only serious games weve had and not one goal chance created. It bugs me because i believe we are far better than we are showing in this restricted system. Nowt wrong with the defensive structure thats been put in place , im not advocating abandoning it but let the shackles off at the right periods .
Tyrone shot a lot of wides in the Ulster Final v Donegal, it's just the stunning last few minutes of that game covered up the cracks and left a false impression of a classier finisher.
Tyrone's poor shooting is a part of their game this year.
Of the three, Mayo / Tyrone / Donegal, I don't think there's much between them, games could have gone either way or gone to replays but Mayo have been the most impressive and less 'system' orientated.
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 08, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 11:27:41 AM
Dunno what non-Mayo people make of him on the pitch, but I have to say Lee Keegan is one of the nicest lads you could ever meet.
Sure so is Ricey, Conor Gormley, Tiernan McCann etc. Hardly matters when people want to form an opinion. Keegan is a class act and did exactly what he had to do on Sunday and Sean should have handled the whole thing a lot better!
Ricey is a knob on and off the field.
Had always heard Ricey was a good spud
The reaction of some people on here to 'sledging' shows that all is fair game. There is an element of it in most teams but there are a few teams that seem to use it as an organised tactic. Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin a few years back. It's wrong. I know my own club has been involved in it but I don't agree with it. There has to be clear stance on it by the refs and rule makers. The one thing I think we have prided ourselves on over the years is the 'honesty' and 'manliness' of our games. I believe a lot of that has been eroded. Maybe we children of 80's and 90's football have rose tinted outlooks but there is an ever increasing sleaziness creeping into the game. I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix. It's there and it's not nice. I played in a win at all costs team but never relied on gutter sniping to win a game. I often answered someone but it was just on response to a verbal attack.
Quote from: Main Street on August 08, 2016, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2016, 03:06:17 PM
Tactics were spot on ? Tbh we should of lost the game and a draw would of been the best we would of got if Tyrone had of not shot so many wides in the last quater. Galway and tyrone games only serious games weve had and not one goal chance created. It bugs me because i believe we are far better than we are showing in this restricted system. Nowt wrong with the defensive structure thats been put in place , im not advocating abandoning it but let the shackles off at the right periods .
Tyrone shot a lot of wides in the Ulster Final v Donegal, it's just the stunning last few minutes of that game covered up the cracks and left a false impression of a classier finisher.
Tyrone's poor shooting is a part of their game this year.
Of the three, Mayo / Tyrone / Donegal, I don't think there's much between them, games could have gone either way or gone to replays but Mayo have been the most impressive and less 'system' orientated.
Would agree with that. . . The Tyrone team in their prime had a system as well but not as rigid as the current version. Players like Jordan/O'Neill/Mulligan/Canavan/McGuigan etc. were given a bit of free reign at times to take the initiative and they were intelligent/skillful enough to be trusted.
The current crop have a few lads who are allowed to do that (Harte/Donnelly/Cavanagh) but not enough quality when it comes to the more experienced/better teams. That game was won on experience and experience alone. Why Mayo were 13/8 baffled me when this Tyrone team appeared as if from nowhere as the closest threat to Dublin. They will be but it's another 3/4 years yet!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Actually ...
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
So it should be a black card by the rules.
I'd like to see where we draw the line with that one then! Another completely unworkable use of the black card. Which is probably why we have never seen it. How will we define what warrants the sending off. Is calling some a knob worthy of a black card? Is calling them a f**king knob worse? Will it be determined by how close to their face they are? We always seem very keen to send lads off then moan about it when people are sent off.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
The reaction of some people on here to 'sledging' shows that all is fair game. There is an element of it in most teams but there are a few teams that seem to use it as an organised tactic. Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin a few years back. It's wrong. I know my own club has been involved in it but I don't agree with it. There has to be clear stance on it by the refs and rule makers. The one thing I think we have prided ourselves on over the years is the 'honesty' and 'manliness' of our games. I believe a lot of that has been eroded. Maybe we children of 80's and 90's football have rose tinted outlooks but there is an ever increasing sleaziness creeping into the game. I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix. It's there and it's not nice. I played in a win at all costs team but never relied on gutter sniping to win a game. I often answered someone but it was just on response to a verbal attack.
Hah!?
You told me you were winding up poor the Ballina midfielders all those years ago. :D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Actually ...
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
So it should be a black card by the rules.
I'd like to see where we draw the line with that one then! Another completely unworkable use of the black card. Which is probably why we have never seen it. How will we define what warrants the sending off. Is calling some a knob worthy of a black card? Is calling them a f**king knob worse? Will it be determined by how close to their face they are? We always seem very keen to send lads off then moan about it when people are sent off.
If the blatantly obvious sledging - like the Tyrone player who roared in AOS face earlier on - was black carded then it would make others think twice.
This sledging crap puts me off watching football more than anything else. It is sly and shows everything bad about a character. We all condemn the punch or the kick but these are regularly carded. To pass sledging off as part of the game does us all a disservice. It is cowardice in that you are not brave enough to let your football ability win through. It also seems to be more premeditated than some physical exchanges.
As a thought was O'Gara or the Tyrone defender I mentioned earlier more deserving of a card on Saturday? I know which I think.
I was told today that on Skhye Jim McGuinness said something along the lines that it's all part of the game nowadays.
Lads waving ghost cards to the ref isn't helping the game either though.
Quote from: highorlow on August 08, 2016, 07:05:52 PM
I was told today that on Skhye Jim McGuinness said something along the lines that it's all part of the game nowadays.
Lads waving ghost cards to the ref isn't helping the game either though.
Agree 100% on the imaginary card rubbish.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Actually ...
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
So it should be a black card by the rules.
I'd like to see where we draw the line with that one then! Another completely unworkable use of the black card. Which is probably why we have never seen it. How will we define what warrants the sending off. Is calling some a knob worthy of a black card? Is calling them a f**king knob worse? Will it be determined by how close to their face they are? We always seem very keen to send lads off then moan about it when people are sent off.
I'd make the distinction between some lad calling another lad a bollocks as he walks by him and this thing of blatantly roaring into an opponents face after a free/miss etc.
(http://i3.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article6293179.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/inpho_00300663.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Aye, because the dishing out of black cards has had such a good impact so far! Book someone for it, like it says in the rule book. Why are we so fecking keen to send people off in our sport!
Actually ...
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
So it should be a black card by the rules.
I'd like to see where we draw the line with that one then! Another completely unworkable use of the black card. Which is probably why we have never seen it. How will we define what warrants the sending off. Is calling some a knob worthy of a black card? Is calling them a f**king knob worse? Will it be determined by how close to their face they are? We always seem very keen to send lads off then moan about it when people are sent off.
I'd make the distinction between some lad calling another lad a bollocks as he walks by him and this thing of blatantly roaring into an opponents face after a free/miss etc.
(http://i3.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article6293179.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/inpho_00300663.jpg)
So black card for roaring? Ok. We'd need to be very specific if lads are leaving the pitch.
If someone roars in your face like that you should be allowed stick your head on his nose and break it.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 08, 2016, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 08, 2016, 07:05:52 PM
I was told today that on Skhye Jim McGuinness said something along the lines that it's all part of the game nowadays.
Lads waving ghost cards to the ref isn't helping the game either though.
Agree 100% on the imaginary card rubbish.
Not mad about players who after catching a fella around the neck whilst also tripping him, turning to the ref and making a diving signal
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
It was a interesting game because it was close and no one knew who would win until the final whistle but the game itself was not a good one and won't live in the memory for many neutrals. The basic skill levels between two was surprising low,too much niggle was going on off the ball and not enough football broke out. The importance of having a good long range place kicker was highlighted in this game. Tyrone will be left with a summer of what ifs with only scoring 12 points from 33 scoring chances. The relief on the Mayo players faces at the end told its own tale.
Since the last Tyrone v Mayo championship meeting in 2013 i think Tyrone have remained the same level while Mayo have fallen back however they should reach another All Ireland final like they did in 2013.
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
The reaction of some people on here to 'sledging' shows that all is fair game. There is an element of it in most teams but there are a few teams that seem to use it as an organised tactic. Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin a few years back. It's wrong. I know my own club has been involved in it but I don't agree with it. There has to be clear stance on it by the refs and rule makers. The one thing I think we have prided ourselves on over the years is the 'honesty' and 'manliness' of our games. I believe a lot of that has been eroded. Maybe we children of 80's and 90's football have rose tinted outlooks but there is an ever increasing sleaziness creeping into the game. I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix. It's there and it's not nice. I played in a win at all costs team but never relied on gutter sniping to win a game. I often answered someone but it was just on response to a verbal attack.
Hah!?
You told me you were winding up poor the Ballina midfielders all those years ago. :D
One thing having a quite word in a mans ear as he's lining up to catch it than running up to a boy a la McMahon in the above picture and screaming in his face. Like I said there was a bit of it but nothing 'pre-planned'. There seems to be an organisation to it at the minute.
Dont foul's numbers
33 attempts by Tyrone and 12 points :-[ :-[ :-[
The big worry is that in the Donegal game Tyrone had 33 attempts and ended up with 13 points. That makes the numbers look less like a once-off bad day at the office and more a systemic issue.
66 attempts and 25 points over 2 games against Division 1 opposition does not bode well for those who hold dear to the idea of Tyrone progressing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpWpHZkWEAADBiY.jpg:large)
QuoteWhen Pat Gilroy took over Dublin back in 2009/10 they had a serious issue slabbering, gloading, and fist pumping, First thing Gilroy done was come down hard on it and how it practically non-existent, so how come Mickey Harte is not capable of doing the same with his own players?
Continually an on going problem, just like Donegal, Harte in my opinion basically condones all the underhand sledging his team fortakes in by not moving to eradicate it, same i say of Gallagher and Jim Mcguinness before him, its pathetic to watch on tv sometimes.
We feel your pain and ire. You must be well used to hearing words like 'pathetic' following Derry. ;)
Indiana himself would have been proud of that comeback.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 08, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
It was a interesting game because it was close and no one knew who would win until the final whistle but the game itself was not a good one and won't live in the memory for many neutrals. The basic skill levels between two was surprising low,too much niggle was going on off the ball and not enough football broke out. The importance of having a good long range place kicker was highlighted in this game. Tyrone will be left with a summer of what ifs with only scoring 12 points from 33 scoring chances. The relief on the Mayo players faces at the end told its own tale.
Since the last Tyrone v Mayo championship meeting in 2013 i think Tyrone have remained the same level while Mayo have fallen back however they should reach another All Ireland final like they did in 2013.
I think Tyrone are a lot better and I think Mayo are better than 2013. Cillian was playing with one hand in 2013. We did not have Parsons! Andy was in recovery from his Cruciate ligament. We did not have DOC. With Parsons releasing O' Shea. We are stronger up front than in 2013!
What's the story with DOC injury-wise?
Worth risking the next day?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 09:43:24 PM
What's the story with DOC injury-wise?
Worth risking the next day?
Dead leg we were told after the Kildare game. I could see himself and Parsons rested v Tipp again!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2016, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 09:43:24 PM
What's the story with DOC injury-wise?
Worth risking the next day?
Dead leg we were told after the Kildare game. I could see himself and Parsons rested v Tipp again!
Have to risk not playing Diarmuid if hes not 100% id agree with that, some were saying he wsnt going to start the last day and it was more than a whisper but obviously they went with him in the end .
I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2016, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 08, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
It was a interesting game because it was close and no one knew who would win until the final whistle but the game itself was not a good one and won't live in the memory for many neutrals. The basic skill levels between two was surprising low,too much niggle was going on off the ball and not enough football broke out. The importance of having a good long range place kicker was highlighted in this game. Tyrone will be left with a summer of what ifs with only scoring 12 points from 33 scoring chances. The relief on the Mayo players faces at the end told its own tale.
Since the last Tyrone v Mayo championship meeting in 2013 i think Tyrone have remained the same level while Mayo have fallen back however they should reach another All Ireland final like they did in 2013.
I think Tyrone are a lot better and I think Mayo are better than 2013. Cillian was playing with one hand in 2013. We did not have Parsons! Andy was in recovery from his Cruciate ligament. We did not have DOC. With Parsons releasing O' Shea. We are stronger up front than in 2013!
I don't see the improvement in Tyrone from 2013. As for Mayo their form,quality and confidence of their football in 2013 was on a different level to what it is now. Boyle,Higgins,Dillion etc were younger then and you had Cunniffe,Cafferkey. Alan Freeman was having his best season in a Mayo senior jersey only to be oddly dropped for the final. Mayo always have plenty of midfield options. With Parsons Mayo have not reached any All Ireland final while the two recent finals was reached without him. Stronger up front than in 2013 is that based on games against Kildare,Westmeath?
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 08, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2016, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 08, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
It was a interesting game because it was close and no one knew who would win until the final whistle but the game itself was not a good one and won't live in the memory for many neutrals. The basic skill levels between two was surprising low,too much niggle was going on off the ball and not enough football broke out. The importance of having a good long range place kicker was highlighted in this game. Tyrone will be left with a summer of what ifs with only scoring 12 points from 33 scoring chances. The relief on the Mayo players faces at the end told its own tale.
Since the last Tyrone v Mayo championship meeting in 2013 i think Tyrone have remained the same level while Mayo have fallen back however they should reach another All Ireland final like they did in 2013.
I think Tyrone are a lot better and I think Mayo are better than 2013. Cillian was playing with one hand in 2013. We did not have Parsons! Andy was in recovery from his Cruciate ligament. We did not have DOC. With Parsons releasing O' Shea. We are stronger up front than in 2013!
I don't see the improvement in Tyrone from 2013. As for Mayo their form,quality and confidence of their football in 2013 was on a different level to what it is now. Boyle,Higgins,Dillion etc were younger then and you had Cunniffe,Cafferkey. Alan Freeman was having his best season in a Mayo senior jersey only to be oddly dropped for the final. Mayo always have plenty of midfield options. With Parsons Mayo have not reached any All Ireland final while the two recent finals was reached without him. Stronger up front than in 2013 is that based on games against Kildare,Westmeath?
No, our forward line in 2013 was Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis), Alan Dillon (Ballintubber);
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber), Alan Freeman (Aghamore),
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen). Our present only two starters - Cillian had only one shoulder in that final. Andy was coming back from cruachiate injury.
Despite the usual cliches and sterotypical commentary on us, our issues are at the other end the field.
We have lost Caff and Turbo Tom from the fullback line this year. If you told me that we would also voluntarily play Keith up the field, not select Kevin Keane and start Alan Dillon instead, I would have suggested you leave yourself out of the next round. If then you told me we would play Kevin McLoughlin in front of the now non-existent fullback, I'd have called your wife and asked her to pick you up.
And yet here we are.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2016, 04:04:09 PM
What i am saying is years ago mouthing lead to the violence, stricter penalties on striking as seen this reduced but not the lead cause of men leading to strike, in most cases mouthing.
So does pulling jersey off the ball, kicking heels, shouldering into lads after they've given a foul away. How many times was Aidan O'Shea slapping away at a lad on the ground after a free had been given on Saturday? There are many ways to provoke a player, the hierarchy of gamesmanship is a bit weird.
There were lads on here going into hysteria over Neil McGee bending a fella's finger back a few months back when there were far worse acts happening every other week on the field.
I would rather have some lad roaring in my face than giving me sly digs in the ribs, clipping my heels or trodding on my toes off the ball. It is relatively harmless if it's just pretty banal insults and trash talk, if it something more sinister then its out of order.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
The reaction of some people on here to 'sledging' shows that all is fair game. There is an element of it in most teams but there are a few teams that seem to use it as an organised tactic. Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin a few years back. It's wrong. I know my own club has been involved in it but I don't agree with it. There has to be clear stance on it by the refs and rule makers. The one thing I think we have prided ourselves on over the years is the 'honesty' and 'manliness' of our games. I believe a lot of that has been eroded. Maybe we children of 80's and 90's football have rose tinted outlooks but there is an ever increasing sleaziness creeping into the game. I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix. It's there and it's not nice. I played in a win at all costs team but never relied on gutter sniping to win a game. I often answered someone but it was just on response to a verbal attack.
What was honest or manly about the likes of Colm O'Rourke sucker punching lads in the head?
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix.
Anyone who would believe that your criticism of sledging is nonsense is either only showing their own lack of class and manilness in the game or defending trampish behaviour by one or more of their own county players. As I have stated before, this type of behaviour is now endemic in Tyrone football, just watch any of their school or underage teams to see how it is already drilled into players at this stage and accepted by the coaches.
Referees have suddenly shown that they can deal with time wasting by adding 6 or 8 minutes to the end of a match. If the same resolve was taken with a few black cards, based on information from linesmen or umpires, for such disgusting behaviour a similar result would be achieved. A video referee or review of games for this behaviour would be another way to halt it. Unfortunately, there is no will to tackle it.
Lookit Mayo are not good as 2013 they are closer to 2011 than 2013 but this time its Tipp instead of Kerry in All Ireland semi final.
Kevin McLoughlin started out as a defender at least his current role in defence shouldn't be foreign to him. Playing without a full back was the right call for Rochford as Tyrone don't play with a traditional full forward and Sean Cavanagh was completely man marked out of the game by Keegan as Connolly was in the semi finals last year.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
It's not down to understanding, it is a continued defence of trampish behaviour that is both organised and accepted as part of the team tactic, e.g. Justin McMahon on Michael Murphy in Ballybofey was one of the most disgusting examples of a plan organised by members of the team management and a player willing to implement.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 08, 2016, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix.
Anyone who would believe that your criticism of sledging is nonsense is either only showing their own lack of class and manilness in the game or defending trampish behaviour by one or more of their own county players. As I have stated before, this type of behaviour is now endemic in Tyrone football, just watch any of their school or underage teams to see how it is already drilled into players at this stage and accepted by the coaches.
Referees have suddenly shown that they can deal with time wasting by adding 6 or 8 minutes to the end of a match. If the same resolve was taken with a few black cards, based on information from linesmen or umpires, for such disgusting behaviour a similar result would be achieved. A video referee or review of games for this behaviour would be another way to halt it. Unfortunately, there is no will to tackle it.
I've played many schools games during the 1990s from Dalton Cup through to McRory Cup and believe me when I tell you that sledging or mouthing as we called it was alive and well back then. (One of the main perpetrators in my time being a certain manager of a current inter county team who was fond of spitting). This was every team in the competition at nearly all levels, including the many friendly games we played against schools from the south. (A favourite sledge being our Britishness which was a constant across all teams we played) It was also part and parcel of club games. During the 1990s our club played many underage challenge v Crossmaglen, some cut up a bit rough and there was plenty of sledging from both teams if I remember correctly. It's ridiculous to say that sledging is new and wring our hands saying it didn't happen in our day. Are we forgetting what it's like in the heat of the battle......the players don't give a shite about the sledging, I never did and players often laugh about it afterwards. On a few occasions I got a box on the head from behind. I found that much more annoying.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 08, 2016, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
It's not down to understanding, it is a continued defence of trampish behaviour that is both organised and accepted as part of the team tactic, e.g. Justin McMahon on Michael Murphy in Ballybofey was one of the most disgusting examples of a plan organised by members of the team management and a player willing to implement.
Sucker punching an opponent is the definition of trampish behaviour.
Who did Colm O'Rourke sucker punch?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 12:30:34 AM
Who did Colm O'Rourke sucker punch?
"If a back was giving me a lot of hassle and there was nothing being done about it I often let him go out in front for the ball and, just at the right moment, I'd give him an unmerciful box behind the ear."
Colm O'Rourke.
" ... in a League play-off against Down in '93 I gave DJ Kane a box in the mouth which drew some blood and he wondered out loud for the rest of the match whether the incident would be on television that night or in the Sunday Tribune the following Sunday. "
Colm O'Rourke
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Funny thing about the Brolly meltdown is that the tackle made by Cavanagh on McManus was one that many, many players would have done. For me the time he grabbed Darren Hughes Arm and pulled him to the ground only for Hughes to get booked was far worse in my opinion as it is something you have to practice to perfect.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 09, 2016, 12:46:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Funny thing about the Brolly meltdown is that the tackle made by Cavanagh on McManus was one that many, many players would have done. For me the time he grabbed Darren Hughes Arm and pulled him to the ground only for Hughes to get booked was far worse in my opinion as it is something you have to practice to perfect.
I agree and Cavanagh is a big culprit in holding the arm in when being tackled. However a lot of the time I think it's to do with bringing a foul to the attention of the ref. For instance on Saturday where he got the free given against him for it, he was definitely fouled by Keegan moments before so decided when the hand went in next time he would get his free.
I like Tyrone but for the minority of twats on here - I am so glad to see them out, you boys do you county a disservice, get back to the soccer threads sure real football begins this Saturday!!!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 07:43:23 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 09, 2016, 12:46:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2016, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Funny thing about the Brolly meltdown is that the tackle made by Cavanagh on McManus was one that many, many players would have done. For me the time he grabbed Darren Hughes Arm and pulled him to the ground only for Hughes to get booked was far worse in my opinion as it is something you have to practice to perfect.
I agree and Cavanagh is a big culprit in holding the arm in when being tackled. However a lot of the time I think it's to do with bringing a foul to the attention of the ref. For instance on Saturday where he got the free given against him for it, he was definitely fouled by Keegan moments before so decided when the hand went in next time he would get his free.
Are you actually serious? Cavanagh is at that all he time and I was glad to see the ref give the free against him for it on Saturday
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Funny thing about the Brolly meltdown is that the tackle made by Cavanagh on McManus was one that many, many players would have done. For me the time he grabbed Darren Hughes Arm and pulled him to the ground only for Hughes to get booked was far worse in my opinion as it is something you have to practice to perfect.
I agree and Cavanagh is a big culprit in holding the arm in when being tackled. However a lot of the time I think it's to do with bringing a foul to the attention of the ref. For instance on Saturday where he got the free given against him for it, he was definitely fouled by Keegan moments before so decided when the hand went in next time he would get his free.
Are you actually serious? Cavanagh is at that all he time and I was glad to see the ref give the free against him for it on Saturday
Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball. He should have had a free before he locked Keegan's arm in on Saturday.
Big Joe was only yawning in that picture.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 08:21:10 AM
Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball.
You are right and we are all wrong, we had forgotten that the players should have parted to allow Cavanagh to carry on unimpeded. How dare anyone attempt to tackle or hinder him.
Catch yourself on, Cavanagh was driving through and he always had two options, break the tackles and score/hand off for a score or get a free and score (see Aidan O'Shea). He opted as he has frequently done when unable to break the tackle and tried to fool the officials by pulling the tackler down on top of himself. Lucky not to get his marching orders at this stage for this offence.
Cavanagh was frustrated on Saturday by his own inability to master his marker and get into the game, fair play to Keegan, he did his job and better, he outscored Cavanagh. It's sad for Cavanagh but that's how sport goes, you get older and your powers wane, what was possible before becomes much more difficult now and also they change the rules to get you.
O'Rourke could get away with his punches in the days when the game was savage and often brutal, when being sent off was no bother, it was a badge of honour, and officials turned a blind eye, no media interference to worry about. It was a world away from today's sanitised game where goading specific opposition players to their breaking point is planned and orchestrated as a team tactic.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-just-a-horrible-horrible-feeling-sean-cavanagh-demands-protection-from-officials-34949971.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-just-a-horrible-horrible-feeling-sean-cavanagh-demands-protection-from-officials-34949971.html)
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-refereesboss-accepts-provocation-is-a-big-issue-414871.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-refereesboss-accepts-provocation-is-a-big-issue-414871.html)
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 08:21:10 AM
Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball.
You are right and we are all wrong, we had forgotten that the players should have parted to allow Cavanagh to carry on unimpeded. How dare anyone attempt to tackle or hinder him.
Catch yourself on, Cavanagh was driving through and he always had two options, break the tackles and score/hand off for a score or get a free and score (see Aidan O'Shea). He opted as he has frequently done when unable to break the tackle and tried to fool the officials by pulling the tackler down on top of himself. Lucky not to get his marching orders at this stage for this offence.
Cavanagh was frustrated on Saturday by his own inability to master his marker and get into the game, fair play to Keegan, he did his job and better, he outscored Cavanagh. It's sad for Cavanagh but that's how sport goes, you get older and your powers wane, what was possible before becomes much more difficult now and also they change the rules to get you.
O'Rourke could get away with his punches in the days when the game was savage and often brutal, when being sent off was no bother, it was a badge of honour, and officials turned a blind eye, no media interference to worry about. It was a world away from today's sanitised game where goading specific opposition players to their breaking point is planned and orchestrated as a team tactic.
Wow, that sort of hypocrisy is quite unbelievable.
O'Rourke could get away with punches when he was deliberately breaking the rules and attempting to injure or debilitate the opposition, that is far, far more serious than shouting in a guy's face. It's much more trampish and cowardly than goading the opposition and I think it tells the type of guy you are when you can accept that and not another.
Cavanagh was fouled a couple of times in the build up to pulling the arm in, he doesn't get much protection from referees, if anyone saw Peter Crowley hanging out of him last year then they know what he has to put up with on a regular basis. As usual, the media like to pick out Sean Cavanagh for specific treatment, I didn't see the same uproar when Gavin moaned about Connolly being targetted or Rory Gallagher moaned about Michael Murphy being targetted or Fitzmaurice with Kieran Donaghy or Connelly last year on Aidan O'Shea.
The different that Tyrone are viewed in similar instances to other sides continues and there are none so blind as those who bury their heads and deny it happens.
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Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball.
You are right and we are all wrong, we had forgotten that the players should have parted to allow Cavanagh to carry on unimpeded. How dare anyone attempt to tackle or hinder him.
Catch yourself on, Cavanagh was driving through and he always had two options, break the tackles and score/hand off for a score or get a free and score (see Aidan O'Shea). He opted as he has frequently done when unable to break the tackle and tried to fool the officials by pulling the tackler down on top of himself. Lucky not to get his marching orders at this stage for this offence.
Cavanagh was frustrated on Saturday by his own inability to master his marker and get into the game, fair play to Keegan, he did his job and better, he outscored Cavanagh. It's sad for Cavanagh but that's how sport goes, you get older and your powers wane, what was possible before becomes much more difficult now and also they change the rules to get you.
O'Rourke could get away with his punches in the days when the game was savage and often brutal, when being sent off was no bother, it was a badge of honour, and officials turned a blind eye, no media interference to worry about. It was a world away from today's sanitised game where goading specific opposition players to their breaking point is planned and orchestrated as a team tactic.
Who actually instigated the half time wrestling match? I wasnt at the match, but heard from someone there, that it was actually Sean Cavanagh that shouldered into Keegan to start the messing at half time. Did anyone else see what actually happened?
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/08/06/mayo-manager-worried-that-donegal-players-will-target-aidan-oshea/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/eamonn-fitzmaurice-there-was-basically-rape-and-pillage-going-on-394851.html
http://www.98fm.com/reader/523.686/24508/0/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/rory-gallagher-says-michael-murphy-targeted-331221.html
Quote from: WT4E on August 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 08, 2016, 11:44:28 PM
Lookit Mayo are not good as 2013 they are closer to 2011 than 2013 but this time its Tipp instead of Kerry in All Ireland semi final.
Kevin McLoughlin started out as a defender at least his current role in defence shouldn't be foreign to him. Playing without a full back was the right call for Rochford as Tyrone don't play with a traditional full forward and Sean Cavanagh was completely man marked out of the game by Keegan as Connolly was in the semi finals last year.
I don't think anyone really knows how good or bad Mayo really are, and that's the intriguing thing. Management seem capable of doing anything. Conor Loftus might appear the next day and score 1-5 and not be seen again this year. So anyone throwing out opinions that they are better or worse than other years might as well be roaring into a field of thistles for all the sense they make.
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Quote from: WT4E on August 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-just-a-horrible-horrible-feeling-sean-cavanagh-demands-protection-from-officials-34949971.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-just-a-horrible-horrible-feeling-sean-cavanagh-demands-protection-from-officials-34949971.html)
The cheek of this lad. There was a similar article in the back of the Irish News yesterday and I have to admit, I was 'numb' after reading it.. Harte was saying that (Saint) Sean would never go after cards; he f*%kin pioneered a card with his antics..
Sorry Sean, I couldn't give a f&%k to be honest..
Just read Seán's comments there.
There isn't a violin tiny enough in the world...
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I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
There was an incident before that in the first half where keegan was grappling with cavanagh and actually had him by the leg and had it lifted up waist height. This happen right in front of the linesman, but again the referee went ove rand warned both players, instead of dealing with keegan.
Like i said, I dont deny Tyrone were at the same sort of stuff with O'se, but lets not try and pretend it doesnt go on with all teams, and especially in this game from keegan.
ull keegan down on top of him' Keegan had cavangh pFrom what i seen of the one at HT cavanagh didnt pinned to the floor by the neck.
Spare me the "poor Sean Cavanagh" routine. He's been dishing it out for years and now he can't take it. He was giving as good as he got to Keegan so it's a bit rich to claim the was victimized in some way. You got roasted Sean. Take your medicine.
Donegal and Tyrone fans who take the position that 'everyone is at it' fail to realise that THEY are the common denominator.
Other teams are at it when they play YOU because they know the level of jig-acting they're going to face.
We will see little or nothing of this sort of behaviour in the semi-finals.
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Did neutrals think it was a good game or just more boring cat and mouse stuff?
It was a interesting game because it was close and no one knew who would win until the final whistle but the game itself was not a good one and won't live in the memory for many neutrals. The basic skill levels between two was surprising low,too much niggle was going on off the ball and not enough football broke out. The importance of having a good long range place kicker was highlighted in this game. Tyrone will be left with a summer of what ifs with only scoring 12 points from 33 scoring chances. The relief on the Mayo players faces at the end told its own tale.
Since the last Tyrone v Mayo championship meeting in 2013 i think Tyrone have remained the same level while Mayo have fallen back however they should reach another All Ireland final like they did in 2013.
I think Tyrone are a lot better and I think Mayo are better than 2013. Cillian was playing with one hand in 2013. We did not have Parsons! Andy was in recovery from his Cruciate ligament. We did not have DOC. With Parsons releasing O' Shea. We are stronger up front than in 2013!
As a team Mayo are way off where they were in 2013, very surprised you think otherwise. The 2013 team would have that game by 4/5 points.
This equating of punching versus the in your face bullshit misses a fairly important point. If you punch someone, you are going to get the line 9 times out of 10. If you act the bollox and insult every seed and breed of your opponent, and roar and shout in his face, you will likely get no sanction and in fact if the lad reacts as most people would, he'll be the one who gets in trouble.
That, more than anything, is why I hate it. I don't know how Aidan O'Shea, in particular, didn't absolutely poleaxe that full back.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 10:27:21 AM
Donegal and Tyrone fans who take the position that 'everyone is at it' fail to realise that THEY are the common denominator.
Other teams are at it when they play YOU because they know the level of jig-acting they're going to face.
We will see little or nothing of this sort of behaviour in the semi-finals.
;D ;D ;D ;D
such nonsense
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
This equating of punching versus the in your face bullshit misses a fairly important point. If you punch someone, you are going to get the line 9 times out of 10. If you act the bollox and insult every seed and breed of your opponent, and roar and shout in his face, you will likely get no sanction and in fact if the lad reacts as most people would, he'll be the one who gets in trouble.
That, more than anything, is why I hate it. I don't know how Aidan O'Shea, in particular, didn't absolutely poleaxe that full back.
Because he would have been sent off and banned. Then we'd have all the experts telling him how he needs to learn to live with it, and to be a top player he has to get over it.
In the ironic, hypocritical world of GAA officiating, Cavanaghs and Hartes antics in the press since will pretty much guarantee lee Keegan some treatment from the officials over the next game, or two, if they get that far.
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Quote from: WT4E on August 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
There was an incident before that in the first half where keegan was grappling with cavanagh and actually had him by the leg and had it lifted up waist height. This happen right in front of the linesman, but again the referee went ove rand warned both players, instead of dealing with keegan.
Like i said, I dont deny Tyrone were at the same sort of stuff with O'se, but lets not try and pretend it doesnt go on with all teams, and especially in this game from keegan.
ull keegan down on top of him' Keegan had cavangh pFrom what i seen of the one at HT cavanagh didnt pinned to the floor by the neck.
Correct, there was an incident before half time where Keegan had his leg in front of linesman. But are you trying to say he just randomly caught a hold of Cavanaghs leg? No he bloody well didn't. Again it was Cavanagh who couldn't handle the fact that Keegan was never more then an inch away and tried to side him out of the way but Keegan was having none of it.
Same after ht .... as others have highlighted, Cavanagh shouldered Keegan in the back - unprovoked.
So could someone actually pick out something illegal that Keegan instigated .... Or else just tell precious Sean and Saint Mickey to shut up and take their medicine
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 10:27:21 AM
Donegal and Tyrone fans who take the position that 'everyone is at it' fail to realise that THEY are the common denominator.
Other teams are at it when they play YOU because they know the level of jig-acting they're going to face.
We will see little or nothing of this sort of behaviour in the semi-finals.
The most posionous game last year was Dublin and Mayo. Free staters have a hypocrisy complex, all you have to do is look at how they view the 1916 rising in comparison to the troubles. They never want a fair fight, they are like Commodus in Gladiator, they want to fight a wounded opponent with all the advantages tipped in their favour and the biased media coverage they show against Ulster teams is as evident as the day is long.
Lee Keegan has been a common denominator in flash points in the past two years with Damien Comer, Diarmuid Connolly and Sean Cavanagh.
Indeed it is time St Seànie and St Micky shut up when the karma catches up on them.
St Micky be better off addressing why his team kicked so many silly wides.
That Bomber buck had gone very quiet I notice :)
P s I see he's back at "Free Stater" nonsense now.
A thick bad loser. >:(
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 10:27:21 AM
Donegal and Tyrone fans who take the position that 'everyone is at it' fail to realise that THEY are the common denominator.
Other teams are at it when they play YOU because they know the level of jig-acting they're going to face.
We will see little or nothing of this sort of behaviour in the semi-finals.
The most posionous game last year was Dublin and Mayo. Free staters have a hypocrisy complex, all you have to do is look at how they view the 1916 rising in comparison to the troubles. They never want a fair fight, they are like Commodus in Gladiator, they want to fight a wounded opponent with all the advantages tipped in their favour and the biased media coverage they show against Ulster teams is as evident as the day is long.
Lee Keegan has been a common denominator in flash points in the past two years with Damien Comer, Diarmuid Connolly and Sean Cavanagh.
He has been because hes an annoying, athletic, tight man marker who wont go away and would annoy the f**k outta ya. Connolly and Cavanagh have a list of incidents as long as yer arm without Lee Keegan even being on the same pitch, and they don't like it when he just doesn't f**k off and leave them at it
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I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
There was an incident before that in the first half where keegan was grappling with cavanagh and actually had him by the leg and had it lifted up waist height. This happen right in front of the linesman, but again the referee went ove rand warned both players, instead of dealing with keegan.
Like i said, I dont deny Tyrone were at the same sort of stuff with O'se, but lets not try and pretend it doesnt go on with all teams, and especially in this game from keegan.
ull keegan down on top of him' Keegan had cavangh pFrom what i seen of the one at HT cavanagh didnt pinned to the floor by the neck.
Correct, there was an incident before half time where Keegan had his leg in front of linesman. But are you trying to say he just randomly caught a hold of Cavanaghs leg? No he bloody well didn't. Again it was Cavanagh who couldn't handle the fact that Keegan was never more then an inch away and tried to side him out of the way but Keegan was having none of it.
Same after ht .... as others have highlighted, Cavanagh shouldered Keegan in the back - unprovoked.
So could someone actually pick out something illegal that Keegan instigated .... Or else just tell precious Sean and Saint Mickey to shut up and take their medicine
Sorry this makes no sense to me.
so who did grab his leg then?
I would much prefer harte and cavanagh said nothing and ' took thier medicine' as you put it.
But my point is, Tyrone are again getting criticised for off the ball stuff, that Mayo where just as guilty of.
O'shea got plenty of abuse, but he also came in late with a few sly digs and got involved in several things off the ball. (im thinking of incidents with Sludden, mcshane & mcnabb) Keegan likewise with cavanagh.
All i am saying is, either accept that this is now part of the game, or criticise all who take part in it.
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I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
There was an incident before that in the first half where keegan was grappling with cavanagh and actually had him by the leg and had it lifted up waist height. This happen right in front of the linesman, but again the referee went ove rand warned both players, instead of dealing with keegan.
Like i said, I dont deny Tyrone were at the same sort of stuff with O'se, but lets not try and pretend it doesnt go on with all teams, and especially in this game from keegan.
ull keegan down on top of him' Keegan had cavangh pFrom what i seen of the one at HT cavanagh didnt pinned to the floor by the neck.
Correct, there was an incident before half time where Keegan had his leg in front of linesman. But are you trying to say he just randomly caught a hold of Cavanaghs leg? No he bloody well didn't. Again it was Cavanagh who couldn't handle the fact that Keegan was never more then an inch away and tried to side him out of the way but Keegan was having none of it.
Same after ht .... as others have highlighted, Cavanagh shouldered Keegan in the back - unprovoked.
So could someone actually pick out something illegal that Keegan instigated .... Or else just tell precious Sean and Saint Mickey to shut up and take their medicine
Lads don't be making stuff up to suit your narrative. In the first half Keegan went at Cavanagh out on the sideline no more than 10 yards from the linesman. He was spoken too and was very lucky to avoid a booking for it.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 09, 2016, 09:24:23 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
I was listening to newstalk off the ball this evening - they where really pushing the Tyrone and the dark arts theme again - was it that bad? Thought it was a strange angle on an intriguing game.
Its just the standard now at this stage.
Tyrone certainly did get in the face of Aidan o'se, and if they want to criticise that, i have no problem with that, but i dont know how you can single Tyrone out for the 'dark arts' when Lee Keegan spent the whole game trying to get Cavanagh the line.
Personally i dont like it, from either Tyrone or anyone else, but there are alot of pundits out there who need to either accept it as part of the game, or else or call all teams and players out for it, not just Tyrone & Donegal.
Bullshit. I was at the match. Coming out for the second half, Cavanagh shouldered into the back of Keegan as he had his back turned. Keegan reacted and grabbed his shirt, Cavanagh pulled him down on top of him and Keegan kept a hold on him. The opposite was what was going on, Cavanagh wanted Keegan sent off as he had him tucked in his back pocket and it was the only card, excuse the pun, Cavanagh had left to play. Gough gave him a chance from another tackle before he finally got his second yellow. The second yellow was probably unlucky as I think he was trying to hit the ball, but you put yourself in that situation, that's what happens.
"keegan" instigated it, is the same tired owl shite that the Dubs come out with every time Diarmuid Connolly loses the head with how annoying Keegan can be as a man marker who just wont go away. Some of these boys can give it, but they just cant take it.
There was an incident before that in the first half where keegan was grappling with cavanagh and actually had him by the leg and had it lifted up waist height. This happen right in front of the linesman, but again the referee went ove rand warned both players, instead of dealing with keegan.
Like i said, I dont deny Tyrone were at the same sort of stuff with O'se, but lets not try and pretend it doesnt go on with all teams, and especially in this game from keegan.
ull keegan down on top of him' Keegan had cavangh pFrom what i seen of the one at HT cavanagh didnt pinned to the floor by the neck.
Correct, there was an incident before half time where Keegan had his leg in front of linesman. But are you trying to say he just randomly caught a hold of Cavanaghs leg? No he bloody well didn't. Again it was Cavanagh who couldn't handle the fact that Keegan was never more then an inch away and tried to side him out of the way but Keegan was having none of it.
Same after ht .... as others have highlighted, Cavanagh shouldered Keegan in the back - unprovoked.
So could someone actually pick out something illegal that Keegan instigated .... Or else just tell precious Sean and Saint Mickey to shut up and take their medicine
Well that's a lie. Bit rich to lecture about not making things up when that is what you're doing.
Go back and read his post again Bomber.
You've lost the run of yourself
I always had great time for Sean Kavanagh as a footballer despite all his sneaky antics over the years. He has the all stars and All Ireland's to back it up but the facts of the matter are Lee Keegan absolutely cleaned him out the last day.
Whether Keegan could have done this during Kavanaghs hay day I seriously doubt but unfortunately for Sean his best days are well behind him.
The whinging from him in the Irish Independent article is a bit embarrassing. In fairness to Mickey when he made his comments it was straight after the game and he probably didn't have time to compose himself but Kavanagh has had a couple of days to settle and he come's out with this shite.
I get the impression that after watching Mayo v Westmeath, Sean reckoned he was going to have a field day against Mayo as he dragged Kevin Keane around the field picking up handing frees as he hit the deck with the slightest touch but unfortunately for him the wrong Westport man picked him up. That's when plan B came into operation. Advice at half time seems to have been take a yellow with Keegan and he'll have to watch hi,self. Not a bad plan lads and has worked wonders for Sean in the past but unfortunately he was dealing with a different animal on Saturday and the plan totally backfired when Kavanagh couldn't resist the temptation of taking O'Shea out of it.
If anyone should feel hard done by here its Keegan. He gets on with the job in hand playing to the limit without mouthing or slobbering but has now finding himself a target of opposing teams as a result of whinging managers and lazy journalists.
What was Keegan meant to do on Saturday. Stand back and admire this once great player in the twilight of his career or mark him like every other defender is expected to do.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 09, 2016, 11:44:17 AM
I always had great time for Sean Kavanagh as a footballer despite all his sneaky antics over the years. He has the all stars and All Ireland's to back it up but the facts of the matter are Lee Keegan absolutely cleaned him out the last day.
Whether Keegan could have done this during Kavanaghs hay day I seriously doubt but unfortunately for Sean his best days are well behind him.
The whinging from him in the Irish Independent article is a bit embarrassing. In fairness to Mickey when he made his comments it was straight after the game and he probably didn't have time to compose himself but Kavanagh has had a couple of days to settle and he come's out with this shite.
I get the impression that after watching Mayo v Westmeath, Sean reckoned he was going to have a field day against Mayo as he dragged Kevin Keane around the field picking up handing frees as he hit the deck with the slightest touch but unfortunately for him the wrong Westport man picked him up. That's when plan B came into operation. Advice at half time seems to have been take a yellow with Keegan and he'll have to watch hi,self. Not a bad plan lads and has worked wonders for Sean in the past but unfortunately he was dealing with a different animal on Saturday and the plan totally backfired when Kavanagh couldn't resist the temptation of taking O'Shea out of it.
If anyone should feel hard done by here its Keegan. He gets on with the job in hand playing to the limit without mouthing or slobbering but has now finding himself a target of opposing teams as a result of whinging managers and lazy journalists.
What was Keegan meant to do on Saturday. Stand back and admire this once great player in the twilight of his career or mark him like every other defender is expected to do.
Give me strength ::)
Keegan had a fantastic game on saturday, and fair play to him for it.
Many before him have tried and failed to curtail Cavanagh.
But lets not pretend that he didnt play the game right on the edge and maybe over it (as he tends to do)
That I have no problem with, It just galls me when tyrone players are then called out for the exact same thing.( see justy mcmahons performance v Michael Murphy last year)
Quote from: criostlinn on August 09, 2016, 11:44:17 AM
I always had great time for Sean Kavanagh as a footballer despite all his sneaky antics over the years. He has the all stars and All Ireland's to back it up but the facts of the matter are Lee Keegan absolutely cleaned him out the last day.
Whether Keegan could have done this during Kavanaghs hay day I seriously doubt but unfortunately for Sean his best days are well behind him.
The whinging from him in the Irish Independent article is a bit embarrassing. In fairness to Mickey when he made his comments it was straight after the game and he probably didn't have time to compose himself but Kavanagh has had a couple of days to settle and he come's out with this shite.
I get the impression that after watching Mayo v Westmeath, Sean reckoned he was going to have a field day against Mayo as he dragged Kevin Keane around the field picking up handing frees as he hit the deck with the slightest touch but unfortunately for him the wrong Westport man picked him up. That's when plan B came into operation. Advice at half time seems to have been take a yellow with Keegan and he'll have to watch hi,self. Not a bad plan lads and has worked wonders for Sean in the past but unfortunately he was dealing with a different animal on Saturday and the plan totally backfired when Kavanagh couldn't resist the temptation of taking O'Shea out of it.
If anyone should feel hard done by here its Keegan. He gets on with the job in hand playing to the limit without mouthing or slobbering but has now finding himself a target of opposing teams as a result of whinging managers and lazy journalists.
What was Keegan meant to do on Saturday. Stand back and admire this once great player in the twilight of his career or mark him like every other defender is expected to do.
Last year he checked Connolly's run off the ball three or four times, he then dragged him to the ground in a headlock and got Connolly to react and get sent off. He picked up a second yellow against Galway last year when he was up to his old tricks with Damien Comer and he was at them with Cavanagh on Saturday. He is skilled and well versed in the dark arts but you seem to have the blinkers on in admitting this.
I think Cavanagh should just take it on the chin and get on with it but I'm sure had it been O'Shea who was sent off your viewpoint would have been a lot different.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 09, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 09, 2016, 11:44:17 AM
I always had great time for Sean Kavanagh as a footballer despite all his sneaky antics over the years. He has the all stars and All Ireland's to back it up but the facts of the matter are Lee Keegan absolutely cleaned him out the last day.
Whether Keegan could have done this during Kavanaghs hay day I seriously doubt but unfortunately for Sean his best days are well behind him.
The whinging from him in the Irish Independent article is a bit embarrassing. In fairness to Mickey when he made his comments it was straight after the game and he probably didn't have time to compose himself but Kavanagh has had a couple of days to settle and he come's out with this shite.
I get the impression that after watching Mayo v Westmeath, Sean reckoned he was going to have a field day against Mayo as he dragged Kevin Keane around the field picking up handing frees as he hit the deck with the slightest touch but unfortunately for him the wrong Westport man picked him up. That's when plan B came into operation. Advice at half time seems to have been take a yellow with Keegan and he'll have to watch hi,self. Not a bad plan lads and has worked wonders for Sean in the past but unfortunately he was dealing with a different animal on Saturday and the plan totally backfired when Kavanagh couldn't resist the temptation of taking O'Shea out of it.
If anyone should feel hard done by here its Keegan. He gets on with the job in hand playing to the limit without mouthing or slobbering but has now finding himself a target of opposing teams as a result of whinging managers and lazy journalists.
What was Keegan meant to do on Saturday. Stand back and admire this once great player in the twilight of his career or mark him like every other defender is expected to do.
Give me strength ::)
Keegan had a fantastic game on saturday, and fair play to him for it.
Many before him have tried and failed to curtail Cavanagh.
But lets not pretend that he didnt play the game right on the edge and maybe over it (as he tends to do)
That I have no problem with, It just galls me when tyrone players are then called out for the exact same thing.( see justy mcmahons performance v Michael Murphy last year)
Well then it seems you fully agree with me so.
Only difference is McMahon was called out by the lazy journalist and a bunch of an anonymous internet warriors whereas as Keegan has been called out by the manager of the opposing team and the player he marked out of it.
Just out of interest, what is this dastardly deed Keegan is meant to have done to Kavanagh that has himself and Mickey up in arms
Sean Cavanagh is the type of lad to cry at his own birthday party in primary school because his Mam told him he had to let one of the other kids win the treasure hunt.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 09, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 09, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 09, 2016, 11:44:17 AM
I always had great time for Sean Kavanagh as a footballer despite all his sneaky antics over the years. He has the all stars and All Ireland's to back it up but the facts of the matter are Lee Keegan absolutely cleaned him out the last day.
Whether Keegan could have done this during Kavanaghs hay day I seriously doubt but unfortunately for Sean his best days are well behind him.
The whinging from him in the Irish Independent article is a bit embarrassing. In fairness to Mickey when he made his comments it was straight after the game and he probably didn't have time to compose himself but Kavanagh has had a couple of days to settle and he come's out with this shite.
I get the impression that after watching Mayo v Westmeath, Sean reckoned he was going to have a field day against Mayo as he dragged Kevin Keane around the field picking up handing frees as he hit the deck with the slightest touch but unfortunately for him the wrong Westport man picked him up. That's when plan B came into operation. Advice at half time seems to have been take a yellow with Keegan and he'll have to watch hi,self. Not a bad plan lads and has worked wonders for Sean in the past but unfortunately he was dealing with a different animal on Saturday and the plan totally backfired when Kavanagh couldn't resist the temptation of taking O'Shea out of it.
If anyone should feel hard done by here its Keegan. He gets on with the job in hand playing to the limit without mouthing or slobbering but has now finding himself a target of opposing teams as a result of whinging managers and lazy journalists.
What was Keegan meant to do on Saturday. Stand back and admire this once great player in the twilight of his career or mark him like every other defender is expected to do.
Give me strength ::)
Keegan had a fantastic game on saturday, and fair play to him for it.
Many before him have tried and failed to curtail Cavanagh.
But lets not pretend that he didnt play the game right on the edge and maybe over it (as he tends to do)
That I have no problem with, It just galls me when tyrone players are then called out for the exact same thing.( see justy mcmahons performance v Michael Murphy last year)
Well then it seems you fully agree with me so.
Only difference is McMahon was called out by the lazy journalist and a bunch of an anonymous internet warriors whereas as Keegan has been called out by the manager of the opposing team and the player he marked out of it.
Just out of interest, what is this dastardly deed Keegan is meant to have done to Kavanagh that has himself and Mickey up in arms
Whereas last year one of your managers was pre-empting Aidan O'Shea being targetted in the press before a match even began.
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
I have already said i would have preferred Harte and Cavanagh to say very little on the matter, it doesnt come across well at this stage.
Harte should have said that he felt the red card was very soft and he is disappointed with referee for the yellow card at half time and left it at that.
Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I think Sean gets very emotional at times when things go wrong and because he's such an open lad and speaks his mind he can come out with things that make him or the team look bad.
Over the years he's taken some serious abuse like the Cavan player back in 2003 but whether we like it or not it's part of the game to target certain players for "special treatment" and the rules are there to stop it but often the refs don't or end up booking both players.
Dublin were doing lots of stuff to Donegal on Saturday to stop players making runs etc as was Michael Murphy as well so this behaviour is rife and so it's NOT just black arts tactics with Tyrone and Donegal that some believe.
It's interesting that the chairman for the football review committee who has been pushing for the black card and removal of cynical play can come out and say stop whinging and get on with it. It's one thing admitting it goes on but for someone in his position to almost condemn it is ridiculous. He should be saying yes it goes on and maybe we need to look at how do we fairly punish the instigator in these incidents and not simply booking or sending off both players.
https://twitter.com/alanbrogan13/status/762554315282186240
In my own opinion I agree with blewuporstuffed, that Keegan did target Cavanagh on Sat and did a great job keeping him out of the game. Of course he bent the rules as much as he could get away with and he managed to stay on the pitch and kick two good scores near the end.
Sean needs to learn that it's better sometimes to say nothing as Tyrone often use the same tactics to mark a good player out of the game but I suppose Sean is hurting as he maybe saw this as his last year and a great chance to make it to an AI final with him being captain. You could see how emotional he was when walking off. He knew that the last 10 min of a game are vital and that he was annoyed with himself that Keegan had got the better of him and now rather than leading Tyrone to a final like Dooher and Canavan had done, he was suddenly a big reason why they had lost. I feel bad for him as he has been a huge servant to Tyrone and I'd say he really doesn't want to end his career sitting at the side of Croke Park crying that he was sent off. I think it will motivate him to give it one more year.
Oisìn McConville enjoying Tyrone's crying in yesterday's Examiner
His response was " Well boo - hoo"
The Indo article on big Sean (he's smaller now) is over egging it with the headline Sean Cavanagh demands protection from officials
Sean stated he merely brought some matters to the linesman/umpire's attention during the game, which is normal enough.
Appealing to the umpire? Isn't that a bit like conversing with a statue? What's the umpire going to say? "I feel your pain Sean"?
Mickey Harte's predictable post match whining comments were (yet again) a glaring embarrassing example of double standards, maybe such comments are currency in the land of the blind. Tyrone use to be manly.
When?
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
Just read Seán's comments there.
There isn't a violin tiny enough in the world...
Too right - slap it up him, a tr**p on the field.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:05:54 PM
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
Where would you start to list the Tyrone players that Keegan couldn't hold a candle to for this type of close treatment and worse to the opposition players?
Time to catch yourself on and admit that since 2003 Tyrone teams have particularly behaved in an embarrassing and unacceptable manner towards the opposition. We have all seen the continuing theme in all the changes in personnel over 13 years.
The crying of Tyrone players to the media about the big bad opposition players who have beaten them has a tradition running back to 1996 when they whinged on the Marian Finucane rte radio show after the All Ireland final semi at the hands of those rough Meath men.
Tyrone seem to forget the antics of McMenamin, Jordan, Gormley etc over the years. Now they're crying they're hard done by. What goes around, comes around.
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
You see that's what you get! You happily came on here last year and applauded the way the under 21's went about their work! You took great offence at being reprimanded for it. When the shoe is on the other foot. You go crying to mammy!
The reality for the last decade plus or so, is that Tyrone have been the market leaders in Sledging, bad gamesmanship, and cheating. All the rest are no angels. But have held back more than Tyrone. Tyrone have the name now and nothing can be done other than to change focus and in time they may be seen a 'nicer' crowd. But would this be worth it? Many of their victories have come from this and they could return to mediocrity.
As for the Game. Told you so! Tyrone this and Tyrone that. Uncle Peter telling Ireland they were the second best in Ireland! Feck sake they could just beat a declined Donegal team and were beaten by a running on empty Mayo outfit. The rubbish on here about under 21 titles, second Division titles and McKenna Cup. No to mention a very poor Ulster Championship. Where did all this hype come from?
As for Mayo. They as I expected had one more kick. They always do at this stage. They in turn struggled to beat a poor Westmeath and Average Tyrone. They will make the final. But it won't be as easy as everybody thinks! The final will be the usual last chance saloon story that Mayo have retold over the last 20+ years now. 13/14 was their chance. It's gone thanks to an amazing Dublin team and Cormac O'Reilly who handed us the game in Limerick. Sad really, as they are the best bunch of players that I've ever seen not to do it - way better than the Kildare 98-2000 vintage.
I was very surprised at how poor Tyrone's forwards were apart from Sludden, as for Mayo they got their tactics right to a certain degree but if McAliskey hadn't missed such an easy chance then i'm sure Rochford would have come in for some criticism. Mayo apart from the first few shots didn't miss much and deserve a lot of credit for their accuracy but I'd have thought they'd have had to play a lot better to beat Tyrone.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2016, 12:01:12 PM
Sean Cavanagh is the type of lad to cry at his own birthday party in primary school because his Mam told him he had to let one of the other kids win the treasure hunt.
What are you doing?
Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:05:54 PM
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
So enlighten us. What did Keegan do that has you Mickey and Sean so much up in arms
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
So enlighten us. What did Keegan do that has you Mickey and Sean so much up in arms
I'm not up in arms about what Keegan did.
I'm up in arms about the fact when a Tyrone player bends to rules to take a player out of a game it is brought about as an endemic problem that is Tyrone's alone in the game, when a player like Keegan does the same and has a track record in doing this to a number of players, it does not get the same coverage and spotlight as it would if it was a Tyrone or Donegal player.
Tyrone are held to higher moral standards than other counties when it comes to media coverage and that is where the anger stems from. There were two sets of players at it on Saturday.
Very blinkered by Mickey but as said, it was still raw.
As for Oisin's comments, his Armagh group that won one are the bitter ones. They still can't stomach what Tyrone did from 03 on, leaving Armagh in the 'one shot wonder' room.
Keegan did a super job marking cavanagh the last day. He is peerless in that role...fearless,power,
Ful,pacy and an ability to kick scores. Sean was obviously frustrated but the jostling he experiences is nothing he doesn't get week in week out...just Keegan brings so much more than just spoiling.
Tyrone's forwards are flaky when push comes to shove and game was there for them the last day. Tipp won't be trembling
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Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
So enlighten us. What did Keegan do that has you Mickey and Sean so much up in arms
I'm not up in arms about what Keegan did.
I'm up in arms about the fact when a Tyrone player bends to rules to take a player out of a game it is brought about as an endemic problem that is Tyrone's alone in the game, when a player like Keegan does the same and has a track record in doing this to a number of players, it does not get the same coverage and spotlight as it would if it was a Tyrone or Donegal player.
Tyrone are held to higher moral standards than other counties when it comes to media coverage and that is where the anger stems from. There were two sets of players at it on Saturday.
Ok so. You saying he bent the rules to get Kavanagh out if the game. Go on. Explain how
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Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
You see that's what you get! You happily came on here last year and applauded the way the under 21's went about their work! You took great offence at being reprimanded for it. When the shoe is on the other foot. You go crying to mammy!
The reality for the last decade plus or so, is that Tyrone have been the market leaders in Sledging, bad gamesmanship, and cheating. All the rest are no angels. But have held back more than Tyrone. Tyrone have the name now and nothing can be done other than to change focus and in time they may be seen a 'nicer' crowd. But would this be worth it? Many of their victories have come from this and they could return to mediocrity.
As for the Game. Told you so! Tyrone this and Tyrone that. Uncle Peter telling Ireland they were the second best in Ireland! Feck sake they could just beat a declined Donegal team and were beaten by a running on empty Mayo outfit. The rubbish on here about under 21 titles, second Division titles and McKenna Cup. No to mention a very poor Ulster Championship. Where did all this hype come from?
As for Mayo. They as I expected had one more kick. They always do at this stage. They in turn struggled to beat a poor Westmeath and Average Tyrone. They will make the final. But it won't be as easy as everybody thinks! The final will be the usual last chance saloon story that Mayo have retold over the last 20+ years now. 13/14 was their chance. It's gone thanks to an amazing Dublin team and Cormac O'Reilly who handed us the game in Limerick. Sad really, as they are the best bunch of players that I've ever seen not to do it - way better than the Kildare 98-2000 vintage.
My problem is not what is done, it is that if the foot was on the other foot and Aidan O'Shea was given a second yellow card then it would all be about the dark arts employed from Tyrone to get him sent off. There has been little said about Keegan, a guy who has a track record in using these tactics. Every team has these players but the coverage over these tactics is not dished out on an even basis and it exposes the naked agenda of the free state media and how disengenuous their outrage about these tactics are.
Ciaran Whelan acting like a defender of the virtues of the game after Tyrone's clash in Monaghan last year before turning into an apologist for dark arts a few weeks later when Dublin clashed with Mayo is another prime example.
You can delude yourself all you want but blatant double standards exist. You can't expect one team to abide by the rules while turning a blind eye to the rest.
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Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
So enlighten us. What did Keegan do that has you Mickey and Sean so much up in arms
I'm not up in arms about what Keegan did.
I'm up in arms about the fact when a Tyrone player bends to rules to take a player out of a game it is brought about as an endemic problem that is Tyrone's alone in the game, when a player like Keegan does the same and has a track record in doing this to a number of players, it does not get the same coverage and spotlight as it would if it was a Tyrone or Donegal player.
Tyrone are held to higher moral standards than other counties when it comes to media coverage and that is where the anger stems from. There were two sets of players at it on Saturday.
Ok so. You saying he bent the rules to get Kavanagh out if the game. Go on. Explain how
Pulling, dragging, checking runs, wrestling Cavanagh to the ground. None of those are in the rules and Keegan has a long history of this.
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Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Wise up you buffoon!! As if you have any inkling of how good Tyrone will be in 5/10 years time!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
I'm not up in arms about what Keegan did.
I'm up in arms about the fact when a Tyrone player bends to rules to take a player out of a game it is brought about as an endemic problem that is Tyrone's alone in the game, when a player like Keegan does the same and has a track record in doing this to a number of players, it does not get the same coverage and spotlight as it would if it was a Tyrone or Donegal player.
Tyrone are held to higher moral standards than other counties when it comes to media coverage and that is where the anger stems from. There were two sets of players at it on Saturday.
As there are no rte licene payers or irish Independant readers in Tyrone this will not change.
There's no market in Tyrone for those that drive public opinion on GAA matters.
That's not going to change.
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Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
You see that's what you get! You happily came on here last year and applauded the way the under 21's went about their work! You took great offence at being reprimanded for it. When the shoe is on the other foot. You go crying to mammy!
The reality for the last decade plus or so, is that Tyrone have been the market leaders in Sledging, bad gamesmanship, and cheating. All the rest are no angels. But have held back more than Tyrone. Tyrone have the name now and nothing can be done other than to change focus and in time they may be seen a 'nicer' crowd. But would this be worth it? Many of their victories have come from this and they could return to mediocrity.
As for the Game. Told you so! Tyrone this and Tyrone that. Uncle Peter telling Ireland they were the second best in Ireland! Feck sake they could just beat a declined Donegal team and were beaten by a running on empty Mayo outfit. The rubbish on here about under 21 titles, second Division titles and McKenna Cup. No to mention a very poor Ulster Championship. Where did all this hype come from?
As for Mayo. They as I expected had one more kick. They always do at this stage. They in turn struggled to beat a poor Westmeath and Average Tyrone. They will make the final. But it won't be as easy as everybody thinks! The final will be the usual last chance saloon story that Mayo have retold over the last 20+ years now. 13/14 was their chance. It's gone thanks to an amazing Dublin team and Cormac O'Reilly who handed us the game in Limerick. Sad really, as they are the best bunch of players that I've ever seen not to do it - way better than the Kildare 98-2000 vintage.
My problem is not what is done, it is that if the foot was on the other foot and Aidan O'Shea was given a second yellow card then it would all be about the dark arts employed from Tyrone to get him sent off. There has been little said about Keegan, a guy who has a track record in using these tactics. Every team has these players but the coverage over these tactics is not dished out on an even basis and it exposes the naked agenda of the free state media and how disengenuous their outrage about these tactics are.
Ciaran Whelan acting like a defender of the virtues of the game after Tyrone's clash in Monaghan last year before turning into an apologist for dark arts a few weeks later when Dublin clashed with Mayo is another prime example.
You can delude yourself all you want but blatant double standards exist. You can't expect one team to abide by the rules while turning a blind eye to the rest.
You Tyrone men are not wise. Sort out the systematic sledging, diving etc etc that has been going on for well over a decade and you'll be grand. Couldn't be anymore simple
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Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
You see that's what you get! You happily came on here last year and applauded the way the under 21's went about their work! You took great offence at being reprimanded for it. When the shoe is on the other foot. You go crying to mammy!
The reality for the last decade plus or so, is that Tyrone have been the market leaders in Sledging, bad gamesmanship, and cheating. All the rest are no angels. But have held back more than Tyrone. Tyrone have the name now and nothing can be done other than to change focus and in time they may be seen a 'nicer' crowd. But would this be worth it? Many of their victories have come from this and they could return to mediocrity.
As for the Game. Told you so! Tyrone this and Tyrone that. Uncle Peter telling Ireland they were the second best in Ireland! Feck sake they could just beat a declined Donegal team and were beaten by a running on empty Mayo outfit. The rubbish on here about under 21 titles, second Division titles and McKenna Cup. No to mention a very poor Ulster Championship. Where did all this hype come from?
As for Mayo. They as I expected had one more kick. They always do at this stage. They in turn struggled to beat a poor Westmeath and Average Tyrone. They will make the final. But it won't be as easy as everybody thinks! The final will be the usual last chance saloon story that Mayo have retold over the last 20+ years now. 13/14 was their chance. It's gone thanks to an amazing Dublin team and Cormac O'Reilly who handed us the game in Limerick. Sad really, as they are the best bunch of players that I've ever seen not to do it - way better than the Kildare 98-2000 vintage.
My problem is not what is done, it is that if the foot was on the other foot and Aidan O'Shea was given a second yellow card then it would all be about the dark arts employed from Tyrone to get him sent off. There has been little said about Keegan, a guy who has a track record in using these tactics. Every team has these players but the coverage over these tactics is not dished out on an even basis and it exposes the naked agenda of the free state media and how disengenuous their outrage about these tactics are.
Ciaran Whelan acting like a defender of the virtues of the game after Tyrone's clash in Monaghan last year before turning into an apologist for dark arts a few weeks later when Dublin clashed with Mayo is another prime example.
You can delude yourself all you want but blatant double standards exist. You can't expect one team to abide by the rules while turning a blind eye to the rest.
You Tyrone men are not wise. Sort out the systematic sledging, diving etc etc that has been going on for well over a decade and you'll be grand. Couldn't be anymore simple
And what about Kerry, Dublin, Mayo?
Why don't they have requirements to sort out the darker side of their game?
I've seen statements from 3 people who were at Croke Park last Saturday who state the incident for the first yellow was started by Cavanagh shouldering Keegan in the back as the players came onto the field for the second half. Can anyone on here verify that it happened that way?
If it did, could we not argue hat Cavanagh was in fact trying to get a reaction out of Keegan and get him booked, only to see it backfire
I think Mickey and poor Seanie are missing the point. Regardless of what Lee and himself were doing at any stage it was the 2nd offence that got him sent off.
If Lee done the same thing, i.e. a high tackle for a 2nd yellow and we lost the game our players and management wouldn't be on the papers a full 3 days later whinging about it.
Time for Tyrone to move on, the result ain't going to change.
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I've seen statements from 3 people who were at Croke Park last Saturday who state the incident for the first yellow was started by Cavanagh shouldering Keegan in the back as the players came onto the field for the second half. Can anyone on here verify that it happened that way?
If it did, could we not argue hat Cavanagh was in fact trying to get a reaction out of Keegan and get him booked, only to see it backfire
3 Witnesses you want confirmed to allow you to argue a fact you made up?
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Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
I've seen statements from 3 people who were at Croke Park last Saturday who state the incident for the first yellow was started by Cavanagh shouldering Keegan in the back as the players came onto the field for the second half. Can anyone on here verify that it happened that way?
If it did, could we not argue hat Cavanagh was in fact trying to get a reaction out of Keegan and get him booked, only to see it backfire
3 Witnesses you want confirmed to allow you to argue a fact you made up?
What other motivation would he had for instigating an incident with Keegan?
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What other motivation would he had for instigating an incident with Keegan?
What incident? You one you heard from a fella that saw the fella which you are looking for confirmation on?
Or a real incident?
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Quote from: sinabhuil on August 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Lad sour grapes. All beaten teams engage in it including ourselves when Kerry beat us in Limerick. A bit embarrassing really! Cop on lads. All teams sledge. All teams provoke. Just stop complaining about it when it happens against you. Expected more of Tyrone manager and Sean C. Tyrone fans I met after the game agreed that Mayo were the best team and wished us well. Mickey H and Sean C are just trying to promote a siege mentality - tactics really.
My only issue is with how the incident is relayed differently depending on the parties involved.
I agree with you here. Just have a look back at your posts after the Keegan - Connolly incident last year and how your interpretation of the incident has changed when it comes to blackening the name of Keegan today.
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.
So enlighten us. What did Keegan do that has you Mickey and Sean so much up in arms
I'm not up in arms about what Keegan did.
I'm up in arms about the fact when a Tyrone player bends to rules to take a player out of a game it is brought about as an endemic problem that is Tyrone's alone in the game, when a player like Keegan does the same and has a track record in doing this to a number of players, it does not get the same coverage and spotlight as it would if it was a Tyrone or Donegal player.
Tyrone are held to higher moral standards than other counties when it comes to media coverage and that is where the anger stems from. There were two sets of players at it on Saturday.
Ok so. You saying he bent the rules to get Kavanagh out if the game. Go on. Explain how
Pulling, dragging, checking runs, wrestling Cavanagh to the ground. None of those are in the rules and Keegan has a long history of this.
Sorry. Maybe you didn't understand. I was wondering what Keegan did in reality, not what he did in the imaginary world of Ill Bomber
Jaysus it's cutting up rough now.
Away home to your sexy wives, Mayo.
Cavanagh was poor anyway.
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Pulling, dragging, checking runs, wrestling Cavanagh to the ground. None of those are in the rules and Keegan has a long history of this.
The problem here is it is imaginary stuff made up to suit an agenda.
Even the incident that the linesman saw in the first half is in your mind Keegans fault. All that happened was the 2 of them were shoving one another after the ball had gone from their vicinity. However, one of Cavanaghs shoves was strong enough to land Keegan on his arse (fair enough) but Keegan caught Cavanaghs leg rather than falling and then wouldn't let it go. Again, all handbags-at-dawn but you have concluded that Keegan was the devious, sinister one.
Having watched Keegan closely for years, the only time he reverted to the devious arts was v Kerry draw in '14 when he stupidly kicked and got sent off (having been provoked)... fair enough.
Even the Connolly incident last year where he put his hand back in Connollys direction twice is hardly in the devious arts territory.
Anyway, the more we talk about Keegan and Cavanagh the more we are following Dublins narrative of 'poor Dermo, more sinned against then sinner.'
What do i mean ?? Dublin want the Keegan/Cavanagh debate to sew the seed in the publics mind and the referees body that Keegan is a master of the devious arts and the good players like Connolly need protection.
Alan Brogan is at it on Twitter, Jim Gavin is at it, back page of the Herald has it today about Dublin fearing the unfair attention Dermo' will get v Kerry..... and of course the whinging from Mickey H and Cavanagh have focused heavily, albeit indirectly, on Keegan
It is sickening BS. I would have sympathy for Connolly if he didn't consistently react like a thug when the opposing player doesn't geneflect in front of him.
The irony of it is that the true master of the black arts, the most devious & cunning of them all -
Philly McMahon - isn't even getting mentioned. In my 'spaced-out' state after the Mayo/Tyrone game, i focused a lot on Murphy/Philly in the Donegal/Dublin game. INCREDIBLE is the only word to describe the patience the Murhpy showed not to wallop McMahon. He must have come close to single-handidly done more verbal sledging to Murphy than the entire Tyrone team done in the season (sorry, thats insulting to Tyrone). To cap it all off, he got away scott free when he threw a punch during the incident where Connolly got his black/red card. A really great footballer but it is him, and most definitely NOT Keegan, that the focus needs to be on.
Anyway, enough of this for me, we have Tipperary to beat.
PS .... Whitey .... on your question of who saw the incident at the start of the second half.... 'yes' as described. I don't think Canavaghs was trying to get any reaction out of Keegan to be honest. It was, i would say, more a case of Cavanagh being syc'd up after half time speech and trying to tell Keegan who was boss
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Pulling, dragging, checking runs, wrestling Cavanagh to the ground. None of those are in the rules and Keegan has a long history of this.
The problem here is it is imaginary stuff made up to suit an agenda.
Even the incident that the linesman saw in the first half is in your mind Keegans fault. All that happened was the 2 of them were shoving one another after the ball had gone from their vicinity. However, one of Cavanaghs shoves was strong enough to land Keegan on his arse (fair enough) but Keegan caught Cavanaghs leg rather than falling and then wouldn't let it go. Again, all handbags-at-dawn but you have concluded that Keegan was the devious, sinister one.
Having watched Keegan closely for years, the only time he reverted to the devious arts was v Kerry draw in '14 when he stupidly kicked and got sent off (having been provoked)... fair enough.
Even the Connolly incident last year where he put his hand back in Connollys direction twice is hardly in the devious arts territory.
Anyway, the more we talk about Keegan and Cavanagh the more we are following Dublins narrative of 'poor Dermo, more sinned against then sinner.'
What do i mean ?? Dublin want the Keegan/Cavanagh debate to sew the seed in the publics mind and the referees body that Keegan is a master of the devious arts and the good players like Connolly need protection.
Alan Brogan is at it on Twitter, Jim Gavin is at it, back page of the Herald has it today about Dublin fearing the unfair attention Dermo' will get v Kerry..... and of course the whinging from Mickey H and Cavanagh have focused heavily, albeit indirectly, on Keegan
It is sickening BS. I would have sympathy for Connolly if he didn't consistently react like a thug when the opposing player doesn't geneflect in front of him.
The irony of it is that the true master of the black arts, the most devious & cunning of them all - Philly McMahon - isn't even getting mentioned. In my 'spaced-out' state after the Mayo/Tyrone game, i focused a lot on Murphy/Philly in the Donegal/Dublin game. INCREDIBLE is the only word to describe the patience the Murhpy showed not to wallop McMahon. He must have come close to single-handidly done more verbal sledging to Murphy than the entire Tyrone team done in the season (sorry, thats insulting to Tyrone). To cap it all off, he got away scott free when he threw a punch during the incident where Connolly got his black/red card. A really great footballer but it is him, and most definitely NOT Keegan, that the focus needs to be on.
Anyway, enough of this for me, we have Tipperary to beat.
PS .... Whitey .... on your question of who saw the incident at the start of the second half.... 'yes' as described. I don't think Canavaghs was trying to get any reaction out of Keegan to be honest. It was, i would say, more a case of Cavanagh being syc'd up after half time speech and trying to tell Keegan who was boss
You're the one with the fabricated version of events.
Much like how Aidan O'Shea claims he didn't dive against Fermanagh.
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Did Cavanagh shoulder Keegan in the back as the teams made their way onto the pitch at the start of the second half? Yes or no
No
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Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2016, 03:10:21 PM
Did Cavanagh shoulder Keegan in the back as the teams made their way onto the pitch at the start of the second half? Yes or no
No
Fair enough....4 other people (on various forums who claimed to be at the match) stated that he did
Oh Mickey
What a pity
You don't understand
You'll never win another Sam
With the red hands!
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Cavanagh was poor anyway.
Correct weak management by Mickey - He was on a yellow playing shite so should have been off before he got a red card.
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I think Mickey and poor Seanie are missing the point. Regardless of what Lee and himself were doing at any stage it was the 2nd offence that got him sent off.
If Lee done the same thing, i.e. a high tackle for a 2nd yellow and we lost the game our players and management wouldn't be on the papers a full 3 days later whinging about it.
Time for Tyrone to move on, the result ain't going to change.
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You're the one with the fabricated version of events.
I'm almost 20 years posting on this board and earlier versions. First time i've been accused of telling lies.
So, at least tell me what you saw
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You're the one with the fabricated version of events.
I'm almost 20 years posting on this board and earlier versions. First time i've been accused of telling lies.
So, at least tell me what you saw
Sorry, I missed your version Blast. So Sean came running out of the dressing room, onto the pitch and shouldered Lee Keegan in the back? Lee was just minding his own business at the time but in the same instance turned around and dragged Cavanagh to the ground? Is that the version you saw?
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Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.
I guess I won't.
Punching an unsuspecting victim is not manly, it is anything but honest. But loads of people tend to hark back to the days when they could get away with this.
The goalposts have changed, violence was the underhand action to get a player off his game, now with video evidence it has turned to provocation.
The hierarchy of gamesmanship makes me laugh.
One particular incident that showed this up was Brolly's meltdown over Sean Cavanagh in 2013. In the match which followed that game, Michael Shields deliberately handled the ball on the goal line to prevent a Dublin goal, the difference was Shields definitely stopped a goal being scored by deliberately breaking a rule. Dublin got no score out of said incident, in contrast to that of Cavanagh, we don't know for sure McManus would have scored, they got a free, Cavanagh got a yellow and Monaghan got a point. The Shields incident wasn't even really discussed bar from saying it was a penalty. What was worse with what Cavanagh did?
There are certain things which for some bizarre reason are treated with much greater contempt despite the fact that the act being carried out is for the same impact with the same cynical intent.
Funny thing about the Brolly meltdown is that the tackle made by Cavanagh on McManus was one that many, many players would have done. For me the time he grabbed Darren Hughes Arm and pulled him to the ground only for Hughes to get booked was far worse in my opinion as it is something you have to practice to perfect.
I agree and Cavanagh is a big culprit in holding the arm in when being tackled. However a lot of the time I think it's to do with bringing a foul to the attention of the ref. For instance on Saturday where he got the free given against him for it, he was definitely fouled by Keegan moments before so decided when the hand went in next time he would get his free.
Are you actually serious? Cavanagh is at that all he time and I was glad to see the ref give the free against him for it on Saturday
Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball. He should have had a free before he locked Keegan's arm in on Saturday.
My comprehension skills are fine. Are yours? A lot of he time it's to draw attention to fouls? Really? He's trying to win a free by unfair means. That's it. None of this bringing fouls to the refs attention
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Pulling, dragging, checking runs, wrestling Cavanagh to the ground. None of those are in the rules and Keegan has a long history of this.
The problem here is it is imaginary stuff made up to suit an agenda.
Even the incident that the linesman saw in the first half is in your mind Keegans fault. All that happened was the 2 of them were shoving one another after the ball had gone from their vicinity. However, one of Cavanaghs shoves was strong enough to land Keegan on his arse (fair enough) but Keegan caught Cavanaghs leg rather than falling and then wouldn't let it go. Again, all handbags-at-dawn but you have concluded that Keegan was the devious, sinister one.
Having watched Keegan closely for years, the only time he reverted to the devious arts was v Kerry draw in '14 when he stupidly kicked and got sent off (having been provoked)... fair enough.
Even the Connolly incident last year where he put his hand back in Connollys direction twice is hardly in the devious arts territory.
Anyway, the more we talk about Keegan and Cavanagh the more we are following Dublins narrative of 'poor Dermo, more sinned against then sinner.'
What do i mean ?? Dublin want the Keegan/Cavanagh debate to sew the seed in the publics mind and the referees body that Keegan is a master of the devious arts and the good players like Connolly need protection.
Alan Brogan is at it on Twitter, Jim Gavin is at it, back page of the Herald has it today about Dublin fearing the unfair attention Dermo' will get v Kerry..... and of course the whinging from Mickey H and Cavanagh have focused heavily, albeit indirectly, on Keegan
It is sickening BS. I would have sympathy for Connolly if he didn't consistently react like a thug when the opposing player doesn't geneflect in front of him.
The irony of it is that the true master of the black arts, the most devious & cunning of them all - Philly McMahon - isn't even getting mentioned. In my 'spaced-out' state after the Mayo/Tyrone game, i focused a lot on Murphy/Philly in the Donegal/Dublin game. INCREDIBLE is the only word to describe the patience the Murhpy showed not to wallop McMahon. He must have come close to single-handidly done more verbal sledging to Murphy than the entire Tyrone team done in the season (sorry, thats insulting to Tyrone). To cap it all off, he got away scott free when he threw a punch during the incident where Connolly got his black/red card. A really great footballer but it is him, and most definitely NOT Keegan, that the focus needs to be on.
Anyway, enough of this for me, we have Tipperary to beat.
PS .... Whitey .... on your question of who saw the incident at the start of the second half.... 'yes' as described. I don't think Canavaghs was trying to get any reaction out of Keegan to be honest. It was, i would say, more a case of Cavanagh being syc'd up after half time speech and trying to tell Keegan who was boss
blast5. You have it spot on here.
Dermot Connolly dragged McHugh to the ground, the second time in 2 games he's done this. He received his second yellow for tackling a lad around the neck. Last year he thumped Lee Keegan numerous times into the face. But its all poor Dermo. H'e not allowed display his wonderful array of skills without someone hassling him.
I read comments today from Liam Kerins in which he said he didn't think Mayo would use these tactics against Tipperary. When reading them I was wondering what kind of an idiotic question was he asked when he had to answer it like this.
The incident with Keegan and Kavanagh on Saturday wouldn't even be an issue now only for Mickey Harte's stupid comments afterwards. And the one thing he said that stands out is he didn't even see the incident. I was giving Mickey Harte the benefit of the doubt as I could only presume that some idiot journalist caught him of guard when emotions were high but to hear Kavanagh at it a couple of days later, you'd have to wonder
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Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Wise up you buffoon!! As if you have any inkling of how good Tyrone will be in 5/10 years time!
Ha I can tell you where Derry will be anyway, still on the scrap heap! Its easy to have an inkling, understand the coaching set up and the youth coming through and work being done behind the scenes. Don't be jealous now its a shame we won't get to hammer your lot a few more times this year!
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Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Wise up you buffoon!! As if you have any inkling of how good Tyrone will be in 5/10 years time!
Ha I can tell you where Derry will be anyway, still on the scrap heap! Its easy to have an inkling, understand the coaching set up and the youth coming through and work being done behind the scenes. Don't be jealous now its a shame we won't get to hammer your lot a few more times this year!
Coaching set up/structures?? What underage success have yous had to imply this?? A few counties in Ulster appear to have a better set up than Tyrone at U15-minor.
Are tyrone sick in the head? Do they take sledging to a different level?
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Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Wise up you buffoon!! As if you have any inkling of how good Tyrone will be in 5/10 years time!
Ha I can tell you where Derry will be anyway, still on the scrap heap! Its easy to have an inkling, understand the coaching set up and the youth coming through and work being done behind the scenes. Don't be jealous now its a shame we won't get to hammer your lot a few more times this year!
Coaching set up/structures?? What underage success have yous had to imply this?? A few counties in Ulster appear to have a better set up than Tyrone at U15-minor.
Wait to you see next years minor team, Walter. 😜 By the way, you do know Tyrone have won 3 all Ireland minor titles since Derry won their last one....a bit like senior level I suppose!
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Games over, Harte should not have said that, it happens everywhere up and down the country! He probably said it in the heat of the moment. Cavanagh wasn't complaining he was answering questions put to him.
I love the fact everyone is laying the boot in today, especially from lesser counties like Meath, Down, Armagh, Monaghan and whoever else. Jealously is a wonderful thing and Tyrone will nail this to the wall for next year. People shouldn't be worried about this tyrone team but we are making big plans for 5b to 10 years down the line, the current set up is a bonus so we are going nowhere.
As for Oisin Mc Conville he is one to talk about moaning, he wrote a full book on it to feed his ego. Only thing worse to reading it again would be to listen to a version read by the man himself in that accent.
Wise up you buffoon!! As if you have any inkling of how good Tyrone will be in 5/10 years time!
Ha I can tell you where Derry will be anyway, still on the scrap heap! Its easy to have an inkling, understand the coaching set up and the youth coming through and work being done behind the scenes. Don't be jealous now its a shame we won't get to hammer your lot a few more times this year!
Coaching set up/structures?? What underage success have yous had to imply this?? A few counties in Ulster appear to have a better set up than Tyrone at U15-minor.
Wait to you see next years minor team, Walter. 😜 By the way, you do know Tyrone have won 3 all Ireland minor titles since Derry won their last one....a bit like senior level I suppose!
Haha I do admire you lads. If yous put half the effort into your clubs as you do your county yous might go places.
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Are tyrone sick in the head? Do they take sledging to a different level?
Mayo certainly take whinging and trying to put undue pressure on the referee to a new level.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 06:52:33 PM
Are tyrone sick in the head? Do they take sledging to a different level?
Mayo certainly take whinging and trying to put undue pressure on the referee to a new level.
Also took scoring to a level beyond Tyrone the last day ;)
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Are tyrone sick in the head? Do they take sledging to a different level?
Mayo certainly take whinging and trying to put undue pressure on the referee to a new level.
Also took scoring to a level beyond Tyrone the last day ;)
Well done.
Great chance to end the hoodoo this year for ye.
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
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One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
Calm down Larry! I think you may be losing the run of yourself.
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Next tyrone mayo match bomber and larry should sit beside each other. It would be good spectator sport :D
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Next tyrone mayo match bomber and larry should sit beside each other. It would be good spectator sport :D
Syf can sit between them to keep the peace
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 09, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Did he really write "Well boo-hoo"?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
Someone will tell all?
There didn't seem to be any animosity between the two sets of players at the end, it was the usual harmless trash talk that happend.
Maybe you can get a few more supporters on the pitch this year to threaten match officials?
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
Someone will tell all?
There didn't seem to be any animosity between the two sets of players at the end, it was the usual harmless trash talk that happend.
Maybe you can get a few more supporters on the pitch this year to threaten match officials?
I think the same. There's been good relations between the sides since 2008 ( wasn't it?) when Tyrone played their first league game in Castlebar since the death of Cormac McAnallen.
The Mayo crowd gave Mickey and the team a standing ovation as they came onto the field and the Tyronies returned the compliment next time we played them in Healy Park.
I know there's the odd dust up on the pitch but that's to be expected. I don't notice any real animosity between both sets of fans.
2004 Lar.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 09, 2016, 09:54:09 PM
Next tyrone mayo match bomber and larry should sit beside each other. It would be good spectator sport :D
Syf can sit between them to keep the peace
Mclf can sit behind Syf to keep him on the straight and narrow
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
Someone will tell all?
There didn't seem to be any animosity between the two sets of players at the end, it was the usual harmless trash talk that happend.
Maybe you can get a few more supporters on the pitch this year to threaten match officials?
I think the same. There's been good relations between the sides since 2008 ( wasn't it?) when Tyrone played their first league game in Castlebar since the death of Cormac McAnallen.
The Mayo crowd gave Mickey and the team a standing ovation as they came onto the field and the Tyronies returned the compliment next time we played them in Healy Park.
I know there's the odd dust up on the pitch but that's to be expected. I don't notice any real animosity between both sets of fans.
There's always good relations as long as we lose Lar. And that is not just Tyrone.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/
Some excellent stuff here about the game.
Quotehad both teams converted their chances at an average rate Tyrone would have won the game by seven or more points 39% of the time.
QuoteThat still leaves their point taking from play as a quite terrible 27% (0 – 06 from 22) with an Expt Pts of -3.36.Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly were excellent scoring 0 – 05 from their eight shots combined (Expt Pts. of +1.77). Of course that leaves the supporting cast returning 7% (1 from 14) and Expt Pts of -5.13. That is genuinely appalling and even more so when you consider that eight of those 14 shots occurred either from the central zone around the D or inside the 20m line.
QuoteIn those fifteen minutes after Séan Cavanagh's was sent to the line Mayo only managed one shot. One. In that same period 14 man Tyrone managed six. We have touched upon the dearth of accuracy therein but looking forward Mayo cannot go into their shells again as Tipperary have shown, especially against Derry, that they will look to get their main men onto the ball in any tight finish. And Quinlivan & Sweeney will get at least three of the six that Tyrone missed.
QuoteAfter McCarron's missed shot at 67:52 only two Tyrone players touched the ball in the next 6 minutes and 11 seconds – those being Niall Morgan with his skewed free and Daniel McCurry's snap shot after intercepting Clarke's short pass to Durcan. In contrast Mayo had 3 team possessions with 55 separate individual possessions in that time. Despite seeming like a lifetime to Mayo supporters their players only held the ball for exactly four minutes. Given that Tyrone were sitting back Mayo were never in danger of giving away the ball however as Tyrone crept forward they had to be brave enough and get into the space inside Tyrone's 45.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 09, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Dunno about nail on head, mostly just a load of aul shite. Hardly a 'masterclass', Mayo played well, but Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it, thought their game plan was OK, just far too many wides.
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Quote from: Disillusioned on August 09, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Dunno about nail on head, mostly just a load of aul shite. Hardly a 'masterclass', Mayo played well, but Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it, thought their game plan was OK, just far too many wides.
From a Mayo point of view (well some of us - not all will agree), it was a bit of a 'masterclass'. No Mayo team has ever done that before.
I doubt any Tyrone supporter thought they would lose this game. Mayo is not supposed to play like that, and the fact that we did and won is probably the most thing that is annoying Harte and his players. He choose to deflect from that though. I suspect that being beaten by a johnny-come-lately is annoying him, players and some Tyrone supporters here also.
I suspect Harte became very conservative to beat McGuinesses's Donegal in Ulster. But, hey! Kerry, Dublin and Mayo were well schooled by McGuiness as well! Even Mayo, has eventually copped on, belatedly, and manage to put out a half decent conservative game.
Some reckon Mayo were better a few years ago. I'm not convinced the Horan's Mayo of 2014 would have beaten Tyrone the last day. Tyrone squeezed us that day in 2014 and we squealed before eventually nailing it. Last Saturday was a much better Tyrone team. Last Saturday was also a much more considered, tactical, and hugely better Mayo performance than 2014.
The reality now though is that Dublin has the best defensive system in place - even with 3 of their best defenders missing.
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Quote from: Disillusioned on August 09, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Dunno about nail on head, mostly just a load of aul shite. Hardly a 'masterclass', Mayo played well, but Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it, thought their game plan was OK, just far too many wides.
From a Mayo point of view (well some of us - not all will agree), it was a bit of a 'masterclass'. No Mayo team has ever done that before.
I doubt any Tyrone supporter thought they would lose this game. Mayo is not supposed to play like that, and the fact that we did and won is probably the most thing that is annoying Harte and his players. He choose to deflect from that though. I suspect that is the thing that is annoying some Tyrone supporters here also.
I suspect Harte became very conservative to beat McGuinesses's Donegal in Ulster. But, hey! Kerry, Dublin and Mayo were well schooled by McGuiness as well. Even Mayo, has eventually copped on, belatedly, and manage to put out a half decent conservative game.
Some reckon Mayo were better a few years ago. I'm not convinced the Horan's Mayo of 2014 would have beaten Tyrone the last day. Tyrone squeezed us that day and we squealed before nailing it. This was a much better Tyrone team. That was a much better performance than 2014.
2013 I presume you meant. Highly debatable as Tyrone 2013 reached the Division one final losing by just one point to Dublin and reached the All Ireland semi final and had a Mayo side at their peak rattled until the game turned on a dubious penalty.
Correct. 2013.
I don t think we were at our peak and may never will. As usual, we were eager and gung-ho and it was enthusiasm/desperation that got us over Tyrone that day than anything else. Mayo teams have been like that always anyway.
This year's Tyrone team was much more defensive. The 2013 Mayo team would not have won playing the way they did then against the current Tyrone team.
This year's Tyrone team conceded 5-24 against Cavan this summer. Cillian O Connor,Aidan O Shea,Andy Moran and Lee Keegan all got either loads of time or space on the ball before converting their points from play. That is not something you see from a much more defensive Tyrone team.
Mayo would have got more joy and scores against that Tyrone defence last Sunday if they didn't go into their defensive shell a tactic if you look at match stats on don't foul could easily have backfired.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
Those New Model War child genes are persistent
Darragh - who knows a thing or two about being targeted - gives his tuppence worth
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Reading this thread is hilarious - the Tyronies have lost the plot are are totally embarrassing themselves, keep it up lads you are making yourselves look like the hypocritical muppets you are. ;D ;D ;D
Tyronies do the longest post loss thread introspection.
Can we get this game replayed at all?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2016, 03:03:10 AM
This year's Tyrone team conceded 5-24 against Cavan this summer. Cillian O Connor,Aidan O Shea,Andy Moran and Lee Keegan all got either loads of time or space on the ball before converting their points from play. That is not something you see from a much more defensive Tyrone team.
Mayo would have got more joy and scores against that Tyrone defence last Sunday if they didn't go into their defensive shell a tactic if you look at match stats on don't foul could easily have backfired.
I wouldn't agree, I think Mayo adopted the game they needed to just like Donegal did to frustrate Tyrone in the Ulster final.
Donegal were actually quite adventurous by their standards in the two games with Monaghan.
I don't think it was any tactical masterclass from Mayo because Tyrone still had the opportunities to win that game. However it was a gameplan that Mayo adopted to thwart Tyrone and it worked, they made it hard to penetrate them and a lot of players made some really poor decisions when they were turned back and rushed shots from long distance. Mayo were much smarter and much more patient in working the openings and that's why they won.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2016, 03:03:10 AM
This year's Tyrone team conceded 5-24 against Cavan this summer. Cillian O Connor,Aidan O Shea,Andy Moran and Lee Keegan all got either loads of time or space on the ball before converting their points from play. That is not something you see from a much more defensive Tyrone team.
Mayo would have got more joy and scores against that Tyrone defence last Sunday if they didn't go into their defensive shell a tactic if you look at match stats on don't foul could easily have backfired.
I wouldn't agree, I think Mayo adopted the game they needed to just like Donegal did to frustrate Tyrone in the Ulster final.
Donegal were actually quite adventurous by their standards in the two games with Monaghan.
I don't think it was any tactical masterclass from Mayo because Tyrone still had the opportunities to win that game. However it was a gameplan that Mayo adopted to thwart Tyrone and it worked, they made it hard to penetrate them and a lot of players made some really poor decisions when they were turned back and rushed shots from long distance. Mayo were much smarter and much more patient in working the openings and that's why they won.
Yeah, they just got lucky.
Sorry but Tyrone lost because they missed easy scoreable chances. To be honest Mayo were only good up to a point. A lot of problems with our lads still and they should not underestimate Tipp.
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Quote from: Disillusioned on August 09, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Dunno about nail on head, mostly just a load of aul shite. Hardly a 'masterclass', Mayo played well, but Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it, thought their game plan was OK, just far too many wides.
From a Mayo point of view (well some of us - not all will agree), it was a bit of a 'masterclass'. No Mayo team has ever done that before.
I doubt any Tyrone supporter thought they would lose this game. Mayo is not supposed to play like that, and the fact that we did and won is probably the most thing that is annoying Harte and his players. He choose to deflect from that though. I suspect that being beaten by a johnny-come-lately is annoying him, players and some Tyrone supporters here also.
I suspect Harte became very conservative to beat McGuinesses's Donegal in Ulster. But, hey! Kerry, Dublin and Mayo were well schooled by McGuiness as well! Even Mayo, has eventually copped on, belatedly, and manage to put out a half decent conservative game.
Some reckon Mayo were better a few years ago. I'm not convinced the Horan's Mayo of 2014 would have beaten Tyrone the last day. Tyrone squeezed us that day in 2014 and we squealed before eventually nailing it. Last Saturday was a much better Tyrone team. Last Saturday was also a much more considered, tactical, and hugely better Mayo performance than 2014.
The reality now though is that Dublin has the best defensive system in place - even with 3 of their best defenders missing.
Yeah, this was the major positive I think; all else is relative but no one can say that Rochford lost the battle of wits and tactical acumen with Harte.
I too think that no Mayo team I've ever seen did that before.
James Horan worked wonders in turning Mayo into one of the top teams in the land but he was clueless when it came to making switches and substitutions.
The 2013 final was there for the taking if anybody on the sideline knew anything about tactics and the need to make changes as the game developed. The semis of 2014/15 were there for the taking also if only the buckos on the sideline were able to make a stab at reading the game.
You could go back to the Stone Age and you wouldn't find a Mayo managers that could spot the need to make changes let alone do something about it.
(Well, that's how it seemed to me.)
Rochy earned his corn last Saturday and I presume Tony McEntee had a part to play in proceedings as well. 10/10 to both.
Roll on the good times!
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 10, 2016, 07:56:52 AM
Darragh - who knows a thing or two about being targeted - gives his tuppence worth
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 10, 2016, 07:56:52 AM
Darragh - who knows a thing or two about being targeted - gives his tuppence worth
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
Bomber Keegan didn't force Cavanagh to make the high challenge on AOS. For a player of his experience he should have known better. End of.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:28 PM
One day someone will tell all and you lot will be shown for what you have engaged in. A f**king disgrace to decency . Saint mickey just your stereotypical devout catholic , full of shite and hypocrisy.
I'll see your 'shite and hypocrisy' and up you a nauseating sanctimony! :P
Maybe next time you'll beat us... oh wait!... there's such a thing as a feckin' ungracious winner -- it's there to be sweetly savoured and profited from, go grab it! ;)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 10, 2016, 10:20:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 10, 2016, 07:56:52 AM
Darragh - who knows a thing or two about being targeted - gives his tuppence worth
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
Bomber Keegan didn't force Cavanagh to make the high challenge on AOS. For a player of his experience he should have known better. End of.
Keegan was at Cavanagh by illegal means all game, I don't have an issue with Keegan for it, he is clearly very clever at it and we have our own players who engage in it.
My issue is that had we succeeded in getting a player sent off with these tactics it would have been the usual hysteric reaction, instead it's Lee Keegan of Mayo, who has succeeded in this avenue before and it's ignored, Mayo aren't associated with their past actions.
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He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
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Bomber Keegan didn't force Cavanagh to make the high challenge on AOS. For a player of his experience he should have known better. End of.
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Keegan was at Cavanagh by illegal means all game, I don't have an issue with Keegan for it, he is clearly very clever at it and we have our own players who engage in it.
My issue is that had we succeeded in getting a player sent off with these tactics it would have been the usual hysteric reaction, instead it's Lee Keegan of Mayo, who has succeeded in this avenue before and it's ignored, Mayo aren't associated with their past actions.
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But you do want sympathy, why are your main men still crying in the media if you dont? When we were at this after losing against Kerry in 2014 I was cringing everytime someone came out and said something about it. You take your beating and move on, anything else is considered whinging. Do you want us to offer a replay?
On your ridiculous notions about Keegan, it seems to be thus. Keegan, by your assertion, winds people up and somehow forces them into getting cards. you offer no evidence of this except essentially there's no smoke without fire, and Keegan has been around incidents before. He played such trickery with Sean Cavanaghs apparently weak mind (despite winning 3 All Ireland senior medals) that he fooled him into shouldering him in the back after half time, getting a reaction, creating a schmozzle and getting them both booked. Then he continued his dastardly plan by using his Dr. Evil mind powers to drive poor Seanie's forearm across Aidan O'Sheas face right in front of the referee? Have I got that right?
I believe your other assertion was that he also managed to get Diarmuid Connolly to throw a few digs into his face. Was it yourself that got the Dublin county board the evidence they used to get Diarmuids red overturned before the replay last year? Was it your expert evidence that helped get him off by asserting you could read Keegans lips saying "Hit me Diarmo, Hit me"?
Hes some lad Keegan apparently, he can setup a mind control stall at the bottom of the Reek once he hangs up his boots. A fiver and Lee will take over your mind and make your body do all sorts of mad things against your will!
Mayo lads and lads in general, as a Tyrone man I am embarrassed by Mickey and Sean crying about this. As Dara says we have lived by the sword so many times...........the likes of Il Bomber doesn't represent all of Tyrone so please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Good luck in the semi final. I have always said I would love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and just because you beat us I wont change my mind. I think you will need to improve though as I don't think either team was that great on Saturday.
Lads,the fact that Harte and Cavanagh are complaining doesnt mean that all Tyrone supporters think the same.
In my opinion we had a couple of players at the same craic that Keegan was at.Best to say nothing in these cases as it comes across as sour grapes.If you do feel a sense of injustice,hold your tongue but use it as motivation down the line.Anyone I've been talking to since Saturday about this would have similar thoughts.Complaining to the media serves no purpose.
Quote from: iorras on August 10, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
Bomber Keegan didn't force Cavanagh to make the high challenge on AOS. For a player of his experience he should have known better. End of.
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Keegan was at Cavanagh by illegal means all game, I don't have an issue with Keegan for it, he is clearly very clever at it and we have our own players who engage in it.
My issue is that had we succeeded in getting a player sent off with these tactics it would have been the usual hysteric reaction, instead it's Lee Keegan of Mayo, who has succeeded in this avenue before and it's ignored, Mayo aren't associated with their past actions.
QuoteBut you do want sympathy, why are your main men still crying in the media if you dont? When we were at this after losing against Kerry in 2014 I was cringing everytime someone came out and said something about it. You take your beating and move on, anything else is considered whinging. Do you want us to offer a replay?
On your ridiculous notions about Keegan, it seems to be thus. Keegan, by your assertion, winds people up and somehow forces them into getting cards. you offer no evidence of this except essentially there's no smoke without fire, and Keegan has been around incidents before. He played such trickery with Sean Cavanaghs apparently weak mind (despite winning 3 All Ireland senior medals) that he fooled him into shouldering him in the back after half time, getting a reaction, creating a schmozzle and getting them both booked. Then he continued his dastardly plan by using his Dr. Evil mind powers to drive poor Seanie's forearm across Aidan O'Sheas face right in front of the referee? Have I got that right?
I believe your other assertion was that he also managed to get Diarmuid Connolly to throw a few digs into his face. Was it yourself that got the Dublin county board the evidence they used to get Diarmuids red overturned before the replay last year? Was it your expert evidence that helped get him off by asserting you could read Keegans lips saying "Hit me Diarmo, Hit me"?
Hes some lad Keegan apparently, he can setup a mind control stall at the bottom of the Reek once he hangs up his boots. A fiver and Lee will take over your mind and make your body do all sorts of mad things against your will!
You're in flying form today!
Simple fact is we out-Tyroned Tyrone, beat them at their own game, and they can't handle the truth. ;)
I'd take those green and red tinted glasses off lads; Mayo showed great accuracy and great character to close out what was probably their first win in a game that close all the way through in the last 5 years but this lot aren't a patch on the team from 2/3 years ago.
Tyrone still had the only goal chance of the game and it was a relatively easy chance for a forward operating at this level and it should have been taken and taking into account the amount of shots they had Tyrone should have at least drawn the game. You're making too much of the tactical masterclass from Rochford, Tyrone created enough good chances to win the game comfortably but failed to take them.
On a different note it was good to see AOS & COC showing a bit of form.
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 10, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Lads,the fact that Harte and Cavanagh are complaining doesnt mean that all Tyrone supporters think the same.
In my opinion we had a couple of players at the same craic that Keegan was at.Best to say nothing in these cases as it comes across as sour grapes.If you do feel a sense of injustice,hold your tongue but use it as motivation down the line.Anyone I've been talking to since Saturday about this would have similar thoughts.Complaining to the media serves no purpose.
Agree with you here Rossa, and anyone I have been chatting to since have similar views on both the game and the comments in the media from Harte & Cavanagh.
Best of luck to Mayo, out of the teams left, i would like to see them go on and win it.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 10, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 10, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Lads,the fact that Harte and Cavanagh are complaining doesnt mean that all Tyrone supporters think the same.
In my opinion we had a couple of players at the same craic that Keegan was at.Best to say nothing in these cases as it comes across as sour grapes.If you do feel a sense of injustice,hold your tongue but use it as motivation down the line.Anyone I've been talking to since Saturday about this would have similar thoughts.Complaining to the media serves no purpose.
Agree with you here Rossa, and anyone I have been chatting to since have similar views on both the game and the comments in the media from Harte & Cavanagh.
Best of luck to Mayo, out of the teams left, i would like to see them go on and win it.
Yeah I think Bomber has got himself a bit angry and isn't reflective of the general view. Larry likewise. That isn't helping this thread....
Quote from: The Trap on August 10, 2016, 11:05:56 AM
Mayo lads and lads in general, as a Tyrone man I am embarrassed by Mickey and Sean crying about this. As Dara says we have lived by the sword so many times...........the likes of Il Bomber doesn't represent all of Tyrone so please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Good luck in the semi final. I have always said I would love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and just because you beat us I wont change my mind. I think you will need to improve though as I don't think either team was that great on Saturday.
Well said.
There are only a couple of Tyrone supporters even arguing this point and there is no need for Mayo fans here to be here, especially when our season is still alive.
I have been critical of Harte in the past, but in fairness, it is very difficult to 'say the right thing' two seconds after a year's hopes have gone up in smoke, especially in a tight match that could have gone either way.
I really hate the sideline interview, which always sets a trap seeking the big soundbite. If Mayo had lost, Rochford would have been asked about the goading of AOXI, and he might have said something he regretted as well.
Teams target weaknesses. They always did and always have. The weakness might be a flaky free-taker, a keeper weak under the high-ball, a lad who can't keep his head when hassled or a ref who won't send someone off. Ever hear of a 'windy corner forward'? How does your club deal with such a player?
This is a non-story really and ex-players wringing their hands about it (Dara being the notable exception) is embarrassing really.
Quote from: The Trap on August 10, 2016, 11:05:56 AM
Mayo lads and lads in general, as a Tyrone man I am embarrassed by Mickey and Sean crying about this. As Dara says we have lived by the sword so many times...........the likes of Il Bomber doesn't represent all of Tyrone so please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Good luck in the semi final. I have always said I would love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and just because you beat us I wont change my mind. I think you will need to improve though as I don't think either team was that great on Saturday.
Good post.
I know full well that most Tyrone folks are genuine sportspeople and like I said in an earlier post, there's a strong element of goodwill between both sets of fans since the unfortunate death of Cormac McAnallen. The rivalry is keen and the fur and feathers are flying when we meet but all that's best left on the field.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 10, 2016, 11:13:28 AM
I'd take those green and red tinted glasses off lads; Mayo showed great accuracy and great character to close out what was probably their first win in a game that close all the way through in the last 5 years but this lot aren't a patch on the team from 2/3 years ago.
Tyrone still had the only goal chance of the game and it was a relatively easy chance for a forward operating at this level and it should have been taken and taking into account the amount of shots they had Tyrone should have at least drawn the game. You're making too much of the tactical masterclass from Rochford, Tyrone created enough good chances to win the game comfortably but failed to take them.
On a different note it was good to see AOS & COC showing a bit of form.
I'd disagree. This team has the potential to be better than that vintage. Parsons, DOC, Moran flying and COC motoring, Harrison & Durcan etc..., (some Mayo man listed more reasons 40 odd pages back). Mayo will have a huge say in where Sam resides for the rest of the year
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2016, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: The Trap on August 10, 2016, 11:05:56 AM
Mayo lads and lads in general, as a Tyrone man I am embarrassed by Mickey and Sean crying about this. As Dara says we have lived by the sword so many times...........the likes of Il Bomber doesn't represent all of Tyrone so please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Good luck in the semi final. I have always said I would love to see Mayo win the All Ireland and just because you beat us I wont change my mind. I think you will need to improve though as I don't think either team was that great on Saturday.
Good post.
I know full well that most Tyrone folks are genuine sportspeople and like I said in an earlier post, there's a strong element of goodwill between both sets of fans since the unfortunate death of Cormac McAnallen. The rivalry is keen and the fur and feathers are flying when we meet but all that's best left on the field.
Same as that... as a Tyrone supporter you congratulate Mayo and move on. Harte let himself down and Sean followed the line he made...
To be fair to Tyrone the media do this all the time and try to catch people saying things like that and crate a headline. When you're still peeved off it can be easy to fall for it.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 10, 2016, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 10, 2016, 11:13:28 AM
I'd take those green and red tinted glasses off lads; Mayo showed great accuracy and great character to close out what was probably their first win in a game that close all the way through in the last 5 years but this lot aren't a patch on the team from 2/3 years ago.
Tyrone still had the only goal chance of the game and it was a relatively easy chance for a forward operating at this level and it should have been taken and taking into account the amount of shots they had Tyrone should have at least drawn the game. You're making too much of the tactical masterclass from Rochford, Tyrone created enough good chances to win the game comfortably but failed to take them.
On a different note it was good to see AOS & COC showing a bit of form.
I'd disagree. This team has the potential to be better than that vintage. Parsons, DOC, Moran flying and COC motoring, Harrison & Durcan etc..., (some Mayo man listed more reasons 40 odd pages back). Mayo will have a huge say in where Sam resides for the rest of the year
I just don't see it, hope I'm wrong as Mayo have cost me a fortune since 2011 and will continue to do so until they win it as I'm married to a Mayo woman.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
To be fair to Tyrone the media do this all the time and try to catch people saying things like that and crate a headline. When you're still peeved off it can be easy to fall for it.
Yes, emotions are high after Losing. An off the cuff line can be seen as an opportunity to make a headline. Also clever Journalists often use a line like ''Did you feel Sean Cavanagh was targeted today''. In other words putting words in the Managers mouth. Of course he's going to reply yes.
In fairness, most (if not all) Tyrone fans I encountered at the game were blaming no one but themselves for the loss! Very little was made of Canavan as an excuse was made or any other incident.
With Connolly getting sent off in the second game. It was going to be a theme the media ran with. The top star getting personal attention.
Brolly, McConville and Dara OSe have written some low punch articles toward Tyrone in the last couple of days. Talk about kicking a team when they are down. GAA seems to be filled with vile begrudgery, malice and revenge. Is there a sport where week in week out, the character of (amateur) players is questioned, ridiculed and systematically analysed to almost a personal level?
Tyrone lost, Mickey made a (true) off the cuff remark. The media get a story - from one line!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 10, 2016, 07:56:52 AM
Darragh - who knows a thing or two about being targeted - gives his tuppence worth
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He's completely missing the point.
We don't want sympathy, what we want is people to be consistent.
Lee Keegan's role in getting Cavanagh sent off has been completely airbrushed by the pundits and journalists, had it been Aidan O'Shea has dismissed we would no doubt have journalists and pundits hand wringing about the role of McCarron and McNamee in it.
As for Darragh O'Se, he spent most of his games against Tyrone trying to get under the skin of Cavanagh so he's a good man talking.
Cavanagh got Cavanagh sent off. Nobody else
Then he uses the media again to ensure no one at county board or other level decides to tap him on the shoulder and tell him that like many long running GAA managers before him, he has done well but now is the time for change to move things on. Long running managers in other counties have always failed to bring back All Ireland success and their counties are now bumping song the bottom, with Meath and Down coming to mind.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/08/10/news/mickey-harte-begins-plotting-for-2017-645014/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/08/10/news/mickey-harte-begins-plotting-for-2017-645014/)
P.S. looks like his time in Mayo has badly affected Tony Mac! (photo in this article)
A balanced article?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html)
What the hell is an AOXI?
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2750916.1470789011!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
Knee in opponents chest - yellow card.
Pulling opponents jersey - black card.
Goading the Mayo supporters - that's ok.
The pictures don't lie lads.
Unless they are photoshopped....
Pulling an opponents jersey is NOT a black card. Jaysus.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 10, 2016, 01:32:42 PM
A balanced article?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html)
A very unbalanced article.
The premise seems to be that certain people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones while others should be allowed.
Tyrone have has a lot levelled at them throughout th years with regard their their perceived underhand ways, they have to defend themselves in this regard as it is patently absurd to claim we aren't the only ones who do this.
I think Mickey's point is that Sean Cavanagh was on the wrong hand of these underhand tactics on Saturday for pretty much the whole match, yet when it's a Tyrone player on the end of them there is no problem.
I remember Tom O'Sullivan spending the whole 05 final trying to rile Canavan into hitting him. I recall Darragh O'Se doing the same to Cavanagh in the 08 final. Nothing was made of these incidents but plenty was made about how Ricey behaved in those games. The lazy and prejudiced bias when it comes to reporting on Northern teams, in particular Tyrone is there for all to see.
If Mayo fans really believe Keegan is a clean defender who doesn't cross the line to get opponents booked then I'd suggest they should see a shrink.
I didn't note Mike Quirke coming our and calling Fitzmaurice a hypocrite when he said Donaghy was getting raped and pillaged in a semi final when Aidan O'Mahony and Peter Crowley had crossed every line there had been in the past two years and Donaghy was no stranger to delving into the dark arts.
The media can't help but have digs at Harte calling put their bias.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2016, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 10, 2016, 01:32:42 PM
A balanced article?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/latest-gaa-provocation-controversy-just-another-case-of-blind-parochialism-415039.html)
If Mayo fans really believe Keegan is a clean defender who doesn't cross the line to get opponents booked then I'd suggest they should see a shrink.
Any recommendations?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2016, 01:45:00 PM
Pulling an opponents jersey is NOT a black card. Jaysus.
It is if he falls over.
No it isn't. It's only a black card if you pull him to the ground.
That's what I said!
You said if he falls over. I'd have to be dragging you down holding onto the jersey. If I let it go and you fall over, it's not a black.
Shouldn't you be counting handpasses?
Shit, you made me lose count. Was that 197, or 198?
I had to laugh at the headline on the online version of the Cavanagh story on the Indo website.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/)
'Cavanagh demands protection as Meath appoint McEntee'
;D ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
No it isn't. It's only a black card if you pull him to the ground.
Depends who is reffing!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2016, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
No it isn't. It's only a black card if you pull him to the ground.
Depends who is reffing!
Well that's probably true, but that just means the ref is wrong :)
Bomber, time to take a deep breath and let it go. We lost that game ourselves and, yes, Keegan was acting the imp but down at the other end in the same feckin' game some of our full backs were doing the same.
If you give it out, you take it like a man.
Set the sights on 2017 and division one football. Free taker and fresh options in FF line number are our priorities.
Good luck to the Mayo bucks on the 21st August (or should that be 18th September ;) )
i think there something in the fact that ever one is talking about the intimidation and brutalizing of Wee seanie canvanagh while no one seems to have notice the obviously premediated campaign to Goad and kick Diarmaid o connor out of the game . he was constanly being dragged shoulded and hit and abused off the ball but because he made light of it and didn't Squeal like a baby it is completely ignored and people only comment that he didn't have a great game
There's a bad smell following Mayo about.
Time this page was closed.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 10, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
i think there something in the fact that ever one is talking about the intimidation and brutalizing of Wee seanie canvanagh while no one seems to have notice the obviously premediated campaign to Goad and kick Diarmaid o connor out of the game . he was constanly being dragged shoulded and hit and abused off the ball but because he made light of it and didn't Squeal like a baby it is completely ignored and people only comment that he didn't have a great game
He was also smashing into fellas leading with his elbow and then dragging them off the ground as they lay injured.
Of course that might not fall in with your theory.
Keep bitching Bomber we all laughing at you at this stage, you could be a racehorse the size of blinkers you got on
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Keep bitching Bomber we all laughing at you at this stage, you could be a racehorse the size of blinkers you got on
I bring balance into my posts, something that is lost on others.
The whinging out of Tyrone is laughable. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Sean Cavanagh crying about fair play is very rich considering what he has been involved in himself. He and his teammates have subjected opposition to plenty of abuse over the years and now they don't like it when it's thrown back at them. Grow up and get your own house in order before crying about the opposition. Tyrone got a taste of their own medicine and not before time. Lee Keegan roasted Cavanagh the last day and it sounds like Sean didn't like it and has resorted to the sore loser routine. Again, grow up. This kind of antagonism has always been there in the GAA and won't be going away anytime soon. The best players pick themselves up and get on with it. We all know what the likes of Conor McManus get subjected to on and off the ball on and they just get on with it. In fact, McManus was interviewed about the incident in Croke Park a couple of years ago where he was dragged down by Sean Cavanagh and he took the thing on the chin like a man and didn't start crying and doing the woe is me nonsense. Likewise, i havent heard Diarmuid O'Connor crying to the media about the sledging and manhandling he was subjected to by the Tyrone players. Neither The Gooch or Bernard Brogan or the many other big name players who come in for rough treatment. Cavanagh and Harte might want to take a leaf out of the opposition's book and handle themselves with a bit more dignity.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Keep bitching Bomber we all laughing at you at this stage, you could be a racehorse the size of blinkers you got on
I bring balance into my posts, something that is lost on others.
You are a perfectly well-balanced individual.
You got a chip on both shoulders.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 10, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
The whinging out of Tyrone is laughable. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Sean Cavanagh crying about fair play is very rich considering what he has been involved in himself. He and his teammates have subjected opposition to plenty of abuse over the years and now they don't like it when it's thrown back at them. Grow up and get your own house in order before crying about the opposition. Tyrone got a taste of their own medicine and not before time. Lee Keegan roasted Cavanagh the last day and it sounds like Sean didn't like it and has resorted to the sore loser routine. Again, grow up. This kind of antagonism has always been there in the GAA and won't be going away anytime soon. The best players pick themselves up and get on with it. We all know what the likes of Conor McManus get subjected to on and off the ball on and they just get on with it. In fact, McManus was interviewed about the incident in Croke Park a couple of years ago where he was dragged down by Sean Cavanagh and he took the thing on the chin like a man and didn't start crying and doing the woe is me nonsense. Likewise, i havent heard Diarmuid O'Connor crying to the media about the sledging and manhandling he was subjected to by the Tyrone players. Neither The Gooch or Bernard Brogan or the many other big name players who come in for rough treatment. Cavanagh and Harte might want to take a leaf out of the opposition's book and handle themselves with a bit more dignity.
Why has there not been the same coverage given to other team's cynical play and gamesmanship as there is to ours when the likes of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are every bit as bad if not worse than us at it?
That is the crux of the problem.
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Oisin McConville hits the nail on the head with his usual accuracy:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/oisin-mcconville/o39isin-mcconville-mayo-give-tyrone-dose-of-own-medicine-with-masterclass-414670.html)
Dunno about nail on head, mostly just a load of aul shite. Hardly a 'masterclass', Mayo played well, but Tyrone had plenty of chances to win it, thought their game plan was OK, just far too many wides.
From a Mayo point of view (well some of us - not all will agree), it was a bit of a 'masterclass'. No Mayo team has ever done that before.
I doubt any Tyrone supporter thought they would lose this game. Mayo is not supposed to play like that, and the fact that we did and won is probably the most thing that is annoying Harte and his players. He choose to deflect from that though. I suspect that being beaten by a johnny-come-lately is annoying him, players and some Tyrone supporters here also.
I suspect Harte became very conservative to beat McGuinesses's Donegal in Ulster. But, hey! Kerry, Dublin and Mayo were well schooled by McGuiness as well! Even Mayo, has eventually copped on, belatedly, and manage to put out a half decent conservative game.
Some reckon Mayo were better a few years ago. I'm not convinced the Horan's Mayo of 2014 would have beaten Tyrone the last day. Tyrone squeezed us that day in 2014 and we squealed before eventually nailing it. Last Saturday was a much better Tyrone team. Last Saturday was also a much more considered, tactical, and hugely better Mayo performance than 2014.
The reality now though is that Dublin has the best defensive system in place - even with 3 of their best defenders missing.
Yeah, this was the major positive I think; all else is relative but no one can say that Rochford lost the battle of wits and tactical acumen with Harte.
I too think that no Mayo team I've ever seen did that before.
James Horan worked wonders in turning Mayo into one of the top teams in the land but he was clueless when it came to making switches and substitutions.
The 2013 final was there for the taking if anybody on the sideline knew anything about tactics and the need to make changes as the game developed. The semis of 2014/15 were there for the taking also if only the buckos on the sideline were able to make a stab at reading the game.
You could go back to the Stone Age and you wouldn't find a Mayo managers that could spot the need to make changes let alone do something about it.
(Well, that's how it seemed to me.)
Rochy earned his corn last Saturday and I presume Tony McEntee had a part to play in proceedings as well. 10/10 to both.
Roll on the good times!
I don't buy into this "tactical masterclass" craic (not your words I know) - if those late chances had fallen to Harte / Donnelly, would it still have been a tactical masterclass? Or would he have been a useless bollix?
Granted, the switches beforehand were very good but I didn't see anything in-game that was special or game changing. If anything, I thought DOC should have been subbed 20 minutes earlier than he was.
FFS, and Harte decides he's staying on! Calling the panel together and planning for next year! At what stage does someone say thanks for your great service but please step aside and let someone in with fresh ideas!
County board are obviously powerless!
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2016, 04:38:00 PM
There's a bad smell following Mayo about.
That's always there.
Of all of the many words written in the media especially by those who have played the game at the highest levels, some must ring through for Tyrone.
First of all the attachment to the system at all costs has taken away the individual magic and creativity that previously won games for Tyrone when they had better players across the board but particularly in the forward line such as Canavan and Mulligan. It has allowed Harte to make the most of his meagre resources, i.e. lack of top class players that would walk onto any side.
The lack of depth in the panel has been exposed on two counts, firstly when the best player you can bring on when a score is needed is McNulty, it is not a good sign, he is a very good club player but not someone who can win a match. Secondly, the small group of forwards are all the same, there is no difference in O'Neill, McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, the u21 players introduced this year (Monroe, McGeary, etc). All relatively small stature, needing the ball placed in their hands and a poor conversion percentage especially when up against good backs and a double sweeper system.
Unless a top class free taker or two of them for each side of the pitch then scoring will remain a challenge when a free from 40 metres in should be a certain score except in inclement circumstances. Scoring percentage will remain too low. Stop using Morgan, when he starts missing, he continues. Stop kicking the ball into the goalkeepers arms, surely any forward should have the strength and technique to kick a ball over 45m.
Only Donnelly, Harte and Sludden are players who would walk onto any team. The Cavanagh's are in their twilight periods and should be used as impact players. Note how O'Shea just swatted Colm aside. Though Sean would probably walk away unless guaranteed a place in championship football.
The Tyrone conveyor belt is not quite broken but it is now producing the same type of player over and over again. All coached in the same way and generally bereft of the creativity, imagination and football intelligence that the best of the past possessed and allowed them to be match winners. Development squads are not working in producing individual genius that is needed for match winners.
Clean up your act at every level, the persecution complex as displayed by managers, some players and supporters is best treated somehow. There has been too many recorded instances of unacceptable behaviour by Tyrone players that has been at best condoned by managers and at worst developed by some coaches for a reliable reputation to have been developed that affects those who are disciplined, such as Harte, Donnelly, etc. when dealing with other teams and officials.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 10, 2016, 08:02:01 PM
Of all of the many words written in the media especially by those who have played the game at the highest levels, some must ring through for Tyrone.
First of all the attachment to the system at all costs has taken away the individual magic and creativity that previously won games for Tyrone when they had better players across the board but particularly in the forward line such as Canavan and Mulligan. It has allowed Harte to make the most of his meagre resources, i.e. lack of top class players that would walk onto any side.
The lack of depth in the panel has been exposed on two counts, firstly when the best player you can bring on when a score is needed is McNulty, it is not a good sign, he is a very good club player but not someone who can win a match. Secondly, the small group of forwards are all the same, there is no difference in O'Neill, McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, the u21 players introduced this year (Monroe, McGeary, etc). All relatively small stature, needing the ball placed in their hands and a poor conversion percentage especially when up against good backs and a double sweeper system.
Unless a top class free taker or two of them for each side of the pitch then scoring will remain a challenge when a free from 40 metres in should be a certain score except in inclement circumstances. Scoring percentage will remain too low. Stop using Morgan, when he starts missing, he continues. Stop kicking the ball into the goalkeepers arms, surely any forward should have the strength and technique to kick a ball over 45m.
Only Donnelly, Harte and Sludden are players who would walk onto any team. The Cavanagh's are in their twilight periods and should be used as impact players. Note how O'Shea just swatted Colm aside. Though Sean would probably walk away unless guaranteed a place in championship football.
The Tyrone conveyor belt is not quite broken but it is now producing the same type of player over and over again. All coached in the same way and generally bereft of the creativity, imagination and football intelligence that the best of the past possessed and allowed them to be match winners. Development squads are not working in producing individual genius that is needed for match winners.
Clean up your act at every level, the persecution complex as displayed by managers, some players and supporters is best treated somehow. There has been too many recorded instances of unacceptable behaviour by Tyrone players that has been at best condoned by managers and at worst developed by some coaches for a reliable reputation to have been developed that affects those who are disciplined, such as Harte, Donnelly, etc. when dealing with other teams and officials.
Cheers for the advice. Inspirational stuff.....So in summary, find bigger forwards, get someone who can kick frees, get more players who can kick points and don't kick the ball into the keepers hands. Could you put that in a PowerPoint for us?
There are people who could rock the hell out of this debate and i really wish they would. Animals , scum.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
There are people who could rock the hell out of this debate and i really wish they would. Animals , scum.
What's the debate? Do you think your posts are adding to a sensible debate Larry? There's some amount of sanctimonious shite being written on this thread at this stage. People are picking on one comment from Mickey Harte after the game, a few minor incidents during the game and a few posts from people on here to label Tyrone people as whingers, scum, sick in the head, animals, a disgrace to decency and others giving advice about cleaning up their act, people also calling into question Hartes devout Catholicism etc and you think this is a debate?? The vast majority of Tyrone fans have accepted the defeat with grace, wished Mayo well and have moved on to try and figure out why a promising season went belly up. You're some buck to be saying anyone should "rock the hell out" (whatever that means) of the debate!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
There are people who could rock the hell out of this debate and i really wish they would. Animals , scum.
WTF The sorest winner I've come across, truly, grow up FFS (or stay away from the bottle)!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
There are people who could rock the hell out of this debate and i really wish they would. Animals , scum.
WTF The sorest winner I've come across, truly, grow up FFS (or stay away from the bottle)!
......or at least offer it around!
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2016, 08:42:07 PM
There are people who could rock the hell out of this debate and i really wish they would. Animals , scum.
No Kerry people here larry - referring to the animals word in the post...
Indeed muppet, mean oul git! :)
I'm locking this thread, before some buachaillí do themselves a serious injury with nauseating sanctimony overload. You'd swear they'd no semi to be thinking of, but eternally playing the feckin' victim.