Who do we want and who will we get?
I think very little will separate Leitrim and Ros in Carrick on May 30/31. Roscommon's indifferent league form means they don't have the form to blow Leitrim away and if it becomes a battle, well the Leitrims will love that, against a county they hate, with home advantage. A win for Leitrim and they will be buoyant. And M&M will be back to take on Mayo so there's nothing to be complacent about with that one.
And if the Rossies win, it will erase much of the poor confidence after the league. And boy o boy will they love a crack at Mayo. Either way talk of a Connacht final is premature I think.
How will we line out? Still question marks over 6. Howley was there on Sunday but I still reckon Cunniffe is in pole position. Where will Keith Higgins go, if he makes the team? In for Kevin McLoughlin, who is not quite on his game, at corner-back? Or in at left-half back in place of Donal Vaughan? The half-forward line and midfield looks settled as do Barry Moran and O'Shea inside. But will Andy Moran start ahead of Conor Mortimer? Plenty to ponder.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
Who do we want and who will we get?
I think very little will separate Leitrim and Ros in Carrick on May 30/31. Roscommon's indifferent league form means they don't have the form to blow Leitrim away and if it becomes a battle, well the Leitrims will love that, against a county they hate, with home advantage. A win for Leitrim and they will be buoyant. And M&M will be back to take on Mayo so there's nothing to be complacent about with that one.
And if the Rossies win, it will erase much of the poor confidence after the league. And boy o boy will they love a crack at Mayo. Either way talk of a Connacht final is premature I think.
How will we line out? Still question marks over 6. Howley was there on Sunday but I still reckon Cunniffe is in pole position. Where will Keith Higgins go, if he makes the team? In for Kevin McLoughlin, who is not quite on his game, at corner-back? Or in at left-half back in place of Donal Vaughan? The half-forward line and midfield looks settled as do Barry Moran and O'Shea inside. But will Andy Moran start ahead of Conor Mortimer? Plenty to ponder.
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Normally Barney is first to start the Mayo game threads... :o :D
Lets get real for a second, I dont think that talk of a Connaught final is premature. If we cant beat the Rossies or Lettrim convincingly then we kidding ourselves and we are going nowhere.
For my tuppence worth, I think Cuinneffe has done enough to start at 6 but he may not last the year. I dont think he is good enough defensively, he doesnt mark, stop or tackle enough to be an effective centre back. I think he is still there by hard work and a certain amount of luck as people seem to rate him highly as he looks good coming onto a ball and racing up the pitch. He may be found out soon but I hope im proven wrong. I reckon we could see Howley there at some stage this year if he can stay fit.
I cant see Keith Higgins breaking onto it this early. The defence is working Ok as a unit and I think if Keith was thrown in it could upset the balance. None of the defenders have done anything wrong to get dropped but they have yet to be tested and perhaps thats when Keith will get his chance.
Im not convinced with Kevin McLoughlin at corner-back yet. He doesnt seem to play with much confidence. Donal Vaughan doenst inspire me either lately but these lads are young and should get the benefit of the doubt I guess.
The Moran, O Se experiment looks set to continue. Id say there is sheer panic in the full back lines that try and compete with high balls against those two. But there both very similar and I think that two more natural scorers working off a big man inside is more effective, but time will tell.
An oversight on my behalf, forgot Barney usually starts these! mea cupla
Don't get me wrong I think we should beat either Roscommon or Leitrim but, and I don't wanna sound like O'Mahony here believe me, I think it can be dangerous to look past either of the two teams. Its not that long ago that we were struggling in the early part of the league and the Rossies were flying and people were very worried about that potential fixture. Has the earth spun that much since?
suprrised to hear mcloughlin not playing well in corner, would prefer to see him at no.7 personally.
Keith higgins will def start. No doubt. conor may be left in reserve.
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The Moran, O Se experiment looks set to continue. Id say there is sheer panic in the full back lines that try and compete with high balls against those two. But there both very similar and I think that two more natural scorers working off a big man inside is more effective, but time will tell.
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I was at the game on Sunday, and I would guess that this experiment is over. Moran does not have the mobilty for today's intercounty football. Really very dissapointing against New York, and quiet frankly it will not get any easier. If he was going to deliver at this level, Sunday was taylor made. O Shea has a lot of potential, but once outside 25-30 yards tends to opt for a low percentage outside of the boot kick when going for points.
For the record, Trevor Mortimer shooting was to say the least abysmal on Sunday, missed 1-4 in the second-half alone, shots for points were for the most part uncontested, shot for goal straight and high at goalie. I love his effort, but my feeling is that opposing defenders will back off him and let him shoot.
It is my belief that Mayo's lack of point scoring threat from 30+ yards out will haunt us later this year. We have two of three natural scoring forwards, not enough when push comes to shove.
Obviously the team and management's focus has to be 100% on Leitrim/Ros, not on Galway. Assuming they get that right, I'd be very confident we'll be in the Connacht Final.
McLoughlin has great potential and was the main man for the U-21s this year. I'd like to see him in the corner for this game, but if his form lets him down, Keith Higgins is a great option to call on (if his fitness levels are up to scratch). Liam O'Malley has been there throughout the league and deserves the other corner spot.
I'd agree that Cunniffe is still in pole position for CHB. He was there throughout the league and wasn't really given the runaround in any of the games, and did a very good job on Joyce in the Galway match. Like Abbeysider, I wouldn't have been be too confident about his ability to be a tough CHB who makes the position his own, hits hard and stops opposition attacks. He seems to let opposition run by him a bit too often. But the defence that played throughout the league did very well as a unit and have earned the right to start on 20th May. As well as that, Howley is only recovering from a long-term injury so easing him back would be no harm.
Vaughan seems to have lost form (or had up to NY game anyway), even in the U-21 semi v Down he was very loose I thought. I think Heaney or Keith Higgins could be in line for a start here.
Not surprised to hear what joemamas had to say about T Mort in NY. He's a great worker and always gives it 100% but for a forward who's been on the senior panel for around 10 years, his shooting and passing are very poor. I'm far from convinced that putting him in CHF, such a pivotal playmaker position, is a wise decision. To me, he'd be 10 or 12, and used to win breaking ball around midfield, help out the half backs when required etc He will work himself into the ground, which is what is needed for that role.
Dillon seems like he'd be well suited to CHF, but when he's been put there he doesn't seem to play as well as out on the wing. So I'd have Harte at CHF, with Dillon and T Mort either side. If we had another option at midfield, I think Parsons has the makings of a very good CHF.
Disappointing to hear B Moran and O'Shea experiment didn't really work - I thought this could be a really big plus for us this year. Since we don't have forwards who can regularly score from 30 yards+, getting quick ball into the FF line is the obvious way of picking up scores. It might just need more work in training to get this gameplan working. If not, O'Shea will be the target man and I'd say Andy Moran and C Mort will be either side of him. JOM always seems to find a place for Andy, so he may nudge out AOM, who would be a bit unlucky since he played almost every game in the league I think.
Quote from: joemamas on May 14, 2009, 02:11:34 AM
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The Moran, O Se experiment looks set to continue. Id say there is sheer panic in the full back lines that try and compete with high balls against those two. But there both very similar and I think that two more natural scorers working off a big man inside is more effective, but time will tell.
I was at the game on Sunday, and I would guess that this experiment is over.
Moran does not have the mobilty for today's intercounty football. Really very dissapointing against New York, and quiet frankly it will not get any easier. If he was going to deliver at this level, Sunday was taylor made. O Shea has a lot of potential, but once outside 25-30 yards tends to opt for a low percentage outside of the boot kick when going for points.
For the record, Trevor Mortimer shooting was to say the least abysmal on Sunday, missed 1-4 in the second-half alone, shots for points were for the most part uncontested, shot for goal straight and high at goalie. I love his effort, but my feeling is that opposing defenders will back off him and let him shoot.
It is my belief that Mayo's lack of point scoring threat from 30+ yards out will haunt us later this year. We have two of three natural scoring forwards, not enough when push comes to shove.
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Moran must be minding the hamstring so. Lack of mobility was never an issue with him. Was he stuck in the 15 corner? Part of a 2 man inside line? I d prefer to see him at 14 with O Sé playing wider than the other way around. Moran s good form of 2 years ago too vital if he can reproduce it. I d stick with him. I m afraid we ll have to put up with Trevor s faults at this stage but you d expect him to wise up a bit on the wild shooting.
Quote from: moysider on May 14, 2009, 10:50:25 AM
Moran must be minding the hamstring so. Lack of mobility was never an issue with him. Was he stuck in the 15 corner? Part of a 2 man inside line? I d prefer to see him at 14 with O Sé playing wider than the other way around. Moran s good form of 2 years ago too vital if he can reproduce it. I d stick with him. I m afraid we ll have to put up with Trevor s faults at this stage but you d expect him to wise up a bit on the wild shooting.
and soloing, and passing....
Tbh I think its a bit ridiculous what people are saying about Keith Higgins. He'd be one of the first men on the team sheet for me. He is better than either of the corner backs and either of the wing backs that played against NY. He's been consistently our best player over the last 2 years and captained the U21s to glory. We need leaders and our best players on the pitch. Remember he didn't travel to NY to play with the hurlers so he probably got just as tough a game at home. He will start the Connacht final (if we get there) so he should start this game. The only issue is where to play him.
As for the rest I think our midfield and half forwards are fairly settled although like most I'd have Harte at CHF and Trev on the wing.
Up front we could well see Andy, Barry and Austie in the FF line. I think O'Sé have the LC around that time and Mort might n't be up to full fitness
QuoteTbh I think its a bit ridiculous what people are saying about Keith Higgins. He'd be one of the first men on the team sheet for me. He is better than either of the corner backs and either of the wing backs that played against NY. He's been consistently our best player over the last 2 years and captained the U21s to glory. We need leaders and our best players on the pitch. Remember he didn't travel to NY to play with the hurlers so he probably got just as tough a game at home. He will start the Connacht final (if we get there) so he should start this game. The only issue is where to play him
The only reason I wouldn't start him is lack of match fitness and match practice. He's only back from Australia a few weeks. I don't know if he was keeping himself fit over there, but it's probably safe to assume he was taking it easy enough. And even if he was going for runs etc, he wasn't playing football. I'm sure it would take more than a couple of week's training to bring him back up to the standard to be playing a full 70 mins of intercounty championship football.
I'd imagine he'll play some of the match, so it's a decision on whether to start him and take him off when he tires, or bring him on for the second half or something like that.
Mad Wesht were saying O'Shea should have finished the leaving by the time the semi comes around so hopefully we'll see him. I think B Moran is worth sticking with, he didn't lack any mobility against McCloy up in Derry in 2007, so if he gets sharp again and stays injury free himself and O'Shea could cause chaos in the FF line. With Harte, Dillon and T Mort running off them from the half forward line it could be a good tactic and should create goal chances. This all depends on the lads sticking to the game plan and letting it in long and early to the fir mór and let the 'ladeens' play off them.
NOt sure what game you were at Moran looked very sharp sunday and will have well cemented his place. as will have t howley. cunniffe may well get a jersey but not num 6 i think. A o se will def start too but im not so sure it will be at full forward . he was brought to CHF for a lot of the second half after one of trevors more exotic shhoting days. he was truly woeful on sunday. not sure i ever saw such a bad performance from a man on a winning team. I still think himself and conor should be the corner forwards with moran in the middle.
after sunday my curremey front 6 would be(though ronaldson is probably only excluded by his absence on sunday, with trevor hanging by a thread)
dillon A O Se A moran
Cmort Bmoran Tmort
Barney is probably on Honeymoon?
Didn't he say his wedding interfered with the New York trip / game.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
NOt sure what game you were at Moran looked very sharp sunday and will have well cemented his place. as will have t howley. cunniffe may well get a jersey but not num 6 i think. A o se will def start too but im not so sure it will be at full forward . he was brought to CHF for a lot of the second half after one of trevors more exotic shhoting days. he was truly woeful on sunday. not sure i ever saw such a bad performance from a man on a winning team. I still think himself and conor should be the corner forwards with moran in the middle.
after sunday my curremey front 6 would be(though ronaldson is probably only excluded by his absence on sunday, with trevor hanging by a thread)
dillon A O Se A moran
Cmort Bmoran Tmort
Looked very sharp..? Against who? ::)
Whatever can be taken from league form, nothing can be taken from walloping a team like New York.
I wouldnt say any positions would be guaranteed after a match like that. They shouldnt really pose much of a test for Mayo so you cant really tell much from it.
Quote from: highorlow on May 14, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Barney is probably on Honeymoon?
Didn't he say his wedding interfered with the New York trip / game.
I thought he said he was having his wedding deferred because of the NY trip. We need clarification.
Nobody has mentioned Harte in dispatches back to the old world. Scored 1-1 and had an assist in O Sé s goal. Mid-west identified him as being to the fore in the awakening after the sluggish start. Pat Holmes ( for whatever his opinion is worth) had him man of match but curiously no mention from those present here. The local papers were happy enough with him it has to be said. Yet one contributer on here is going to drop him for the next match I wonder.
Quote from: moysider on May 15, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 14, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Barney is probably on Honeymoon?
Didn't he say his wedding interfered with the New York trip / game.
I thought he said he was having his wedding deferred because of the NY trip. We need clarification.
Nobody has mentioned Harte in dispatches back to the old world. Scored 1-1 and had an assist in O Sé s goal. Mid-west identified him as being to the fore in the awakening after the sluggish start. Pat Holmes ( for whatever his opinion is worth) had him man of match but curiously no mention from those present here. The local papers were happy enough with him it has to be said. Yet one contributer on here is going to drop him for the next match I wonder.
Apparently he had a stormer - but it was only New York, I've no doubt that he'll play a big part with Mayo this year. He's been a class act for years and everyone who watched come through underage back the park knew he'd make it at the highest level. His performance in the All Ireland semi final against Dublin shows that he's already proved himself at the highest level.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
NOt sure what game you were at Moran looked very sharp sunday and will have well cemented his place. as will have t howley. cunniffe may well get a jersey but not num 6 i think. A o se will def start too but im not so sure it will be at full forward . he was brought to CHF for a lot of the second half after one of trevors more exotic shhoting days. he was truly woeful on sunday. not sure i ever saw such a bad performance from a man on a winning team. I still think himself and conor should be the corner forwards with moran in the middle.
after sunday my curremey front 6 would be(though ronaldson is probably only excluded by his absence on sunday, with trevor hanging by a thread)
dillon A O Se A moran
Cmort Bmoran Tmort
I know you were there Ros and I wasn't but did Trevor Howley not get taken for four points from play by his direct opponent? Against any centre-half forward that would be worrying. Against New York its cat bad so it is. Cunniffe is ahead of him, at present. Also, and again I know you were present and I wasn't, but everyone I've spoken to who was at the game was full of praise for Harte. Surely if you can acknowledge that B Moran was sharp the last day, you can do likewise for Harte, no? I've always said Harte wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in this Mayo team BECAUSE of what O'Mahony might do, but that he should be on the best Mayo XV. He looks now like he will be.
QuoteLooked very sharp..? Against who?
who would you have like to see him look sharp against on sunday? you can only beat the team your upagainst on any given sunday. my words were merely in his defense?
As for harte he was his usual self . got a couple of high profile score but should have seen the line twice in the 1st half . if he cant hold it together against NY he nots not the man to be looking to when times are tougher.
If needed best used sparingly as an impact sub but lacks the present of mind to be a serious contender. I was hoping we had got over the 'but he was a great minor' mindset
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2009, 01:01:55 AM
QuoteLooked very sharp..? Against who?
who would you have like to see him look sharp against on sunday? you can only beat the team your upagainst on any given sunday. my words were merely in his defense?
As for harte he was his usual self . got a couple of high profile score but should have seen the line twice in the 1st half . if he cant hold it together against NY he nots not the man to be looking to when times are tougher.
If needed best used sparingly as an impact sub but lacks the present of mind to be a serious contender. I was hoping we had got over the 'but he was a great minor' mindset
Mayos pisspoor starts did not begin with Howleys return. and he definetly took time to settle but when he did he looked rock solid. more than ive ever though about Cunniffe. Howley is an out and out defender . where as cunniffe like Gardener is very fond of going forward which is fine at wing back but then wherefore higgins?
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2009, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2009, 01:01:55 AM
QuoteLooked very sharp..? Against who?
who would you have like to see him look sharp against on sunday? you can only beat the team your upagainst on any given sunday. my words were merely in his defense?
As for harte he was his usual self . got a couple of high profile score but should have seen the line twice in the 1st half . if he cant hold it together against NY he nots not the man to be looking to when times are tougher.
If needed best used sparingly as an impact sub but lacks the present of mind to be a serious contender. I was hoping we had got over the 'but he was a great minor' mindset
Mayos pisspoor starts did not begin with Howleys return. and he definetly took time to settle but when he did he looked rock solid. more than ive ever though about Cunniffe. Howley is an out and out defender . where as cunniffe like Gardener is very fond of going forward which is fine at wing back but then wherefore higgins?
In his last two league games Cunniffe was given a marking brief on the centre-half forward and kept both Padraig Joyce and Brian McGuigan quiet. Up to that he had been allowed roam too much. Can't agree with you on Harte . . .
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2009, 01:01:55 AM
I was hoping we had got over the 'but he was a great minor' mindset
There's no harm in anyone saying that they knew a young fella was a serious footballer when underage - especailly when espousing one that has natural talent. He's stood up for his county on bigger days then the first round in New York, bit insulting to question his presence of mind at this stage.
I'd swear he's riding your wife :P
Andy moran will not be at no. 12. Barry moran should be playing more centrally than O'Shea in the full forward line.
JOM is not going to change trev from no.11 yet.
However if my team for nxt game would be:
David Clarke
Keith Higgins Ger Cafferkey Kevin McLoughlin
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley Tom Cunniffe
Ronan McGarrity Seamus O'Shea
Pat Harte Tom Parsons Trevor Mortimer
Alan Dillon
Aidan O'Shea Barry Moran
Of course Liam O'Malley will start and he deserves to but not sure will he last the year. When's he playing well he is worth a spot there.
David Heaney could be pushing Cunniffe on that team i picked. There is room to move the backs around.
Serious ball winners around midfield, you have the 4 midfielders who can win clean ball in the air and trev for scrappy breaks.
Alan dillon probably the cutest guy to have in around 2 lads, doesnt need to stay in ff line. Parsons could do damage at no.11 running at defences.
Quote from: stephenite on May 15, 2009, 01:23:48 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 15, 2009, 01:01:55 AM
I was hoping we had got over the 'but he was a great minor' mindset
There's no harm in anyone saying that they knew a young fella was a serious footballer when underage - especailly when espousing one that has natural talent. He's stood up for his county on bigger days then the first round in New York, bit insulting to question his presence of mind at this stage.
I'd swear he's riding your wife :P
wouldnt suprise me if he was.
if you saw the 2 incidents im talking about you couldn't argue . real rush of blood to the head.
anyway im not in the budiness of slagging off mayo players unnecessarily and have had my say on harte.
back to austin now
Arrah I'm sure he's not Ros - honestly.
I went down to Mullingar yesterday evening for a look at the challenge match v Westmeath. Firstly, that's some ground St Loman's have - floodlights, decent 'standing stand', full sized pitch beside the main one, and 2 smaller pitches behind the main one.
Anyway, the Mayo team was:
K O'Malley
L O'Malley K Conroy K Higgins
Gardiner Howley Heaney
McGarrity Parsons
B Kelly Dillon Kilkoyne
Sweeney B Moran BJ Padden
Subs (all in 2nd half): T Mort for Dillon, Vaughan for Howley, Clarke for K O'Malley (they were the only subs on the bench)
Firstly, on the CHB debate I think Cunniffe should definitely have the jersey for Ros/Leitrim match. Howley isn't up to speed yet at all based on last night's game. He wasn't the commanding presence you'd expect and was taken off after about 5 or 10 mins of the second half. The more training and match practice he gets, the better he'll be but I don't think he'll be ready for 20th June.
Keith Higgins is in a similar position - he lasted the full match but it wasn't the usual performance you'd get from Higgins. He was playing in the corner which isn't his best position but he was still looser than I'd expect and there weren't the bursts forward at top speed that he's known for. Again, it's just a matter of time. He probably has more of a chance of starting than Howley, since we are short corner backs (even if that's not his best position).
Donal Vaughan came on for Howley in the 2nd half and Heaney went to CHB. Vaughan did pretty well, but wasn't on the ball that often. I thought Heaney had a good game, but tends to commit a few too many clumsy fouls - good job that yellow card rule is gone ;)
Parsons and McGarrity both did well at midfield. They weren't completely dominant but both won some great clean catches at different times and Mayo won most of the breaks as well. Dillon was by far the most dangerous forward I thought, took some lovely points and made very good runs.
Barry Kelly worked very hard. He won a lot of ball, made himself available and won a couple of turnover too. I don't see him starting but he's a useful player on the bench.
Kilkoyne's free taking was good - got one from 45 or 50 metres and a few closer in. He seems to be best receiving a ball around midfield and bursting straight down the middle and taking his point. He did that 3 or 4 times last night, but apart from that he didn't get on much ball in or around the forward lines.
Trev came on for Dillon in the second half, and the first ball he won he kicked straight to a westmeath man with no mayo player anywhere near so I don't know who/where he was aiming for. Apart from that there was one very bad wide, but he did get a nice point as well and put himself about as you'd expect. But if you compare himself and Dillon as CHFs, Dillon won by a country mile. I don't expect Johnno to change it for 20th June though.
Mikey Sweeney got one brilliant point from out on the right wing, but apart from that was pretty anonymous really. Barry Moran won a few good balls at FF but was quickly surrounded by Westmeath defenders. I don't think he was aggressive enough. He was waiting for the ball to come to him, and by the time it did, he managed to win it but was surrounded. He needs to attack the ball when going up for it - he did this once in the second half and won it cleanly and was able to lay it off for a score. This depends on the ball that's played in to him as well obviously, but if he was more aggressive about winning it, we'd get better returns.
BJP didn't see an awful lot of ball. As you'd expect, he was roving around looking for breaks and making himself available to take passes and lay it off, but he wasn't ever threatening.
who won the match tubberman ?
Quotewho won the match tubberman ?
Sorry, rushed off for breakfast and forgot about the result :D
There was no scoreboard but from what a fella near me was saying, Mayo won by a point or two. I think it was something like 16 points to 14, not certain though.
Denis Glennon came on for Westmeath at half time and looked like a man with a point to prove. He kicked a few great points, one from near the end line, a la Graham Geraghty against Dublin a couple of years ago.
It got very misty in the second half and the ball was very slippy so the standard of football dropped quite a lot.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 15, 2009, 09:28:35 AM
Quotewho won the match tubberman ?
Sorry, rushed off for breakfast and forgot about the result :D
There was no scoreboard but from what a fella near me was saying, Mayo won by a point or two. I think it was something like 16 points to 14, not certain though.
Denis Glennon came on for Westmeath at half time and looked like a man with a point to prove. He kicked a few great points, one from near the end line, a la Graham Geraghty against Dublin a couple of years ago.
It got very misty in the second half and the ball was very slippy so the standard of football dropped quite a lot.
:D :D :D yeah it was a great report bar the result missing tubberman thanks for that
RTE gave the result as 0-19 to 0-17 for Mayo
Any word on how the match with Limerick went?
Sorry, meant to post that on the Ros - Leitrim thread.
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on May 15, 2009, 11:19:52 AM
Sorry, meant to post that on the Ros - Leitrim thread.
Rossies getting ahead of themselves shocker!
it amazes me how trevor mort's poor kick passing is tolerated. How any county player in this day and age be could be so poor at kick passing is beyond me. Where is the coaching. He would want to stay behind every night at training and kick 100 kick passes from different distances to someone. Maybe get conor to wait for you and kick it back.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 15, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
it amazes me how trevor mort's poor kick passing is tolerated. How any county player in this day and age be could be so poor at kick passing is beyond me. Where is the coaching. He would want to stay behind every night at training and kick 100 kick passes from different distances to someone. Maybe get conor to wait for you and kick it back.
and soloing and shooting.....
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 15, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
it amazes me how trevor mort's poor kick passing is tolerated. How any county player in this day and age be could be so poor at kick passing is beyond me. Where is the coaching. He would want to stay behind every night at training and kick 100 kick passes from different distances to someone. Maybe get conor to wait for you and kick it back.
...only thet he wouldnt get it back from Conor!!
two quick points - everyone entitled to opinions, but Rosnarun on Harte - well its ridiculous, and I agree, he must have done something really bad to you. Just wish people were a bit fairer. Harte would be No.1 on my team sheet - exactly the type of player we need more of - good hands, speed and athletic, can take a good score from distance. Big flaw is that he overplays the ball too much. Can't understand people mentioning Seamus O'shea as a potential starter - to me he is lucky to be in the panel. Has shown some potential, but has loads to prove at this level.
well then start him...Let him prove his ability. He is a a scrapper, not as skilled as Parsons but more aggresive and hardworking
I also had a doubt about Harte. I still don't like him at mid-field though. I would put him in at no11 as he is more suited to there. I agree with Abbeysider's 'frustrations' about Trevor. How he got the captaincy with all his wildness on the ball is beyond me. He does work hard I know but he's no good at no 11. Put Harte at 11 and maybe leave Trevor at no 10. As for Howley/Cunniffe, hopefully Howley will be fully fit for the June 20th game. If not, let Cunniffe in at no 6, though he likes to attack first, defend secondly. Parsons and McGarrity at midfield.
I think most posters here are in agreement about Trevor and Harte. Both are good players with plenty to offer and 90% of the people would have them on the team. It's also obvious enough to most people that Harte isn't an intercounty midfielder and Trevor isn't an intercounty centre forward. Solution - play Trev on the wing and Harte at CF.
As regards Trevor getting the captaincy. I can see why he got it. He's vocal, aggressive (but not as temperamental as he used to be), he'll give it his all and he'll play if fit. Now I don't think any of our captains over the last couple of years have had all those qualities. Add to that that he is a senior player and a leader I think it's obvious why he was a serious candidate for the job.
I agree with Maradona on Seamus O Sé. Has shown potential but hasn't got enough of a run at senior level to make a case for himself (mainly due to injuries it has to be said). I'd have McGarrity and Parsons ahead of him any day and probably Harte and his brother as well.
they should try seamus o se at midfield v dublin on friday night. I would like to see this line up of midfield and forwards tried out at some stage. S OSe McGarrity
Harte Parson Dillon
C Mort A OSe T Mort
Just think it would have a nice bit of balance to it
i really cant understand why people are constantly putting parsons at CHF. he is Mayo's most natural midfielder in years. he has great hands good vision and is able to distribute well and has the physical wherewithal so why would you move him. he may kick the odd point as a bonus but is far from a natural forward
Certain counties would kill to have hime on their team .
isnt that right sligonian
Quote from: rosnarun on May 18, 2009, 09:17:21 PM
i really cant understand why people are constantly putting parsons at CHF. he is Mayo's most natural midfielder in years. he has great hands good vision and is able to distribute well and has the physical wherewithal so why would you move him.
because of all the traits you have described he also would make a great centre half forward also!
I would like to see him there purely to see how seamus o se would fair at midfield along with mcgarrity. Surely we can get room in our team for the three of them for a game to see how they play together. I think that half forward line i named would be formidable and if o se came through as a foil for mcgarrity we could be in business. but we will never know unless we see them play together
I ve always wanted Parsons tried at chf. He s a great attacking threat and likes of Ó Sé the elder would - if he reaches his potential - give us much needed horsepower in midfield. Of course I think Mac Danger should be still no. 11 and Ó Sé the younger probably will playing there a lot in the future. Trevor is no chf and Harte and Dillon seem to do better on the wings.
Quote from: moysider on May 18, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
I ve always wanted Parsons tried at chf. He s a great attacking threat and likes of Ó Sé the elder would - if he reaches his potential - give us much needed horsepower in midfield. Of course I think Mac Danger should be still no. 11 and Ó Sé the younger probably will playing there a lot in the future. Trevor is no chf and Harte and Dillon seem to do better on the wings.
That's the key Moysider, Dillon in particular and Harte to a lesser extent are our two best options at chf but they don't seem to blossom there. Trevor is a stop gap and one we'll have for the year methinks.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 18, 2009, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 18, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
I ve always wanted Parsons tried at chf. He s a great attacking threat and likes of Ó Sé the elder would - if he reaches his potential - give us much needed horsepower in midfield. Of course I think Mac Danger should be still no. 11 and Ó Sé the younger probably will playing there a lot in the future. Trevor is no chf and Harte and Dillon seem to do better on the wings.
That's the key Moysider, Dillon in particular and Harte to a lesser extent are our two best options at chf but they don't seem to blossom there. Trevor is a stop gap and one we'll have for the year methinks.
Thing is; why are we playing a stop gap at 11 when we still have one of the best 11 s we ve ever produced redundant as far as county is concerned? Apart from Padraig Carney when did we have such a player at 11? I know, I know, but it s time somebody mentioned the elephant in the room again. There was a lot written about him slowing down the game by people who did nt know any better but he s been replaced by a greathearted worker who spills ball, cant solo, kick pass or shoot. And this is the great leap forward. The elephant in the room is in great shape and I know would love to be involved. Whats not to like? Imagine what he could do with the more mature versions of say Harte and Dillon and likes of Parsons, Barry Moran and O Sé. Personally I feel short changed.
I know . . .
mayo need to pick their best players and play a system to suit that personnel. Basically there no reason why parsons, seamus o shea, harte, mcgarrity, aidan o'shea and barry moran cant all play in the same team even though they're all midfielders by trade (harte a wingforward more so in my eyes). Surely rosnarun parsons is a better option at no.11 than trevor. You described his attributes which certainly tick all the boxes for a no.11. He is a far superior footballer than trevor so why not play him there and utilise his attacking skills. Especially when our midfield could do with a grafter and we have a ready made one in Seamus O'Shea. Obviously it might not work but better to try.
You dont see Kerry or Tyrone putting Paul Galvin or Brian Dooher in Centre Forward. Nope they do their grafting from the no.10 position, thats where trevor should be.
I think its fair to say on the big days in Croke Park you need scrappers in the middle. Parsons and Mcgarrity both need a scapper like seamie for example. Otherwise you get run over in midfield. Kerry have the Scanlon, Tyrone had Collie Holmes/ Kevin Hughes. Time we maybe started adopting these models seen as these 2 counties have hogged Sam since 03'.
As one gets older you start to count the championship years harder. The retirement of likes of Jimmy Burke, TJ, Cahill, Ken Mort, Colm Mac, McHale, WJP and others were hard to come to terms with. Talk of rebuilding or different approach is s**** (just ask Down about trying to recreate the past) When you ve got the likes of Nallen, Heaney and he who cannot be named, you use them. McGrath used Baney and Linden well into their mid-thirties and rightly so, cause he knew the likes would nt be along soon again. We re going into another championship again without the best player in the county on board.
In fairness lads, time to move on.
I have always been one of his biggest fans, but to be honest I felt more cheated when MCD was not available in his prime (and in fairness to all, that was not always down to management / others).
he will be a classy player when he is 40....but we really need to be moving on and bringing through the new generation. I believe its becomming more and more a young mans game. McDonald fans - do ye really want to see him brought back as some sort of saviour only to get proof that the years have really caught up and the legacy of magic point V Dublin is replaced by a failure to keep the pace in a connaught championship match.
Whats all this about Parsons not up to midfield? Give the lad a chance, he is still U21!
Simple, play Harte at 11 - performed v well there last year, one of our successes (+ Parsons)
In my opinion, AO'S should never be considered for CHF. Could become an all time great at FF, but not CHF or MF
Quote from: Maradona on May 19, 2009, 09:11:56 AM
In fairness lads, time to move on.
I have always been one of his biggest fans, but to be honest I felt more cheated when MCD was not available in his prime (and in fairness to all, that was not always down to management / others).
he will be a classy player when he is 40....but we really need to be moving on and bringing through the new generation. I believe its becomming more and more a young mans game. McDonald fans - do ye really want to see him brought back as some sort of saviour only to get proof that the years have really caught up and the legacy of magic point V Dublin is replaced by a failure to keep the pace in a connaught championship match.
Whats all this about Parsons not up to midfield? Give the lad a chance, he is still U21!
Simple, play Harte at 11 - performed v well there last year, one of our successes (+ Parsons)
In my opinion, AO'S should never be considered for CHF. Could become an all time great at FF, but not CHF or MF
Short answer, yes. I d take my chances with him. He s in great shape and if likes of PJ and Dooher can so can he. The new generation is coming through anyway - they always do when they re ready. The thing is whether he d improve the team. I happen to think he would. At least it would have been sensible to find out what he still had to offer rather than dismissing him out of hand as a has-been. The point v Dublin does nt matter anymore. I happen to be convinced we would have won 2 more championship matches last year with him. This year s championship is all that counts now and if he improves us by a single point he should be there imo.
I dont think anybody is saying, even suggesting, that Parsons is nt up to it as a midfielder. Maybe we re too caught up with the cult of the midfielder in this county. Essentially they re ball winners, blockers and workhorses. Like second rows in rugby. No 11 is an important position too. One that more successful counties put more emphasis on than we do. Every successful team has top 11. Ogie, Hanahoe,Thomkins, Blaney, Máirtín Beag, Giles, McGuigan were all deadly playmakers. We dont have one( if we did in the 90s we had the rest to have won 2 or more AI s, but for all Maughan s great attributes he simply had nt a coaching mindset, its that simple) but some of us seem to think Parsons has the attributes to do the job. Shows how high a regard we hold him in if we can hope he d fit into that company. Trevor cant do the job. Not convinced Harte can either but better bet than Trevor.
Ciaran Mac is probably my favourite footballer but John O'Mahoney made the right call IMO and I think he should drop Nallen off the panel as well, unless he has an important role on the training ground or the dressing room, beacuse he has no place on an IC football pitch. I've seen plenty of Seamus O'Shea and he simply isn't an IC standard footballer, Mayo supporters need to look at their players in a more analytical fashion IMO.
Quote from: Zulu on May 19, 2009, 05:07:19 PM
Ciaran Mac is probably my favourite footballer but John O'Mahoney made the right call IMO and I think he should drop Nallen off the panel as well, unless he has an important role on the training ground or the dressing room, beacuse he has no place on an IC football pitch. I've seen plenty of Seamus O'Shea and he simply isn't an IC standard footballer, Mayo supporters need to look at their players in a more analytical fashion IMO.
In that case there s no point in persisting with likes of Dooher, Joyce and Dara O Sé either right? Can t argue about Seamus O Sé cause I find it hard to remember when he was last fit and well. When he was right he could play.
QuoteIn that case there s no point in persisting with likes of Dooher, Joyce and Dara O Sé either right?
No, just because some players can play into their mid thirties doesn't mean all can and IMO Joyce will be shown up this summer if he is played at center forward. Dooher is an exception to the rule and Dara is a ball winner rather than a box to box midfielder, so they aren't compareable IMO. Mac is definitely an IC footballer but I don't think he is a guy who is willing into fit a system and you can only carry that type of player if he is a match winner, Mac while exceptional wasn't a Canavan, O'Rourke, Mullins type player, guys who's will to win was such that they were always worth playing.
I don't like the idea of a McGarrity/Seamus O'Shea partnership at midfield, which is what you would have if you put him in and moved Parsons to 11. I think McGarrity is grand as a second midfielder supporting someone else, but I don't honestly think he's good enough to be our lead man. Parsons is such a good player that you'd want to play him everywhere, but I think its best to put him where we need him most, and thats winning ball in midfield, we don't have anyone else even close to his quality in that position imo.
The thing that struck me in Gaelic Park was the sheer physical size of the team from 8 up this year, it must be at least 10 years if not more since we had as many big lads. Even T Mort and A Moran aren't small and when you put them in with Harte, A O'Shea and B Moran, and the two midfielders, that must be one of the biggest combined midfield/forward lines in the country (apart from Dillon who looked tiny in the parade alongside the rest of them). That's a big advantage for us, and probably another good reason to leave Parsons at midfield, we have a big enough forward line without him.
I haven't seen any video of the NY game anywhere so I stuck a few clips on youtube, the quality off my digital camera is hopeless but you'll get the idea. Harte's goal is in there too, which was quality if you haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/CosmoKramer100
Quote from: Zulu on May 19, 2009, 06:14:39 PM
QuoteIn that case there s no point in persisting with likes of Dooher, Joyce and Dara O Sé either right?
No, just because some players can play into their mid thirties doesn't mean all can and IMO Joyce will be shown up this summer if he is played at center forward. Dooher is an exception to the rule and Dara is a ball winner rather than a box to box midfielder, so they aren't compareable IMO. Mac is definitely an IC footballer but I don't think he is a guy who is willing into fit a system and you can only carry that type of player if he is a match winner, Mac while exceptional wasn't a Canavan, O'Rourke, Mullins type player, guys who's will to win was such that they were always worth playing.
l don't really want to get into the ciaran mc debate but how do we know whether he would be willing to fit into the system when he has not even been tried out with the current management. Also don't think your been really fair on the blond when questioning his will to win i have been watching him for years and have never seen a more competetive player .At the end of the day we won't see him again in the mayo jersey
Seen as the McDonald debate has opened once again, I personally would love to see him back. I think he would be a great addition to the team and we probably would win Connacht with him on the team. I honestly don't know what is going on in O'Mahony's head when he is leaving out a great forward that could spray passes, orchestrate openings etc. from the no 11 position. Maybe it's just plain stubbourness on the behalf of the manager. A thing Maughan is probably regretting since 97.
This topic about McDonald will never really be put to bed. Its our own little Saipan story.
I think that the next Mayo manager will have McDonald back if O Mahoney doesnt wait on another year.
Strange when JOM took over he brought back O Neill.
It was actually Mickey Moran who brought back O'Neill. And he played well in Knockmore's win over Breaffy a few weeks ago as well! Bring him back too I say. Afterall he brought back Nallen and Heaney...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 19, 2009, 08:29:50 PM
It was actually Mickey Moran who brought back O'Neill. And he played well in Knockmore's win over Breaffy a few weeks ago as well! Bring him back too I say. Afterall he brought back Nallen and Heaney...
MandM were a stroke of good fortune in 06. If, as the CB executive expected and most Mayo supporters wanted, Johnno had taken over from Maughan in Autumn 05 then it s very unlikely that MacDonald would have figured and neither would have O Neill. That wonderful semi v Dublin we would never have known, but we would nt have had to suffer the grief of the final either and that seems to be more important to some. I think it was a great Summer. Ended badly but shit happens in sport. I d take a repeat this year and any year but not expecting too much to be honest. If, and its a big if, we win Connacht and avoid Kerry/Cork in 1/4 we could make a semi. and that would nt be bad at all in the circumstances. Something for the next guy to build on.
Quotetwo quick points - everyone entitled to opinions, but Rosnarun on Harte - well its ridiculous, and I agree, he must have done something really bad to you. Just wish people were a bit fairer. Harte would be No.1 on my team sheet - exactly the type of player we need more of - good hands, speed and athletic, can take a good score from distance. Big flaw is that he overplays the ball too much.
Re Harte - yes he is excellent but there is no question that he should have got the line against New York and is always liable to hurt us every so often when he is sent off. No question he should be on the team but needs to learn.
Quote from: blast05 on May 19, 2009, 11:43:04 PM
Quotetwo quick points - everyone entitled to opinions, but Rosnarun on Harte - well its ridiculous, and I agree, he must have done something really bad to you. Just wish people were a bit fairer. Harte would be No.1 on my team sheet - exactly the type of player we need more of - good hands, speed and athletic, can take a good score from distance. Big flaw is that he overplays the ball too much.
Re Harte - yes he is excellent but there is no question that he should have got the line against New York and is always liable to hurt us every so often when he is sent off. No question he should be on the team but needs to learn.
There s no arguing with that Blast. Patrick does get done for silly, lazy stuff and - without putting a fine tooth on it - the odd cheap shot. But he s not afraid to get hurt either. I never remember Boylan leave Coyler and others who were fond of cards off his teams, and Mickey Harte wont be dropping Ricey any time soon even though he could be sent off every game he plays. At least Patrick Harte unlikely to resort to bag snatching (gooseing if you prefer).
We ve been too nice for too long. Time we had a few players that could leave a sly one in. We were often on the recieving end. Give the referee a call to make. More often than not they back off. Especially when you get a bit of respect for taking no nonesense. Refs will have no problem sending off a lad from a weaker county but dont dare do so if it involves the big boys. The same craven standards exist at club and schools level as well. Kerry/ Tyrone/Armagh know that. Meath perfected the art of stretching referees and got media onside as well as the no nonesense - tough- but - never- whinge team. It amazes me that when
we have a player that can play a bit and can hurt somebody as well we dont want to know. Surely after nearly 60 years of underachievement with nice teams we should embrace a bit of dark stuff. My only issue with Patrick is that he is too obvious.
The continuing efforts at undermining the team management and young players in the lead up to the championship proper is rather depressing, if not very mayo like.
Mac's not coming back - f**king get over it. ::)
From what i have seen of seamus o shea he is up for it. Couldnt separate him/parsons last yr for the U-21's. Nobody saying parsons not up for midfield. Just think he better option than trevor at no.11 and could do great things for us. If you were to assess Parsons from last yr you would be seeing a lot more ticks in the attacking stats then the defensive.
Crying shame mcD not there, hurts everytime it mentioned. It like Fergie letting Giggsy go and look what can happen - player of the year. CLASS IS PERMANENT so yeah i would put my house on mcD to deliver if called upon
Lads, it's 2 years since McDonald played and he's not going to be playing this year (or any other year in all likelihood).
The panel we have are coming along pretty well, I think everyone was in agreement there were a lot more positives than negatives from this year's league.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of McD's omission, he's not there and there's very little point repeating the same old conversation.
We should be focussing on the players that are there, and who will be playing for us against Leitrim or Ros - that's what the thread it about after all
Quote from: Tubberman on May 20, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
We should be focussing on the players that are there, and who will be playing for us against Leitrim or Ros - that's what the thread it about after all
I concur!
Anyone heading to the challenge match on friday night v dublin?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 20, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of McD's omission, he's not there and there's very little point repeating the same old conversation.
We should be focussing on the players that are there, and who will be playing for us against Leitrim or Ros - that's what the thread it about after all
Well said
As long as we see trevor wearing the no.11 jersey we will continue to harp on about McD unfortunately. Thats the comparator. Trevor doesnt come close to a no.11 so thats why we crave McD and thats why he is being mentioned. Sad but true. So unfortunately its gonna remain relevant until we get someone else in at no.11 who does a better job. For me that is Tom Parsons.
Dublin have named a very strong team for challenge. Ross McConnell put at no.11. Should be an interesting task for our no.6 as he is very physical and can play a bit too. Magee and Whelan at midfield - gonna be physical! Davoren at ff is also a threat, clever footballer, Caf will have a good test there.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 20, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Lads, it's 2 years since McDonald played and he's not going to be playing this year (or any other year in all likelihood).
The panel we have are coming along pretty well, I think everyone was in agreement there were a lot more positives than negatives from this year's league.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of McD's omission, he's not there and there's very little point repeating the same old conversation.
We should be focussing on the players that are there, and who will be playing for us against Leitrim or Ros - that's what the thread it about after all
Nobody likes being a miserable f***** about something but personally I cant be an Uncle Tom about this one.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 20, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
As long as we see trevor wearing the no.11 jersey we will continue to harp on about McD unfortunately. Thats the comparator. Trevor doesnt come close to a no.11 so thats why we crave McD and thats why he is being mentioned. Sad but true. So unfortunately its gonna remain relevant until we get someone else in at no.11 who does a better job. For me that is Tom Parsons.
Dublin have named a very strong team for challenge. Ross McConnell put at no.11. Should be an interesting task for our no.6 as he is very physical and can play a bit too. Magee and Whelan at midfield - gonna be physical! Davoren at ff is also a threat, clever footballer, Caf will have a good test there.
I don't think you can forget McDonald.
I was one of the first on this board to accept the fact that a manager has the sole right to select his panel. In most counties, that is one of the terms under which a manager is appointed; but with absolute control over his side come absolute responsibility to act in the best interests of the county he is being appointed to.
Mayo is no exception.
O'Mahony came along, second time around, with a proven track record of achievement. Mind you, he did point out, right from the beginning, that he could not guarantee overnight success.
He may not have used those every words but his meaning was plain; the road ahead would be tough and progress was going to be slow.
So far, so good...
His first acid test was the manner in which he handled the question of Ciaran McDonald's anticipated return to the fold.
On every possible ground, O'Mahony failed miserably. I doubt if even his mammy would say he came out of that episode with credit.
To me, the fact that McDonald seems to be a bit unstable doesn't come into the picture at all. He is/was/will never be the manager.
The manager has the ultimate say; ergo, the manger carries the can.
Was Mayo football best served by the way in which John O'Mahony announced the retirement of the most charismatic footballer of his generation or did he muck things up to such an extent that Mayo football is still in turmoil?
For as long as McDonald swings a ciotog at a football, Mayo followers will sigh, "Ah, if only...."
Present players are bound to feel the pressure to succeed- if only to get away from the feeling that they are not half the team they could be. Whoever fills the no. 11 spot, knows he will be measured in popular opinion against Crossmolina's favourite son -and will be found wanting.
Really, all of us have a comfort blanket to curl up and suck for a long time to come.
Whenever we finish second, a fate we are well used to, we can only say," Sure, things would have been different if only....."
When one thinks about it, that is a damning indictment of those who take the field and give it their best shot- as I'm sure they all will.
I imagine we do have a stronger panel that we have had for the last couple of years.
Credit given where credit is due.
But as we head into a season for the third time under O'Mahony, I am worried that he seems to be no closer to fielding the best side available to him than he was at the very outset.
I have been following the posts here about Pat Harte with interest. He has been suggested for the no. 11 spot. So have Tom Parsons, Trevor, Alan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all. What about the full forward spot or any position, other than the three already mentioned?
Like Trevor, Andy M is serious danger of losing his amateur status as a Traveller as he is shifted from corner forward to half forward and out to the half backs and back again. Ditto applies to BJ.
I can see us getting through the next game and possibly the following one, although I very much suspect that Liam Sammon is more certain of his first choice 15 than our man is of his.
Once again, this for me will be one of hoping for the best while expecting the worst.
However, I could be wrong!
C'mon on Johnno and prove you are more than a pretty face! ;D
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
QuoteSome of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
woouldn't that also include mc donald as well -twice ??
but in geral i agree As far as im concerned JOM ( who i have slagged pre season) is on his last chance but it is a chance and we can only support him while he is in the job. Ifhe fails again this year lets discuss that then .
while im not trying to say people shouldn't criticize lets keep it realistic and accept the following
until mayo loose this year
Mcdonald wont play nor will kevin oneill, liam mchale or tj killgallon
JOM will be there
Parsons will be midfield withMc garrity
evry thing else is up in the air
Quote from: rosnarun on May 21, 2009, 07:41:39 AM
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
woouldn't that also include mc donald as well -twice ??
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Would it????
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
Not getting in to the debate as to whether he should play or not but of the 15 that started against New York the only players that Mc D wouldn't have played with would be the 4 debutants against new york and Tom Parsons from last year certainly not the majority of the players.
Quote from: small white mayoman on May 21, 2009, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
Not getting in to the debate as to whether he should play or not but of the 15 that started against New York the only players that Mc D wouldn't have played with would be the 4 debutants against new york and Tom Parsons from last year certainly not the majority of the players.
Which is why I specified
'these young fellas'
bring back mickey moran!
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
I'm in agreement with you- that should be the case. It is the only logical thing to do. But the reality is that the divisive effects are still there.
Here on this board, in any Mayo-related topic, the controversy comes up and the sore still rankles. I have said the pressure on young fells to "measure up" is unfair, because in any comparison they will be found wanting. The danger is that in time to come the exploits of Fionn McCumhail will pale in comparison to the alleged heroics of Mc.
Only a sustained successful run will relieve O'Mahony of the blame for failures along the way.
Another pity is that O'M is having difficulties coming up with a settled team.
Whoever plays at no. 11 is always going to be found wanting -unless he turns out to be a genuine FmcG prototype. ;D
BTW, much as I admire MC, I'd still have P Joyce in my team before him. Mc has been a genius okay but he is not without faults.
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
I see where you're coming from Stephenite but would you not think that if these young fellas are that bothered about old men like us grousing behind pseudonyms on the interweb they mightn't have any business playing Championship football against bullies like that fella who, in Joe Brolly's immortal phrase, "put Conor Mortimer in his pocket and fed him on farts"? Would they not be better off at home by the fire, not saying boo to the geese?
Ya i'm sure cafferkey or mcloughlin are too tired anyway after training to be logging in reading this stuff. If they are and they cant handle hearing us folk then county football is not for them.
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
Is that it? Is that the reason he has nt been in the panel? Shocking if true.
Rightly or wrongly McDonald is not in the panel. And he cannot come back at this stage - it would be way too disruptive given all that has happened over the past year (and for anyone who says he came back easily in 2004, that was no where near as big a risk as bringing him back now would be). O'Mahony has made his bed, he's lying in it and his term will live or die by how that decision affected things. But at this stage in the season there is no point in talking about McDonald. We are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think he's gonna be back in and speculating about it is serving no positive purpose at all.
apparently he's bust his knee so i guess that will keep us quiet on the issue i'd say.....
Anyone want to try and name the best mayo team made up of players not currently on the panel. it's nothing to do with having a bash at current players or JOM- just a bit of craic to pass the time.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 21, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Rightly or wrongly McDonald is not in the panel. And he cannot come back at this stage - it would be way too disruptive given all that has happened over the past year (and for anyone who says he came back easily in 2004, that was no where near as big a risk as bringing him back now would be). O'Mahony has made his bed, he's lying in it and his term will live or die by how that decision affected things. But at this stage in the season there is no point in talking about McDonald. We are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think he's gonna be back in and speculating about it is serving no positive purpose at all.
I don't want to get into a battle of semantics with you Sniper, but we're bucks that post on internet message boards. We never serve a positive purpose. :D
I don't think Johnno will bring McDonald back either, for what it's worth. I don't see how bringing him back would be a risk though. I mean, what could happen only they wouldn't win the All-Ireland? I've seen that often enough to take another belt of it, to be honest. I wouldn't like it, but I could take it. I could take it a bit better if I thought we were playing our best team though. I'm funny that way.
In fairness I dont think there are many glaring ommissions from the current although I would question the worth of some included that i doubt will be involved in a years time - and I m not talking about the old brigade. Aidan Higgins should be there. Apart from that its disappointing likes of Conroy, Campbell and Varley have gone off the radar for whatever reason.
I think we all realise we ve seen the last of a certain player. Does nt mean we have to like it especially when it may be because, as somebody else has stated, Johnno did nt like the cut of his jib.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 21, 2009, 10:40:28 PM
apparently he's bust his knee so i guess that will keep us quiet on the issue i'd say.....
Anyone want to try and name the best mayo team made up of players not currently on the panel. it's nothing to do with having a bash at current players or JOM- just a bit of craic to pass the time.
Here ya go!
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/alternative-mayo-xv/
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on May 21, 2009, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 21, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Rightly or wrongly McDonald is not in the panel. And he cannot come back at this stage - it would be way too disruptive given all that has happened over the past year (and for anyone who says he came back easily in 2004, that was no where near as big a risk as bringing him back now would be). O'Mahony has made his bed, he's lying in it and his term will live or die by how that decision affected things. But at this stage in the season there is no point in talking about McDonald. We are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think he's gonna be back in and speculating about it is serving no positive purpose at all.
I don't want to get into a battle of semantics with you Sniper, but we're bucks that post on internet message boards. We never serve a positive purpose. :D
I don't think Johnno will bring McDonald back either, for what it's worth. I don't see how bringing him back would be a risk though. I mean, what could happen only they wouldn't win the All-Ireland? I've seen that often enough to take another belt of it, to be honest. I wouldn't like it, but I could take it. I could take it a bit better if I thought we were playing our best team though. I'm funny that way.
My view is bringing him back will do more harm than good at this stage - and I'm not playing McDonald for that. Too much water under the bridge and too much time away from the squad. As I say let John O'Mahony's term live or die by this decision.
Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2009, 11:01:51 PM
In fairness I dont think there are many glaring ommissions from the current although I would question the worth of some included that i doubt will be involved in a years time - and I m not talking about the old brigade. Aidan Higgins should be there. Apart from that its disappointing likes of Conroy, Campbell and Varley have gone off the radar for whatever reason.
I think we all realise we ve seen the last of a certain player. Does nt mean we have to like it especially when it may be because, as somebody else has stated, Johnno did nt like the cut of his jib.
Of course we/you/whoever doesn't have to like it but I just don't see what bringing it up is going to achieve. Of the other names you mention I'd be disappointed Higgins and Varley haven't been given more of a chance. Its a bit different with the other two bucks.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on May 21, 2009, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
I see where you're coming from Stephenite but would you not think that if these young fellas are that bothered about old men like us grousing behind pseudonyms on the interweb they mightn't have any business playing Championship football against bullies like that fella who, in Joe Brolly's immortal phrase, "put Conor Mortimer in his pocket and fed him on farts"? Would they not be better off at home by the fire, not saying boo to the geese?
Not really - I know that some players read this board on a regular basis - I can't say if any of the young fellas do but it wouldn't surprise me. I'd hope that they wouldn't be bothered by anything that is said but if you hear something regularly enough it's bound to make you stop and think, just human nature really. It doesn't even have to be on the Internet, young Mayo footballers always get their ear bent by well meaning old men like us when they're just walking the street.
Don't get me wrong - I've no problem with anyone giving out shite about his absence if we get knocked in the first or second of the qualifiers, load up and fire away, but can we not leave it until that time?
what players are getting a bashing...??? Let them read away, maybe trev mightnt be too happy but we do say that he is better as a no.10 and not a no.11. Thats about the height of it
How about an alternative 15 so lads? Its simply to pick a team that doesnt include current panel members. I'm not saying these lads should be on the panel or whatever. Just to show really what depth of talent there is in the county.
Here's mine:
Robert Hennelly
Dermot Geraghty Paddy Navin Aidan Higgins
Cathal Freeman David Kilcullen James Burke
Colm Forde Jason Gibbons
Aidan Campbell Ciaran Mcdonald Mickey Mullins
Mickey Conroy Barry Regan Enda Varley
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 11:41:40 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on May 21, 2009, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: stephenite on May 21, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
There's been plenty of 'if only's' over the years Lar - I still think of Kevin O'Neill and where the f**k was he in 1996 - I just feel that as young players are coming through they don't need to be hearing or reading passionate supporters grumble that these young fellas don't really stand a chance because the manager couldn't get along with a player the majority of them never played with.
Some of these lads are the only Mayomen able to run that have Inter county All Ireland medals - let's get behind them, without looking back.
I see where you're coming from Stephenite but would you not think that if these young fellas are that bothered about old men like us grousing behind pseudonyms on the interweb they mightn't have any business playing Championship football against bullies like that fella who, in Joe Brolly's immortal phrase, "put Conor Mortimer in his pocket and fed him on farts"? Would they not be better off at home by the fire, not saying boo to the geese?
Not really - I know that some players read this board on a regular basis - I can't say if any of the young fellas do but it wouldn't surprise me. I'd hope that they wouldn't be bothered by anything that is said but if you hear something regularly enough it's bound to make you stop and think, just human nature really. It doesn't even have to be on the Internet, young Mayo footballers always get their ear bent by well meaning old men like us when they're just walking the street.
Don't get me wrong - I've no problem with anyone giving out shite about his absence if we get knocked in the first or second of the qualifiers, load up and fire away, but can we not leave it until that time?
As others have pointed out here our opinions dont amount to much. We may as well be talking about price of cabbage. But once you cant play ball anymore all you can do is talk about those that do. Its one of life distractions.
But you can be sure that some of the biggest critics of current Mayo players are the lads on the field with them. If we see faults imagine what the lads around them think when silly stuff happens that costs games. Same silly stuff from same players that happens over and over again. After last years Sligo game I met one player fit to be tied because of how another individual performed .... and with good reason. Players know their stuff. And if players like Aidan Higgins increases their chances of success they want him there. Management is there to have the bus in the yard on time and the best players on board. And bring a coach along and cut out the bullshit.
tell us more moysider......... :D
I recall Mort's famous interview last year when he was on about McD. Said he lays on ball all day. I'm sure he would enjoy having him back. He's quitened down since he left for sure. Very surprised aidan higgins not in this year - very clever footballer.
Will we see Barry Kelly/Mikey Sweeney in the championship this year?????? I dont think so. Better off having mikey mullins from claremorris, was talking to a source there who said JOM didnt have time for him from the off and once he's made his mind up on a player that's it. Mullins is doing great stuff from wing forward. I hear he likes to win ball around middle and run at defenders but O'Mahony was putting him corner forward in training which didnt suit him at all. Also Enda Varley instead of Sweeney.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 21, 2009, 10:40:28 PM
apparently he's bust his knee so i guess that will keep us quiet on the issue i'd say.....
yeah reports that i heard are not good mightn't see him play again in a cross jersey afull news for us and our championship hopes :(
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on May 20, 2009, 02:34:47 AM
From what i have seen of seamus o shea he is up for it. Couldnt separate him/parsons last yr for the U-21's. Nobody saying parsons not up for midfield. Just think he better option than trevor at no.11 and could do great things for us. If you were to assess Parsons from last yr you would be seeing a lot more ticks in the attacking stats then the defensive.
My first post on here but have been reading for a while now. A lot of people mentioning Parsons at centre forward and suggesting s o'shea be tried at midfield. I dont believe o'shea is good enough to play there on his own (maybe as a third mid fielder) and Parsons is so much better than him anyway. Parsons would be a interesting option at centre forward but there is nobody to replace him at centre field if he does move. I think Pat Harte should be 11 for Connacht semi-final (Tervor at 10), assuming McDonald doesnt recover miraculously and get picked!!
Sunday will tell us what we face on 20th June.
M&M would love a shot at Mayo but the Roscommon forwards look good enough to bring them over the line. They will be no push over in a semi final.
I know lads that we all loving throwing our teams together but it is madness all this suggestion of players like Seamus O'Se etc coming in and making a mark at this stage. The league was the time to try these things out. Realistically it is quite straight-forward what the team will be for the first real tie of the Summer (whether we like it or not):
Clarke
O'Malley
Cafferkey
McLoughlin/Higgins
Gardiner
Cunnife/Howley
Moran
Parsons
McGarrity
Harte
Trevor
Dillon
Conor/Barry Moran/Billie Joe - 2 out of 3 for the corners
Aidan O'Se
I'd say you're pretty much on the money there Barney.
How was the wedding?
The Rossies it is then!!!
god it was poor stuff - if mayo don't put up a big win against ross after that then they may as well forget about any ambitions they might have this year. Played by and looked like div 3 teams.
Quote from: Barney on May 29, 2009, 09:37:53 AM
Realistically it is quite straight-forward what the team will be for the first real tie of the Summer (whether we like it or not):
Clarke
O'Malley
Cafferkey
McLoughlin/Higgins
Gardiner
Cunnife/Howley
Moran
Parsons
McGarrity
Harte
Trevor
Dillon
Conor/Barry Moran/Billie Joe - 2 out of 3 for the corners
Aidan O'Se
I think, and hope, that the Andy Moran in the half back line experiment is finished. He played in the forwards against NY and I'd be surprised if he was put back in the half back line given the number of natural half backs we have now. He's a definite option for corner forward though.
We will have a good day's work done if we beat the Rossies.
They may not be world beaters but they are fit, big and well organised with young lads that know how to win.
What I like in particular about them is that they have big men in the half forward line. If we don't get a grip around here our full-back line will suffer. I still think our corner backs are there to be exposed. Kilbride has a good record against Cafferkey as well.
Anyway the like myself the honeymoon is over for JOM. Mine went a good bit better, and this is a must win game for him. I think he has done some good work this season, and hopefully it can come together on the day.
A few lads in the local last night were saying Castlebar may not be ready. That would be a bit of a disaster.
Galway won't let Mayo play in Salthill, so if it wasn't the Hyde, I guess we could be looking at Sligo, like for League semi a few years ago.
some joke if its not ready..... Ya roscommon are a bit of an unknown really, their team has changed considerably in the last few years. Kilbride is a dangerous forward.... cafferkey will have a tough job there. He took martin wynne, who is a quality club full-back, to the cleaners last year.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 01, 2009, 12:21:34 PM
some joke if its not ready..... Ya roscommon are a bit of an unknown really, their team has changed considerably in the last few years. Kilbride is a dangerous forward.... cafferkey will have a tough job there. He took martin wynne, who is a quality club full-back, to the cleaners last year.
Wynne would nt have near Cafferkeys pace though or quality overall. I believe Ger has played on Kilbride in the past at U21 and while he may have had his problems he s a quick learner and will be prepared.
it'll be in the Hyde if castlebar ain't ready
Quote from: neilthemac on June 01, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
it'll be in the Hyde if castlebar ain't ready
Why? Has there been a ruling by the Connacht Council on this ie. Mayo lose home venue if Castlebar is nt ready. In the event Tuam or Sligo most likely venues.
not doubting caf in the slighest. Either way he'd have had a test because maxwell for leitrim is pretty good. But he is doing very well at the moment so shouldn't faze him in the slightest.
Quote from: Barney on May 31, 2009, 07:25:29 PM
We will have a good day's work done if we beat the Rossies.
They may not be world beaters but they are fit, big and well organised with young lads that know how to win.
What I like in particular about them is that they have big men in the half forward line. If we don't get a grip around here our full-back line will suffer. I still think our corner backs are there to be exposed. Kilbride has a good record against Cafferkey as well.
Anyway the like myself the honeymoon is over for JOM. Mine went a good bit better, and this is a must win game for him. I think he has done some good work this season, and hopefully it can come together on the day.
Amen to that Barney! I really hope his honeymoon matches yours although I think he's been in the bloody sack far too long as it is. Anyway, I'll be praying like a hoor that he finishes the daywith a smile on his face.
Trouble is I think one of us is clueless and I have an awful feeling that it isn't me. ;D
Any challenge matches coming up lads ?
Hope not. Pointless really unless there s something in particular they want to look at. Unless management want to look at latecomers to panel and that is not going to happen
Moysider last run-out is against Louth on Friday night in Garrymore:
http://www.garrymoregaa.ie/ (http://www.garrymoregaa.ie/)
Will probably confirm out belief as to what the likely starting line-up will be for the Rossies, although I'm sure AOS will be absent with exams. Maybe Conor will get the start?
QuoteI really hope his honeymoon matches yours although I think he's been in the bloody sack far too long as it is. Anyway, I'll be praying like a hoor that he finishes the daywith a smile on his face.
Trouble is I think one of us is clueless and I have an awful feeling that it isn't me.
::) ::)
Try a bit of positivity and balance Lar, it would do wonders for you...
Quote from: Tubberman on June 02, 2009, 08:56:10 AM
QuoteI really hope his honeymoon matches yours although I think he's been in the bloody sack far too long as it is. Anyway, I'll be praying like a hoor that he finishes the daywith a smile on his face.
Trouble is I think one of us is clueless and I have an awful feeling that it isn't me.
::) ::)
Try a bit of positivity and balance Lar, it would do wonders for you...
I think you will find that I have always been prepared to give credit where it is due and that I have always acknowledged the problems he has to face.
It is quite possible that, of all who criticise him, I have gone to pains to point out where, when and why I take issue with him.
Also, I never hide the fact that I hope he has a successful spell at the helm for both his own sake and for the sake of long-suffering Mayo fans everywhere.
To date, I feel he has been woefully short on tactical nous and his decision making leaves much to be desired and in my previous posts I have trie dto give exampes of both shortcomings.
What else can I do?
Quote from: Barney on June 02, 2009, 08:13:17 AM
Moysider last run-out is against Louth on Friday night in Garrymore:
http://www.garrymoregaa.ie/ (http://www.garrymoregaa.ie/)
Will probably confirm out belief as to what the likely starting line-up will be for the Rossies, although I'm sure AOS will be absent with exams. Maybe Conor will get the start?
I don't know if he'll play the full game but he should get a run out. He only got 5-10 mins on Sunday evening for the club so he's unlikely to go from that to the full 70 even if it is only a challenge game
Connacht council Meeting tomorrow night to decide on the venue for this game....hopefully if McHale not ready common sense to prevail and play in the Hyde. We can visit the next 2 times and maybe win Connacht there in 2011 when our young lads are ready for it.
As for the game ..hopefully we'll be able to keep the ball kicked out to Mayo and that we'll avoid the inevitable drubbing.
Roscommon not a bad side couple of very hand forwards. What are the odds for them in this game
Aidan O'Shea, on top of everything else, will spend part of the next three weeks writing the Exam Diary in the Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0602/1224247881255.html
It's quite droll, and very well done for a young lad, but my God, how does he find the time? :o
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
Aidan O'Shea, on top of everything else, will spend part of the next three weeks writing the Exam Diary in the Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0602/1224247881255.html
It's quite droll, and very well done for a young lad, but my God, how does he find the time? :o
Fair play to him, Pierce Hanley was the next big thing, but I think Aidan is definetely the next big thing in mayo football.
Was one of the only ones in the breaffy-ballagh championship game who tried till the end in my opinion.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
Aidan O'Shea, on top of everything else, will spend part of the next three weeks writing the Exam Diary in the Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0602/1224247881255.html
It's quite droll, and very well done for a young lad, but my God, how does he find the time? :o
The great thing about O Sé is that he is football to the core and ambitious. He wants to win stuff. He s also coming from an environment where there s an emphasis on academic achievement so there is no real danger of him landing in Australia, thank God.
while i wouldn't start a row about Barneys team i think it very important we put out all our best players and that would have to incklude heaneyt and keith higgins and i presume they will start probably at the expense of cafferkey and Moran
Quotewhile i wouldn't start a row about Barneys team i think it very important we put out all our best players and that would have to incklude heaneyt and keith higgins and i presume they will start probably at the expense of cafferkey and Moran
Cafferkey has played at full back throughout the league and in challenge games. He was excellent against the Dubs in the recent challenge match. I can't see any way that he would be dropped. You could be right about Higgins for Moran though.
Quotewhile i wouldn't start a row about Barneys team i think it very important we put out all our best players and that would have to incklude heaneyt and keith higgins and i presume they will start probably at the expense of cafferkey and Moran
??? ???
QuoteYou could be right about Higgins for Moran though.
??? ??? ???
No way should Ger Cafferkey be dropped. I don't think Nallen should be brought on either even in the last 20 minutes. He hasn't the legs anymore.
PS, change the title of the thread, Leitrim are out now... we can focus more on the Rossies then! ;)
if mayo beat ross and have to meet galway where would the game be played?
Quoteif mayo beat ross and have to meet galway where would the game be played?
In the wind tunnel in Salthill - we played them in McHale Park last year.
Any word yet on if we'll get to host the Rossies in McHale Park? Due to be decided today.
QuoteFBD Insurance Connacht SFL - Section A
ROSCOMMON 1-7 MAYO 1-6
IF Ballyhaunis clubman, John Halpin, was in charge of PR for the government he'd convince us that we were on the crest of a financial wave and that the Celtic Tiger was on the prowl again. In his address before the commencement of Sunday's encounter he welcomed everyone to Ballyhaunis "on this wet, but fine day."
The day was anything but 'fine' it was one of the worst days possible for football, yet a well-contested encounter full of vim, vigor and hard work was played out before a healthy and enthusiastic audience.
The host club deserve huge credit for the colossal effort made to ensure the game took place at all, given the horrendous weather conditions in the 24 hours preceding Sunday's meeting of neighbours.
As throw-in time approached the stewards were still sweeping water from the playing surface, and when referee Michael Duffy, inspected the pitch he rightly deemed it playable.
The strong wind blowing down the pitch ensured that this was certainly a game of two halves as first Roscommon, and then the home side, had the wind, rain and hail on their backs.
John O'Mahony fielded another largely experimental side and it took them a while to find their feet, but for the final three quarters of the game they gave as good as they got against a strong, determined, focused Roscommon team.
The Primrose and Blue started as they meant to go on with Karol Mannion delivering a long ball into the forward line for Damien Keenaghan to gather possession and slot it between the posts. The Roscommon men were tearing into everything that moved and Mayo found it hard to repel their combative style early on.
The first goal almost arrived in the eighth minute when Gary Cox and Michael Duignan combined to find full-forward, Senan Kilbride, in the goalmouth, but David Clarke superbly smothered his shot and Pat Kelly cleared the danger.
Roscommon doubled their advantage soon after when Sean Prendergast was incorrectly deemed to have picked the ball off the ground and Seanie McDermott slotted over the thirty-yard free.
Mannion and Brian Higgins were powerful in the middle of the pitch for the visitors and when centre-half back, David Casey, ran 40 yards and offloaded to Cox in the 13th minute they were three points to the good.
That advantage was doubled in the 16th minute when Kilbride was left in glorious isolation in front of the Mayo goal and he gathered Higgins' long delivery and smashed it to the roof of the net to put Roscommon 1-3 to 0-0 ahead.
Mayo were struggling but gradually they settled to their task. Stephen Drake and Sean Prendergast became more prominent at the back while Alan Dillon and particularly Trevor Mortimer, tried to light the flame further forward.
Despite this the guests continued their scoring charge and points from Higgins and Keenaghan put them eight clear by the 21st. Colm Cafferkey, Liam O'Malley, Pat Kelly, Billy Joe Padden and Barry Kelly came more to the fore as the half progressed and Mikey Sweeney and Aidan Kilcoyne saw more of the ball in the opposition half.
The Green and Red eventually got off the mark in the 25th minute when Mortimer fired over from twenty yards and Prendergast had a half-chance of another score moments later, following good play from Padden and Mortimer, but his shot flashed across the face of the goal.
At the other end Fintan Cregg came even closer to a major when he rattled the cross-bar from eight-yards with the final kick of the half and the Roscommon men led 1-5 to 0-1 at the interval.
O'Mahony introduced David Caffrey and Jason Doherty for the new half and the hosts got down to business immediately. Dillon converted a free in the 50th second and Sweeney slotted over another point a minute later.
The home side were tearing into everything that moved and moving the ball forward as quickly as possible as Roscommon struggled in the face of the wind and the rain.
Their toil became even more acute in the 39th minute when Barry Kelly's hard work in the middle allowed Mortimer to flick the ball to Doherty and the young Burrishoole ace rattled the net to leave just two between the sides, 1-3 to 1-5.
It seemed as if the home side might overtake their guests but to Roscommon's credit they showed tremendous fighting qualities to restrict Mayo's time and space on the ball.
The leaders only made sporadic raids into Mayo territory but Kilbride had a glorious goal chance in the 44th, only for Clarke to pull off a stunning save at the butt of his post.
At the other end, Paul Gleeson was superb at fullback for the leaders and time after time they thwarted Mayo surges as the weather conditions became almost unbearable. Howling wind, hail and rain tore down the pitch making it difficult to hold one's feet, never mind play football.
Barry Regan managed to keep his balance in the 47th to land a fine point, but Roscommon knew that victory would send them into the FBD final and they fought ravenously for every inch of ground.
That attitude paid off handsomely five minutes from the end when Sean Purcell traveled forward from wing-back to land an inspirational score from the right wing and send a surge of confidence through his colleagues.
That emotional boost was dampened somewhat a minute later when Doherty pointed superbly following good buildup play from the impressive duo of Dillon and Mortimer and the weather conditions were forgotten as everyone settled in for a rip-roaring finish.
Mayo continued to stream forward and when Doherty was fouled thirty yards from goal on the right wing they had a chance to balance the scores as injury-time arrived, but they went short and Roscommon intercepted and battled their way downfield for Kevin Higgins to land a stunning score and leave two between the teams.
Mayo attacked from the kick-out and Dillon pointed a close-range free, but time ran out on O'Mahony's men and Roscommon celebrated a famous victory that sent them into the final where they'll play Galway next Sunday.
SCORERS - Roscommon:
Senan Kilbride 1-0, Damien Keenehan 0-2, Sean Purcell, Karol Mannion, Seanie McDermott (f), Gary Cox and Kevin Higgins 0-1 each. Mayo: Jason Doherty 1-1, Alan Dillon 0-2f, Trevor Mortimer, Mikey Sweeney and Trevor Mortimer 0-1 each.
ROSCOMMON: Geoffrey Claffey; Paddy O'Connor, Paul Gleeson, John Nolan; Paul Kelly, David Casey, Sean Purcell; Karl Mannion, Brian Higgins; Gary Cox, Damien Keenaghan, Seanie McDermott; Fintan Cregg, Senan Kilbride, Michael Duignan. Subs: Derek Connellan (for Kelly 40), Kevin Higgins (for Kilbride 51), Padraig Duignan (for Gleeson 58 - booked), Keith Waldron (for Cox 59), Robert Gaynor (for M Duignan 61).
MAYO: David Clarke; Colm Cafferkey, Liam O'Malley, Stephen Drake; Sean Prendergast, Pat Kelly, Colm Boyle; Billy Joe Padden, Barry Kelly; Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Dillon, Brian Gallagher, Mikey Sweeney, Barry Regan, Trevor Mortimer. Subs: David Caffrey and Jason Doherty (for Boyle and Kilcoyne h/t).
Nothing can be read into FBD game - teams have changed a huge amount since then.
The only significant factor from the winter might be some "illegal" training sessions in Boyle!
W
Quote from: Barney on June 03, 2009, 04:27:06 PM
QuoteFBD Insurance Connacht SFL - Section A
ROSCOMMON 1-7 MAYO 1-6
IF Ballyhaunis clubman, John Halpin, was in charge of PR for the government he’d convince us that we were on the crest of a financial wave and that the Celtic Tiger was on the prowl again. In his address before the commencement of Sunday’s encounter he welcomed everyone to Ballyhaunis “on this wet, but fine day.”
The day was anything but ‘fine’ it was one of the worst days possible for football, yet a well-contested encounter full of vim, vigor and hard work was played out before a healthy and enthusiastic audience.
The host club deserve huge credit for the colossal effort made to ensure the game took place at all, given the horrendous weather conditions in the 24 hours preceding Sunday’s meeting of neighbours.
As throw-in time approached the stewards were still sweeping water from the playing surface, and when referee Michael Duffy, inspected the pitch he rightly deemed it playable.
The strong wind blowing down the pitch ensured that this was certainly a game of two halves as first Roscommon, and then the home side, had the wind, rain and hail on their backs.
John O’Mahony fielded another largely experimental side and it took them a while to find their feet, but for the final three quarters of the game they gave as good as they got against a strong, determined, focused Roscommon team.
The Primrose and Blue started as they meant to go on with Karol Mannion delivering a long ball into the forward line for Damien Keenaghan to gather possession and slot it between the posts. The Roscommon men were tearing into everything that moved and Mayo found it hard to repel their combative style early on.
The first goal almost arrived in the eighth minute when Gary Cox and Michael Duignan combined to find full-forward, Senan Kilbride, in the goalmouth, but David Clarke superbly smothered his shot and Pat Kelly cleared the danger.
Roscommon doubled their advantage soon after when Sean Prendergast was incorrectly deemed to have picked the ball off the ground and Seanie McDermott slotted over the thirty-yard free.
Mannion and Brian Higgins were powerful in the middle of the pitch for the visitors and when centre-half back, David Casey, ran 40 yards and offloaded to Cox in the 13th minute they were three points to the good.
That advantage was doubled in the 16th minute when Kilbride was left in glorious isolation in front of the Mayo goal and he gathered Higgins’ long delivery and smashed it to the roof of the net to put Roscommon 1-3 to 0-0 ahead.
Mayo were struggling but gradually they settled to their task. Stephen Drake and Sean Prendergast became more prominent at the back while Alan Dillon and particularly Trevor Mortimer, tried to light the flame further forward.
Despite this the guests continued their scoring charge and points from Higgins and Keenaghan put them eight clear by the 21st. Colm Cafferkey, Liam O’Malley, Pat Kelly, Billy Joe Padden and Barry Kelly came more to the fore as the half progressed and Mikey Sweeney and Aidan Kilcoyne saw more of the ball in the opposition half.
The Green and Red eventually got off the mark in the 25th minute when Mortimer fired over from twenty yards and Prendergast had a half-chance of another score moments later, following good play from Padden and Mortimer, but his shot flashed across the face of the goal.
At the other end Fintan Cregg came even closer to a major when he rattled the cross-bar from eight-yards with the final kick of the half and the Roscommon men led 1-5 to 0-1 at the interval.
O’Mahony introduced David Caffrey and Jason Doherty for the new half and the hosts got down to business immediately. Dillon converted a free in the 50th second and Sweeney slotted over another point a minute later.
The home side were tearing into everything that moved and moving the ball forward as quickly as possible as Roscommon struggled in the face of the wind and the rain.
Their toil became even more acute in the 39th minute when Barry Kelly’s hard work in the middle allowed Mortimer to flick the ball to Doherty and the young Burrishoole ace rattled the net to leave just two between the sides, 1-3 to 1-5.
It seemed as if the home side might overtake their guests but to Roscommon’s credit they showed tremendous fighting qualities to restrict Mayo’s time and space on the ball.
The leaders only made sporadic raids into Mayo territory but Kilbride had a glorious goal chance in the 44th, only for Clarke to pull off a stunning save at the butt of his post.
At the other end, Paul Gleeson was superb at fullback for the leaders and time after time they thwarted Mayo surges as the weather conditions became almost unbearable. Howling wind, hail and rain tore down the pitch making it difficult to hold one’s feet, never mind play football.
Barry Regan managed to keep his balance in the 47th to land a fine point, but Roscommon knew that victory would send them into the FBD final and they fought ravenously for every inch of ground.
That attitude paid off handsomely five minutes from the end when Sean Purcell traveled forward from wing-back to land an inspirational score from the right wing and send a surge of confidence through his colleagues.
That emotional boost was dampened somewhat a minute later when Doherty pointed superbly following good buildup play from the impressive duo of Dillon and Mortimer and the weather conditions were forgotten as everyone settled in for a rip-roaring finish.
Mayo continued to stream forward and when Doherty was fouled thirty yards from goal on the right wing they had a chance to balance the scores as injury-time arrived, but they went short and Roscommon intercepted and battled their way downfield for Kevin Higgins to land a stunning score and leave two between the teams.
Mayo attacked from the kick-out and Dillon pointed a close-range free, but time ran out on O’Mahony’s men and Roscommon celebrated a famous victory that sent them into the final where they’ll play Galway next Sunday.
SCORERS - Roscommon:
Senan Kilbride 1-0, Damien Keenehan 0-2, Sean Purcell, Karol Mannion, Seanie McDermott (f), Gary Cox and Kevin Higgins 0-1 each. Mayo: Jason Doherty 1-1, Alan Dillon 0-2f, Trevor Mortimer, Mikey Sweeney and Trevor Mortimer 0-1 each.
ROSCOMMON: Geoffrey Claffey; Paddy O’Connor, Paul Gleeson, John Nolan; Paul Kelly, David Casey, Sean Purcell; Karl Mannion, Brian Higgins; Gary Cox, Damien Keenaghan, Seanie McDermott; Fintan Cregg, Senan Kilbride, Michael Duignan. Subs: Derek Connellan (for Kelly 40), Kevin Higgins (for Kilbride 51), Padraig Duignan (for Gleeson 58 - booked), Keith Waldron (for Cox 59), Robert Gaynor (for M Duignan 61).
MAYO: David Clarke; Colm Cafferkey, Liam O’Malley, Stephen Drake; Sean Prendergast, Pat Kelly, Colm Boyle; Billy Joe Padden, Barry Kelly; Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Dillon, Brian Gallagher, Mikey Sweeney, Barry Regan, Trevor Mortimer. Subs: David Caffrey and Jason Doherty (for Boyle and Kilcoyne h/t).
Nothing can be read into FBD game - teams have changed a huge amount since then.
The only significant factor from the winter might be some "illegal" training sessions in Boyle!
hy
Quote from: Barney on June 03, 2009, 04:27:06 PM
QuoteFBD Insurance Connacht SFL - Section A
ROSCOMMON 1-7 MAYO 1-6
IF Ballyhaunis clubman, John Halpin, was in charge of PR for the government he’d convince us that we were on the crest of a financial wave and that the Celtic Tiger was on the prowl again. In his address before the commencement of Sunday’s encounter he welcomed everyone to Ballyhaunis “on this wet, but fine day.”
The day was anything but ‘fine’ it was one of the worst days possible for football, yet a well-contested encounter full of vim, vigor and hard work was played out before a healthy and enthusiastic audience.
The host club deserve huge credit for the colossal effort made to ensure the game took place at all, given the horrendous weather conditions in the 24 hours preceding Sunday’s meeting of neighbours.
As throw-in time approached the stewards were still sweeping water from the playing surface, and when referee Michael Duffy, inspected the pitch he rightly deemed it playable.
The strong wind blowing down the pitch ensured that this was certainly a game of two halves as first Roscommon, and then the home side, had the wind, rain and hail on their backs.
John O’Mahony fielded another largely experimental side and it took them a while to find their feet, but for the final three quarters of the game they gave as good as they got against a strong, determined, focused Roscommon team.
The Primrose and Blue started as they meant to go on with Karol Mannion delivering a long ball into the forward line for Damien Keenaghan to gather possession and slot it between the posts. The Roscommon men were tearing into everything that moved and Mayo found it hard to repel their combative style early on.
The first goal almost arrived in the eighth minute when Gary Cox and Michael Duignan combined to find full-forward, Senan Kilbride, in the goalmouth, but David Clarke superbly smothered his shot and Pat Kelly cleared the danger.
Roscommon doubled their advantage soon after when Sean Prendergast was incorrectly deemed to have picked the ball off the ground and Seanie McDermott slotted over the thirty-yard free.
Mannion and Brian Higgins were powerful in the middle of the pitch for the visitors and when centre-half back, David Casey, ran 40 yards and offloaded to Cox in the 13th minute they were three points to the good.
That advantage was doubled in the 16th minute when Kilbride was left in glorious isolation in front of the Mayo goal and he gathered Higgins’ long delivery and smashed it to the roof of the net to put Roscommon 1-3 to 0-0 ahead.
Mayo were struggling but gradually they settled to their task. Stephen Drake and Sean Prendergast became more prominent at the back while Alan Dillon and particularly Trevor Mortimer, tried to light the flame further forward.
Despite this the guests continued their scoring charge and points from Higgins and Keenaghan put them eight clear by the 21st. Colm Cafferkey, Liam O’Malley, Pat Kelly, Billy Joe Padden and Barry Kelly came more to the fore as the half progressed and Mikey Sweeney and Aidan Kilcoyne saw more of the ball in the opposition half.
The Green and Red eventually got off the mark in the 25th minute when Mortimer fired over from twenty yards and Prendergast had a half-chance of another score moments later, following good play from Padden and Mortimer, but his shot flashed across the face of the goal.
At the other end Fintan Cregg came even closer to a major when he rattled the cross-bar from eight-yards with the final kick of the half and the Roscommon men led 1-5 to 0-1 at the interval.
O’Mahony introduced David Caffrey and Jason Doherty for the new half and the hosts got down to business immediately. Dillon converted a free in the 50th second and Sweeney slotted over another point a minute later.
The home side were tearing into everything that moved and moving the ball forward as quickly as possible as Roscommon struggled in the face of the wind and the rain.
Their toil became even more acute in the 39th minute when Barry Kelly’s hard work in the middle allowed Mortimer to flick the ball to Doherty and the young Burrishoole ace rattled the net to leave just two between the sides, 1-3 to 1-5.
It seemed as if the home side might overtake their guests but to Roscommon’s credit they showed tremendous fighting qualities to restrict Mayo’s time and space on the ball.
The leaders only made sporadic raids into Mayo territory but Kilbride had a glorious goal chance in the 44th, only for Clarke to pull off a stunning save at the butt of his post.
At the other end, Paul Gleeson was superb at fullback for the leaders and time after time they thwarted Mayo surges as the weather conditions became almost unbearable. Howling wind, hail and rain tore down the pitch making it difficult to hold one’s feet, never mind play football.
Barry Regan managed to keep his balance in the 47th to land a fine point, but Roscommon knew that victory would send them into the FBD final and they fought ravenously for every inch of ground.
That attitude paid off handsomely five minutes from the end when Sean Purcell traveled forward from wing-back to land an inspirational score from the right wing and send a surge of confidence through his colleagues.
That emotional boost was dampened somewhat a minute later when Doherty pointed superbly following good buildup play from the impressive duo of Dillon and Mortimer and the weather conditions were forgotten as everyone settled in for a rip-roaring finish.
Mayo continued to stream forward and when Doherty was fouled thirty yards from goal on the right wing they had a chance to balance the scores as injury-time arrived, but they went short and Roscommon intercepted and battled their way downfield for Kevin Higgins to land a stunning score and leave two between the teams.
Mayo attacked from the kick-out and Dillon pointed a close-range free, but time ran out on O’Mahony’s men and Roscommon celebrated a famous victory that sent them into the final where they’ll play Galway next Sunday.
SCORERS - Roscommon:
Senan Kilbride 1-0, Damien Keenehan 0-2, Sean Purcell, Karol Mannion, Seanie McDermott (f), Gary Cox and Kevin Higgins 0-1 each. Mayo: Jason Doherty 1-1, Alan Dillon 0-2f, Trevor Mortimer, Mikey Sweeney and Trevor Mortimer 0-1 each.
ROSCOMMON: Geoffrey Claffey; Paddy O’Connor, Paul Gleeson, John Nolan; Paul Kelly, David Casey, Sean Purcell; Karl Mannion, Brian Higgins; Gary Cox, Damien Keenaghan, Seanie McDermott; Fintan Cregg, Senan Kilbride, Michael Duignan. Subs: Derek Connellan (for Kelly 40), Kevin Higgins (for Kilbride 51), Padraig Duignan (for Gleeson 58 - booked), Keith Waldron (for Cox 59), Robert Gaynor (for M Duignan 61).
MAYO: David Clarke; Colm Cafferkey, Liam O’Malley, Stephen Drake; Sean Prendergast, Pat Kelly, Colm Boyle; Billy Joe Padden, Barry Kelly; Aidan Kilcoyne, Alan Dillon, Brian Gallagher, Mikey Sweeney, Barry Regan, Trevor Mortimer. Subs: David Caffrey and Jason Doherty (for Boyle and Kilcoyne h/t).
Nothing can be read into FBD game - teams have changed a huge amount since then.
The only significant factor from the winter might be some "illegal" training sessions in Boyle!
Why did you bring it up then? :D :D :D
Nothing can be read into FBD game -
Why did you bring it up then?
Trying to get ye used to losing to Ros again.? ;D
Just like the good oul days ...1970/72/77/78/79/80/86.
Things didnt go so well since unfortunately.. :'( except of course for one glorious 76th minute in 2001. ;) :D
However I fear we'll have to wait another year at least before we start competing with ye at Championship level again as we're only starting on the long road at present.
Ach tiocfaidh ár lá !!!
rossfan, an eternal optomist, were your parents from mayo?
Quote from: mannix on June 03, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
rossfan, an eternal optomist, were your parents from mayo?
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH :o :o :o :o
Clean out your mouth :D
Both Rossies of course. 8)
Rossfan leaving home for his first day of school:
(http://www.tunissheep.org/Press/Tunis%20Sheep%20family.JPG)
Dodge central on McHale Park according to The Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6751&Itemid=39
QuoteDodge central on McHale Park according to The Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6751&Itemid=39
So what was the outcome of the inspection, did anyone hear?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 04, 2009, 08:22:11 AM
QuoteDodge central on McHale Park according to The Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6751&Itemid=39
So what was the outcome of the inspection, did anyone hear?
white smooke from meeting in castlebar last night, final decision will be taken on thurs june 11th
Quote from: muppet on June 03, 2009, 10:32:27 PM
Rossfan leaving home for his first day of school:
(http://www.tunissheep.org/Press/Tunis%20Sheep%20family.JPG)
Priceless :D :D,
What do you mean by white smoke? 9 days before the game theyll make a decision, is that not a little late? McHale park must be a serious doubt to make the game, and I thought this was tactical ploy by OMahony :P,
It's very late surely. I think everyone is in agreement on that. Why can't they come up with the venue sooner? You'd think that somebody would have thought this out. Especially for the fans who don't like other venues in the province (my dad :D).
Obviously insurers had a few concerns about health and safety and they re being given a few days to sort these issues out. Fill a few holes, pick up a couple of bits of steel and tea bags, that kind of thing. No big deal. Bit of tidying up I d say.The game will probably be able to go ahead there now anyway.
In all honesty this game is a cert for Castlebar. Not one doubt in my mind.
QuoteWhat do you mean by white smoke? 9 days before the game theyll make a decision, is that not a little late? McHale park must be a serious doubt to make the game, and I thought this was tactical ploy by OMahony
Janey Mac, I would never have considered that one! ;D
To give the man his due, I doubt if any one, even the maddest of us, could miss your joke.
He and his team won't be letting thought about the venue distract them now. I'd say they all will be willing to take the Rossies on, anywhere, any time.
Looking at Muppet's picture, I somehow imagine our sheepophile friend hasn't come on much since then.
He's still the innocent little pet of a fella he always was. :D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
QuoteWhat do you mean by white smoke? 9 days before the game theyll make a decision, is that not a little late? McHale park must be a serious doubt to make the game, and I thought this was tactical ploy by OMahony
Janey Mac, I would never have considered that one! ;D
To give the man his due, I doubt if any one, even the maddest of us, could miss your joke.
He and his team won't be letting thought about the venue distract them now. I'd say they all will be willing to take the Rossies on, anywhere, any time.
Looking at Muppet's picture, I somehow imagine our sheepophile friend hasn't come on much since then.
He's still the innocent little pet of a fella he always was. :D
I think he left with his tail firmly wedged between his legs :D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 04, 2009, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
QuoteWhat do you mean by white smoke? 9 days before the game theyll make a decision, is that not a little late? McHale park must be a serious doubt to make the game, and I thought this was tactical ploy by OMahony
Janey Mac, I would never have considered that one! ;D
To give the man his due, I doubt if any one, even the maddest of us, could miss your joke.
He and his team won't be letting thought about the venue distract them now. I'd say they all will be willing to take the Rossies on, anywhere, any time.
Looking at Muppet's picture, I somehow imagine our sheepophile friend hasn't come on much since then.
He's still the innocent little pet of a fella he always was. :D
I think he left with his tail firmly wedged between his legs :D
Might be something to do maggot strike these balmy days.
When you get Mayos and Shhliiiiigos ganging up on you .....you must be doing something right. :D
This game will be in Castlebar as Prenty will not want the €80k ground rent leaving Co Mayo so it'll be traffic jams all the way all day.
However it'll give me a chance to note any traitor houses in Ballagh.
I see O'Mahony is outdoing himself again talking us up .. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
I see O'Mahony is outdoing himself again talking us up .. ::)
Okay, ye're pig ugly useless feckers who can't play football to saves yer lives. Happy now?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
When you get Mayos and Shhliiiiigos ganging up on you .....you must be doing something right. :D
This game will be in Castlebar as Prenty will not want the €80k ground rent leaving Co Mayo so it'll be traffic jams all the way all day.
However it'll give me a chance to note any traitor houses in Ballagh.
I see O'Mahony is outdoing himself again talking us up .. ::)
You'll see the lovely 'Up Mayo' shed painted in Green and Red as you pass through Ballagh. ;D
Logically thinking the Connacht council really messed up the dates of the Connacht Championship especially so with McHale under development. Why didnt they fix Sligo V Galway for the 20 th and Mayos semi on 28th to give the them a few extra days. Weve both not been in action a while and Ros only played last week and there playing before us so that 2 championships games they play before we even play once.
Is there anywhere that I can see photos of the new look McHale pk?
These appear to have been taken in April, around the time of Mayo/Tyrone:
http://www.castlebar.ie/JLoftus/Castlebar_Update_April_09.shtml (http://www.castlebar.ie/JLoftus/Castlebar_Update_April_09.shtml)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
When you get Mayos and Shhliiiiigos ganging up on you .....you must be doing something right. :D
This game will be in Castlebar as Prenty will not want the €80k ground rent leaving Co Mayo so it'll be traffic jams all the way all day.
However it'll give me a chance to note any traitor houses in Ballagh.
I see O'Mahony is outdoing himself again talking us up .. ::)
You'll see the lovely 'Up Mayo' shed painted in Green and Red as you pass through Ballagh. ;D
Hopefully when a Patriot sets it on fire the Ros Co Council Fire Brigade will refuse to put it out.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 04, 2009, 11:04:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
When you get Mayos and Shhliiiiigos ganging up on you .....you must be doing something right. :D
This game will be in Castlebar as Prenty will not want the €80k ground rent leaving Co Mayo so it'll be traffic jams all the way all day.
However it'll give me a chance to note any traitor houses in Ballagh.
I see O'Mahony is outdoing himself again talking us up .. ::)
You'll see the lovely 'Up Mayo' shed painted in Green and Red as you pass through Ballagh. ;D
Hopefully when a Patriot sets it on fire the Ros Co Council Fire Brigade will refuse to put it out.
That's because all two of them (a shepherd and his dog) will be off on a sheep rustling trip in Shligo at the time! :D
Looks like Clarkey gone for Ros game at least. Tore his groin v Louth.
A massive massive loss for us - he has been brilliant this season and didn't concede a goal since the first 10 minutes of the second league game.
I haven't seen Kenneth O'Malley play since his return from injury. At least he has 2 weeks to get working seriously with the outfield players. His aerial ability is nowhere near the same level as Clarke and although Cafferkey has shored up our full-back line if he is not on song, and Liam O'Malley is his usual lose self Kenneth will be a busy man.
Quote from: Barney on June 07, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
A massive massive loss for us - he has been brilliant this season and didn't concede a goal since the first 10 minutes of the second league game.
I haven't seen Kenneth O'Malley play since his return from injury. At least he has 2 weeks to get working seriously with the outfield players. His aerial ability is nowhere near the same level as Clarke and although Cafferkey has shored up our full-back line if he is not on song, and Liam O'Malley is his usual lose self Kenneth will be a busy man.
No disrespect to Kenneth but Clarkey wil be a big loss. He has been the most consistent player we have had over the last few years and I don't think I have ever heard a bad word about him.
Quote from: Barney on June 07, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
A massive massive loss for us - he has been brilliant this season and didn't concede a goal since the first 10 minutes of the second league game.
I haven't seen Kenneth O'Malley play since his return from injury. At least he has 2 weeks to get working seriously with the outfield players. His aerial ability is nowhere near the same level as Clarke and although Cafferkey has shored up our full-back line if he is not on song, and Liam O'Malley is his usual lose self Kenneth will be a busy man.
Must you constantly knock our players?
Is Hennelly going to be called back into the squad?
I heard a story in New York that Hennelly was offered the chance to come back in for that game, but turned it down, as he was unhappy with being dropped in the first place. Don't know if that was true or not, but Heaney ended up being named as a sub keeper and an outfield player on the program.
If it is true I would hope it doesn't count against him in future as he's only 18/19 and potentially has a big future ahead of him as a Mayo keeper.
Clarke is a loss but I'm confident that Kenny can cover well for him.
You can argue who is the better goalie (personally I think O'Malley's kickouts are better than Clarke's) and we shouldn't forget that up until his injury it looked like he was going to edge out Clarke for the No.1 jersey.
But either way we're solid even though I hope Clarke recovers quickly and we'll have a serious choice for later in the Championship
O'Malley is as good, if not better than Clarke.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 10, 2009, 11:37:29 AM
O'Malley is as good, if not better than Clarke.
That's yet to be proved I'd feel, not trying to knock O'Malley now but David Clarke is a keeper of considerable quality.
Quote from: stephenite on June 10, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 10, 2009, 11:37:29 AM
O'Malley is as good, if not better than Clarke.
That's yet to be proved I'd feel, not trying to knock O'Malley now but David Clarke is a keeper of considerable quality.
Agreed, we're blessed with both of them and Hennelly too. I'm spliting hairs but I reckon O'Malley has better kick outs and while Clarke has presence and is a very good shot-stopper, O'Malley is solid under a dropping ball too and very agile. I reckon, too, that Clarke has got too much credit for the clean sheets run - how many saves had he to make? A bit like Van Der Sar at United during their clean run. But, again, splitting hairs. Losing Clarke is not a huge loss, not because he's not a great keeper, but because we've got such quality in reserve.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 10, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
Agreed, we're blessed with both of them and Hennelly too. I'm spliting hairs but I reckon O'Malley has better kick outs and while Clarke has presence and is a very good shot-stopper, O'Malley is solid under a dropping ball too and very agile. I reckon, too, that Clarke has got too much credit for the clean sheets run - how many saves had he to make? A bit like Van Der Sar at United during their clean run. But, again, splitting hairs. Losing Clarke is not a huge loss, not because he's not a great keeper, but because we've got such quality in reserve.
Totally agree, im not sure how much Clarke has been tested.
As big as Clarke is I often thought he was not commanding enough in his square and under a high ball.
I always maintain that behind every great full back is a keeper that is commanding, quick off his line and confident under a high ball.
It will be interesting to see how O Malley will fair.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 10, 2009, 04:13:40 PM
As big as Clarke is I often thought he was not commanding enough in his square and under a high ball.
Hasn't Clarke been coming off his line all year to clatter fellas and let them know he's in it?
Jesus lads, you're a tough bunch to please.
from what i remeber o'malley was beginning to edge out clarke before his injury anyway . clarke will find it hard regain his spot.
Clarke is very good with shirt clever kick outs but his long one are very suspect some of the early league games this year he out mayo underr serious pressure. though its hard to argue with clean sheets who ever takes the credit
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 10, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Hasn't Clarke been coming off his line all year to clatter fellas and let them know he's in it?
Example?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 10, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Jesus lads, you're a tough bunch to please.
True, there is no harm in expecting high standards. If we didnt then we we would be like the other 24 or so no-hope counties.
QuoteMust you constantly knock our players?
Don't know what you mean.
Kenneth O'Malley was a very good underage. He had a major injury/illness 2 years ago and hasn't played competitive football for Mayo since. That is a big worry going into a major championship game with a rookie full-back, possibly corner-back and another corner-back being far than convincing. Look at Peter Cech. If Kenneth is right psychologically the rest just take care of itself.
You don't need to worry about Kenneth he is well able for this. He played some great ball for UL this year and he is a very intelligent and confident young man, he won't leave Mayo down.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 11, 2009, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 10, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Hasn't Clarke been coming off his line all year to clatter fellas and let them know he's in it?
Example?
Against Galway in Tuam for one, came out took a bit more of man than ball - a missed penalty from Meehan was the result.
TBH goalkeeper is one area of the field I wouldn't be to worried about - we have more troubles elsewhere on the pitch with much less cover
So I take it McHale Park is the venue, especially when there's no up-roar over it.
Mchale it is. could be leaving themselves very open if any one has an accident. it wasnt fit for the crowd during the National league Game if its being rushed they could end up being very sorry .
be terrible to spoil the ship to tuppence worth of tar
I expect Mayo to win this one and go all the way to upset Galway and take Connaught this year .
Good man Bing. Nothing like settin yourself up for it ;D
So with 8 days to go I think it's fair to say we still havent a hope in hell of getting a result and will be content with a respectable performance and hopefully a respectable scoreboard too.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 12, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
Good man Bing. Nothing like settin yourself up for it ;D
So with 8 days to go I think it's fair to say we still havent a hope in hell of getting a result and will be content with a respectable performance and hopefully a respectable scoreboard too.
I doubt Bing is setting himself up for anything. He's not from Mayo!!
Quote from: Barney on June 11, 2009, 11:47:44 AM
QuoteMust you constantly knock our players?
Don't know what you mean.
Kenneth O'Malley was a very good underage. He had a major injury/illness 2 years ago and hasn't played competitive football for Mayo since. That is a big worry going into a major championship game with a rookie full-back, possibly corner-back and another corner-back being far than convincing. Look at Peter Cech. If Kenneth is right psychologically the rest just take care of itself.
Again, must you constantly knock our players?
Quote from: muppet on June 12, 2009, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 11, 2009, 11:47:44 AM
QuoteMust you constantly knock our players?
Don't know what you mean.
Kenneth O'Malley was a very good underage. He had a major injury/illness 2 years ago and hasn't played competitive football for Mayo since. That is a big worry going into a major championship game with a rookie full-back, possibly corner-back and another corner-back being far than convincing. Look at Peter Cech. If Kenneth is right psychologically the rest just take care of itself.
Again, must you constantly knock our players?
It must be a Mayo thing. My dad finds fault with every single one of the players in the Green and Red. Many of them wouldn't make a junior club team if he had his way...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
It must be a Mayo thing. My dad finds fault with every single one of the players in the Green and Red. Many of them wouldn't make a junior club team if he had his way...
I think it is a Mayo thing you know. Everybody wants to win the All-Ireland of course, but it's developed into a very remarkable psychosis in the County Mayo. It really has.
I've long believed Bruce Springsteen to be a Mayoman you know:
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering upMaybe this year we can finally deal. And then again... :(
QuoteAgain, must you constantly knock our players?
Firstly I disagree with the use of the word "constantly".
I suppose you think the team is flawless Muppet - if management don't see what we see as supporters then we will go nowhere.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 12, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
It must be a Mayo thing. My dad finds fault with every single one of the players in the Green and Red. Many of them wouldn't make a junior club team if he had his way...
I think it is a Mayo thing you know. Everybody wants to win the All-Ireland of course, but it's developed into a very remarkable psychosis in the County Mayo. It really has.
I've long believed Bruce Springsteen to be a Mayoman you know:
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
Maybe this year we can finally deal. And then again... :(
Glory Days - Don't worry - some of us still dare to dream..........!!!!
Quote from: Barney on June 13, 2009, 12:09:36 AM
QuoteAgain, must you constantly knock our players?
Firstly I disagree with the use of the word "constantly".
I suppose you think the team is flawless Muppet - if management don't see what we see as supporters then we will go nowhere.
whts this wee paleface.
each one of us have an equally worthless and meaning less opinon . we all pr downs on certain players- like yours on Liam o'malley ,our most consistant back during the league - and mine on Austin o'malley because im Right and always have been about him.(and pat harte too but thats at least partly because it winds the ballina boys up so much)
Where as management actually have to make the call ,They have the advantage of seeing all the training sessions and all the challenge games and the attitude of the players in the between times. . JOM doesnt have to rely on an opinion formed a year ago on a player who may have mature or aged a hell of a lot in the mean time not to mention losses of form or knocks picked up .
O mahony is there for next saturday and its his call . and there is nothing to be gained by bitching at this point.
if he gets it wrong there will be no one quicker than me to look for blood.
Hes a cat on his 10th life as far as im concerned
game will be in mchale park according to the paper today, i expect mayo to win it anyway, even in roscommon.
hope to make it to the final in july if mayo do actually win, and if this setanta thing falls apart it will be more of the radio internet service this summer.
I think, Iolar, you got it bang on:
Bruce Springsteen is a Mayoman in spirit if not in fact.
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
That's just about right; a defence mechanism kicks in and it's a case of preparing for the inevitable disappointment when the dream goes up in smoke and the long heartbreaking wait for the next season to come around begins once more.
I can empathise with Farrandelin's dad; so could many thousands of others.
It's a case of easing the inevitable disappoint that seems bound to follow and both players and manager get slated in advance.
"Didn't I tell ye," could replace Críost Linn as the motto for so many of us!
Clouds could be covering the top of Nephin and thousands would leave the hay lying in the fields to follow the cause if there was even a tiny glimmer of hope that the end of the wait might be in sight. If not this year but maybe the next or the one after that, the criticism would suddenly stop and the pre-match villains-to-be heroes would be transformed into heroes- I've no doubt whatsoever about that.
Personally, I have no meas at all on another bloody Connacht title.
I have seen far too many of them already and so often beating a poor Galway side or and even poorer Roscommon one, seems to be the limit of our expectations. Both the team and the fans seem to sub-consciously accept this and the longer the wait goes on, the deeper it sinks into our psyche.
I expect every lad on the field against the Rossies will be giving it 110% and the same applies to the manager.
At a personal level, I find John O'Mahony to be a decent man. He is also a proud man and would dearly love to finish his managerial career with his place in Mayo's folk history secure. A lot rides on his performance this season and I hope for his own sake and for mine, that he ups his form from previous years.
(It could be a case of, "I'd never say anything against him, the thundering bo**ix!") ;)
Seriously, I would never demand that the side should win anything- just that they go as far as their ability and luck will take them.
Don't show the white feather!
Quote from: Barney on June 13, 2009, 12:09:36 AM
QuoteAgain, must you constantly knock our players?
Firstly I disagree with the use of the word "constantly".
I suppose you think the team is flawless Muppet - if management don't see what we see as supporters then we will go nowhere.
I don't think any team in history ever was flawless.
I just prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick.
I prefer to talk up our team and for the record I think this lot are good enough to go all the way. Maybe not flawless but I'd rather focus on the positives and perennial pessimism irritates me. We have the makings of a real spine for the first time in a few years. Liam O'Malley isn't stranded at full back and along with Trevor Howley he offers a bit of physicality that has been missing in recent years. I see Cunniffe and Keith launching attacks from the half backs while we have two good options for route one if required.
We need Conor and Alan scoring as they do when on their game and we need maybe two others to share the scoring responsibility.
No reason for pessimism.
QuoteI prefer to talk up our team and for the record I think this lot are good enough to go all the way.
Muppet I hope to God you're right. I do think that too many of our players are missing the basic skills to win the All Ireland but as you say the spine has improved considerably.
Anyway lets agree that the only O'Shea that may get their hands on Sam this year will be from Breaffy.
So 6 days to go. Any word on whether there was a training game this weekend?
From challenge games/injuries etc you would guess we are looking at the following line-up (slight changes from earlier in this thread). Number 4 and 7 jersies might still up for grabs.
O'Malley
O'Malley
Cafferkey
Vaughan/McLoughlin - Vaughan started against Louth. McLoughlin seemed to have been in control of this position. I see both, especially Vaughan, as wing-backs. A fully fit Keith Higgins would be welcome.
Gardiner
Howley
Heaney/Moran - Heaney has played here against Louth. Moran against Dublin. I think JOM is a big Moran fan - his work-rate is badly needed and I think he adds a leadership needed in the back line and might get the nod here. Mortimer looks like he will start in the corner.
Parsons
McGarrity
Harte
Trevor - talk of hamstrings being troublesome in the local papers is very worrying. Mind you Trevor got through a full league so hopefully he gets the deserved break from injuries.
Dillon
Conor
O'Shea
Barry Moran - this seems to be the preferred tactic for JOM. However Billie Joe or Andy Moran could get this jersey as sweepers? I think he will go for the two big men approach for this day out.
Quote from: Barney on June 14, 2009, 08:42:10 PM
So 6 days to go. Any word on whether there was a training game this weekend?
From challenge games/injuries etc you would guess we are looking at the following line-up (slight changes from earlier in this thread). Number 4 and 7 jersies might still up for grabs.
O'Malley
O'Malley
Cafferkey
Vaughan/McLoughlin - Vaughan started against Louth. McLoughlin seemed to have been in control of this position. I see both, especially Vaughan, as wing-backs. A fully fit Keith Higgins would be welcome.
Gardiner
Howley
Heaney/Moran - Heaney has played here against Louth. Moran against Dublin. I think JOM is a big Moran fan - his work-rate is badly needed and I think he adds a leadership needed in the back line and might get the nod here. Mortimer looks like he will start in the corner.
Parsons
McGarrity
Harte
Trevor - talk of hamstrings being troublesome in the local papers is very worrying. Mind you Trevor got through a full league so hopefully he gets the deserved break from injuries.
Dillon
Conor
O'Shea
Barry Moran - this seems to be the preferred tactic for JOM. However Billie Joe or Andy Moran could get this jersey as sweepers? I think he will go for the two big men approach for this day out.
Could be the team all right..for what its worth this is what I think it will be barring any more injuries...
O'Malley
O'Malley Cafferky Higgins
Gardiner Howley A Moran
McGarrity Parsons
T Mortimer Harte Dillon
C Mortimer A O'Shea B Moran
Very hard to know whos lining out where in the half forward line but im sure those three will be there...don't know how fit Keith Higgins is but he must be nearly up to speed now and he has been our best player the last few years so hopefully he will be ready...
I don't see Keith Higgins starting.
He stayed at home when the panel were in NY to play hurling. He missed the Louth and Dublin challenges because of hurling. i think he has only played a half against Kildare, and obviously training matches but cannot be ready for top-class championship football or playing Roscommon.
Really looking forward to Saturday now. There is a lot of uncertainty about the team and its hard to know what fifteen will be picked. I'd reckon we can only be 100% certain about the following players in the following positions - Cafferkey at full-back, Gardiner at right-half back, McGarrity at midfield and Aidan O'Shea at full-forward. After that there are a good few players who will start but in what position - Parsons midfield or half-forward line, ditto Harte. Dillon/Trevor at left-half or centre-half forward and Andy Moran at corner-forward/wing-back. Then there are a lot of lads on the fringes and serious decisions about 4, 7 and 13. Also I think Liam O'Malley is an injury doubt.
For what its worth I see this team going out
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley Ger Cafferkey, Donal Vaughan
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley Andy Moran
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
Pat Harte Alan Dillon Trevor Mortimer
Aidan Kilcoyne Barry MOran, Aidan O'Shea.
Haha Barney..cannot be ready for top-class championship football or playing Roscommon..yeah he mighn't be ready for top class football yet but probably Roscommon :P just wondering where this idea of Tom Parsons playing 11 has come from? I think he's a cert for centre field mainly because if he was moved he'd be a huge loss to the middle of the park, not so much that he would be a bad centre forward...
My own thoughts on the Mayo Roscommon rivalry
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/
Quote from: The flame still burns on June 14, 2009, 11:17:33 PM
My own thoughts on the Mayo Roscommon rivalry
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/Dapss/jackson4.gif) ;D
I reckon we're going to suffer from the same reason Kerry were beaten at the weekend, that is to say we don't know what our best team is yet. Looking at the above posts there are an awful lot of positions up for debate but lets hope to god that JOM knows his starting fifteen for the remainder of the championship. We all saw what happened against Galway last year when Conroy and Boyle were hauled off in the first half.
This should be no time of year for experimenting. Roll on Saturday.
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 14, 2009, 11:41:46 PM
We all saw what happened against Galway last year when Conroy and Boyle were hauled off in the first half.
This should be no time of year for experimenting. Roll on Saturday.
Very few people here were in favor of conroy or boyle even more so starting last year . It was fairly obvious they were not ready for the fray.
where as this year even the most debatable of starters (cafferkey/Harte) have their supporters ,
Has every one left cunniffe out? is he a long term injury?
the following team would not surprise me Saturday, I dont think dillion orTrevor are fully fit and word on the street Nallen is flying.
Ok the Aidan o shea thing is a bit left field but Long term i think thats where he'll end up with mayo. i dont think he has the spacial awareness needed for FF
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Ya must have some wooden spoon Ros for all the stirring you're at :D
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 14, 2009, 11:41:46 PM
We all saw what happened against Galway last year when Conroy and Boyle were hauled off in the first half.
This should be no time of year for experimenting. Roll on Saturday.
Very few people here were in favor of conroy or boyle even more so starting last year . It was fairly obvious they were not ready for the fray.
where as this year even the most debatable of starters (cafferkey/Harte) have their supporters ,
;D
Or Peadar Gardiner
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Spot on ros but throw in Dermot Geraghty in place of Liam O'Malley and I reckon that's the team.
Quote from: stephenite on June 15, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
;D
Or Peadar Gardiner
I wonder how long it will take this year for the annual "Sure Gardiner goes forward too much and he can't defend for sh*te" brigade come out?
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 15, 2009, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 15, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
;D
Or Peadar Gardiner
I wonder how long it will take this year for the annual "Sure Gardiner goes forward too much and he can't defend for sh*te" brigade come out?
Probably about as long as it takes to get back from the full forward line :D
I think the generous inclusion of Mcgarrity shows i have no bias
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 01:53:17 AM
I think the generous inclusion of Mcgarrity shows i have no bias
As does the fact I haven't mentioned James ;)
saturday or sunday?
From the lightnevergoes out or something like that mayo website,
THE day I get sick of Mayo beating Roscommon is the day I lose my lust for life. You cannot beat them enough! And by the same token there's no one more insufferable to lose to either.
We probably should hate Galway more than we hate the Rossies but there's an acknowledgement of Galway's pedigree and a cursory nod to their footballing principles. But Roscommon bring out a different animal in us altogether.
We are regarded as good losers (no spot prizes for the first wag to say we get enough practice) but Roscommon is the exception. We cannot abide it. Even in the FBD league, there is never a good time to lose to the Rossies.
Why is this? Its not as if Roscommon have visited despair on us all the time – we certainly have the upper hand on them. And its not as we're driven by jealousy at their success – again Galway would be the target here.
No I think the hatred we reserve for the Rossies is for one very simple reason – their supporters. At the risk of being racist I don't know of any more obnoxious or ignorant group of GAA people in the country than Rossie supporters! I know not of any other county whose supporters so personally abuse opposition players.
I don't know any other county supporters who so vigoursly fling insults at opposition supporters. Not witty remarks mind, but highly personal and rude stuff.
I've seen it time and time again at Mayo Roscommon matches for it not to be a few isolated incidents. But I recall especially one incident that sums up a lot of it. It was at the infamous (for Mayo) 2001 Connacht final when Eddie Lohan scored that late, late goal after David Nestor looked to have stolen success for us with a goal a minute before.
Our group had been jubilant when that Nestor goal went in. Not gloating, just cheering. Then Lohan hit the killer goal and a family of a wife and husband and a son and daughter, neither of whom were even teenagers, turned around and used what should have been their own time for celebration to hurl insults at us.
'Take that ye c****' and 'shove that up your h***' and 'go home to f*** now ye boggers with yer tails between yer legs'. We were stupified.
And, let's be fair, its not every Rossie who acts like this. And every county has a few clowns or yahoos who engage in this behaviour. But, per capita, Roscommon certainly have more of this ilk of 'supporter' than anywhere else. Customers, as Johnny Maughan would call them.
Certaily publicans in Castlebar this weekend will welcome the custom that Saturday's game will bring but they'd much rather to be hosting Galway supporters than Rossies because the Rossies have been known to create more trouble than any other supporters.
And then there's Ballaghaderreen, which the Rossie supporters spend all day and night moaning about. A town historically in Mayo and moved into Roscommon for reasons of rates cuts and the people of Ballaghaderreen's insistance on remaining in Mayo GAA since is something the Rossies cannot understand. I wouldn't blame the Ballaghs for waiting in Mayo GAA either!
I'm sure to the untrained eye this looks like a crazy, paranoid rant. But it is not something only I feel. Ask any Mayo supporter of their thoughts on Rossies and most will concur with me.
All that being said life would be dull without them. Intense rivalry is a great part of sport. The Rossies would, grudingly, say the same about us. I wonder why they hate us. And I wonder is it just for us that such scorn is reserved? Come what may there's no doubting that Mayo Roscommon clashes evoke the best and worst of both counties.
All of which makes defeat on Saturday unthinkable. Unfortunately though, impossible it is not.
We plan to disect most angles possible about Saturday during the week. We just said we'd start with the most stand-out – both counties sheer hatred of each other!
Thats a disgraceful article, considering the abuse ive seen mayofans give mort over the yrs (yer best forward) ;), and ive been on the receiving end myself and remember mcdonald family stopped going to games becuase of the abuse he got. there some joke if they cant see it themselves. They some cheek going on ballaghdereen when you see whats going in bellaghy which was never in mayo and still isnt but ive accepted whats happened there because i know it will stop soon.
Hopefully this will get back to FOD and the players. Stupid article, and will definitly rile Roscommon. Let the battle commence 8).
Quote from: stephenite on June 15, 2009, 02:33:41 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 01:53:17 AM
I think the generous inclusion of Mcgarrity shows i have no bias
As does the fact I haven't mentioned James ;)
While you are at it, why didn't you include David Heaney? ;D
Remember the game in Salthill '07?
At a crucial stage in the second half, he had a shot at goal blocked down and gave the ball away.
He was inside the 21 at the time!
I think we have much more nailed on starters this year than we had last year. Some fellas are making stuff up they'd like to see themselves but has no basis in fact - Parsons at CF for example when has he ever played there for Mayo at senior level - never as far as I can recall. Every time he came on in the league Harte moved to the half forwards and he went to midfield. I don't think a leopard like Johnno is going to change his spots like that come Championship.
For me nailed down are Nos. 1,2,3,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14.
Clarke is first choice goalie and O'Malley is back up with Clarke out it's O'Malley's jersey.
LO'M and Cafferkey played pretty much all the league and won't be moved. Howley is in possession of the No. 6 especially since Cunniffe his only challenger is out injured. McGarrity and Parsons will play midfield. Dillon, Trev and Harte will play in the half forward line assuming they are fit (Trev and Harte may swap but both will play). CMort will play - he's back from injury and is pretty much our top scorer for the last 5 years it would be crazy not to start him at least. O'Sé is our FF.
That leaves the team like this. With those already mentioned I'd have
O'Malley
O'Malley Cafferkey McLaughlin
Gardiner Howley Higgins
McGarrity Parsons
Dillon Trevor Harte
C Mort O'Sé A Moran
It's tough on a couple of players Vaughan, B Moran, Austie and Ronaldson in particular who all showed well in the league. I'm firmly of the opinion that Heaney and Nallen should be used as rather than starters. Austie is probably a better corner forward than full forward but I don't think you can trust him. Higgins probably got better challenges from the hurling game than the useless challenge games we've been playing over the last while and he's been our best player over the last 2 yrs. If he doesn't start this he prob won't start against Galway and we'll need him then.
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 15, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Spot on ros but throw in Dermot Geraghty in place of Liam O'Malley and I reckon that's the team.
What have you heard?
Cafferkey will be at the edge of the square and he will have his hands full with Kilbride. Can't see Nallen stating but we'll probably see him at some stage.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
From the lightnevergoes out or something like that mayo website,
THE day I get sick of Mayo beating Roscommon is the day I lose my lust for life. You cannot beat them enough! And by the same token there's no one more insufferable to lose to either.
We probably should hate Galway more than we hate the Rossies but there's an acknowledgement of Galway's pedigree and a cursory nod to their footballing principles. But Roscommon bring out a different animal in us altogether.
We are regarded as good losers (no spot prizes for the first wag to say we get enough practice) but Roscommon is the exception. We cannot abide it. Even in the FBD league, there is never a good time to lose to the Rossies.
Why is this? Its not as if Roscommon have visited despair on us all the time – we certainly have the upper hand on them. And its not as we're driven by jealousy at their success – again Galway would be the target here.
No I think the hatred we reserve for the Rossies is for one very simple reason – their supporters. At the risk of being racist I don't know of any more obnoxious or ignorant group of GAA people in the country than Rossie supporters! I know not of any other county whose supporters so personally abuse opposition players.
I don't know any other county supporters who so vigoursly fling insults at opposition supporters. Not witty remarks mind, but highly personal and rude stuff.
I've seen it time and time again at Mayo Roscommon matches for it not to be a few isolated incidents. But I recall especially one incident that sums up a lot of it. It was at the infamous (for Mayo) 2001 Connacht final when Eddie Lohan scored that late, late goal after David Nestor looked to have stolen success for us with a goal a minute before.
Our group had been jubilant when that Nestor goal went in. Not gloating, just cheering. Then Lohan hit the killer goal and a family of a wife and husband and a son and daughter, neither of whom were even teenagers, turned around and used what should have been their own time for celebration to hurl insults at us.
'Take that ye c****' and 'shove that up your h***' and 'go home to f*** now ye boggers with yer tails between yer legs'. We were stupified.
And, let's be fair, its not every Rossie who acts like this. And every county has a few clowns or yahoos who engage in this behaviour. But, per capita, Roscommon certainly have more of this ilk of 'supporter' than anywhere else. Customers, as Johnny Maughan would call them.
Certaily publicans in Castlebar this weekend will welcome the custom that Saturday's game will bring but they'd much rather to be hosting Galway supporters than Rossies because the Rossies have been known to create more trouble than any other supporters.
And then there's Ballaghaderreen, which the Rossie supporters spend all day and night moaning about. A town historically in Mayo and moved into Roscommon for reasons of rates cuts and the people of Ballaghaderreen's insistance on remaining in Mayo GAA since is something the Rossies cannot understand. I wouldn't blame the Ballaghs for waiting in Mayo GAA either!
I'm sure to the untrained eye this looks like a crazy, paranoid rant. But it is not something only I feel. Ask any Mayo supporter of their thoughts on Rossies and most will concur with me.
All that being said life would be dull without them. Intense rivalry is a great part of sport. The Rossies would, grudingly, say the same about us. I wonder why they hate us. And I wonder is it just for us that such scorn is reserved? Come what may there's no doubting that Mayo Roscommon clashes evoke the best and worst of both counties.
All of which makes defeat on Saturday unthinkable. Unfortunately though, impossible it is not.
We plan to disect most angles possible about Saturday during the week. We just said we'd start with the most stand-out – both counties sheer hatred of each other!
Thats a disgraceful article, considering the abuse ive seen mayofans give mort over the yrs (yer best forward) ;), and ive been on the receiving end myself and remember mcdonald family stopped going to games becuase of the abuse he got. there some joke if they cant see it themselves. They some cheek going on ballaghdereen when you see whats going in bellaghy which was never in mayo and still isnt but ive accepted whats happened there because i know it will stop soon.
Hopefully this will get back to FOD and the players. Stupid article, and will definitly rile Roscommon. Let the battle commence 8).
I would take that type of abuse from a Rossie and his family any day, its better than having some smug Kerry supporter being patronising to you 10 minutes into an All Ireland, its the Kerry supporters that try me over the edge.
A sneak preview of the new stand and press box in McHale park for those who haven't been in Castlebar lately. Photos courtesy of Jack Loftus on castlebar.ie http://www.castlebar.ie/JLoftus/McHale_Park_Stand_Update.shtml
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Looks like alot of work still to do :-\, those pics are from 11/06/09, I have a few criticisms if i were from mayo but since im not i wont dislose them, no point.
Looks like they just got to finish painting the steps primrose.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on June 15, 2009, 03:46:03 PM
Looks like they just got to finish painting the steps primrose.
They want to have the Roscommon colours up by the weekend obviously. ;D
QuoteQuote from: Turlough O Carolan on Today at 03:46:03 PM
Looks like they just got to finish painting the steps primrose.
They want to have the Roscommon colours up by the weekend obviously.
We're nothing if not good hosts ;)
That could be taking it slighty too far though...
Going on those photos it's most unimpressive! The monstrosity on the MacHale Rd side looks like what the Brits used to have over Crossmaglens ground :o. TV As for the blue seats :-[ what were they thinking...unless they represent the Fine Gael colours!
is it a cantilever roof? or are those pillars supporting the roof?
Pillars. Probably an architectural nod to the old stand that stood there.
No, it's not a cantilever roof. The poles are permanent :(
They seem to be fairly thin in comparison to the big girders that were in the old stand. Apparently it would have cost another million for a cantilever roof...
And I wouldn't want to be sitting in the back corner of the stand where your view seems to be blocked by the side of the stand.
knew well the fcukers were too mean to build a cantilver stand.
Good article there flamestillburns :)
Anyway, here's my own team for Sunday.
K O'Malley
L O'Malley (if fit)
Cafferkey
McLoughlin
Gardiner
Howley
Cunniffe
McGarrity
Parsons
Harte
Trevor
Dillon
Mortimer
O'Shea
Moran
True muppet, Caff will have his hands full against Kilbride, but he's had his hands full against Meehan in the league and Meehan didn't do much that day I believe. I heard that Liam O'Malley got injured. O'Mahony himself was on the radio talking about it. Then again.....
Seems to be a doubt whether its Liam or Kenneth O Malley? Maybe both?
Cunniffe is definately out...
Well throw in D Vaughan instead of him into my team then.
Quote from: moysider on June 15, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Seems to be a doubt whether its Liam or Kenneth O Malley? Maybe both?
Liam O'Malley is a seriously injury worry. Kenneth would appear to be sound.
I'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough. Maybe Nallen will get a spot there?
Anyway as for the stand - very disappointing.
To care with the County Board go the whole way and do the full thing properly. This project is costing €15m in a recession! A ticket is €400.00 per year for all league games and any championship matches. Its hard to justify, and then, and its only a small thing to get right but I think it is what most people will comment on, they lob in blue feckin seats. BLUE!! Christ above - would green and red have gone astray. i don't know of any other county ground in the country where the colours don't match the county colours.
So some random pics:
Carrick
(http://clubdir.gaa.ie/leitrim/st_marys/images/Hsquad%20V%20Ballina07.JPG)
The Hyde (stand in the distance)
(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00162/hydepark_162266t.jpg)
Galway
(http://www.pearsestadium.ie/images/header3.jpg)
Sligo have done up their ground. Derry have red and white, as have Tyrone. Ballybofey now have the green and yellow. Offaly yesterday had green white and gold. And so on and on and on...
BLUE!!
Someone has it up that it's probably the FG factor that's sweeping the county now... :'(
QuoteI'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough.
FB line will not come under much pressure as we will dominate the middle third where the sheep men are weak. Game should give us a chance to look at different options as we wont be under much pressure. Just hope the team keep playing at a reasonable level of intensity and pace regardless of how much we are winning by.
Mayo by 12+ regardless of who lines out.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
QuoteI'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough.
FB line will not come under much pressure as we will dominate the middle third where the sheep men are weak. Game should give us a chance to look at different options as we wont be under much pressure. Just hope the team keep playing at a reasonable level of intensity and pace regardless of how much we are winning by.
Mayo by 12+ regardless of who lines out.
Ah Mick, welcome back. It must have been a year since you were here, it's a wonder you haven't the Mayo v Galway Connacht final thread up. ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2009, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
QuoteI'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough.
FB line will not come under much pressure as we will dominate the middle third where the sheep men are weak. Game should give us a chance to look at different options as we wont be under much pressure. Just hope the team keep playing at a reasonable level of intensity and pace regardless of how much we are winning by.
Mayo by 12+ regardless of who lines out.
Ah Mick, welcome back. It must have been a year since you were here, it's a wonder you haven't the Mayo v Galway Connacht final thread up. ::)
Decided against it as people might think us arrogant. To be honest it is the quarter final that will be our first real test depending on how the qualifiers go. We will take Galway handily enough as I dont see them having pushed on anything since last year. W'ell never have a better chance of an AI than this year as only Cork and Tyrone are likely to threaten us and we are well able for either of those. Just a pity that it will probably be a few weeks before Enda becomes Taoiseach.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2009, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
QuoteI'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough.
FB line will not come under much pressure as we will dominate the middle third where the sheep men are weak. Game should give us a chance to look at different options as we wont be under much pressure. Just hope the team keep playing at a reasonable level of intensity and pace regardless of how much we are winning by.
Mayo by 12+ regardless of who lines out.
Ah Mick, welcome back. It must have been a year since you were here, it's a wonder you haven't the Mayo v Galway Connacht final thread up. ::)
Decided against it as people might think us arrogant. To be honest it is the quarter final that will be our first real test depending on how the qualifiers go. We will take Galway handily enough as I dont see them having pushed on anything since last year. W'ell never have a better chance of an AI than this year as only Cork and Tyrone are likely to threaten us and we are well able for either of those. Just a pity that it will probably be a few weeks before Enda becomes Taoiseach.
Mayo Mick you're not related to Sligonian by any chance? ;D
QuoteMayo Mick you're not related to Sligonian by any chance?
A neighbour of Tom Parsons I'd say
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2009, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
QuoteI'm not a Liam O'Malley fan but that is bad news - looks like a complete novice full-back line so. Vaughan Caff and McLough.
FB line will not come under much pressure as we will dominate the middle third where the sheep men are weak. Game should give us a chance to look at different options as we wont be under much pressure. Just hope the team keep playing at a reasonable level of intensity and pace regardless of how much we are winning by.
Mayo by 12+ regardless of who lines out.
Ah Mick, welcome back. It must have been a year since you were here, it's a wonder you haven't the Mayo v Galway Connacht final thread up. ::)
Decided against it as people might think us arrogant. To be honest it is the quarter final that will be our first real test depending on how the qualifiers go. We will take Galway handily enough as I dont see them having pushed on anything since last year. W'ell never have a better chance of an AI than this year as only Cork and Tyrone are likely to threaten us and we are well able for either of those. Just a pity that it will probably be a few weeks before Enda becomes Taoiseach.
Mayo Mick you're not related to Sligonian by any chance? ;D
Problem? How dare you give a mayoman a compliment like that, Ive only one relation in mayo claremorris, great aunt and she knows her football, and she loves Sligo so I let her away with being from mayo, she somehow doesnt have the arrogance most people in mayo have but then again she is a relation of mine ;).
the stand in the hyde has no pillars,even if the stand is in the wrong place... a mile away from the pitch.The stand in carrick has no pillers, even if the stand is facing into the west to catch every drop of rain that falls. & In the windy city of galway there are no pillars.
Roll on Saturday :)
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they'll probably paint all the seats on Saturday morning
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
From the lightnevergoes out or something like that mayo website,
THE day I get sick of Mayo beating Roscommon is the day I lose my lust for life. You cannot beat them enough! And by the same token there's no one more insufferable to lose to either.
We probably should hate Galway more than we hate the Rossies but there's an acknowledgement of Galway's pedigree and a cursory nod to their footballing principles. But Roscommon bring out a different animal in us altogether.
We are regarded as good losers (no spot prizes for the first wag to say we get enough practice) but Roscommon is the exception. We cannot abide it. Even in the FBD league, there is never a good time to lose to the Rossies.
Why is this? Its not as if Roscommon have visited despair on us all the time – we certainly have the upper hand on them. And its not as we're driven by jealousy at their success – again Galway would be the target here.
No I think the hatred we reserve for the Rossies is for one very simple reason – their supporters. At the risk of being racist I don't know of any more obnoxious or ignorant group of GAA people in the country than Rossie supporters! I know not of any other county whose supporters so personally abuse opposition players.
I don't know any other county supporters who so vigoursly fling insults at opposition supporters. Not witty remarks mind, but highly personal and rude stuff.
I've seen it time and time again at Mayo Roscommon matches for it not to be a few isolated incidents. But I recall especially one incident that sums up a lot of it. It was at the infamous (for Mayo) 2001 Connacht final when Eddie Lohan scored that late, late goal after David Nestor looked to have stolen success for us with a goal a minute before.
Our group had been jubilant when that Nestor goal went in. Not gloating, just cheering. Then Lohan hit the killer goal and a family of a wife and husband and a son and daughter, neither of whom were even teenagers, turned around and used what should have been their own time for celebration to hurl insults at us.
'Take that ye c****' and 'shove that up your h***' and 'go home to f*** now ye boggers with yer tails between yer legs'. We were stupified.
And, let's be fair, its not every Rossie who acts like this. And every county has a few clowns or yahoos who engage in this behaviour. But, per capita, Roscommon certainly have more of this ilk of 'supporter' than anywhere else. Customers, as Johnny Maughan would call them.
Certaily publicans in Castlebar this weekend will welcome the custom that Saturday's game will bring but they'd much rather to be hosting Galway supporters than Rossies because the Rossies have been known to create more trouble than any other supporters.
And then there's Ballaghaderreen, which the Rossie supporters spend all day and night moaning about. A town historically in Mayo and moved into Roscommon for reasons of rates cuts and the people of Ballaghaderreen's insistance on remaining in Mayo GAA since is something the Rossies cannot understand. I wouldn't blame the Ballaghs for waiting in Mayo GAA either!
I'm sure to the untrained eye this looks like a crazy, paranoid rant. But it is not something only I feel. Ask any Mayo supporter of their thoughts on Rossies and most will concur with me.
All that being said life would be dull without them. Intense rivalry is a great part of sport. The Rossies would, grudingly, say the same about us. I wonder why they hate us. And I wonder is it just for us that such scorn is reserved? Come what may there's no doubting that Mayo Roscommon clashes evoke the best and worst of both counties.
All of which makes defeat on Saturday unthinkable. Unfortunately though, impossible it is not.
We plan to disect most angles possible about Saturday during the week. We just said we'd start with the most stand-out – both counties sheer hatred of each other!
Thats a disgraceful article, considering the abuse ive seen mayofans give mort over the yrs (yer best forward) ;), and ive been on the receiving end myself and remember mcdonald family stopped going to games becuase of the abuse he got. there some joke if they cant see it themselves. They some cheek going on ballaghdereen when you see whats going in bellaghy which was never in mayo and still isnt but ive accepted whats happened there because i know it will stop soon.
Hopefully this will get back to FOD and the players. Stupid article, and will definitly rile Roscommon. Let the battle commence 8).
That article reflects the reality of having to deal with the Roscommoners......cannot beat them often enough and by enough.
That stand is f**king awful
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
From the lightnevergoes out or something like that mayo website,
THE day I get sick of Mayo beating Roscommon is the day I lose my lust for life. You cannot beat them enough! And by the same token there's no one more insufferable to lose to either.
We probably should hate Galway more than we hate the Rossies but there's an acknowledgement of Galway's pedigree and a cursory nod to their footballing principles. But Roscommon bring out a different animal in us altogether.
We are regarded as good losers (no spot prizes for the first wag to say we get enough practice) but Roscommon is the exception. We cannot abide it. Even in the FBD league, there is never a good time to lose to the Rossies.
Why is this? Its not as if Roscommon have visited despair on us all the time – we certainly have the upper hand on them. And its not as we're driven by jealousy at their success – again Galway would be the target here.
No I think the hatred we reserve for the Rossies is for one very simple reason – their supporters. At the risk of being racist I don't know of any more obnoxious or ignorant group of GAA people in the country than Rossie supporters! I know not of any other county whose supporters so personally abuse opposition players.
I don't know any other county supporters who so vigoursly fling insults at opposition supporters. Not witty remarks mind, but highly personal and rude stuff.
I've seen it time and time again at Mayo Roscommon matches for it not to be a few isolated incidents. But I recall especially one incident that sums up a lot of it. It was at the infamous (for Mayo) 2001 Connacht final when Eddie Lohan scored that late, late goal after David Nestor looked to have stolen success for us with a goal a minute before.
Our group had been jubilant when that Nestor goal went in. Not gloating, just cheering. Then Lohan hit the killer goal and a family of a wife and husband and a son and daughter, neither of whom were even teenagers, turned around and used what should have been their own time for celebration to hurl insults at us.
'Take that ye c****' and 'shove that up your h***' and 'go home to f*** now ye boggers with yer tails between yer legs'. We were stupified.
And, let's be fair, its not every Rossie who acts like this. And every county has a few clowns or yahoos who engage in this behaviour. But, per capita, Roscommon certainly have more of this ilk of 'supporter' than anywhere else. Customers, as Johnny Maughan would call them.
Certaily publicans in Castlebar this weekend will welcome the custom that Saturday's game will bring but they'd much rather to be hosting Galway supporters than Rossies because the Rossies have been known to create more trouble than any other supporters.
And then there's Ballaghaderreen, which the Rossie supporters spend all day and night moaning about. A town historically in Mayo and moved into Roscommon for reasons of rates cuts and the people of Ballaghaderreen's insistance on remaining in Mayo GAA since is something the Rossies cannot understand. I wouldn't blame the Ballaghs for waiting in Mayo GAA either!
I'm sure to the untrained eye this looks like a crazy, paranoid rant. But it is not something only I feel. Ask any Mayo supporter of their thoughts on Rossies and most will concur with me.
All that being said life would be dull without them. Intense rivalry is a great part of sport. The Rossies would, grudingly, say the same about us. I wonder why they hate us. And I wonder is it just for us that such scorn is reserved? Come what may there's no doubting that Mayo Roscommon clashes evoke the best and worst of both counties.
All of which makes defeat on Saturday unthinkable. Unfortunately though, impossible it is not.
We plan to disect most angles possible about Saturday during the week. We just said we'd start with the most stand-out – both counties sheer hatred of each other!
Thats a disgraceful article, considering the abuse ive seen mayofans give mort over the yrs (yer best forward) ;), and ive been on the receiving end myself and remember mcdonald family stopped going to games becuase of the abuse he got. there some joke if they cant see it themselves. They some cheek going on ballaghdereen when you see whats going in bellaghy which was never in mayo and still isnt but ive accepted whats happened there because i know it will stop soon.
Hopefully this will get back to FOD and the players. Stupid article, and will definitly rile Roscommon. Let the battle commence 8).
I take this as the highest form of praise possible ;D
Anyway a lot of responses to my piece so I've created a new piece to respond here - http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/responses-to-rossie-article/
This debate seems to be covering the following issues:
1. Rossie supporters are a bit rough round the edges in comparison to the gentlemen following Mayo - nothing new or startling about this.
2.Who will be picked for Mayo - grand
3. Will the architectureal masterpeice behind the goals collapse in a bit of wind - maybe.
I know it is easy to slag off Roscommon for being s**t but, and JOM wil be aware of this more than anyone, a good test from Ros could do Mayo the world of good in the long run. Bragging rights around Castlerea and Ballaghadereen don't count for much in the national sense and Connecht teams have never been successful in recent times when the province has been a two horse race so hopefully the Rossies can put in a decent performance at the weekend.
Agree about the stand. Could nt believe they put pillars in and the blue seats with yellow[primrose] leads me to suspect somebody has been messing about with photoshop.
Anyway to this Mayo/Roscommon bitterness. For 2 counties that have come up short over last nearly 60 years it takes some working out why such dislike exists between us. Personally I dont believe Ballagh to be a big factor.
Anybody interested enough to examine Mayo football championship results since we last won AI is bound to come away with a heavy heart. Those that think Mayo football began in, say, 85 or 96, might console themselves that we were unlucky or whatever. From 51 to 67 was a wasteland as were the 70 s. In fact the last 50 years of Mayo in AI championship reads like a series of car crashes.
In that time we ve lost to Sligo and Leitrim at least twice each and our toe to toe with Galway is so lopsided it hardly makes for a proper rivalry. This is where Roscommon comes in - because Mayo s nemisis in modern times has been Roscommon. We ve met 27 times in Championship in last 50 years. 2 draws. Ros won 10. Mayo won 15.
Mayo only won 1 from 6 meetings in the 70 s and a lot of our bitterness comes from there. I remember as a kid standing through the 4 consecutive defeats 1977- 1980.
A lot of crowing. A fearure of the Ros support was gangs of young fellas singing songs and stuff. There were a lot of Rossies havin a laugh around Castlebar and in Ros town in those years. And we were a disgrace to be honest. Spineless.
Most of Mayo s success v Ros has come in last 25 years. Duggans free taken 5 yards closer in( no free in first place) in 91 resulted in a rare Ros win after a replay and the gift in 01 still beggars belief. In fact since the crowing reached a cresendo in 1980 Ros has only won 3 of the subsequent 17 meetings( 2 draws). And those 3 wins were more to do with Mayo bottling it than anything Roscommon did. Recent results cant sit easily on Rossies that were used to being c**k- a- hoop back in the 70s as young fellas. Recent Ros managers have come to learn this.
The meeting 10 years ago also was a bitter blow to Roscommon. Unlike 01 when we handed it over in 99 they were bullish coming into Castlebar. Paul Early on the telly( still have the recording) said the curves had crossed with Mayo on the downward. Mayo destroyed Ros and management legends Sheeerin and Tony Mac looking on fumin. We scored something like 20 points with Ros supporters getting the cheerio with ten minutes to go.
Anyway what this amounts to is for Roscommon to win the next day Mayo have to f**k up to an extent. End of. But we ve f**ked up often enough to give Ros a glimmer this Saturday.
Quote from: The flame still burns on June 16, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 15, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
From the lightnevergoes out or something like that mayo website,
THE day I get sick of Mayo beating Roscommon is the day I lose my lust for life. You cannot beat them enough! And by the same token there's no one more insufferable to lose to either.
We probably should hate Galway more than we hate the Rossies but there's an acknowledgement of Galway's pedigree and a cursory nod to their footballing principles. But Roscommon bring out a different animal in us altogether.
We are regarded as good losers (no spot prizes for the first wag to say we get enough practice) but Roscommon is the exception. We cannot abide it. Even in the FBD league, there is never a good time to lose to the Rossies.
Why is this? Its not as if Roscommon have visited despair on us all the time – we certainly have the upper hand on them. And its not as we're driven by jealousy at their success – again Galway would be the target here.
No I think the hatred we reserve for the Rossies is for one very simple reason – their supporters. At the risk of being racist I don't know of any more obnoxious or ignorant group of GAA people in the country than Rossie supporters! I know not of any other county whose supporters so personally abuse opposition players.
I don't know any other county supporters who so vigoursly fling insults at opposition supporters. Not witty remarks mind, but highly personal and rude stuff.
I've seen it time and time again at Mayo Roscommon matches for it not to be a few isolated incidents. But I recall especially one incident that sums up a lot of it. It was at the infamous (for Mayo) 2001 Connacht final when Eddie Lohan scored that late, late goal after David Nestor looked to have stolen success for us with a goal a minute before.
Our group had been jubilant when that Nestor goal went in. Not gloating, just cheering. Then Lohan hit the killer goal and a family of a wife and husband and a son and daughter, neither of whom were even teenagers, turned around and used what should have been their own time for celebration to hurl insults at us.
'Take that ye c****' and 'shove that up your h***' and 'go home to f*** now ye boggers with yer tails between yer legs'. We were stupified.
And, let's be fair, its not every Rossie who acts like this. And every county has a few clowns or yahoos who engage in this behaviour. But, per capita, Roscommon certainly have more of this ilk of 'supporter' than anywhere else. Customers, as Johnny Maughan would call them.
Certaily publicans in Castlebar this weekend will welcome the custom that Saturday's game will bring but they'd much rather to be hosting Galway supporters than Rossies because the Rossies have been known to create more trouble than any other supporters.
And then there's Ballaghaderreen, which the Rossie supporters spend all day and night moaning about. A town historically in Mayo and moved into Roscommon for reasons of rates cuts and the people of Ballaghaderreen's insistance on remaining in Mayo GAA since is something the Rossies cannot understand. I wouldn't blame the Ballaghs for waiting in Mayo GAA either!
I'm sure to the untrained eye this looks like a crazy, paranoid rant. But it is not something only I feel. Ask any Mayo supporter of their thoughts on Rossies and most will concur with me.
All that being said life would be dull without them. Intense rivalry is a great part of sport. The Rossies would, grudingly, say the same about us. I wonder why they hate us. And I wonder is it just for us that such scorn is reserved? Come what may there's no doubting that Mayo Roscommon clashes evoke the best and worst of both counties.
All of which makes defeat on Saturday unthinkable. Unfortunately though, impossible it is not.
We plan to disect most angles possible about Saturday during the week. We just said we'd start with the most stand-out – both counties sheer hatred of each other!
Thats a disgraceful article, considering the abuse ive seen mayofans give mort over the yrs (yer best forward) ;), and ive been on the receiving end myself and remember mcdonald family stopped going to games becuase of the abuse he got. there some joke if they cant see it themselves. They some cheek going on ballaghdereen when you see whats going in bellaghy which was never in mayo and still isnt but ive accepted whats happened there because i know it will stop soon.
Hopefully this will get back to FOD and the players. Stupid article, and will definitly rile Roscommon. Let the battle commence 8).
I take this as the highest form of praise possible ;D
Anyway a lot of responses to my piece so I've created a new piece to respond here - http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/responses-to-rossie-article/
What about the 1000s of rossie fans getting behind mayo in AI in 06 not that there was much to get behind ;D. Does that not contradict your argument about the majority. Its just an attention seeking article that has no basis on the majority argument you came to.
In fairness moysider wrote a good piece although the singing and crowing I dont do etc.. i would find it more cringeworthy than spineless.
Oh and by the way reference to my comment about FOD, JOM has been known to use motivation for AI final using the opinion of journos and what not, (What extra incentive do you need for AI final) it all helps galway won and also remember how McEniff motivated molloy in 92, it all helps fuel and focus the hatred. Id be shocked if JOM didnt use OHaras comment in the SINDO last yr, I would of.
sorry this post is a bit late, but im in oz and its the first time ive seen the new stand and i have to say that stand is brutal.
penny pinching is all it is to be putting in those pillars, in this day and age there is no need for them at all and i wouldnt think its an architectural nod to the previous one either, columns are cheaper than cantilevers simple as.
cant for the life of me understand why the seats are blue either - i mean seriously - blue, where the hell did that come out of? whatever company was responsible for the design and whoever approved that design within the county board shouldnt be let near a big infrastructure job like that again.
no doubt a new stand was needed but in essence all they have done is narrowed the colums that were there and spent 15million in the process. ah i dont know.
anyway as regards the match, there can surely be only one winner in this?
does anyone know if the match is on tv in sydney? if its live itll be a hoor of a time to have to watch it. but what can ya do!
Quote from: prewtna on June 16, 2009, 07:28:09 AM
does anyone know if the match is on tv in sydney? if its live itll be a hoor of a time to have to watch it. but what can ya do!
Yeah it's live on Setanta sports Oz. 2AM throw in. I'm sure it'll be on in cheers, Paddy McGuires and Scruffy's.
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2009, 01:10:10 AM
Agree about the stand. Could nt believe they put pillars in and the blue seats with yellow[primrose] leads me to suspect somebody has been messing about with photoshop.
Whateve about the seats the columns are there to stay, from an earlier photo below they are supporting the truss running along the lenght. What is supposed to be the budget for the redevelopment? They should be getting real value over the last 18 months unless htey had contracts signed up way in advance and couldnt take advantage of the drop in prices over the last 18months
http://mayogaablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/mchale-park-new-stand___.jpg
These are the facts delivered by the County Board at the launch of seat sales and reported in the Western:
QuoteFailure not an option warns County Board
By Michael Gallagher
THE recession may be biting hard across the globe but as the Mayo County Board set about financing the construction of the new stand and extra facilities at McHale Park, club delegates have been told that failure to raise the necessary capital is not an option.
In a presentation delivered to county board members in Castlebar last week, the five-year finance plan to fund the redevelopment of the county ground was unveiled.
The objective of the plan is an obvious one - to raise enough capital to pay the interest and commence repayments on the McHale Park Development loan, while trying not to interfere with existing County Board and Club fundraising activities.
An expanded Finance Committee is being put in place which, it's hoped, will include representatives from the clubs in the county, the business community, Mayo supporters clubs, Mayo Associations throughout the world and the media.
It is envisaged that this committe will co-ordinate and implement the task of raising the neccessary funding to pay for the impressive new development, both at home and abroad.
The urgency of this situation was explained to the delegates and they were told that this fundraising drive would initially take place over two or three months and would be constantly under review.
The bare bones of the situation is that •800,000 is required annually to meet the requirements of the development loan with capital repayments costing •500,000 and interest requiring an annual payment of
•300,000.
In the presentation to delegates, the plans to raise the annual financial requirements were revealed. The County Board Development Draw will bring in •300,000, the Supporters Club will come up with
•50,000 while advertising (Croke Park) will bring in a further
•140,000. The other •310,000 required will be raised from advertising and seat sales in McHale Park itself.
Those elements of the fundraising plan include the naming of McHale Park/ stand, advertising on the TV tower, floodlights, netting poles and hoarding around the stadium. The other main constituent of the fundraising drive is the sale of seats and seat packages to divisional boards, clubs, businesses and the public.
The responsibility for selling these various advertising slots and seat packages will be divided up between the County Board officers and the Finance Committee, with the latter having sole charge of the sale of seats.
Initial targets suggest that almost 1,100 seats need to be sold and this would bring in more than •450,000. Of course, to achieve this success-fully will require a huge amount of effort and goodwill but the new Finance Committee are determined to leave no stone unturned in their quest.
In general discussion at the meeting it was hoped that there will be a strong and enthusiastic uptake on the various packages and while delegates were conscious of the general economic situation they were also aware that the neccessary finances have to be raised.
As one line on the presentation slideshow explained "Failure is not an option."
A NUMBER of different packages are available to supporters wishing to purchase season tickets for McHale Park's new stand, designed specifically to suit the needs of Limited companies, large and small businesses, and individuals.
GOLD STAR MEMBERS:
€3,000 per year for minimum of a five year period (limited to 30 companies) offering (a) Each company six seats in the new stand for all National League, senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and all Mayo Club Championship matches, (b) Four metre advertising board in front of new stand or behind both goals at pitch level for all National League and Club Championship matches fixed in McHale Park for five years, (c) Free membership for six guests to Corporate Area for a period of two hours before and after all big matches, (d) Opportunity to purchase six All-Ireland Senior Football Final tickets when Mayo are competing.
SILVER STAR MEMBERS:
€2,000 per year for minimum of a five year period (limited to 30 companies) offering (a) Each company four seats in the new stand for all National League, senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and all Mayo Club Championship matches, (b) Four metre advertising board at pitch level on sideline opposite new stand for all National League and Club Championship matches fixed in McHale Park for five years, (c) Free membership for four guests to Corporate Area for a period of two hours before and after all big matches, (d) Opportunity to purchase four All-Ireland Senior Football Final tickets when Mayo are competing.
BRONZE STAR MEMBERS:
€1,000 per year for minimum of a five year period (limited to 100 businesses) offering (a) Each business two seats in the new stand for all National League, senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and all Mayo Club Championship matches, (b) 3.5 metre advertising board at high level behind both goals and both sides of camera tower on McHale Road side of the pitch for all National League and Club Championship matches fixed in McHale Park for five years, (c) Free membership for two guests to Corporate Area for a period of two hours before and after all big matches, (d) Opportunity to purchase two All-Ireland Senior Football Final tickets when Mayo are competing.
BUSINESS MEMBER:
€2,000 per year for clubs, associations or business, offering six seats in the new stand for all National League and senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and for all Mayo Club Championship matches in McHale Park.
FAMILY MEMBER:
•1,000 per year for clubs, family or business, offering three seats in the new stand for all National League and senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and for all Mayo Club Championship matches in McHale Park.
GREEN AND RED MEMBERS:
€400 per year (limited to 1,000 seats) offering (a) A seat in the new stand for all National League, senior inter-county championship matches involving Mayo and all Mayo Club Championship matches, (b) Opportunity to purchase one All-Ireland senior football final ticket when Mayo are competing.
For season ticket or details of the various advertising opportunities that exist in McHale Park, contact any member of the McHale Park Development Committee: James Waldron (087-2855744), Sean Feeney (087-6838484), JP Lambe (087-2333392), Tommy Goonan (087-2624388), Michael Diskin (087-6680115), Brendan Byrne (087-2613030), Paddy McNicholas (085-1744117), Donal McEllin, Mick Byrne (087-2894277), John Surdival (087-2587828), Jack King (087-2595573), Eddie Cuffe (087-2459104), Eamonn Clarke (087-2666059), Peter McLoughlin (087-2801941).
It really id scary to think that the future of Mayo football has been mortgaged to pay for this half-job.
I was told that the decision to go for the blue seats was taken because they don't fade as fast as green or red seats.
Seems a pretty poor reason to me. The green in O'Connor Park in Tullamore or in Carrick, and the red in Derry and Tyrone (although they're still new) show no signs of fading.
Anyway, whatever about the stand, I hope the Mayo performance generates more positive reviews :)
I think we might see:
O'Malley
Vaughan Cafferkey McLoughlin
Gardiner Howley Heaney
Parsons McGarrity
Harte T Mort Dillon
C Mort A O Se A Moran
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Quote from: Bod Mor on June 15, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Spot on ros but throw in Dermot Geraghty in place of Liam O'Malley and I reckon that's the team.
What have you heard?
Cafferkey will be at the edge of the square and he will have his hands full with Kilbride. Can't see Nallen stating but we'll probably see him at some stage.
Unlikely dermot will feature - not playing for club due to injury so parachuting him back into the county team would be more than a surprise
If O'malley I'd prefer Higgins to go back into the corner.
We have better cover at half back than starting young Vaughan in a rookie FB line. You could play Vaughan, A Moran or Heaney at wing back with Higgins in the corner.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
I was told that the decision to go for the blue seats was taken because they don't fade as fast as green or red seats.
While I'm not an expert in seats - that sounds like complete bollocks to me
Quote from: stephenite on June 16, 2009, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
I was told that the decision to go for the blue seats was taken because they don't fade as fast as green or red seats.
While I'm not an expert in seats - that sounds like complete bollocks to me
agree with ya stephenite once again a half arsed job by the county board :( can't see too many rushing out to buy tickets for that stand imagine if ya got a seat behing one of the pillars you would be well pleased :P
John says: Keep The Faith
Tuesday, 16 June 2009
3rd time lucky
John O'Mahony is aware of what needs to be done this summer
Interview
Mike Finnerty
Friday, JUNE 5
AS darkness fell on Garrymore GAA Club ten days ago, John O'Mahony had plenty to mull over as he pointed his car for home.
It was after 10pm when he drove along the quiet boreens that led him back towards Claremorris, thinking about Mayo's four-point defeat to Louth in a challenge match. He thought about the individual displays, the collective attitude, and the injury to David Clarke. He also thought about the performance. Always the performance.
There were two weeks remaining to the Connacht semi-final and he had watched twenty-four players audition for a role against Roscommon. Some tough decisions would have to be made.
Sunday, JUNE 6
THE clock was ticking towards 5am on Sunday morning when John O'Mahony, TD, left the Count Centre in the TF Royal Hotel & Theatre in Castlebar.
By the time the Fine Gael deputy slipped out of the Ruby Room, his party had taken six of the ten seats that were up for grabs in the Claremorris and Swinford electoral area. It had been a long day, but a good one too. Sleep would come easy.
Monday, JUNE 8
WHEN John O'Mahony woke up at home in Tower House, Ballaghaderreen he was 56 years old. Twenty-one years had passed since he first managed a Mayo team in the Connacht senior championship.
Since then, he has led three different counties to five Connacht titles and inspired Galway to two All-Irelands. The years had gone by in a blur; 1989, 1991, 1994, 1998, 2001... It was his birthday, but there was very little time to celebrate.
Wednesday, JUNE 10
It was shortly after 11am when John O'Mahony walked through the door of Buswells Hotel in Dublin, across the road from Dáil Eireann. He was dressed smartly in a navy suit with a red tie and looked every inch the public representative.
But we were here to talk about football. About Mayo. About him. He had to be gone by noon (meetings across the road) so he sipped his coffee and we began...
MF Your schedule is hectic at the moment?
JOM It's a busy time for me but that's not new, that's all factored in and it's part and parcel of life. I came up to Dublin yesterday morning, went down to Castlebar last night for training, and I came back up to Dublin again this morning. I'm here now until Friday. But I'm completely focussed on Saturday week and what that means.
MF Does the travelling and the pace of it all ever leave you drained?
JOM At this time of year, when I was teaching, I was supervising exams. I'd be leaving an exam hall at 5.30pm and heading off to training. It's not like I had my feet up then either...
But it's the same for the players. I have players that leave work in Belmullet at 6pm and head to training. We're all doing the same thing, and part of the discipline is that you can switch from your job to your football.
MF Is it getting any easier to balance the two jobs?
JOM At this time of the year you're into the intrigue and the fine-tuning of the football. The experimentation phase is over, we've had our weekend away, the team has bonded, and lads know what roles they might be playing. Now it's a matter of continually updating that.
MF Have you had to tailor your management style to reflect the fact that you spend a lot of time in Dublin?
JOM The game has evolved a lot anyway in the sense that a backroom team is now much more extensive and there's a lot more scientific advice involved. You delegate more. I do that because it needs to be done, and also because you need the input of expertise from outside anyway.
MF How has your role as Mayo manager changed since 1989?
JOM The two prime things I am at the minute is coach and man-manager. Some of the actual training of the team is delegated to Jim Kielty, in terms of advice behind the scenes, Mick Brennan, who does some of the training in Dublin, and Kieran Gallagher who does a lot of the training in Mayo. But I would also have taken part of the training session last night, I'm dipping in and out.
Delegating some of the training has allowed me to increase the man-management I can do. For instance, in the last six weeks a lot of the lads have had exams and you have to try and remove as much stress as you can from the players concerned.
MF Would you give players more leeway now than you would have ten years ago?
JOM I think the stress levels in life in general have increased. When I was a student, studying for my BA, I had no exams in second year. That's not the case anymore. You have to take that into account and make sure to explain to the squad what's happening with individual players.
There also has to be a sense of trust among the group.
MF Do you feel you've made progress with Mayo in the last two and a half years?
JOM I'd be quite pleased with the progress we've made in the sense that we've put our management stamp on things in terms of an ethos; involving not dictating, being decisive while also involving people in decisions, and motivating them from within.
MF Has it been frustrating that the championship results haven't come too?
JOM I knew when I was taking over that it was going to be particularly difficult. A lot of the players had been through four All-Ireland finals, some had been there for ten years, and I wanted to maximise the amount of time any of them could stay, but also knew that some of them just couldn't go on for ever. We knew also that we had young players coming through and they had to be brought in.
MF How disappointing were last year's close defeats against Galway and Tyrone?
JOM They were frustrating and disappointing. There's a slightly different culture in Mayo because of recent history that wouldn't be there in the likes of Galway. I realise there are people out there who say the pressure is on me.
MF Do you feel under pressure?
JOM I suppose at this stage of my career, I'm a realist. I know what needs to be done.
MF Is that to win a Connacht title?
JOM A Connacht title would be fantastic. There was frustration that we didn't achieve that last year. I think that would be a great achievement for this year but I don't think it helps Mayo for everyone to say, 'O'Mahony must get a Connacht title this year or he's gone'.
MF Have you heard that being said?
JOM I've heard that and seen that in the media, but I can't control it, and that's fine. But in some respects, the history of Mayo football in the last number of years would suggest that maybe if it was a different manager, one with less experience, might be gone before now. But does that help Mayo football? It doesn't.
MF Where is that coming from?
JOM It's not coming from me, and I'm not blaming anyone for it, I'm just acknowledging that it's there. I don't think it's helpful though.
Circumstances have changed a lot since I went into management. There's much more scrutiny and much more competition between media outlets. People have to ask, I suppose, where it's going to end.
MF Has anything you've heard or read after a bad performance or result annoyed or disappointed you?
JOM Well, I don't read as much as I used to. I have people reading the political pages for me, because I don't have time for that either, but I don't have a set-up like that for football.
I've always said over the years that I abhor personal attacks on people, whether it be players or managers. I know I've got them but, maybe when I was starting out, I'd have taken them more personally. Not now.
I always have a fair idea of the agenda behind them. Constructive criticism is not a problem, I respect that. But I don't have spare time to waste thinking too much about the other type of stuff.
MF How do you feel about the view that if we didn't win a Connacht title this year, you'd have to consider your position? Could you lift yourself again for another crack at it?
JOM I've lifted myself now for 25 years.... I'm concentrating on the Roscommon game, just like I concentrate on every single championship game we play. I don't have time to think about what the consequences would be for me, or anybody else. It's not an issue for me at the moment.
I will do as well as I can for a manager. The problem is that people's perceptions change. The reality is that I'm the same manager. Okay, I've evolved and I've learned, but you're the same manager when you win the All-Ireland as you are when you lose the first round.
MF You're a winner, that's why you work with teams. So, how does it feel to not have won more championship matches since you came back?
JOM If you win an All-Ireland, the best way you can keep the perception that people have of you is to retire on the spot. Get out at the top. I had won two senior All-Irelands so I could be perceived for the next twenty years as being a great manager and not put my neck on the line again. Now, when I do, people are saying I'm not doing the business. You can't win!
I look at all the pundits... It's a doddle. You can say one thing at half-time and a totally different thing at the end, because no-one remembers. I did punditry and I enjoyed it. But it's a lot easier than management.
MF Do you know your championship team?
JOM I'd have a fair idea. Certain factors have come into play, like injuries, but I have good back-up and options. We'll also be picking horses-for-courses in certain instances too.
MF Is the 2009 team better than the 2007 one?
JOM I'd be more pleased in the sense that I know more about them now than I did in the beginning.
MF By picking big men in the full-forward line recently, does that mean you've decided to try and play a more direct game this summer?
JOM We'll have to wait and see what tactics to use on a particular day. In some of our recent games we ran at teams too, and we did that well. So we don't want teams to second-guess what we might be doing.
Obviously there's only a few different tactics that you can use and we would like to think that we have the players and the ability to switch tactics in a particular game.
MF Since this season started, has there been a moment or a game when you've felt that the team were starting to realise their potential?
JOM What I felt during the league was that, character wise, we stood up to some difficult situations. The game in Donegal was a prime example. We had a terrible first half and we needed to stand up.
MF I gather your frustration and anger was palpable in the dressing-room at half-time that day...
JOM It was palpable for me and for the squad. Every single one of us in that dressing-room felt that what happened in the first half wasn't acceptable. I'm not going to go into the details but the outcome wasn't acceptable.
Once you accept that there's a problem, then you can look for the solution. Over the years, that's been my theory in life. You should spend more time, 80% to 90%, on the solution. Everybody involved got to the root of the problem and saw what the solution was. Everyone had to play a part; the guys on the field and we also had to make decisive calls.
Half-time in the Galway game was a similar situation.
The prophets of doom suggested that we were going to be relegated from the first division when we had Galway, Dublin and Tyrone left to play. That was the message out there, that was the vibe. But our guys stood up and said, 'No, that's not true. We're going to write our own script.'
That's the challenge now for the Connacht championship. It seems that the players are going to have to stand up and write a different script because of what some people are saying about this being the third year, the manager going, and so on...
MF Have you seen guys growing up this spring?
JOM Absolutely. Since I got involved with a Mayo senior team, the county always had great leaders. TJ Kilgallon, Willie Joe [Padden], Martin Carney, Peter Ford, John Maughan, Colm McManamon, Liam McHale, James Nallen, David Heaney, David Brady, Ciaran McDonald...
Now, what needed to happen was that new leaders needed to emerge to assist the likes of James Nallen and David Heaney who have given great service to Mayo football.
A manager's job is to create an atmosphere where leaders can emerge. You talk to players, give them licence to take that leadership role, get guys to fill the leadership vacuum. It gives me great satisfaction as a manager to see players developing as leaders within a group. It's one of the most satisfying things you'll see as a manager.
MF Aidan O'Shea has exploded onto the inter-county scene. How would you compare bringing him through with the likes of Michael Meehan?
JOM I brought through Michael Meehan as well and they're very similar situations in a lot of ways.
I have no problem playing a guy who's 18 years of age on a Mayo senior team but I think we shouldn't burden him with too much expectation. The media has a huge role to play in that regard.
I would always think of the example of Ryan Giggs who, I think, never did an interview for four or five years after breaking into the Manchester United team. Now he's probably the guy that Alex Ferguson would send out to do interviews.
MF What would be a good summer for you?
JOM To beat Roscommon would be a good start. You're anxious about every game but I'd be very confident that the players have prepared themselves in an exceptional way. I would have the utmost admiration for every single member of our panel.
We've got the support and the expertise at every level. We've got the maximum commitment from everybody, from the top to the bottom, nothing is spared in terms of energy or time. I wouldn't be part of any set-up where that wouldn't be the case.
MF What is your message to the Mayo supporters?
JOM I felt a real empathy towards them when we walked around the streets around Gaelic Park after the New York match. I met some people I knew, some I didn't, and I have huge admiration for them. They're the supporters that we owe something to. They're the ones I want the team to remember and consider.
I know sometimes people can feel angry and critical, and I know they feel they're doing it for the right reasons... I don't mind, personally, taking any criticism but I would ask people to try and understand what these players have given Mayo football.
I'll put my hand on the bible and say that I have absolutely no worries about the trust that has been built up among the players in the squad. Mayo people need to know that as we head into another championship.
Good interview - the manager defniitely appears to be more comfortable in the role, and hopefully the work put in over 3 years will now be seen by all of us.
As for the wear and tear of blue seats - look at the Cusack Stand - they haven't held their colour. Stephenite you are spot on a pile of b**lix
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As for the wear and tear of blue seats - look at the Cusack Stand - they haven't held their colour. Stephenite you are spot on a pile of b**lix
I'd doubt if that's a reason - and to be honest I'm not that bothered by the colour of the seats, sure, it would've been nice to see a red and green combination with fancy lettering, but if we couldn't afford it, than fair enough, just say we couldn't afford it.
Cant see why it would have made and difference to the price.
Unless they were getting them off the back of a lorry and they just had to be blue !
Quote from: ludermor on June 16, 2009, 01:07:49 PM
Cant see why it would have made and difference to the price.
Unless they were getting them off the back of a lorry and they just had to be blue !
Fair point
Poignant article from one of the local Mayo papers.
House of Pain
Bu T.J. Kilkelly
A dark cloud gathers over the plain of the yews. Like it does everyday. Dominick Burke has lost the will to get up. To live. But get up from his uncomfortable leaba he must. Because despite the pain and hardships visited upon his people life goes on in Mayo. It always does. And so it must go on for him.
As he drives along the winding coast roads, carefully obeying the "Very Slow" and "Dead Slow" signs painted around each bend, he can't help but feel haunted by the ghosts of the men who took the Emigrant ship to America. How these men must have longed to see their home county again. But never again did they see Bohola or Belmullet. Dominick Burke knows that awful longing for homeland too, working as he does in Galway five days a week. It is the maudlin songs that keep him going, songs about "far away from the land of the shamrock and heather." For he listens to Midwest Radio on the internet on the sly. His boss - a stony faced Connemara man with a wild beard - does not know. He would get "thick" with him if he did.
Dominick Burke has suffered the pain that is Mayo football more than most. Twenty eight years young and still single, the pain is etched on his weather beaten face. It has grown progressively worse since his sister gave him access to the Irish Times archives for a month. The tears streamed down his face as he read about a century of stout hearted men and their vainglorious assaults on the great citadel to the East, only to come home empty handed - but twice. And the Irish Times GAA sucked in 1950 and 1951 and so those victories brought little joy.
If there's any consolation it is that he is not alone. He has befriended other Mayo lads on the internet, on the discussion boards and on the blogs. He read last week that Bruce Springsteen too had the soul of a Mayoman, for in his dark lyrics could be gleaned the tortured consciousness of his race, of his fellow county men. Upon reading it, he was compelled to send Bruce an email with just one short phrase: "Bruce, keep the faith." He also sent it to Springsteen's Twitter account, facebook page and by snailmail to: Bruce, Freehold, New Jersey, Born in the USA.
Then there's the ignominy of having to live next to the Rossies. As if God hadn't sent them enough punishment. And all the DJs on Midwest Radio are Rossies too. Oh it's a cruel God, a cruel one who has no love for the Green and Red.
But there's hope. Not much. But there's always hope. A Mayoman could be the next Taoiseach. He'll create employment in the county. A few hundred thousand jobs for Mayo would be nice. Perhaps build another airport or two in the county and fly all the emigrants back home to the land of the shamrock and heather. It's a dark province Connacht, a tough slog to emerge from the West with four other counties to beat, and then take on the rest of Ireland. But a strong leader is all that's required to rouse the faithful.
There's an email in Dominick Burke's inbox. Begob, who could it be he wonders. His face lights up. It is from Bruce.
Oh there is a God, there is.
But that dark cloud arises as he reads: "Delivery Failure".
"Just like Sam," cries Dominick Bruke, "just like fuckin Sam." As the tears well up in his eyes, he can hear yelling in the background. His boss. "Turn off that fuckin Midwest and do some work."
Oh yes, a dark cloud has gathered over the West Coast of Mayo, casting dark shadows from Kilalla to Kilmovee, bringing more pain to the plains of the yews. Dominick Burke cannot go on. But he'll go on. And never show the white feather whereever he goes.
someday
QuoteThe tears streamed down his face as he read about a century of stout hearted men and their vainglorious assaults on the great citadel to the East, only to come home empty handed - but twice. And the Irish Times GAA sucked in 1950 and 1951 and so those victories brought little joy.
3 times actually - don't forget 1936. Maybe the Irish Times had a ban on GAA reporting back then... ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2009, 03:39:44 PM
QuoteThe tears streamed down his face as he read about a century of stout hearted men and their vainglorious assaults on the great citadel to the East, only to come home empty handed - but twice. And the Irish Times GAA sucked in 1950 and 1951 and so those victories brought little joy.
3 times actually - don't forget 1936. Maybe the Irish Times had a ban on GAA reporting back then... ;)
Actually it could have been 4 times, in 1925 Mayo won the All-Ireland semi-final against Wexford while the other semi-finalists Kerry and Cavan were disqualified. Cup to Mayo then, not quite. Galway demanded to complete their Championship which had stalled due to a row between Sligo and Roscommon and when they beat Mayo they were crowned All-Ireland Champions.
Lads i wonder could you help me.
Out in here working in dubai and was wondering could i get to watch the game live on the web or where would be the best spot to watch here?
All suggestions welcome.
if unsure you should stay near the computer and listen to mnwr, safest bet.
Quote from: mannix on June 16, 2009, 05:13:46 PM
if unsure you should stay near the computer and listen to mnwr, safest bet.
judging by his name he'd probably prefer shannonside
With Willie and Donie... ::) I think he'll pick MayoNWR :D
Good to see ye Mayo ladeens are so full of confidence . Hopefully ye're players will feel the same.
If any of ye Mayoites feel like crossing the county Boundary into Ballagh on Friday night the Ros Supporters Club are having a function there.
Good on them for claiming our town and for giving support and succour to our separated brethern who have to live with being banned from playing for their own County.
Ye HAVEN'T BATE US in Castlebar in my lifetime. Hopefully that won't change and I'll live to be a ripe ould age! :D
I don't think Conor Mort or Tom Parsons will start on Saturday. Here's my stab at the team. Trying to second guess O'Mahony is a road riddled with danger though!
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/are-parsons-and-conor-mort-under-pressure/
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Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Spot on ros but throw in Dermot Geraghty in place of Liam O'Malley and I reckon that's the team.
What have you heard?
Cafferkey will be at the edge of the square and he will have his hands full with Kilbride. Can't see Nallen stating but we'll probably see him at some stage.
Unlikely dermot will feature - not playing for club due to injury so parachuting him back into the county team would be more than a surprise
Lads that was a sarcastic comment by me in response to ros.
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 16, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
Quote from: kevmy on June 16, 2009, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 15, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 15, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2009, 12:11:42 AM
Kenneth O'Malley
Liam O'Malley David heaney ,James nallen
Peadar Gardiner Trevor Howley K higgins
Ronan McGarrity Tom Parsons
andy moran Aidan O'Shea ,Aidan Kilcoyne
CMort Barry MOran, AOM
Spot on ros but throw in Dermot Geraghty in place of Liam O'Malley and I reckon that's the team.
What have you heard?
Cafferkey will be at the edge of the square and he will have his hands full with Kilbride. Can't see Nallen stating but we'll probably see him at some stage.
Unlikely dermot will feature - not playing for club due to injury so parachuting him back into the county team would be more than a surprise
Lads that was a sarcastic comment by me in response to ros.
I m amazed some took you up on the level. On a more serious note I m having trouble digesting Flames post after coming home from a damn good jazz session.
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Quote from: prewtna on June 16, 2009, 07:28:09 AM
does anyone know if the match is on tv in sydney? if its live itll be a hoor of a time to have to watch it. but what can ya do!
Yeah it's live on Setanta sports Oz. 2AM throw in. I'm sure it'll be on in cheers, Paddy McGuires and Scruffy's.
great stuff. just checked cheers website, tis on there alright not sure about paddy maguires or scruffys but i wouldnt watch it in scruffys anyway, bit of a kip!
Quote from: prewtna on June 17, 2009, 04:10:00 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 16, 2009, 07:52:42 AM
Quote from: prewtna on June 16, 2009, 07:28:09 AM
does anyone know if the match is on tv in sydney? if its live itll be a hoor of a time to have to watch it. but what can ya do!
Yeah it's live on Setanta sports Oz. 2AM throw in. I'm sure it'll be on in cheers, Paddy McGuires and Scruffy's.
great stuff. just checked cheers website, tis on there alright not sure about paddy maguires or scruffys but i wouldnt watch it in scruffys anyway, bit of a kip!
Complete kip - it's been a while since I've headed into the city to watch a game but if the match clashes with another sporting occasion like a Lions match the GAA will be relegated to one of the smaller screens in Cheers. Paddy's would be the best bet I'd say, but like I said, it's been a while since I've ventured out as I prefer the comfort of my own couch!
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does anyone know if the match is on tv in sydney? if its live itll be a hoor of a time to have to watch it. but what can ya do!
Yeah it's live on Setanta sports Oz. 2AM throw in. I'm sure it'll be on in cheers, Paddy McGuires and Scruffy's.
great stuff. just checked cheers website, tis on there alright not sure about paddy maguires or scruffys but i wouldnt watch it in scruffys anyway, bit of a kip!
Complete kip - it's been a while since I've headed into the city to watch a game but if the match clashes with another sporting occasion like a Lions match the GAA will be relegated to one of the smaller screens in Cheers. Paddy's would be the best bet I'd say, but like I said, it's been a while since I've ventured out as I prefer the comfort of my own couch!
agreed paddys is probably the best bet, i must call in to them today and see what the story is.
your lucky enough to have setanta sports then. im just back here for a couple of weeks so im between addresses! had setanta when i was here before and it works out a mile cheaper to get setanta then having to go watch anything in the pub. 2am is a fairly decent hour compared to 4am or stupid o'clock in the morning so this time round its not too bad. so all in all im looking forward to it. itll be my first time seeing this version of the mayo team play this year, had to use my imagination when 'watching' them play on MWR against new york.
What time is throw in on saturday? Will they be selling tickets at Mchale park?
My team for sat:
K O Malley
T Howley
G Cafferkey
K Mcloughlin
P Gardiner
D Heaney
A Moran
T Parsons
R McGarrity
T Mort
P Harte
A Dillon
C Mort
A O'Shea
B Moran
Quote from: The flame still burns on June 16, 2009, 11:15:39 PM
I don't think Conor Mort or Tom Parsons will start on Saturday. Here's my stab at the team. Trying to second guess O'Mahony is a road riddled with danger though!
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/are-parsons-and-conor-mort-under-pressure/
If Parsons and Mortimer aren't going to start on Saturday they must be playing some awful stuff altogether in training, they have easily been two of our best players of the last couple of years. You are obviously more informed however. I think it would be a serious risk to start Kilcoyne over Mort as Mort is a reliable free taker from the right and Kilcoyne has proven that he is one of those players more effective when coming off the bench. Heaney ahead of Parsons, well only if Parsons is playing really bad but hope Parsons starts because I think he's a top player.
Quote from: GBXII on June 17, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
If Parsons and Mortimer aren't going to start on Saturday they must be playing some awful stuff altogether in training, they have easily been two of our best players of the last couple of years. You are obviously more informed however. I think it would be a serious risk to start Kilcoyne over Mort as Mort is a reliable free taker from the right and Kilcoyne has proven that he is one of those players more effective when coming off the bench. Heaney ahead of Parsons, well only if Parsons is playing really bad but hope Parsons starts because I think he's a top player.
There's a story in the Indo this morning that Parsons has a groin strain, so that's why he's doubtful. Conor hurt his hand talking a few weeks ago but I would have thought he'd be patched up by now?
A man could go nuts trying to figure it all out. We might be as well to wait for the team announcement tonight. If it bloody is tonight, of course. ???
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If Parsons and Mortimer aren't going to start on Saturday they must be playing some awful stuff altogether in training, they have easily been two of our best players of the last couple of years. You are obviously more informed however. I think it would be a serious risk to start Kilcoyne over Mort as Mort is a reliable free taker from the right and Kilcoyne has proven that he is one of those players more effective when coming off the bench. Heaney ahead of Parsons, well only if Parsons is playing really bad but hope Parsons starts because I think he's a top player.
There's a story in the Indo this morning that Parsons has a groin strain, so that's why he's doubtful. Conor hurt his hand talking a few weeks ago but I would have thought he'd be patched up by now?
A man could go nuts trying to figure it all out. We might be as well to wait for the team announcement tonight. If it bloody is tonight, of course. ???
Well Mort's hand is ok now I'd say he played a bit of the club championship a few weeks ago and played the full game in the league against Ballina as well as half in one of those challenge games (I think?). So he should be fit enough.
Agreed that it would be a big risk to Kilcoyne over Mort from the start. Also people are saying Parsons didn't have a good league - they must have being watching a different league to me. He spent a good bit of time on the bench due to U21 games yet every time he came on he improved the midfield usually with Harte going to half forward and him coming in around the middle.
Lads, anyone know what the story is with the season tickets - i.e.: scan into the ground for a seat in the new stand or get bog standard tickets in the post or indeed some other scenario ....... they may already have been posted but have been away for last week and not back til Friday so good to know now if i should go looking for a stand ticket now if only enetitled to a bog standard one........
season ticket just gets you into the ground not the new stand
You bring the season ticket and it will be scanned on the way in.
It says it gets you into the stand but I don't know if the stand is finished or if anyone is allowed in there at all.
Do you have to go to the stand with a season ticket? I much prefer being across from the stand at matchdays. Haven't been in the stand since I got a dose of tonsilitis when we were playing Sligo a good few years ago now. Got the tonsils out since as well! ;D
Nearly half the Mayo team are out with groin strains, favorite Mayo pass time is coming home to haunt teams preparations. ;D.
Connaught Senior Football Championship
Foireann Sinsir Mhaigh Eó in aghaidh Ros Comáin
í Pairc MacÉil, Caisléan an Bharraigh
On Sat 20 Jun 2009
1 Kenneth O'Malley Ballinrobe
2 Liam O'Malley Burrishoole
3 Ger Cafferkey Ballina
4 Keith Higgins Ballyhaunis
5 Peadar Gardiner Crossmolina
6 Trevor Howley Knockmore
7 Andy Moran Ballaghaderreen
8 David Heaney Swinford
9 Ronan McGarrity Ballina
10 Patrick Harte Ballina
11 Trevor Mortimer Shrule-Glencorrib
12 Alan Dillon Ballintubber
13 Aidan Kilcoyne Knockmore
14 Barry Moran Castlebar
15 Aidan O'Shea Breaffy
I am worried now
No Conor? What's going on there? No big fan of him but surely he'd be one of Mayo's best forwards?
Quote from: REDCOL on June 17, 2009, 09:21:51 PM
I am worried now
Me too, Heaney at midfield. Honest to God, didn't expect that one. Don't think anyone did. It's a wonder Nallen wasn't parachuted in as well. No place for McLoughlin or Conor, Kilcoyne at no 13 ??? And I thought Andy Moran experiment at wing back was over.
Are you O'Mahony Flame still burns?? ;)
It's certainly not the Mayo team we were quite expecting. Most of the changes make sense from what we've heard during the week but Kilcoyne in for Conor is not one many people saw coming. Please God it'll go well for him.
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I am worried now
Me too, Heaney at midfield. Honest to God, didn't expect that one. Don't think anyone did. It's a wonder Nallen wasn't parachuted in as well. No place for McLoughlin or Conor, Kilcoyne at no 13 ??? And I thought Andy Moran experiment at wing back was over.
Are you O'Mahony Flame still burns?? ;)
Ha ha looks that way doesn't it!! Can't believe I got as many right as I did. Just had heard a few things to be honest. Analysis of the selection on my blog here http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/14-out-of-15-aint-bad/
Interesting team that. I had heard Parsons was under pressure but still thought he'd make it. Its shit or get off the pot time for Killer. Barry Moran hasn't been moving brilliantly either. Hopefully we'll be reflecting on Johnno's genius on Saturday night.
Fair play to The Flame, he fairly nailed that team. In the light of(no pun intended) his tip offs there are no real surprises. A shock would have been Mikey Sweeney or Barry Kelly starting. Not sure what to make of it and I would nt rule out changes before throw in. I mean there must be still a doubt about O Malley in the corner. Careless that Aiden Higgins not around to cover here. Again we go into the championship with 6 defenders who are all more comfortable in halfback line. Maybe all counties have this?
Harte may well start midfield( or swap later) with Heaney going back and Andy playing a mixem gatherem role about the field and Killer playin wing with towers inside. There s loads of possibilities.
If Parsons demise is down to lack of form it s very disappointing, worrying even. How does that happen? Maybe Sligonian has been practicing some strange voodoo from afar.
Backs people will be amazed how Killer can make the team and KMcL cant. Most would have the latter even as a forward. But good luck to Kilcoyne the next day.
Delighted Heaney is in from the start. He s been class for 12 years and its reassuring that his form is still good enough that he still demands selection.
Have to agree with you Moy on Aidan Higgins. Simply wrong that he's not involved. As for Parsons I had heard somewhere, Mayo News maybe?, that he had a groin injury. I wonder is this related to it? Kilcoyne is the big call. Really looking forward to the game now, it always feels just around the corner once the team has been picked.
A lot of questions about that team for me.
Only one proven scorer at this level - Dillon.
Two good wing backs but I wouldn't consider either as good at defending - would play McL (or A Higgins) there before either of them.
Who's going to do the work in midfield with McG and Heaney playing together.
Really looking forward to seeing AO'S making his senior championship debut.
Should be good enough to win at home to a Rossie team on the up but still finished mid-table in Div 3.
Mayo by 3/4
Anybody know how P Hanley is getting on in Oz?
How's A Campbell getting on with Swinford this year? Good enough to be making the county squad/team?
Quote from: MacDanger on June 18, 2009, 12:13:53 AM
A lot of questions about that team for me.
Only one proven scorer at this level - Dillon.
Two good wing backs but I wouldn't consider either as good at defending - would play McL (or A Higgins) there before either of them.
Who's going to do the work in midfield with McG and Heaney playing together.
Really looking forward to seeing AO'S making his senior championship debut.
Should be good enough to win at home to a Rossie team on the up but still finished mid-table in Div 3.
Mayo by 3/4
Anybody know how P Hanley is getting on in Oz?
How's A Campbell getting on with Swinford this year? Good enough to be making the county squad/team?
Not sure about the proven scorer thing. Who in the squad is a 'proven scorer' that s not picked?
As regards the Heaney and McGar midfield selection? I ll beg the question. What midfield selection would have balanced out with workrate? Of the choice between Parsons and McGar, the latter has clearly more appreciation of covering back. Parsons is a great attacking player. Anyway its been a bit obvious for years that Parsons should have been developed as an 11. Cant believe some people still cant see that. We needed that and he needed that. If Hanley was around people would expect him to be playing 11. But Parsons has more to be an 11.
Not saying we have any proven scorers on the bench either but Dillon is the only one of the 6 that would fall into that category. Hopefuly we'll be classifying AO'S in that bracket too by the end of the season.
Don't agree re Parsons, his fielding of the ball is biggest asset I reckon. Wouldn't see him as an natural CHF. Have you ever seen him play at CHF?
Quote from: MacDanger on June 18, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
Not saying we have any proven scorers on the bench either but Dillon is the only one of the 6 that would fall into that category. Hopefuly we'll be classifying AO'S in that bracket too by the end of the season.
Don't agree re Parsons, his fielding of the ball is biggest asset I reckon. Wouldn't see him as an natural CHF. Have you ever seen him play at CHF?
People have to forget about this fielding lark. Parsons fielding abilty is not the most important part of his game. His ability to move, see and link and finish much more importand than catching a bloody kickout. He s one of the best athletes to come along in some time. Plus he can play - but most people just see Paul O Connell. He s not suited to that S**t and I m not surprised his form has slumped. I remember him fracturing his leg as a minor in salthill in a kickout ruck. He was the only one to try and catch the ball. To hell with that. Time to move on. A feature of Charlestown is how Tiernan can hold and graft while Parsons instigates the attacks.
Look Tyrone would not have won last years AI if Mickey Harte did nt have that cop to realise that Sean Kavanagh was nt born with 9 tattooed on his arse. And in 04 he delegated McAnallen to cover full back. I m not just saying it now. Parsons should have been developed as 11 earlier. Time we realised that there s more to the game than catching kickouts.
Anybody notice the carnage Pierce O Neill caused last few weeks v Kerry. Parsons has more to his game.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2009, 11:19:13 PM
Fair play to The Flame, he fairly nailed that team. In the light of(no pun intended) his tip offs there are no real surprises. A shock would have been Mikey Sweeney or Barry Kelly starting. Not sure what to make of it and I would nt rule out changes before throw in. I mean there must be still a doubt about O Malley in the corner. Careless that Aiden Higgins not around to cover here. Again we go into the championship with 6 defenders who are all more comfortable in halfback line. Maybe all counties have this?
Harte may well start midfield( or swap later) with Heaney going back and Andy playing a mixem gatherem role about the field and Killer playin wing with towers inside. There s loads of possibilities.
If Parsons demise is down to lack of form it s very disappointing, worrying even. How does that happen? Maybe Sligonian has been practicing some strange voodoo from afar.
Backs people will be amazed how Killer can make the team and KMcL cant. Most would have the latter even as a forward. But good luck to Kilcoyne the next day.
Delighted Heaney is in from the start. He s been class for 12 years and its reassuring that his form is still good enough that he still demands selection.
Its called Karma, nothing to do with me. Im over it believe or not.
On another note this might be bogey team, in the sense dont be suprised to hear there are 2 changes to the mayo team before the throw in. Just putting it out there.
I predict CMort to be on after 20 mins, I can only assume his hand has not heeled 100%?
I reckon what's going to be a key is, Andy Moran from half back letting in lots of high ball in on top of the twin towers early to test the Roscommon full back line. Can't see many other accurate foot passers from out the field to provide that roll. Hopefully we won't resort to a sh*tty short hand passing game that ultimately leads to poor shot selection and wides, which we have been guilty of in the past.
QuoteCan't see many other accurate foot passers from out the field to provide that roll.
That is the serious issue. Although I reckon that JOM is looking at quite a bit of interchangeability between various players and that although the fifteen players will line out the actual lay-out of the team will be significantly different with Heaney dropping behind the half-back line in a sweeper-type role, but being around the middle for kick-outs. Harte will accompany McGarrity as a centre-field man and Killer will drop back to the half-forward line and with Dillon, and Andy Moran will be charged with feeding the two big lads.
I'm happy enough with the team and delighted to see Aidan Kilcoyne get his chance - but he must take it.
i agree mort must be still not right, he is our best scoring forward for a while now. good luck to kilcoyne and the rest of the team.
it will be interesting to see if the twin towers do business.
good luck to all involved.
mayo 2 12
roscommon 1 10
that team doesnt worry me. ive great faith in heaney . id have him full back but if parsons is out so be it. though i feel for s o se who must be getting fustrated with his lack of oppurtunity. well miss connors frees against those cheating bastards so kilcoyne will have huge pressure on him. but he has oodles of talent.
having said all that omahony , as befits a blue shirter, cannot be trusted on the team selection. remember the 17 men he lined out in the parade for galway!. dont facy paying a fiver for
this programme
Quote from: mannix on June 18, 2009, 08:41:32 AM
i agree mort must be still not right, he is our best scoring forward for a while now. good luck to kilcoyne and the rest of the team.
it will be interesting to see if the twin towers do business.
good luck to all involved.
mayo 2 12
roscommon 1 10
Kilcoyne must take his chance is right, he has been a bit inconsistent over the last while and it's hard to know where his true ability lies, hopefully Saturday will be his night. Also where will Heaney end up playing, his experience will be critical around the younger players as the Rossies will hit hard from the start. it was reassuring to read what John o had to say about the squad and their attitude and commitment to the cause. Looking forward to the year ahead, hopefully a lot of questions will be answered by late Sat. evening. Mayo by 5.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 18, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
that team doesnt worry me. ive great faith in heaney . id have him full back but if parsons is out so be it. though i feel for s o se who must be getting fustrated with his lack of oppurtunity. well miss connors frees against those cheating b**tards so kilcoyne will have huge pressure on him. but he has oodles of talent.
having said all that omahony , as befits a blue shirter, cannot be trusted on the team selection. remember the 17 men he lined out in the parade for galway!. dont facy paying a fiver for
this programme
Exactly as I said earlier, cant belive everyone cant see its a bogey team. And your reference to cheating bastards, harsh and unfounded, dont you mean cynical, I seen stated on another thread about Tomas Mannion farmer strength, which is exactly how describe him, but on rossies I would say the same, and thats why theyve been so successful and as they develop a contrasting physicality compared to other counties in Connacht, they would never have the footballing ability of galway or mayo or even us ;), but they have huge advantage in physicality from minor up which makes up for it IMO.
Well, it's almost time to begin the campaign once more and, for me, the waiting time is pure hell. It always has been. Maybe by late September, a weight will finally be lifted from my shoulders.
The first game is always the worst. (Forget about New York—I hope all the party had a ball over there but its game on time now as handballers would say.)
Good luck t all concerned and I know none of them will be found wanting for effort.
That includes my dear friend at the helm.
(If he ever finds out who has been abusing him here, there could be trouble ahead, for me at any rate!) :D
I feel that the team has more of a shape that was the case in the last two years.
Out to number 7, I think we have the best available to us. Midfield surprises me; neither one selected could be described as a grafter. Both can play handball all day but hand passing the ball out of defence is not the only ability a good midfielder needs.
Can anyone here recall David Heaney fielding a high ball?
He could never be slated for lack of effort but he has always been too loose for my liking and moves up front at every opportunity.
I'd have thought one of the big pair would be better placed here and would give us options for contesting kick outs from either side.
I can't see the logic of having Moran and O'Shea playing together in the full forward line. But logic has never been my forte where Mayo football is concerned.
As always, team selection is the manager's call and he is the one who gets praised or damned at the end.
I sure hope it's the former.
Interesting team.
No real arguments in backs. Cafferkey, O'Malley, Gardiner and Howley had spots nailed down. The only real question was which 2 from 5 of Higgins, McL, Vaughan, Andy and Heaney would get the remaining spots. Great to see Keith Higgins back playing football for the Green and Red again even if it is in the corner.
Midfield I would prefer fully-fit in-form combination of McGarrity and Parsons but if thats not the case I'd prefer Heaney at midfield instead of Harte who does his best work for us in the half forward line. Say what you want about Parsons at CHF or S O'Sé at midfield but neither have been proved in those positions at anywhere near this level unfortunately. Until that changes are two best midfielders are McG and Parsons followed by Heaney and Harte.
Half forward line as expected.
Interesting that he's gone with the Twin Towers option. O'Sé is too talented not to start and Barry Moran hasn't really done much wrong playing at FF for us so it's no real surprise but with Kilcoyne starting (who is talented but inconsistent I think it's fair to say - everyone would love for him to come on and show his full potential for us but as of yet it hasn't happened) and Conor and Austie not we have no free taker from the right hand side.
If any other county dropped their top scorer for the last 5? 6? yrs there would be uproar - out of form or not. I can't see this Mayo team getting as far as it can without C Mort playing. He's been consistently good for 5/6 points a game for the last few yrs. People will argue half of them were from frees but he wins most of the frees himself and after all frees are there to be scored. He's rarely let us down from a free in a kickable position under pressure (Connacht final in 06 an example). I know he's been injured recently and a bit out of form but is he really worse than Kilcoyne or Austie? I reckon we'll see him yet and he will have to show good form if we're aiming anywhere beyond a decent showing in a quarter final
Flame definitely has insider info. :P Very interesting team, I was just thinking there that we should be fine as regards a right sided free taker in the form of A O'Shea even though leaving out Mort is still a bit of a risk. Also that full forward line must be the tallest that Mayo have had in years, each one is well over 6ft. Parsons has to be injured (I think he's one of the most talented mid fielders in the country) but Heaney will do fine I'd say. Finally we have two lads starting that can kick a 45' in Kilcoyne and O'Shea and A Moran ain't that bad either. We should have too much for them even without Mort and Parsons and there are some good options on the bench too. Here's hoping the FF line clicks :)
QuoteAnd your reference to cheating b**tards, harsh and unfounded
just trying to draw them from their lair but they must be too busy shagging their neighbors sheep
Quote from: rosnarun on June 18, 2009, 01:42:19 PM
QuoteAnd your reference to cheating b**tards, harsh and unfounded
just trying to draw them from their lair but they must be too busy shagging their neighbors sheep
If your such a brave man then why dont you go on Stolensheep and say it ;). Micky 51 and counting could do with some company. Theyve started a Sligo V mayo Connacht final thread aswell, you have to love the rossies.
This is the best Mayo team/squad in years & with one of the top 5 managers in the country we should win on Sat by 5 to 8 points.
Conor Counihan's remarks after they thrashed Kerry the last day were interesting where he mentioned the squad ethic and 30 lads fighting for thier place on the team.
For the first time in decades we are now in the same exciting situation where no player can be singled out and expected to be a 'shoe-in' on the team sheet and that is exactly the formula our players need.
I would firmly believe that we will put on a display of great football on Saturday with all our subs getting 15 to 20mins.
Everyone should be confident of getting to an AI semi final at a minimum. Our record in AI semi's is excellent, all we need is Kerry to get bate up north somewhere in the qualifiers.
Most bookies have us at 25/1 for SAM this year. Value bet IMO.
Nobody has mentioned the price of admission is very steep this time.... Terrace tickets are €30 and stand €35 if im not mistaken.
A bit crazy in these times. I know a lot that are put off by it.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 18, 2009, 02:44:45 PM
Nobody has mentioned the price of admission is very steep this time.... Terrace tickets are €30 and stand €35 if im not mistaken.
A bit crazy in these times. I know a lot that are put off by it.
€30 AND €20 now is it not? there a massive discount for you already
Its €25 for the concrete seating.
Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 03:24:24 PM
Its €25 for the concrete seating.
sorry cant keep up with all the inflation defaltion.
the season ticket will work too so between the 1st two championship games it will nearly pay for itself regardless of the league.
With the cost of tickets and a Saturday evening throw-in can't see much more than 10k at this
Quote from: Barney on June 18, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
With the cost of tickets and a Saturday evening throw-in can't see much more than 10k at this
Was getting to that point. I reckon that tickets will be available at the gate too.
With the Stand being dearer they wont even fill it. :(
ah there'll be more than thousand now, weather is SUPPOSED to be good so it should drag a good few people out. I know there's gonna be alot from ros' anyway... :o :o :o :o
That's when having good neighbours helps! :D Anyway, as Moysider said, I am for one surprised that Kevin Mc isn't starting. Now the team has been announced, I hope the players do the job on the day. I personally, despite being critical of Kilcoyne in the past hope he does well on Sunday and hopefully he won't be brought off too early.
I think mcloughlin will start. I'm looking forward to seehow moran and o shea get on in the full forward line.
Rossies
The Roscommon team shows one change from the side that defeated Leitrim in the first round of the Connacht SFC.
David Keenan who received a shoulder injury in that game is replaced by David Casey. Casey missed the latter stages of the NFL because of a knee injury but has recovered fully from that complaint and is fit to take his place.
Paul Gleeson who replaced Keenan in the Leitrim game drops to the bench as a result of Casey's selection
Senan Kilbride who suffered a foot injury in the Leitrim game has recovered and takes his place at full forward.
Paul Freeman a member of the Eire Ōg club comes into the subs as a result of his performances with the Roscommon junior side that retained their Connacht junior crown when they defeated Mayo recently.
Roscommon have defeated Mayo once in the Championship in this decade. They defeated Mayo in the Connacht final of 2001 on a scoreline of 2-10 to1-12.
In the two meetings since then Mayo have defeated Rosccommon comfortably. In 2004 Mayo were victorious on a scoreline of 2-13 to 0-9 while in 2005 Mayo were winners on a scoreline of 1-16 to 0- 11 for Roscommon.
Roscommon have not won in Castlebar since 1986 in the Connacht SFC, losing on four occasions [1992, 1995, 1999, 2004] and drawing twice [1989 and 1991] since then.
1. Geoffrey Claffey Geoffraí Mac Liathimh Caisléan Riabhach
2. Peter Domican Peadar Ó Domgháin Naomh Bríd
3. John Nolan Seán Ó Nualláin Gaeil Ros Comáin
4. Paul Kelly Pól Ó Ceallaigh Na Piarsaigh
5. Sean McDermott Seán Mac Diarmada Gaeil an Iarthair
6. David Flynn Dáithí Ó Floinn Clann na nGael
7. David Casey Dáithí Ó Cathasaigh Mainistir na Buile
8. Michael Finneran Mícheál Ó Finnthírn Naomh Dominic
9. Brian Higgins Brian Ó hUiginn Ail Finn
10. Gary Cox (C) Gearoid Mac an Choiligh Naomh Faithleach
11. Karol Mannion Karol Ó Mainnín Naomh Bríd
12. Donal Shine Donal Ó Seighin Clann na nGael
13. Conor Devaney Conchúir Ó Dubhánaigh Cill Bhríde
14. Senan Kilbride Seanán Mac Giolla Bhríde Naomh Bríd
15. John Dunning Seán Ó Dúinín Clann na nGael
SUBS
Ronan O'Reilly Rónán Ó Raghallaigh Clann na nGael
Padraig Duignan Pádraig Ó Duígeannáin Caisléan Riabhach
Cathal McHugh Cathal MacAodha Naomh Bríd
Fintan Cregg Fiontán de Creag Ail Finn
Paul Gleeson Pól Ó Gliasáin Gaeil Ros Comáin
Kevin Higgins Caoimhín Ó hUiginn Gaeil an Iarthair
Sean Purcell Seán Ó Puirséil Mainistir na Buile
James McKeague Séamas MacThaidhg Na Cregga
David O'Gara Dáithí Ó Gadhra Gaeil Ros Comáin
Derek Connellan Deiric Ó Connalláin Cill Mór
Damien Keenehan Damien Ó Cíonnacháin Mainistir na Buile
Colm Garvey Colm Ó Gairbhith Cill Mór
Robert Gaynor Roibeard Mag Fhionnbhairr Gaeil Ros Comáin
Ronan Brady Rónán Ó Brádaigh Ail Finn
Paul Freeman Pól Mac an tSaoir Éire Óg
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Quote from: Barney on June 18, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
With the cost of tickets and a Saturday evening throw-in can't see much more than 10k at this
Was getting to that point. I reckon that tickets will be available at the gate too.
With the Stand being dearer they wont even fill it. :(
got an Email to say Tickets will be available on the gate or some where near it.
No surprises there in the Roscommon team. Casey comes in after as expected for the injured Keenan.
Cant wait for Saturday now.
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
we got one boys round up the posse . your sheep are no longer safe. your daughters should be fine though
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
:D :D :D good stuff rossfan ya put william wallace to shame there with that inspiring call to arms
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
I think Lone Shark wrote something like that on the Offaly site last year, we beat them by 6 in their own backyard ;D
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 18, 2009, 10:07:44 PM
I think Lone Shark wrote something like that on the Offaly site last year, we beat them by 6 in their own backyard ;D
We could well go the same way :-\
Still once we're up for it and we'll stay to the end no matter what.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Didn't realise you were that old Rossfan? It might explain the delusion at least.
Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2009, 02:08:48 AM
Quote from: MacDanger on June 18, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
Not saying we have any proven scorers on the bench either but Dillon is the only one of the 6 that would fall into that category. Hopefuly we'll be classifying AO'S in that bracket too by the end of the season.
Don't agree re Parsons, his fielding of the ball is biggest asset I reckon. Wouldn't see him as an natural CHF. Have you ever seen him play at CHF?
Look Tyrone would not have won last years AI if Mickey Harte did nt have that cop to realise that Sean Kavanagh was nt born with 9 tattooed on his arse. And in 04 he delegated McAnallen to cover full back. I m not just saying it now. Parsons should have been developed as 11 earlier. Time we realised that there s more to the game than catching kickouts.
Anybody notice the carnage Pierce O Neill caused last few weeks v Kerry. Parsons has more to his game.
Tyrone would not have won last years AI if Tom Parsons had't missed a sitter from 30 yards into the Hill 16 end also!!! Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I agree though with you to a certain extent about Parsons' high fielding, he has a tendancy to keep trying to catch it even when the opposition are punching it.
I'd like to see one/two free takers only on Sunday, I think 6 different lads (Mort/Dillon/A O'S/Andy M/Austie/Harte) had a go against Tyrone in the league with varying success. We haven't had a reliable free taker since Sheridan, we (most teams indeed) probably miss 2-4 kickable frees/game - this should have been addressed.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Seriously, how on Earth did God give us neighbours like these???
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
What an awe inspiring list of supeRosmen ( 1 or 2 maybe not :-\ ) who go to the dark land to try and slay the evil rhubarb monster.
In the name of the dead generations of Rosmen who fought and died that we might be free of evil monsters Ros summons her gossoons to her righteous cause.
Remember the great heritage ye have inherited.
Let's do it for Queen Maeve,Niall of the 9 hostages, Saints Eithne and Fidelma, St Coman,St Croan,St Faithleach,St Michael,St Ronan,Ned Duffy, The O'Connor kings of Ireland, Douglas Hyde,Percy French,the 42 who died for Ireland and Freedom and of course Uachtarán na hEireann herself.
Remember 43 and 44 and famous days in Castlebar like 52 , 72,79 and 86.
Remember O'Malley,Lindsay,Earley,Tony Mc,Jigger and most of all Harry Keegan. When ye see a Mayoman coming through with the ball ask yourself " What would Harry Keegan do?"
He'd drive man and ball half way to bloody Belmullet so do the same and ye can win the day.
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Seriously, how on Earth did God give us neighbours like these???
Seriously how on Earth did God give us neighbours like these???To the tune of Show Me The Way to Amarillo
Sha lala lala lala la (Ma-yo!)
Sha lala lala lala la (Ma-yo!)
Sha lala lala lala la......
On a warm May morning,
Mayo heard that London were calling,
Seamus Moore was singing,
Mayo's year was only beginning.
Then we beat poor Leitrim (la la la la laaa)
We weren't very good (la la la la laaa)
But when we played the Tribesmen,
We played like champions should!
> > > >
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
In the quarter-finals,
Mick O'Dwyer's Laois were our rivals,
15-all the first day,
But we won by 3 in the replay,
We were in the semis (la la la la laaa)
Agin' the team in Blue (la la la la laaa)
The meeja had a field day,
Sayin' we were gonna lose!
> > > >
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
Cos victory awaits for me.
> > > >
From Kiltimagh to Charlestown,
They came to Croker to see the Big Showdown,
Mickey had a mission,
Thank god it didn't involve a dietician.
In the greatest contest (la la la la laaa),
Croke Park's ever seen (la la la la laaa),
The Dubs were overpowered,
By the men in Red and Green!
> > > >
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we do we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
We have Jimmy Nallen,
Chip off the old block Billy-Joe Padden,
And of course McDanger,
Was he the one that was born in the manger?
Heaney leads the back line (la la la la laaaa)
> > > > Kerry won't break through (la la la la laaaa)
> > > > And David Clarke will stop them,
> > > > Even if they doooo-oooo!
> > > >
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we do we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
Sha lala lala lala la (Ma-yo!)
Sha lala lala lala la (Ma-yo!)
Sha lalal lala lala la,
And victory that waits for me.
All Ireland day is dawning,
Make sure to pray that Sunday morning,
For our team of heroes,
That flushed the jacks and made them zeroes.
All across the county (la la la la laaa),
A sea of red and green (la la la la laaa),
This mayo team is magic,
The best we've ever see-eeen!
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light a bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 18, 2009, 09:03:12 PM
1. Geoffrey Claffey Geoffraí Mac Liathimh Caisléan Riabhach
2. Peter Domican Peadar Ó Domgháin Naomh Bríd
3. John Nolan Seán Ó Nualláin Gaeil Ros Comáin
4. Paul Kelly Pól Ó Ceallaigh Na Piarsaigh
5. Sean McDermott Seán Mac Diarmada Gaeil an Iarthair
6. David Flynn Dáithí Ó Floinn Clann na nGael
7. David Casey Dáithí Ó Cathasaigh Mainistir na Buile
8. Michael Finneran Mícheál Ó Finnthírn Naomh Dominic
9. Brian Higgins Brian Ó hUiginn Ail Finn
10. Gary Cox (C) Gearoid Mac an Choiligh Naomh Faithleach
11. Karol Mannion Karol Ó Mainnín Naomh Bríd
12. Donal Shine Donal Ó Seighin Clann na nGael
13. Conor Devaney Conchúir Ó Dubhánaigh Cill Bhríde
14. Senan Kilbride Seanán Mac Giolla Bhríde Naomh Bríd
15. John Dunning Seán Ó Dúinín Clann na nGael
SUBS
Ronan O'Reilly Rónán Ó Raghallaigh Clann na nGael
Padraig Duignan Pádraig Ó Duígeannáin Caisléan Riabhach
Cathal McHugh Cathal MacAodha Naomh Bríd
Fintan Cregg Fiontán de Creag Ail Finn
Paul Gleeson Pól Ó Gliasáin Gaeil Ros Comáin
Kevin Higgins Caoimhín Ó hUiginn Gaeil an Iarthair
Sean Purcell Seán Ó Puirséil Mainistir na Buile
James McKeague Séamas MacThaidhg Na Cregga
David O'Gara Dáithí Ó Gadhra Gaeil Ros Comáin
Derek Connellan Deiric Ó Connalláin Cill Mór
Damien Keenehan Damien Ó Cíonnacháin Mainistir na Buile
Colm Garvey Colm Ó Gairbhith Cill Mór
Robert Gaynor Roibeard Mag Fhionnbhairr Gaeil Ros Comáin
Ronan Brady Rónán Ó Brádaigh Ail Finn
Paul Freeman Pól Mac an tSaoir Éire Óg
That s not a bad looking Roscommon side. Would be better if Ger Heneghan was still available. Conor Devaney is a livewire but I m not a fan of Shine. Surprised Kevin Higgins not a starter from what I saw him do in Charlestown in U21.
We should have a distinct advantage in the middle. There should be question marks about some of their defenders pace and indeed the overall pace of the team. Mayo have to move the ball early and quickly. Quick frees and line balls everywhere except scorable ones. If that does nt happen I ll be raging. Our enemy the next day is slow play. If we keep the tempo high we should break them down with something to spare in last quarter.
Another Mayo blogger with a slightly different take on the famous old rivalry
http://spailpin.blogspot.com/ (http://spailpin.blogspot.com/)
Prediction Time -
Mayo 2-9 Ros 0-13
A good game, with a strong performance by the Rossies who will go on and reach Round 4 of the Qualifiers.
Mayo 2-10, Roscommon 1-9. Harte to get the first goal of the game.
Ros 1-12 , Mayo 1-10.
A good game, with a strong performance by the Mayoies who will go on and reach the AI final.
An encouraging hard working, hard tackling performance by the Ross
Mayo 2-13 Them 0-11
O'Sé to score 1-2 and wake up Sunday morning the talk of the GAA world.
Us 2-12 Sheepstealers 0-12
Think that full forward line is gona do damage!!
Mayo 3-11 Roscommon 1-10 :)
Heart says we can do it.
Head say not a hope.
Mayo 2-12 Roscommon 1-11
Hope I'm wrong!
I'd say a 5 point win for Mayo, and I can see us getting a goal as well with the twin towers in the FF line
Mayo 1-11 Ros 0-9
Heading west as soon as I can sneak out of here. Love heading home for a big match; and the sun is even shining ;D
Think this one will end level, like Johno's last two games against Ros in Castlebar (89 and 91). Would dearly love to get a victory there as it has been a graveyard for Ros football since 1992 - the 2006 minors nothwithstanding. Was fortunate enough to be there to see Tony Mac's great goal in 86 and Derek Duggan's miraculous free into the wind in 91. Was there in 92 when Enon Gavin pulled down the crossbar. The ball was hopping over the bar as he did so, and Mayo scored another point quickly after they fixed it to go 2 or 3, I think, in front. Turned the game. Thirty years earlier when the Ros goalie brought down the crossbar in Castlebar, Galway were 5 in front and coasting to victory, but the delay allowed the great Gerry O'Malley to inspire Ros to a famous victory. Realistically we should have no chance tomorrow. The team is young and inexperienced, was jittery in Division 3, and I am worried that we have no one in the full back line to combat the height and power of Moran and O'Shea. But when you see that we have players like Kevin Higgins, Fintan Cregg and David O'Gara (all talented minors from 06) on the bench, all who take a point, then we are not without hope. We've gone there in hope before and got hockeyed and drove back over the border at Carracastle with our tails between our legs. But expectations are low this time, no pressure is on the team, the supporters will allow Fergal O'Donnell time to build because he has always been one of the true gents of the game and has already brought a great measure of pride back to our county. I think it will be a fast open game. Ros to get parity with Mayo in midfield and match them on the scoreboard and bring it back to the Hyde. Scoreline something like: Mayo 2-10 Ros 1-13.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 19, 2009, 01:02:51 PM
I'd say a 5 point win for Mayo, and I can see us getting a goal as well with the twin towers in the FF line
Mayo 1-11 Ros 0-9
Heading west as soon as I can sneak out of here. Love heading home for a big match; and the sun is even shining ;D
I think Mayo are 10/11 @ -4 points on Sunday.
Great bet really as id say we should win by more.
I heard they where thinking of calling off the match because of this.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0619/swineflu.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0619/swineflu.html)
Has anybody heard if it is or not?
The facts point to a comfortable win for Mayo.
Its Division 1 V division 3.
Its a young ross team in very early stages of development.
Mayo should have beaten tyrone last year, whilst Ross wouldnt get within 10 points of them.
Leitrim walked through our defence for 2 goals. You have to feel Mayo will target the CHB position of Ross where
we have struggled to replace Grehan in past few years
Better Ross teams have got beaten out the gate in McHale park.
If we keep it competitive for 40-50mins it will be most we can hope for.
Predication
Rhubarbs 2-15 Ross 0-13
i don't know rossie Antrim were a divivison 4 team and looked what happened against donegal. i know a few of the lads made the debuts against New York bit this is really where the championship starts and we shall see how they react to championship football . I think it will be a fairly tight match and would take a one point victory over the sheepstealers .
Disappointed with the team. Dave Heaney has been a great servant of Mayo football but if we're relying on him to play midfield then we're in trouble. He's not exactly going to dominate the area. If Parsons is not good enough to play against an average midfield like Roscommon then we have problems. Also playing Andy Moran wing back is a joke! It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in him as a forward or the defenders on the bench.
I hope that O'Mahoney will find some consistency in his team selections. I'd love to see the teams he has put out in the championship since he has take over. I doubt any of them would be the same selections. I think this is proving to be a major stumbling block in our progress, lads being moved from pillar to post.
Having said all that I will be very disappointed if we don't beat the morons. Roscommon are trying to talk themselves down but there moronic supporters will arrive having made the team favourites in their own county.
Won't be a whole pile in it, Mayo 1-12 Morons 1-9.
For the Roscommon supporters here's a definition of moronic:
"A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education"
John Maughans thoughts on the Match especially for the rossies who worshipped him ;)
An age old rivalry
Speaking of freshness and youth, I am wondering will Mayo's starting 15 possess enough of these vital ingredients when they line out against a Roscommon team that comes to Castlebar with nothing to lose and everything to play for. Eleven of the 14 outfield players starting tomorrow evening played championship football in 2005. Senior management has continuously highlighted the fact that they were rebuilding a new team and that it would take time. I can understand that, but at the same time I thought that a greater number of Mayo's recent underage players would have graduated to senior football in 2009. There are rumours surrounding an injury crisis of sorts, with quite a few of the Mayo players reportedly carrying knocks of one kind or another. Of these, David Clarke is the most serious and his absence is quite significant. I didn't see Roscommon's victory over Leitrim but did watch the highlights of the game later that night. Carrick on Shannon is a difficult venue at which to win championship matches, and in fairness to Roscommon they came away from that encounter with reputations enhanced. Their morale boosting victory will have them all fired up for the Mayo game and, knowing most of them as I do, I can guarantee they won't roll over and accept defeat easily. Their league performances weren't great but the one thing they have over their opponents coming into this game is the fact that there is no pressure on them whatsoever.
They have, I believe, prepared well for this match, with David Casey lining out at full back in recent training sessions being bombarded with high balls in preparation for a similar onslaught tomorrow. They have a number of good footballers throughout the team, but the one in particular that just might cause problems for Mayo is in fact the son of a former Mayo footballer. Senan Kilbride, whose father lined out for both Mayo and Roscommon, lines out in the full forward line and has bundles of ability. He is a right handful when in possession and Ger Cafferkey will need protection when Senan is on the ball. He has a sweet left peg and can score if given half a chance. Conor Devanney is another who is quick and elusive and could do damage if he was fed the right type of ball. However I expect Keith Higgins to pick him up and he will want to be really sharp to trouble Keith. I fully expect that Roscommon will put it up to Mayo, possibly for 40 minutes, but still would be very surprised if Mayo didn't win by five or six points.
Quotebut there moronic supporters will arrive having made the team favourites in their own county.
Next time you are trawling the dictionary for your wit Stonewall you might care to read up on the differences between there and their.. ::)
:D
Come on StoneWall you can be a bit more imaginative than that in fairness
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 19, 2009, 03:14:52 PM
Quotebut there moronic supporters will arrive having made the team favourites in their own county.
Next time you are trawling the dictionary for your wit Stonewall you might care to read up on the differences between there and their.. ::)
That's a nasty one Rossie
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 19, 2009, 03:14:52 PM
Quotebut there moronic supporters will arrive having made the team favourites in their own county.
Next time you are trawling the dictionary for your wit Stonewall you might care to read up on the differences between there and their.. ::)
:D , very good Rossie.
Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they say we are deluded :o
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they say we are deluded :o
don't mind them Rossfan your not deluded, just bitter and angry :D
Quote from: StoneWall on June 19, 2009, 02:58:13 PM
"A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education"
Good man yourself. Go easy on the spoon throwing tomorrow. Some auld Mayo farmer might need them to stir the supeen of tea in the evening.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 19, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they say we are deluded :o
don't mind them Rossfan your not deluded, just bitter and angry :D
Why would I be ...sure we're always batin Kerry in All Ireland Finals .... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 19, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they say we are deluded :o
don't mind them Rossfan your not deluded, just bitter and angry :D
Why would I be ...sure we're always batin Kerry in All Ireland Finals .... ;D ;D ;D
thats the 1st time i ever heard you mention that ;)
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 19, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
John Maughans thoughts on the Match especially for the rossies who worshipped him ;)
An age old rivalry
Speaking of freshness and youth, I am wondering will Mayo's starting 15 possess enough of these vital ingredients when they line out against a Roscommon team that comes to Castlebar with nothing to lose and everything to play for. Eleven of the 14 outfield players starting tomorrow evening played championship football in 2005. Senior management has continuously highlighted the fact that they were rebuilding a new team and that it would take time. I can understand that, but at the same time I thought that a greater number of Mayo's recent underage players would have graduated to senior football in 2009. There are rumours surrounding an injury crisis of sorts, with quite a few of the Mayo players reportedly carrying knocks of one kind or another. Of these, David Clarke is the most serious and his absence is quite significant. I didn't see Roscommon's victory over Leitrim but did watch the highlights of the game later that night. Carrick on Shannon is a difficult venue at which to win championship matches, and in fairness to Roscommon they came away from that encounter with reputations enhanced. Their morale boosting victory will have them all fired up for the Mayo game and, knowing most of them as I do, I can guarantee they won't roll over and accept defeat easily. Their league performances weren't great but the one thing they have over their opponents coming into this game is the fact that there is no pressure on them whatsoever.
They have, I believe, prepared well for this match, with David Casey lining out at full back in recent training sessions being bombarded with high balls in preparation for a similar onslaught tomorrow. They have a number of good footballers throughout the team, but the one in particular that just might cause problems for Mayo is in fact the son of a former Mayo footballer. Senan Kilbride, whose father lined out for both Mayo and Roscommon, lines out in the full forward line and has bundles of ability. He is a right handful when in possession and Ger Cafferkey will need protection when Senan is on the ball. He has a sweet left peg and can score if given half a chance. Conor Devanney is another who is quick and elusive and could do damage if he was fed the right type of ball. However I expect Keith Higgins to pick him up and he will want to be really sharp to trouble Keith. I fully expect that Roscommon will put it up to Mayo, possibly for 40 minutes, but still would be very surprised if Mayo didn't win by five or six points.
I have to say I don't agree with those parts in bold. While the likes of Keith Higgins, Howley, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran played Championship in and around 05 they either didn't play much or occupy the vital spots some of them do now. The spine of this team is very different that the 04-05-06 team. O'Malley/Clarke, Cafferkey, Howley, McG, Heaney/Parsons, Trevor/Harte, Barry Moran/A O'Sé of those named only McGarrity and maybe Clarke were in those positions in that team.
We've also added depth and a lot of the younger players are challenging for first team spots. The bench could well see McLoughlin, Vaughan, Parsons, Ronaldson, Hennelly and Conroy there along with Conoreen, BJP, Austie and Jimmy Nallen. Add in Cunniffe who's out injured and I'd reckon it's a different team with a stronger and bigger spine and we have more depth.
Quote from: kevmy on June 19, 2009, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 19, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
John Maughans thoughts on the Match especially for the rossies who worshipped him ;)
An age old rivalry
Speaking of freshness and youth, I am wondering will Mayo's starting 15 possess enough of these vital ingredients when they line out against a Roscommon team that comes to Castlebar with nothing to lose and everything to play for. Eleven of the 14 outfield players starting tomorrow evening played championship football in 2005. Senior management has continuously highlighted the fact that they were rebuilding a new team and that it would take time. I can understand that, but at the same time I thought that a greater number of Mayo's recent underage players would have graduated to senior football in 2009. There are rumours surrounding an injury crisis of sorts, with quite a few of the Mayo players reportedly carrying knocks of one kind or another. Of these, David Clarke is the most serious and his absence is quite significant. I didn't see Roscommon's victory over Leitrim but did watch the highlights of the game later that night. Carrick on Shannon is a difficult venue at which to win championship matches, and in fairness to Roscommon they came away from that encounter with reputations enhanced. Their morale boosting victory will have them all fired up for the Mayo game and, knowing most of them as I do, I can guarantee they won't roll over and accept defeat easily. Their league performances weren't great but the one thing they have over their opponents coming into this game is the fact that there is no pressure on them whatsoever.
They have, I believe, prepared well for this match, with David Casey lining out at full back in recent training sessions being bombarded with high balls in preparation for a similar onslaught tomorrow. They have a number of good footballers throughout the team, but the one in particular that just might cause problems for Mayo is in fact the son of a former Mayo footballer. Senan Kilbride, whose father lined out for both Mayo and Roscommon, lines out in the full forward line and has bundles of ability. He is a right handful when in possession and Ger Cafferkey will need protection when Senan is on the ball. He has a sweet left peg and can score if given half a chance. Conor Devanney is another who is quick and elusive and could do damage if he was fed the right type of ball. However I expect Keith Higgins to pick him up and he will want to be really sharp to trouble Keith. I fully expect that Roscommon will put it up to Mayo, possibly for 40 minutes, but still would be very surprised if Mayo didn't win by five or six points.
I have to say I don't agree with those parts in bold. While the likes of Keith Higgins, Howley, Kilcoyne and Barry Moran played Championship in and around 05 they either didn't play much or occupy the vital spots some of them do now. The spine of this team is very different that the 04-05-06 team. O'Malley/Clarke, Cafferkey, Howley, McG, Heaney/Parsons, Trevor/Harte, Barry Moran/A O'Sé of those named only McGarrity and maybe Clarke were in those positions in that team.
We've also added depth and a lot of the younger players are challenging for first team spots. The bench could well see McLoughlin, Vaughan, Parsons, Ronaldson, Hennelly and Conroy there along with Conoreen, BJP, Austie and Jimmy Nallen. Add in Cunniffe who's out injured and I'd reckon it's a different team with a stronger and bigger spine and we have more depth.
Completely agree. Maughan hasn't bothered in the slightest to back this argument up or explain himself in any sort of detail. A nothing article to be honest!
By this time tomorrow evening this game will be as good as over. Expect we will be 9/10 pts ahead at H/t and push on to make it 15/16.
Mayo 4-13 Ros 1-6
Nothing to worry about except to avoid injuries
Kevmv think you're 100% spot-on.
This petty squabbling that was started by JOM in his Western column and now carried on by JM is ridiculous and both men look stupid out of it.
Tomorrow is the beginning of the latest assessment of the work JOM and his cohorts have carried out - start judgement then. There are some promising signs that we are slowly moving forward.
i'm gonna base my prediction on stats (last 10 Mayo v Roscommon games)
ok our last three games played in Mchale park Mayo scored 21,20 & 19 points v us >:( if they repeat this we will have to score at least 20 Points to win (hard to see that)
but by adding up the scores full time score should read...........
Mayo 16 Roscommon 12 :'(
i can see a good start by Mayo, possible early goal but the rossies will fight their way back before half time & Mayo only to pull away in the last 10mins
after that we have the shark infested waters to look forward to (Armagh, Donegal Kerry) ::)
8-)the one hope we have can O Donnell Repeat his success in Castlebar of 2006? here's hoping :P
I think Mayo will win this by 6 to 9 points. Seen Ros v Cavan in the league and they were shocking. Have they shown any form in challenge games recently?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 19, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
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Quote from: Azzurri on June 18, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
We're gonna win the Sam Maguire,
When we win we'll light the bonfires,
Dreaming dreams of Sam Maguire,
And victory that waits for me.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they say we are deluded :o
don't mind them Rossfan your not deluded, just bitter and angry :D
Why would I be ...sure we're always batin Kerry in All Ireland Finals .... ;D ;D ;D
Not ALWAYS, ye didn't manage in 1980 did ye?
As for tomorrow's game, I think it will either be competitive up to a point with Mayo to pull away in the last 10 minutes or the Rossies could continue their slump in form that has continued since their u-21s defeat with Mayo earlier on in the year. While I myself personally think it will be the former, I also hope it will be that way if Mayo are to be tested out. Ros will be under no real pressure and are underdogs so they have it all to play for, as not much people, even their own are giving them much hope of an upset. As other Mayo supporters have said progress is rolling along slowly. This is a must win game for John O'Mahony however. I predict JOM will be the happier of the 2 managers tomorrow night. Mayo by 5/6.
letsd face it anything other than a definitive mayo win will be the shick of the season . bigger than antrim beating donegal who were woeful in the league and were getting worse as the year went on. I know mayo only drew with them but since half time in that game the teams have gone in opposite directions. there is no logical reason why Roscommon should be in with a chance
But is the Championship logical?
Hope KOM isnt repeating the mistakes of 2007 Playing the safe option 1st before he has the guts to put out the team he wants in the qualifiers
Mayo by 10
Quote from: rosnarun on June 20, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
letsd face it anything other than a definitive mayo win will be the shick of the season . bigger than antrim beating donegal who were woeful in the league and were getting worse as the year went on. I know mayo only drew with them but since half time in that game the teams have gone in opposite directions. there is no logical reason why Roscommon should be in with a chance
But is the Championship logical?
Hope KOM isnt repeating the mistakes of 2007 Playing the safe option 1st before he has the guts to put out the team he wants in the qualifiers
Mayo by 10
You think mayo will win by 10 points fair enough
But how can you compare the League with the championship? not so long The Rossies where a Div 1 team Beating Galway,kerry,Donegal & Dublin but when it came to the championship we still lost to sligo & leitrim
logical? well sooner or later Roscommon will turn the corner & all it takes is one win
P.S for all your bigger population & greater team it's still only Mayo 3 Roscommon 2 in All Irelands ;)
Quote from: GBXII on June 19, 2009, 05:13:55 PM
Completely agree. Maughan hasn't bothered in the slightest to back this argument up or explain himself in any sort of detail. A nothing article to be honest!
I think the question that Maughan is floating is if Johnno is content to have eleven players from the 2005 panel starting, why not make it twelve? But it's the morning of battle now so it might be a debate for another time. Please God the full-forward line will fire as we hope this evening.
Although I see Ladbrokes are quoting the draw at 10/1...
Roscommon have little lose, bar an absolute humiliation. I would predict a comfortable Mayo win of between 3 and 5 points. Anything closer than that and Roscommwill be in bonus territory. We're two years away from having a competitive team and should be then be cometitive in Division II.
Wouldnt read too much into the Cavan game - an absolute dire performance and an awful lot depends on the fitness of Senan Kilbride.
fcuk the begrudgers, Ros to win by 2 points. I'm always the eternal optimist. Although we were beaten by Cavan, they have shown they aren't too bad...
http://www.justin.tv/sportstime (http://www.justin.tv/sportstime)
2-04 to 0-00 after 14. :o
Rossies taking abit of a beating :-\
Shocking stuff, Mayo 2-5 to 0-0 up, Mayo bullying ros around the middle, mannion looks sluggish and ros midfield non existant, mayo winning every break, forwards look clueless, missed 2 sitters, Kilcoyne having a stormer.
Roscommon are dead duck at the min..
3-07 to 0-00 !
Holy shit 3-7 to 0-0 :o ruthless ruthless, feel sorry for FOD, dont like to see this on any level.
Who got the first two goals?
Saw O'Shea got one there
This is unreal, New York had more fight than this!!
I feel sorry for the poor referee who is going to have to try and provide some entertainment !!!!!!! ;) ;)
Looks like Mayo hot favourites for Connacht now.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 20, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
Looks like Mayo hot favourites for Connacht now.
No doubt !! Red hot favourites. ;) :D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 20, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
Looks like Mayo hot favourites for Connacht now.
Thats only if ye take it easy on us next week ;)
Cruel stuff!. How any team can go out and give a performance like that in a championship is beyond me!
18 points down at half time. I know people will use youth, rebuilding as excuses for this hammering but Ros body language from dot was terrible - they look bet before the started. There seems to be no tactical nouse on the line, no subs used. No fight on the pitch. Ros are a shocking rabble. I think the manager has to take some blame here surely motivation is a key responsibility of management. Mayo are going out hard 100% on the throttle, just like they should. Fair play to them.
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
This doesnt do mayo any favours either, mcgarrity and hartes points just there no one within 15 yrds, any time the ross backs are close they foul or over commit themselves, not sure mayo will have has handy against us or galway. Mayo might be a different kettle of fish kicking under pressure.
Looking back on the 1st half, cardinal sin having no man sitting in the pocket as sweeper under high ball. You never commit all your defenders to high ball and that is a defenders ability to read the game not much the manager can do although if maybe put a man in front of fb line as a tactic before the game.. but Sligo and galway will have to stop the supply and come up with a gameplan to curtail that.
Looks to be a poor enough crowd, or have all the rossies left :-\,
Just back from the game.
One word for Roscommon:
PATHETIC !
And they blamed John Maughan? ::)
It was the worst inter county display that I have seen in a long time. A lot of Mayo clubs would have taken Roscommon today.
Just in the door myself, well all Mayo could do was beat what was in front of them. Ros were absolutely terrible. Lacked everything. Second half was a very damp squib, but it couldn't be the same level of 'intensity' from Mayo. But Ros, Jesus they have an awful lot to do.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
No one foresaw that drubbing. Much as I don't like Roscommon I did feel sorry for their fans having to watch that and felt sorry for Fergie O'Donnell too. It was just a day when their players collapsed and didn't wanna know. Mayo looked good in full flight early on but anything after that has to be backed against the fact that the game was over so soon. Poor crowd too - 15,000.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
You're damn right there muppet, and I won't forget that day for a long time. You couldn't feel sorry for them or beat them by enough often enough.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
You're damn right there muppet, and I won't forget that day for a long time. You couldn't feel sorry for them or beat them by enough often enough.
Farr, what happened in 2001 with the Ross fans?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
Write detailed apologies? More like beg for forgiveness. Now we have had our bad days too but paying €35 into that to watch a team roll over the way they did sickens me. It was an absolute and total disgrace the way Maughan was treated, they didnt respect him and threw the blame. That part of the reason I dont feel one bit sorry for them.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 20, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
You're damn right there muppet, and I won't forget that day for a long time. You couldn't feel sorry for them or beat them by enough often enough.
Farr, what happened in 2001 with the Ross fans?
Well, on our retreat to the car we were shouted at, sworn at, had our car shaken up and down by Rossies as we tried to drive away and generally treated in the most ungracious manner I have ever seen from any set of GAA 'supporters'. You wouldn't see the likes of it at Millwall to be honest.
The flame still burns tells a similar story from his experiences at the game on his blog http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/ (http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/) and I've met plenty of other Mayo fans who also remember that day in particular for the same reason.
13/07/1980 Mayo 0-8 Roscommon 3-13
proves these results can happen (enough of your John maughan BullS**T)
here's a few more results for you!
2/09/2001 Meath 2-14 Kerry 0-5
17/9/2006 Kerry 4-15 Mayo 3-5
20/5/2007 Galway 2-10 Mayo 0-9 (sligo became champs after this)
15/7/2007 Derry 2-13 Mayo 1-6
20/7/2008 Dublin 3-23 Wexford 0-9 (then wexford made semi final)
it's all about how you recover from heavy defeats! i thought people from Mayo would know this? ;)
best of luck vrs Galway/Sligo
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 20, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
You're damn right there muppet, and I won't forget that day for a long time. You couldn't feel sorry for them or beat them by enough often enough.
Farr, what happened in 2001 with the Ross fans?
Well, on our retreat to the car we were shouted at, sworn at, had our car shaken up and down by Rossies as we tried to drive away and generally treated in the most ungracious manner I have ever seen from any set of GAA 'supporters'. You wouldn't see the likes of it at Millwall to be honest.
The flame still burns tells a similar story from his experiences at the game on his blog http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/ (http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/) and I've met plenty of other Mayo fans who also remember that day in particular for the same reason.
That piece seems to back up what your saying, except for the numerous comments posted after from supporters of both counties saying it is ill informed shite.
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
13/07/1980 Mayo 0-8 Roscommon 3-13
proves these results can happen (enough of your John maughan BullS**T)
here's a few more results for you!
2/09/2001 Meath 2-14 Kerry 0-5
17/9/2006 Kerry 4-15 Mayo 3-5
20/5/2007 Galway 2-10 Mayo 0-9 (sligo became champs after this)
15/7/2007 Derry 2-13 Mayo 1-6
20/7/2008 Dublin 3-23 Wexford 0-9 (then wexford made semi final)
it's all about how you recover from heavy defeats! i thought people from Mayo would know this? ;)
best of luck vrs Galway/Sligo
These things can happen but as a neutral I was amazed how, given the rivalry between the 2 teams, Ros didn't seem one bit interested in winning today. They had no self belief, didn't look as fit as Mayo and were bet before they started. Something is not right in that camp and I doubt it can be fixed by your next game.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
hmm i think i told ya already? but this is coming from a sligo fan that witnessed Mayo 3-11 Sligo (defending conn champs) 0-7 just last year!!!
it's easy to kick someone when their down ;) no myth i still have great faith remember there only still 20 ;) i would be more worried about sligo with no underage success & no players coming through
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 20, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 20, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 20, 2009, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
We WILL BATE them in Castlebar and won't we be the proud buckos as we hit the first Ros town we meet on the way home ....BALLAGHADEREEN.... to drink a few pints of porter and then piss in Durkans.
Oh dear, Roscommon's delusion never ceases to amaze, maybe it will now but I doubt it. Sure isn't their messiah in charge, they'll make the All-Ireland Quarters yet!
Maybe we should start a new thread allowing Rossies to come on and write detailed apologies to John Maughan for the way they treated him.
While I should probably feel sorry for Roscommon or something, I honestly don't. The attitude of their fans after the final in the Hyde in 2001 hasn't been forgotton and I have no sympathy for their current plight.
Just realised that even Mayo Mick (who probably isn't even from Mayo) underestimated the hammering we would give them! Any chance anyone could stick the match on Youtube?!
You're damn right there muppet, and I won't forget that day for a long time. You couldn't feel sorry for them or beat them by enough often enough.
Farr, what happened in 2001 with the Ross fans?
Well, on our retreat to the car we were shouted at, sworn at, had our car shaken up and down by Rossies as we tried to drive away and generally treated in the most ungracious manner I have ever seen from any set of GAA 'supporters'. You wouldn't see the likes of it at Millwall to be honest.
The flame still burns tells a similar story from his experiences at the game on his blog http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/ (http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/the-rossies-dont-you-just-love-beating-them/) and I've met plenty of other Mayo fans who also remember that day in particular for the same reason.
That piece seems to back up what your saying, except for the numerous comments posted after from supporters of both counties saying it is ill informed shite.
Well, you would expect Ross fans to say it didn't happen - I'm only telling you what happened to me, maybe other Mayo fans got away and didn't experience it, but there's enough of us that did to make it more than some bulls**t story.
Pathetic match. Gave up on it at half time. Felt very sorry for the Roscommon supporters who travelled to Crossmaglen last year to watcht heir team give the most pathetic display I've ever seen from an intercounty side and today was just as bad. The supporters deserve better than that.
Mayo looked as good as they could look. I assume O'Mahony has enough nous to realise that just pumping the ball in long every time won't pay as many dividends again. Just need to vary their game a bit. Could be an excellent (if ultimately fairly meaningless) Connacht final if Galway get past Sligo.
I honestly think that while Roscommon look in trouble it s nothing Mayo posters should concern themselves with too much. Maughan went into that job with his eyes open - as he did in Fermanagh. He was an experienced manager and should have known what would happen. As regards grief in 2001. I was dismayed how we blew that game and there was understandable crowing, and the behaviour of a few Rossies my least worry. But I or my group got no hassle from anybody. Would nt take it anyway. Anybody rocking my car would be chewing on the end of a wheelbrace.
I m not going to gloat about beating a poor Roscommon team. They have little talent and were never going to recover after bad start. Their worry is that they lack quality all over and hoping that those minors will come along and improve matters is wishful thinking. Obvious that likes of Shine will never be good enough. They cant keep wheeling out likes of Finneran in midfield either. Clubs like the Neale and Killala have better midfielders.
the twin towers got a goal between them? how many points? will the midfield and backs get the chance against galway to score? roscommon done us more harm than good and i hope mayo players realise it.
still i suppose its a win but how dissappointing not to be tested after 2 games.
Well, the main positives for me were the fact that we made a good start for a change, O'Shea and Kilcoyne's performances in the forwards, the general dominance we had in midfield even without Parsons and our fairly tight defence - I never once saw a Ros forward in acres of space whereas Mayo always had free men at the other end. O'Malley in goal was very solid too, no shortage of good keepers in the county. Had we kept the foot on the gas there's no knowing what we could have won by.
Unfortunately the big problem (as has been pointed out by plenty of others) is that we still have no significant yardstick to measure ourselves against. We will be going in fairly blind against Galway or Sligo after our two matches and just hoping that we're as good as NY and Roscommon made us look. You'd still fear that we are not.
Would be a bit concerned about Barry Moran in the forward line still, I didn't think he impressed today and he wasn't great in New York either, don't know if its a fitness or a form thing - seemed a bit slow on the ball when he got it. Maybe we would be better ditching the twin towers and just going with O'Shea and two out of Mortimer, Kilcoyne and maybe Andy Moran alongside. Other than that I can't see too many changes for the next day.
Quote from: mannix on June 20, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
the twin towers got a goal between them? how many points? will the midfield and backs get the chance against galway to score? roscommon done us more harm than good and i hope mayo players realise it.
still i suppose its a win but how dissappointing not to be tested after 2 games.
Surely you can see further than those bare stats? O'Shea may only have got one goal but he set-up Kilcoyne for the first goal and caused the turnover for the penalty. He also set up another five or so scoring chances. You don't have to score to be a threat. That was the most pleasing thing about our forwards today - the movement off the ball was excellent and the ball invariably ended up with the best positioned man on the end of it. Barry Moran wasn't hectic though.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 20, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 20, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
the twin towers got a goal between them? how many points? will the midfield and backs get the chance against galway to score? roscommon done us more harm than good and i hope mayo players realise it.
still i suppose its a win but how dissappointing not to be tested after 2 games.
Surely you can see further than those bare stats? O'Shea may only have got one goal but he set-up Kilcoyne for the first goal and caused the turnover for the penalty. He also set up another five or so scoring chances. You don't have to score to be a threat. That was the most pleasing thing about our forwards today - the movement off the ball was excellent and the ball invariably ended up with the best positioned man on the end of it. Barry Moran wasn't hectic though.
He seems to be incapable of holding a ball to his chest. Untill he learns to catch and hold the ball he's never going to be very effective.
Ok - the positives - We started a game well for the first time this year and we will need to repeat this if a Connacht title is going to be won. Killer and AOS made good impressions and DV got championship time. Tom Parsons and others should be back to give us more options going into the final.
The negatives - We havent been under any pressure so far and it'll be a different story altogether down in presumably Salthill with loads of Jon Kenny lookalikes baying for the galway markers to land him in the stands.
We should have won by more - while the scoreboard looked good our execution of goal chances continues to be poor and when we get them against better teams we are a team that needs to hit the net and close the game out but time and again WE DONT.
From a spectator point of view I felt well and truly robbed today. 25 euro in and it felt like a wake. Not even the first scores of the game raised more than a ripple of excitement when the game was still in the balance.
And lastly Why in gods name are we rebuilding Hyde Park in Mayo -- You come in to see the new stand and Its BLUE seats with YELLOW walkways .
The County Board should taken out behind that media tower(looks like it was designed by someone in the british army) and given a good welting with some wavin. >:(
Have we not got enough pride to put our County Colours on the seats of our new stand like most other forward thinking counties.
PS A special mention for Gary Cox - he was an oasis of class amid the Sahara that was the Roscommon team today.
Quote from: RMDrive on June 20, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 20, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 20, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
the twin towers got a goal between them? how many points? will the midfield and backs get the chance against galway to score? roscommon done us more harm than good and i hope mayo players realise it.
still i suppose its a win but how dissappointing not to be tested after 2 games.
Surely you can see further than those bare stats? O'Shea may only have got one goal but he set-up Kilcoyne for the first goal and caused the turnover for the penalty. He also set up another five or so scoring chances. You don't have to score to be a threat. That was the most pleasing thing about our forwards today - the movement off the ball was excellent and the ball invariably ended up with the best positioned man on the end of it. Barry Moran wasn't hectic though.
He seems to be incapable of holding a ball to his chest. Untill he learns to catch and hold the ball he's never going to be very effective.
Thing is that is normally Barry's strength. He seems to be struggling now to do things that normally come easy to him. The fact that he is capable of this means there isn't as much to panic about but it is still somewaht worrying.
Well done to Mayo on a well deserved & easy win, & Good Luck to ye with the rest of the competition. It's just a shame we couldn't give ye any sort of test on the day. The blistering opening was basically enough to win it for ye.
Today's Ros performance, as most football folk know, is the legacy of the 4 \ 5 years prior to Fergals taking up of the reins. To be fair to him, he had little choice but to set about developing a new side as there were few other options left available to him at that stage. Coming from a base of playing Div 3 football, most of the young lads were encountering the championship pace, intensity & tackling in numbers that Mayo brought to the game today for the first time. Throw in the fact that you'll rarely beat experience when it comes to championship football - Mayo had it in spades today while Ros in comparision were simply too green at this level to make any impression. Three Ros goal chances and several point chances went abegging at times when they might have rallied the lads to greater efforts. Our experienced players showed very little leadership today and even then it was only sporadic, after the game was long gone.
Rome wasn't built in a day & the common perception in Ros before today was that we'll be doing very well to improve to be a competent Division 2 bracket side within about three years. I don't think that's unrealistic, even after today, as Mayo are an experienced top 8 side after all. Rest assured Rossies are totally gutted by today's result. But we'll bear in mind where Fergal is trying to raise Ros football from and keep some perspective on how early his young side is in its development cycle. The only way for Ros to improve their current standard is to aim to be playing higher than division 3 league football. That's where we're at now & it won't happen overnight. It's going to be a long road ahead & we've only started out on the journey.
Mayo must welcome the extra tactic of the long ball in now, allied to yeer running game? Were ye expecting a bigger performance from Barry Moran? Thought Mort the elder got through some great work in the engine room today as well. Johnno seems to have gathered a tactically much more versatile squad this time around, with keen competition for places also, which is always a great situation. ye'll know better after the Conn final, i suppose.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 20, 2009, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on June 20, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 20, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 20, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
the twin towers got a goal between them? how many points? will the midfield and backs get the chance against galway to score? roscommon done us more harm than good and i hope mayo players realise it.
still i suppose its a win but how dissappointing not to be tested after 2 games.
Surely you can see further than those bare stats? O'Shea may only have got one goal but he set-up Kilcoyne for the first goal and caused the turnover for the penalty. He also set up another five or so scoring chances. You don't have to score to be a threat. That was the most pleasing thing about our forwards today - the movement off the ball was excellent and the ball invariably ended up with the best positioned man on the end of it. Barry Moran wasn't hectic though.
He seems to be incapable of holding a ball to his chest. Untill he learns to catch and hold the ball he's never going to be very effective.
Thing is that is normally Barry's strength. He seems to be struggling now to do things that normally come easy to him. The fact that he is capable of this means there isn't as much to panic about but it is still somewaht worrying.
In the few times that I've seen Barry Moran it's always been the case that he has struggled to hold onto the ball. I wouldn't agree that this is something that normally comes easy to him but of course I probable see him play a lot less than you.
Rossfan will have to do a better rallying cry than the one he did on here for the next Ros game. Seriously, I can't get over how bad they were. ONE point in the first half. However, Mayo do seem to be settling into a kind of rhythm now at least. We'll only know how good we are after the Connacht final which is a pity because it's either backdoor for 2 rounds or straight into the quarter-finals. Without offending Sligo, Galway are favourites and I think they'll win as well. I don't think the scoreline will be as one-sided though. Ronan McGarrity was an interesting man of the match selection from RTE, I'd have given it to Dillon/Trevor/AOS/Kilcoyne despite he went out of it in the second half. Hard to know what to make of it all though.
Spot on Farrandeelin - Ros were dire. Along with their general lack of belief there seemed to be a gulf in fitness between the teams which was surprising. In Ros' case it manifested itself in a failure to do the basics - the amount of handpasses etc. that Mayo intercepted was something else.
Unfortunately for Mayo we don't know how good / bad we are (just like after the Sligo game last year).
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2009, 12:25:37 AM
Rossfan will have to do a better rallying cry than the one he did on here for the next Ros game. Seriously, I can't get over how bad they were. ONE point in the first half. However, Mayo do seem to be settling into a kind of rhythm now at least. We'll only know how good we are after the Connacht final which is a pity because it's either backdoor for 2 rounds or straight into the quarter-finals. Without offending Sligo, Galway are favourites and I think they'll win as well. I don't think the scoreline will be as one-sided though. Ronan McGarrity was an interesting man of the match selection from RTE, I'd have given it to Dillon/Trevor/AOS/Kilcoyne despite he went out of it in the second half. Hard to know what to make of it all though.
Just one back door game for the losers of the Connacht final. Would expect both Mayo and Galway to be in the quarter finals.
Nothing gained from that exercise, and to be honest I feel for Roscommon. All slagging that goes on here aside, I don't like to see a Roscommon team on the end of that sort of hiding. Spectator has it right, Fergie needs to be given time and space to develop this team, they'll come good and they will learn from this.
If Barry Moran can't make hay against that sort of defence he'll have no chance later in the season.
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
hmm i think i told ya already? but this is coming from a sligo fan that witnessed Mayo 3-11 Sligo (defending conn champs) 0-7 just last year!!!
it's easy to kick someone when their down ;) no myth i still have great faith remember there only still 20 ;) i would be more worried about sligo with no underage success & no players coming through
If you think thats a kicking when your down you are sadly mistaken. That is a 100% fair post and is in no way an attempt to kick ye when yere down. WTF are having a go at me for >:(. Maybe its the emotional reaction of yday so I'll let you off and when you read it back you might see sense.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2009, 12:25:37 AM
Rossfan will have to do a better rallying cry than the one he did on here for the next Ros game. Seriously, I can't get over how bad they were. ONE point in the first half. However, Mayo do seem to be settling into a kind of rhythm now at least. We'll only know how good we are after the Connacht final which is a pity because it's either backdoor for 2 rounds or straight into the quarter-finals. Without offending Sligo, Galway are favourites and I think they'll win as well. I don't think the scoreline will be as one-sided though. Ronan McGarrity was an interesting man of the match selection from RTE, I'd have given it to Dillon/Trevor/AOS/Kilcoyne despite he went out of it in the second half. Hard to know what to make of it all though.
Not offended, we know everyone outside Sligo thinks the same and will conitinue to that way for many a yr to come, either way it doesnt matter as long as our lads believe they will win.
Are there no players in Roscommon football that are over 25? I ask because you will not just throw a heap of minors into a senior team and expect to grow the team. If you do you will get hammerings like yesterday until all the young lads are demoralised. You need to bring them in gradually with a few older players there to help them out. Now I know Ros have a lot of piss heads of older players but surely in a GAA mad county they could find 10 or so men that would bust a gut for Ros and help the young lads come through. The Ros manager plan of bringing through youth is gone way past what will actually work and he needs to think again or all he'll do is destroy your youth.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 21, 2009, 11:42:45 AM
Are there no players in Roscommon football that are over 25? I ask because you will not just throw a heap of minors into a senior team and expect to grow the team. If you do you will get hammerings like yesterday until all the young lads are demoralised. You need to bring them in gradually with a few older players there to help them out. Now I know Ros have a lot of piss heads of older players but surely in a GAA mad county they could find 10 or so men that would bust a gut for Ros and help the young lads come through. The Ros manager plan of bringing through youth is gone way past what will actually work and he needs to think again or all he'll do is destroy your youth.
That's the thing though, it doesn't look like they do. They haven't had even a half decent championship season since maybe 2003 because nobody has come through their system.
But sending their young fellas out to get killed isn't helping. Their under 21s (former All-Ireland minor champions three years on) couldn't beat Mayo's under 21s a few months ago so they were never going to have a hope against the Mayo seniors. They would be better off bringing in 5 or 6 big strong club players who aren't really county standard to mix it up with teams a bit and give the more talented young lads a bit more space and physical support to play their football.
You'd have to question FODs tactics yesterday as well. Each of the Rpscommon full back line was smaller than the Mayo forward they were marking, but they were left totally exposed. When you're only winning 1 ball out of 5 or 6 in midfield you're not going to win anyway, but the hammering they got could have maybe been avoided if they played a bit more cynically and stuck one or two more players in their own half to close the space Mayo always seemed to have.
To be honest I think it was one of those games, every single thing went right for us, every single thing went wrong for Roscommon. The Rossies have already a championship win against Leitrim - they were missing some of their bigger guns through injury. I don't think they would've been cleaned out so badly in centrefield if Seamie O'Neill was playing. Point is, yesterdays result was a bit of a freak - I was confident we'd win but no one saw that coming.
The worst thing the Rossies could do after yesterday is over react, I hope they don't.
Despite the big win I thought the game raised some major red flags that Mayo need to heed. The ball into the big two was woeful at times and more often than not far too straight, they won't ever dominate a middle third like that again so the ball going in needs to be of a far higher standard. There was a number of bad wides and they gave up at least 3 goal chances which shouldn't be dismissed simply on the basis of poor concentration, though that would have played a part. Nevertheless Mayo have beaten two teams quite comfortably and this should help keep training simmering nicely.
Mayo won the 1st 6 kickouts and scored heavily before the Roscommon forwards even had a ball to compete for. Having had a bad start they then never looked like recovering. Some one had a go at Donie Shine earlier which is very unfair for a guy who was still a minor in 2008, he will have his day. David Flynn was class in 2006 but it is too soon for him to play 6 on experienced guys like Trevor or Alan Dillon.
In 1996 Mayo came from Division 3 and had no form in the previous couple of years to nearly win Sam but we were underachievers then. This Ros team are seriously short on raw materials and blaming the last manager, the previous manager or (wait a year) the current manager won't solve the problem. The problem is more serious than that and 2006 is looking more and more like a blue moon that was mistaken for the birth of a golden era.
As for Mayo well nothing really learned. We now have the ability to vary our game with the twin towers approach. For all the talk of Barry Moran not functioning the early scores came off broken ball that had been aimed at him. Like Donaghy he might not necessarily catch the eye but take him out of there and things could stop happening. I'd leave him.
Kilcoyne and O'Shea should keep their places and of course Conor should be fit which would leave 4 into 3.
If we are to take any positives out of it Ger Cafferkey and Trevor Howley both have valuable game time in positions that were problems last year and in the case of Cafferkey has been a problem for a decade. They will benefit from that as will Kenneth O'Malley and Keith Higgins may have needed the game too.
I hate putting a negative point on an 18 point win but our wing half backs, while great players, don't tackle in any useful way and that will be a problem later in the summer.
Everybody who had any direct involvement in that Roscommon performance yesterday is a disgrace to their county.
I'm talking about the players and management and the much over rated Fergal O'Donnell.
O'Donnell spent the whole league campaign talking the poor mouth and talking up crap teams that Roscommon were set to face. The result was that we hardly managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. When young lads hear their manager coming out with that shit, it dents their self belief and self confidence, so it's no wonder Ros looked beaten from the off yesterday.
They seemed to have no set plan, organisation or method to anything they were trying to do yesterday. After yesterday, i believe the people of Roscommon owe a huge apology to John Maughan for the way he was slated last year.
Roscommon football is a sinking ship, and i see no way back from yesterday.
The minors of 3 years ago are no babies now, and yet, can anyone name 2 of them who look like they have what it takes to cut it at senior inter county level???
The more experienced players like Mannion, Higgins, Finneran, Casey and Dunning are finished, and some of them were never better than useless.
A lot of the Ros players yesterday didn't even have the basic skills.
Add it all up and this is what you get.........
Inadequate young players + over the hill experienced players + mediocre management =YESTERDAY'S RESULT
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 21, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
Everybody who had any direct involvement in that Roscommon performance yesterday is a disgrace to their county.
I'm talking about the players and management and the much over rated Fergal O'Donnell.
O'Donnell spent the whole league campaign talking the poor mouth and talking up crap teams that Roscommon were set to face. The result was that we hardly managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. When young lads hear their manager coming out with that shit, it dents their self belief and self confidence, so it's no wonder Ros looked beaten from the off yesterday.
They seemed to have no set plan, organisation or method to anything they were trying to do yesterday. After yesterday, i believe the people of Roscommon owe a huge apology to John Maughan for the way he was slated last year.
Roscommon football is a sinking ship, and i see no way back from yesterday.
The minors of 3 years ago are no babies now, and yet, can anyone name 2 of them who look like they have what it takes to cut it at senior inter county level???
The more experienced players like Mannion, Higgins, Finneran, Casey and Dunning are finished, and some of them were never better than useless.
A lot of the Ros players yesterday didn't even have the basic skills.
Add it all up and this is what you get.........
Inadequate young players + over the hill experienced players + mediocre management =YESTERDAY'S RESULT
Hang on a second will ya.
I wouldn't call anyone who was out training on the bitterly cold winter nights and who gave so many hours to the cause a disgrace to their county like you have just done.
Yes it was a poor performance, but there will always be days like those. We have to keep our heads up and look to the next game. Dont get me wrong, I left Castlebar as disappointed as the next man but your post is a complete overreaction.
Fergie O'Donnel has given everything he has in this job. We just don't have the players. How you can call them a mediocre management is beyond me.
I don't owe John Maughan any apology. For the money he was rumoured to be getting as manager, he was a huge disappointment. Whta sort of county manager is commentating for RTE radio at the same time as one of the biggest Roscmmon club championship games is taking place?
To the Mayo fans, it's a pity we didn't give ye more of a game yesterday but I for one would love to see ye win an all ireland and i wish ye the best of luck in the connacht final.
azzuri is probably right, the players are not there. in time they may become a force but playing diision 3 is no help and you need to have good players and management to stay in division 1 or 2 and experience the speed of the better teams even if it is only the league.
and by the way great minors are not guaranteed to be great seniors.
Quote from: stephenite on June 21, 2009, 05:12:15 AM
If Barry Moran can't make hay against that sort of defence he'll have no chance later in the season.
totally agree with you there. it was very frustrating watching him with balls bouncing off his chest and legs. dont think the experiment of the 2 big men is working.especially with the ball going down their throats instead of maybe a diagonal ball. would rather have o se full forward with mort and kilcoyne on either side or perhaps trevor at full forward with parsons at cf
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 21, 2009, 05:21:37 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
hmm i think i told ya already? but this is coming from a sligo fan that witnessed Mayo 3-11 Sligo (defending conn champs) 0-7 just last year!!!
it's easy to kick someone when their down ;) no myth i still have great faith remember there only still 20 ;) i would be more worried about sligo with no underage success & no players coming through
If you think thats a kicking when your down you are sadly mistaken. That is a 100% fair post and is in no way an attempt to kick ye when yere down. WTF are having a go at me for >:(. Maybe its the emotional reaction of yday so I'll let you off and when you read it back you might see sense.
maybe i selected the wrong Quote but i was purely make a comment to the many Comments you had about us & forgetting same thing Could happen to Sligo
well best of luck next week!
hope to see ye in Hyde park on July 19th ;)
Quote from: ross4life on June 21, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 21, 2009, 05:21:37 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
hmm i think i told ya already? but this is coming from a sligo fan that witnessed Mayo 3-11 Sligo (defending conn champs) 0-7 just last year!!!
it's easy to kick someone when their down ;) no myth i still have great faith remember there only still 20 ;) i would be more worried about sligo with no underage success & no players coming through
If you think thats a kicking when your down you are sadly mistaken. That is a 100% fair post and is in no way an attempt to kick ye when yere down. WTF are having a go at me for >:(. Maybe its the emotional reaction of yday so I'll let you off and when you read it back you might see sense.
maybe i selected the wrong Quote but i was purely make a comment to the many Comments you had about us & forgetting same thing Could happen to Sligo
well best of luck next week!
hope to see ye in Hyde park on July 19th ;)
Man I know how ya feel trust me on that, just its probably a time for reflection in roscommon and not to relying on the 06 team to come through is what im getting at, just way too much pressure on those lads to reignite the seniors and i feel maybe its not a certainty to happen, also I am well aware of whats ahead of us next week, but nothings impossible and I always take the optimistic route before games.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 21, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 21, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 21, 2009, 05:21:37 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
Its a collective blame, and all sides need to look at themselves.
Ive been totally unconvinced by this myth that because ros won the minor in 06 they will be strong, but there not even close imo, they beat Leitrim who were down to the 4th choice free taker and only scrapped a win. Ros at senior are poor and have been last few yrs simple, the older players arent leaders and thats the problem especially on the field. There in serious danger of wasting the underage talent coming through.
hmm i think i told ya already? but this is coming from a sligo fan that witnessed Mayo 3-11 Sligo (defending conn champs) 0-7 just last year!!!
it's easy to kick someone when their down ;) no myth i still have great faith remember there only still 20 ;) i would be more worried about sligo with no underage success & no players coming through
If you think thats a kicking when your down you are sadly mistaken. That is a 100% fair post and is in no way an attempt to kick ye when yere down. WTF are having a go at me for >:(. Maybe its the emotional reaction of yday so I'll let you off and when you read it back you might see sense.
maybe i selected the wrong Quote but i was purely make a comment to the many Comments you had about us & forgetting same thing Could happen to Sligo
well best of luck next week!
hope to see ye in Hyde park on July 19th ;)
Man I know how ya feel trust me on that, just its probably a time for reflection in roscommon and not to relying on the 06 team to come through is what im getting at, just way too much pressure on those lads to reignite the seniors and i feel maybe its not a certainty to happen, also I am well aware of whats ahead of us next week, but nothings impossible and I always take the optimistic route before games.
Fair point but you must Remember it's not just 2006! we got to the last three connaught minor final's & were very unlucky not to win them all & same goes at u21 last five years 4 finals we got so close last two years!! & i have not mentioned the huge talent of under 16s & schools coming through. and underage success is vital to small footballing counties like Leitrim, Sligo & Roscommon
my point is we didn't have a foundation before & Rome wasn't builted in a day (here's hoping we will come good in 3/4 yrs time)
While the result is shocking from a Roscommon point of view, it is unfair to blame those involved with the 06 minors. You have to try to integrate the younger players into a side with some decent established players in order to achieve success. Roscommon's underage results throughout the nineties and up to 04 were absolutly dreadful. in 99 the minors lost to Mayo by 1-19 to 2-4 and in 91 Leitrim beat Ros by 2-13 to 1-5. Only the Roscommon CBS run in 98 which produced the likes of Gerry Lohan, John Hanly, Paul Noone etc. was a positive. As a result their are no senior players in the county of sufficient quaility to provide a spine of a team (Canavan and Dooher in Tyrone are a good example of providing a platform for minors coming through). Unless Fergal can persuade a few players who have gone off the scene for the last few years to come back I don't see how Roscommon can manage to build anything despite the underage talent coming through.
I genuinely feel sorry for the genuine Roscommon supporters. We know what it is like to be beaten out of the gate - the difference is we have tasted good days to get that far. What ye had to endure is far worse. While there is a tension between Mayo and Ros which makes the games all the more interesting there is no fun in beating ye when ye are down, and a rejuvenated Ros would be good for Connacht football and for Mayo and Galway.
I'm sure ye don't want to hear from Mayo lads but patience (a virtue I have not been blessed with when it comes to Mayo football) is the key. FOD is a decent and proud Rossie. Yesterday I feel the team never got out of the blocks because the mental battle was lost. The talk all week was of "good performance" and that was obviously the focus within the camp - the Rossies of old could be deluded but they would rip into Mayo and make us fight to beat them. There was no belief yesterday that could happen. There are a lot of young players on the Mayo team, many of the same age, but they have better back-up and believe.
As for ourselves I am quitely satisfied with the ruthless way we went about doing the job. It may come back to haunt us that we have not been challenged but we were clinical and sharp yesterday. Obviously we'll have plenty to discuss before the Connacht Final but maybe those of us who doubted the manager may be proved wrong, maybe the plan is coming that step closer to fruition. A win against Galway would be a massive boost for us. Beaing Sligo jsut wouldn't have the same impact.
I recorded the match and I sat down this morning when I had the house to myself and looked at it again- this time objectively.
I liked what I saw.
Kenny was on his game, Keith was flying, Gardener was enjoying himself and the other backs were doing their bit also. Ronan was in great form and seems to have recovered from his recent medical trauma. Upfront, I was impressed by the forwards' work rate and concentration and after reviewing the game, I still feel the same way.
When 15 players go on the field, it is quite probable that one or more will turn in a below-par performance. It would be illogical to expect otherwise.
I am thinking of Barry Moran here.
I don't accept fully the criticism that some others here have levelled at him; he has had better days in a Mayo jersey alright but he was not found wanting where commitment to the cause was concerned. Maybe the fault for his dropped passes lies elsewhere. I doubt if he enjoyed the quality of passes he was getting a lot and there was a definite breakdown in communication between him and the others around him.
I'd suggest that he is being judged rather harshly because of the fine form of those around him. On many days in the recent past, we'd have been damn glad to have some sort of a full forward at all.
IMO, he passed one acid test –he showed for the ball at all times.
It would be churlish to ignore the input of John O'Mahony either.
He had his best display to date in the bainisteor's bib.
Okay; the lack of opposition from a very disappointing Roscommon side has to be taken into account but the work ethic of Mayo and their determination to stick at it until the result was a foregone conclusion is a new and welcome development.
For Roscommon, it was a case of a step up too far and too soon. We have had too many days like that to gloat over their misfortune. Any team that goes to Pairc Sean and comes away with a victory has to be a useful side and Roscommon didn't turn up yesterday to merely provide numbers.
We didn't meet a quality team but the way in which we did the business did impress me.
It's time to get down to business again and concentrate on crossing the next hurdle.
I'm satisfied that a good start has been made.
Quote from: mannix on June 21, 2009, 02:12:17 PM
azzuri is probably right, the players are not there. .
Absolutely true. We have damn all in the over 21 age bracket .
My Gettysburg speech ::) last week didnt work yesterday as we went out playing Div 3 League football against a big strong mobile team playing intense Championship football.
We're down now but will rise in time...however we are talking 2012 at least before we'll have these green shoots. I just hope that some good young lads dont fall by the wayside along the way.
Most of the Mayo posters ( with a few dishonourable exceptions) have been kind in their remarks when they could have had a field day. Thanks lads.
However calls for apologies to Maughtan are wide of the mark.
I was talking to some of the management team last night but really can't remember what they were saying as much porter was consumed(by me !!).
I suppose we'll now draw the winners of Monaghan/Armagh.
As i'm not fully aware of the roscommon panels strength and dept, surely some change should have been made earlier, either tactically or in personell. The biggest concern for mayo is the two morans, Bary had a stinker and wasnt too impressive in NY, while andy is not abled to tackle. I agree mayos forward ball was too straight
QuoteI suppose we'll now draw the winners of Monaghan/Armagh.
Probably and then Kerry in the round after that! :D
Quote from: Barney on June 21, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
I genuinely feel sorry for the genuine Roscommon supporters. We know what it is like to be beaten out of the gate - the difference is we have tasted good days to get that far. What ye had to endure is far worse. While there is a tension between Mayo and Ros which makes the games all the more interesting there is no fun in beating ye when ye are down, and a rejuvenated Ros would be good for Connacht football and for Mayo and Galway.
I'm sure ye don't want to hear from Mayo lads but patience (a virtue I have not been blessed with when it comes to Mayo football) is the key. FOD is a decent and proud Rossie. Yesterday I feel the team never got out of the blocks because the mental battle was lost. The talk all week was of "good performance" and that was obviously the focus within the camp - the Rossies of old could be deluded but they would rip into Mayo and make us fight to beat them. There was no belief yesterday that could happen. There are a lot of young players on the Mayo team, many of the same age, but they have better back-up and believe.
Well said Barney. In the past Ros would rip into Mayo, so if the young Mayo players had better belief, why is that??
It's because Ros are managed this year by someone whose Holy Grail for the year was staying in Division 3 and beating Leitrim!!!
Now we hear that we don't have the players so the manager is immune from criticism, just because he's Fergal O'Donnell. Yet last year, we also didn't have the players, but John Maughan got all the blame, just because he was from Mayo.
As for that man above, who mentioned players out on winters nights, it's time to stop wallowing that sort of bullshit out every year.
After yesterday, you'd wonder what exactly they're doing at any of the training sessions.
As for ourselves I am quitely satisfied with the ruthless way we went about doing the job. It may come back to haunt us that we have not been challenged but we were clinical and sharp yesterday. Obviously we'll have plenty to discuss before the Connacht Final but maybe those of us who doubted the manager may be proved wrong, maybe the plan is coming that step closer to fruition. A win against Galway would be a massive boost for us. Beaing Sligo jsut wouldn't have the same impact.
QuoteWell, you would expect Ross fans to say it didn't happen - I'm only telling you what happened to me, maybe other Mayo fans got away and didn't experience it, but there's enough of us that did to make it more than some bulls**t story.
Same for me .... will never forget the antics of the Rossies immediately after that goal and the whole after match stuff. From being slapped on the head by half a dozen or so buffs immediately on the full time whistle (for the crime of shouting for my team durign the match) to the night ending in Athlone with one of our company get a slap in a nightclub for having the neck to wear a Mayo jersey in the midst of all the supporting Rossies.
So sorry, but can never beat them often enough and can never beat them by enough. My only regret from yesterday was that we did not win by more than 20 as the previous record winning margin in the previous 50 previous championship meetings was also 20 points when Mayo won in 1929 by 6-6 to 0-4 ....... at least 3-18 was the biggest score by either team in the previous meetings.
approx 3 minutes dedicated to this match on the Sunday Game?
Quote from: highorlow on June 21, 2009, 11:07:18 PM
approx 3 minutes dedicated to this match on the Sunday Game?
About 2 minutes too long. ;D
Quote from: blast05 on June 21, 2009, 11:01:41 PM
QuoteWell, you would expect Ross fans to say it didn't happen - I'm only telling you what happened to me, maybe other Mayo fans got away and didn't experience it, but there's enough of us that did to make it more than some bulls**t story.
Same for me .... will never forget the antics of the Rossies immediately after that goal and the whole after match stuff. From being slapped on the head by half a dozen or so buffs immediately on the full time whistle (for the crime of shouting for my team durign the match) to the night ending in Athlone with one of our company get a slap in a nightclub for having the neck to wear a Mayo jersey in the midst of all the supporting Rossies.
So sorry, but can never beat them often enough and can never beat them by enough. My only regret from yesterday was that we did not win by more than 20 as the previous record winning margin in the previous 50 previous championship meetings was also 20 points when Mayo won in 1929 by 6-6 to 0-4 ....... at least 3-18 was the biggest score by either team in the previous meetings.
every county has knackers (mayo included) just because you where unlucky to run into a few bad eggs you think all rossies are like this? cop yer self on man!!! as for athlone nightlife well there's not a night someone gets slapped there!!
This match means absolutely nothing!!!!!!!!!!
Look what happened last year:
Dublin hammered Wexford, then got hammered by Tyrone.
Wexford got hammered by Dublin-then almost beat Tyrone.
My dislike of Rossies stems from the 1989 Connaught Final Replay. One of their players (if you want to call him that) almost took Jimmy Browns head off with an elbow. Brown was knocked out cold and while he was getting treatment on the pitch (before being stretchered off) the Rossies all around us were shouting things such as "good enough for the cvnt" "you didn't hit the cvnt half hard enough". It wasn't just kids either-men, women and children were joining in.
Never before or since, have I watched a match surrounded by such Barbarians!
Well done Mayo and hopefully ye go on now and do well this year. It was a power house performance but with Ros been so bad you cant read too much into it.
From our point of view, its back to the drawing board. The thing that worried me the most was the severe lack of pace of our players. The heads dropped very quickly but credit to Gary Cox and a few others who kept plugging away. I dint think we are as bad as we showed on Saturday but the reality is we are somewhere in the bottom 10 counties and only alot of work at underage level is going to change that in the long run. Fergie is the man for that job.
On a side note, I sat behind one of the soundest Mayo men on Saturday. A genuine football man who took no pleasure in what he saw in front of him. In fairness as Rosfan has already said most of the Mayo lads on here have been very balanced and fair as well. Of course there are a few exceptions. Grow up lads, friendly rivalry is fine but common ignorance is never good.
Up the rossies.
Very hard to know where Mayo are after Saturday, but we definitely have plenty of positives to take from the game.
Kenneth O'Malley proved that after all he's been through, he's still a very good goalkeeper with two good saves. His kickouts were almost always won by Mayo but you can't read too much into that due to Roscommon's no-show in the middle.
I had wondered what the point of playing Andy Moran in the half backs was, but it was fairly apparent on Saturday. He is a very accurate long foot passer. This was a major part of the gameplan on Saturday, but when we come against stronger oppposition, his defensive abilities, and tackling in particular may become more of a liability.
Midfield completely dominated and McGarrity was excellent. Heaney didn't win clean ball but got through a lot of work and the partnership of Heaney and McGarrity may be a better mix of talents that McGarrity and Parsons, but again, this is hard to know as they had complete control of midfield.
All three in the half forwards were excellent - I had expected big games from Harte and Dillon, but was delighted to see Trevor Mort play so well. The rustiness (and it was very rusty!) of the league games seems to be gone now. There weren't the misplaced passes, fumbles and god-awful wides. He won his ball as he always will, but his passing was excellent, indcluding some long cross field foot passes. He took a lovely point over his shoulder in off the post as well.
Dillon is a class act and is in top form. As long as he can avoid the niggly injuries that have plagued him, I think he'll have a big year for Mayo.
I was reading the Independent this morning and Kilkoyne was quoted as saying there was pressure on him, as a lot of people were saying he's only good coming off the bench. He's right, and I thought that myself. So fair play to him, he played with great confidence on Saturday. Once he got the first score, you got the feeling he was going to have a good game. The goal coming so soon after had his confidence soaring and he kicked a lovely point from play later in the half. He will probably keep his place for the Connacht Final, and the next test for him might be to see how he reacts after an early miss - there won't be many championship matches as easy as Saturday.
The twin towers approach worked a treat and O'Shea in particular caught the eye. The way he took his goal just shows the class this lad has. And almost as satisfying is his work ethic. The way he kept hassling the Ros defenders in the lead up to the penalty was fantastic. He lost the ball twice and still managed to win it back to set up Kilkoyne who played a lovely ball across to Vaughan. Pat Harte drilled home the penalty.
There were a couple of concerns though. I didn't think Keith Higgins had a great game. I thought he was pretty loose and was caught out a couple of times in the first half. But we know what Keith is capable of and I've no doubt he'll improve with more games. Even by the second half he started to look more like the player of the last couple of years.
Barry Moran also looked rusty. As has been mentioned by several posters, it's very frustrating to see a big man like that who can't seem to hold on to the ball - even ball played into his chest. However, I think he still caused enough panic in the Ros defence to merit another start in the Connacht final. It should also be remembered that he hasn't played a lot of football this year due to injuries. T Mort was equally clumsy with the ball during the league but came good on Sat, so hopefully Moran can do the same with more games - remember the trouble he caused at FF against Derry in 07.
It was great to see Mayo clinically put a team away so ruthlessly and efficiently. Far too often in the past, Mayo dominance wasn't reflected on the scoreboard, and we were caught at the end. Having said that, it must have been very hard for the Roscommon supporters to watch. They have had a few very bad years, and were hoping this was the start of an upward curve. Unfortunately, it looks like too much was asked of the 06 minors too soon. As we in Mayo know all too well, getting hit by early goals can really knock a team back and make it extremely difficult to fight your way back into a game. The young Ros players were shell shocked and never recovered.
Reading FODs comments in the Independent today was a bit worrying as well. He was saying that maybe they'd be better off with a year to regroup rather than have to face the qualifiers. While he might think that, it's hardly what the players need to hear right now. A time for calm heads I think. I genuinely hope that Saturday hasn't left a permanent scar on some of the younger Rossie players. But it shouldn't have - Mayo have drubbings on the most high profile day of the football year, and they recovered. As long as Ros continue the good underage work, they will become competitive in Connacht again, although it looks like it's going to take a few years longer than many had expected.
Embarrassing stuff.
Ross have had some bad days in Castlebar but this was the worst.
Its was coming though. I thought beforehand we would do well to keep the score respectable but after 5 mins it was obvious that it was going to be a rout. The back door will offer us nothing as we can only hope of avoiding another lashing.
The one fear I have is that its a seriously damaging defeat for the younger panel members and their confidence will be shot to bits.
I know Mayo fans reckon they cant read anything into the game but you shouldn't underestimate how good you were.
There was a confident, almost arrogant swagger to the team and they were on a mission to finish this game as quick as possible.
They were ruthless in their purpose and kicked some great scores. The build up leading to Gardiners point in the 2nd half was excellent. Added to that you will have Parsons and Mortimer back to full fitness later in the year.
I honestly believe Mayo have a hell of a chance to go real close this year. They have the talent in the squad and with the back door getting very crowded things could fall into place nicely for them come August.
I for one hope they can do it and the majority of genuine Gaa fans in Ross wouldn't begrudge you your day in the sun.
Mayo played especially well but it reminded me of dublin v wexford last season. That game will be of no benefit to them. And I hope they don't suffer a similar fate in the connacht final like we suffered against tyrone last year.
I don't know where Roscommon football goes after that. Too many kids playing- but I'm not sure O Donnell had much choice when he took the job. It was a mericless hiding.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 10:42:40 AM
Mayo played especially well but it reminded me of dublin v wexford last season. That game will be of no benefit to them. And I hope they don't suffer a similar fate in the connacht final like we suffered against tyrone last year.
I don't know where Roscommon football goes after that. Too many kids playing- but I'm not sure O Donnell had much choice when he took the job. It was a mericless hiding.
No mercy shown - but as you say they might just pay for it later on.
It was to mayo's credit that they showed no mercy and kept going but its hard to know whether games against beaten dockets help you. You can only beat what is in front of you but having watched dublin dish out the same to leinster teams. You'd wonder whether that preparation might hinder them against Galway. I don't expect Sligo to be as bad as Roscommon.
Quote from: orangeman on June 22, 2009, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 10:42:40 AM
Mayo played especially well but it reminded me of dublin v wexford last season. That game will be of no benefit to them. And I hope they don't suffer a similar fate in the connacht final like we suffered against tyrone last year.
I don't know where Roscommon football goes after that. Too many kids playing- but I'm not sure O Donnell had much choice when he took the job. It was a mericless hiding.
No mercy shown - but as you say they might just pay for it later on.
Thought some goal attempts were little arrogant escially Kilcoynes 1st half miss when point was obvious at 15pts up. Ruthlessness is a good thing, showing no mercy when game is over is another.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 10:46:57 AM
It was to mayo's credit that they showed no mercy and kept going but its hard to know whether games against beaten dockets help you. You can only beat what is in front of you but having watched dublin dish out the same to leinster teams. You'd wonder whether that preparation might hinder them against Galway. I don't expect Sligo to be as bad as Roscommon.
Neither do we, in fact ye can quote me on this, I cant see anything but a tight game with us and Galway ;).
ross fans
your team were not winning sam this year anyway, fod should be priming them to have a go in the qualifiers or else why bother training all year.that sort of thinking is bad, you get one hiding and want to run away till next year. he should relish the chance, that is the beauty of the qualifier.
mayo players said the same last year, that they did not like the qualifier route, how can you give up your life for training and then dismiss it all so easily as that?
would kerry or tyrone throw stones at the qualifier route? then why should anyone else?
question for the ros fans, why were there not more castlerea men on the panel as county champions? only Claffey in goal and padraig duignan on the bench. with the exception of henegan who was not available is there nobody else worth a go?
Best forward last season in the county championship was Nigel Dineen.. even at 35ish
Thought he would have been worth a shot for a year anyways as a target man for the smaller forwards round him.
Castlerea were poor champions though. Bridgets are far and away the best club in Ross but were caught on the hop
Pretty much everything said before but I'll give my spin on it anyway.
I was pleased with the Mayo display especially the start. Throughout the league we were guilty of bad start and giving mediocre teams a lead they mightn't have deserved - Donegal, Galway, Derry spring to mind. And we were at it again against NY - they went 4 points up after a few mins. So it was good to see that the lads and the management realised this and burst out of the traps.
Also good to see lads who can get goals in the inside forward line as well Kilcoyne and O'Sé can finish which is something we were missing up there. Barry Moran didn't have a good game and if I had only seen him in this game I'd definitely be calling for him to be dropped. He didn't catch hold of any of the good ball coming in - you can forgive not winning bad ball but 3 handy balls came into him in the 2nd half and they bounced off his chest. However I saw him against Derry in 07 when he was one of about 3 players who played for us that day so I know he can do it. Either way his spot is in jeopardy if Conor starts playing well in training.
Midfield very good. You can say they weren't up against much but I think McGarrity needed to have a good game to help regain some of his form. I think if he do well in midfield in the Connacht Final we should win. And if it's Galway we face they aren't exactly blessed with riches in that department.
Backs didn't get tested at all. Good that Howley and Higgins played full games - they haven't played that much football for us recently and we'll need them later on. Still a half back line with Moran and Gardiner has the potential to be very loose. But at least we have the options this year to change it around there.
All in all it's looking positive. Difficult to tell but I reckon we have the talent and the gameplan to do well this yr. We have now a plan B alongside our plan A of the last few years so thats always good.
A word on Ros. Don't put much blame on the young lads. It generally takes 2-3 yrs to get through a good U21 side to senior - look at Kilcoyne, Cafferkey, B Moran, Howley and O'Malley yesterday all those guys are only settling down properly now after winning a U21 in 06. So by that yardstick it will be 2011 or 2012 before the minors can form a backbone to a serious senior side.
That Mayo display would beat any team in Ireland this year. We may well have seen the all ireland champions in Castlebar last saturday evening.
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2009, 11:35:24 AM
That Mayo display would beat any team in Ireland this year. We may well have seen the all ireland champions in Castlebar last saturday evening.
Class :D We probably didnt even see the connaught champions!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 22, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2009, 11:35:24 AM
That Mayo display would beat any team in Ireland this year. We may well have seen the all ireland champions in Castlebar last saturday evening.
Class :D We probably didnt even see the connaught champions!
Nice one Foxy. :D
Quote from: kevmy on June 22, 2009, 11:32:35 AM
Pretty much everything said before but I'll give my spin on it anyway.
I was pleased with the Mayo display especially the start. Throughout the league we were guilty of bad start and giving mediocre teams a lead they mightn't have deserved - Donegal, Galway, Derry spring to mind. And we were at it again against NY - they went 4 points up after a few mins. So it was good to see that the lads and the management realised this and burst out of the traps.
Also good to see lads who can get goals in the inside forward line as well Kilcoyne and O'Sé can finish which is something we were missing up there. Barry Moran didn't have a good game and if I had only seen him in this game I'd definitely be calling for him to be dropped. He didn't catch hold of any of the good ball coming in - you can forgive not winning bad ball but 3 handy balls came into him in the 2nd half and they bounced off his chest. However I saw him against Derry in 07 when he was one of about 3 players who played for us that day so I know he can do it. Either way his spot is in jeopardy if Conor starts playing well in training.
Midfield very good. You can say they weren't up against much but I think McGarrity needed to have a good game to help regain some of his form. I think if he do well in midfield in the Connacht Final we should win. And if it's Galway we face they aren't exactly blessed with riches in that department.
Backs didn't get tested at all. Good that Howley and Higgins played full games - they haven't played that much football for us recently and we'll need them later on. Still a half back line with Moran and Gardiner has the potential to be very loose. But at least we have the options this year to change it around there.
All in all it's looking positive. Difficult to tell but I reckon we have the talent and the gameplan to do well this yr. We have now a plan B alongside our plan A of the last few years so thats always good.
A word on Ros. Don't put much blame on the young lads. It generally takes 2-3 yrs to get through a good U21 side to senior - look at Kilcoyne, Cafferkey, B Moran, Howley and O'Malley yesterday all those guys are only settling down properly now after winning a U21 in 06. So by that yardstick it will be 2011 or 2012 before the minors can form a backbone to a serious senior side.
You need a succession of underage teams to produce a good senior side. One won't do it. Ross need another underage team to come through and soon. They got rid of too many of the old guard too soon.Youth policies don't work at adult level- I've seen it at club level and they never work. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of players discarded too soon on the basis of age. I've seen it at club and county level.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: kevmy on June 22, 2009, 11:32:35 AM
Pretty much everything said before but I'll give my spin on it anyway.
I was pleased with the Mayo display especially the start. Throughout the league we were guilty of bad start and giving mediocre teams a lead they mightn't have deserved - Donegal, Galway, Derry spring to mind. And we were at it again against NY - they went 4 points up after a few mins. So it was good to see that the lads and the management realised this and burst out of the traps.
Also good to see lads who can get goals in the inside forward line as well Kilcoyne and O'Sé can finish which is something we were missing up there. Barry Moran didn't have a good game and if I had only seen him in this game I'd definitely be calling for him to be dropped. He didn't catch hold of any of the good ball coming in - you can forgive not winning bad ball but 3 handy balls came into him in the 2nd half and they bounced off his chest. However I saw him against Derry in 07 when he was one of about 3 players who played for us that day so I know he can do it. Either way his spot is in jeopardy if Conor starts playing well in training.
Midfield very good. You can say they weren't up against much but I think McGarrity needed to have a good game to help regain some of his form. I think if he do well in midfield in the Connacht Final we should win. And if it's Galway we face they aren't exactly blessed with riches in that department.
Backs didn't get tested at all. Good that Howley and Higgins played full games - they haven't played that much football for us recently and we'll need them later on. Still a half back line with Moran and Gardiner has the potential to be very loose. But at least we have the options this year to change it around there.
All in all it's looking positive. Difficult to tell but I reckon we have the talent and the gameplan to do well this yr. We have now a plan B alongside our plan A of the last few years so thats always good.
A word on Ros. Don't put much blame on the young lads. It generally takes 2-3 yrs to get through a good U21 side to senior - look at Kilcoyne, Cafferkey, B Moran, Howley and O'Malley yesterday all those guys are only settling down properly now after winning a U21 in 06. So by that yardstick it will be 2011 or 2012 before the minors can form a backbone to a serious senior side.
You need a succession of underage teams to produce a good senior side. One won't do it. Ross need another underage team to come through and soon. They got rid of too many of the old guard too soon.Youth policies don't work at adult level- I've seen it at club level and they never work. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of players discarded too soon on the basis of age. I've seen it at club and county level.
That's true as well - you generally only get 5 or 6 lads coming through from an underage team. Still Ros would be looking on that minor team to be the backbone added with a couple of players like Kilbride, Cox and Seamie O'Neill and also perhaps a couple of more underage players coming after that minor winning side.
I don't expect Ros to be challenging for Sam in 2011/2012 but I certainly expect them to be given Mayo and Galway a run.
QuoteYou need a succession of underage teams to produce a good senior side.
Not necessarily, there is no hard and fast rule here and it depends very much on the circumstances. Kerry for example have constantly added to their senior set up despite having little underage success over the past 10-15 years. The difference there of course is the young players are coming into a set up that has quality already and the younger players aren't expected to lead the way. Roscommons problem isn't the successful minor team but the lack of real quality before them. There isn't 4 or 5 quality older players to give them a platfrom in a game and in fairness to the mangement I don't think they have those players to pick from. Anyway there'll be plenty of teams in the next round that Ros could take so I'd looking to bounce back as quickly as possible if I were a Ros footballer.
I'm not sure about that. Roscommon didn't win the connacht u21 championship this year which indicates they probably had 4/5 senior inter county players of the required standard off that minor team. They'd need another one at least to get truely competitive. Preferably at u21 level.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
I'm not sure about that. Roscommon didn't win the connacht u21 championship this year which indicates they probably had 4/5 senior inter county players of the required standard off that minor team. They'd need another one at least to get truely competitive. Preferably at u21 level.
Well if you where at the under 21 final this year i'm sure you know how close the rossies where to winning ::) (Mayo got a goal in 4 mins of injury time to take it into extra time)
Quote from: ross4life on June 22, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
I'm not sure about that. Roscommon didn't win the connacht u21 championship this year which indicates they probably had 4/5 senior inter county players of the required standard off that minor team. They'd need another one at least to get truely competitive. Preferably at u21 level.
Well if you where at the under 21 final this year i'm sure you know how close the rossies where to winning ::) (Mayo got a goal in 4 mins of injuring time to take it into extra time)
Interesting concept, injuring time.
Quote from: ross4life on June 22, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
I'm not sure about that. Roscommon didn't win the connacht u21 championship this year which indicates they probably had 4/5 senior inter county players of the required standard off that minor team. They'd need another one at least to get truely competitive. Preferably at u21 level.
Well if you where at the under 21 final this year i'm sure you know how close the rossies where to winning ::) (Mayo got a goal in 4 mins of injuring time to take it into extra time)
I accept that but the dublin u21 hurling side last season were expected to compete for the all-ireland last year following their minor success and it never happened. We still got 4/5 terrific players off that team- buts thats as well as you'll do off any minor team. Expecting to get 10 players off one team as Roscommon are doing is expecting too much.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2009, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 22, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2009, 11:35:24 AM
That Mayo display would beat any team in Ireland this year. We may well have seen the all ireland champions in Castlebar last saturday evening.
Class :D We probably didnt even see the connaught champions!
Nice one Foxy. :D
True longrunsthefox. Galway are the current Connacht champions and Tyrone are the All-Ireland champions. Mayo have won nothing yet but are in a Connacht final.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 22, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 22, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
I'm not sure about that. Roscommon didn't win the connacht u21 championship this year which indicates they probably had 4/5 senior inter county players of the required standard off that minor team. They'd need another one at least to get truely competitive. Preferably at u21 level.
Well if you where at the under 21 final this year i'm sure you know how close the rossies where to winning ::) (Mayo got a goal in 4 mins of injuring time to take it into extra time)
I accept that but the dublin u21 hurling side last season were expected to compete for the all-ireland last year following their minor success and it never happened. We still got 4/5 terrific players off that team- buts thats as well as you'll do off any minor team. Expecting to get 10 players off one team as Roscommon are doing is expecting too much.
well our under age success has been good for 4/5 yrs now so more than just 2006! but when you have such a small panel to pick from then theres not much choice other than picking them?
our experience players are our main problem no leaders & simply not good enough!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 21, 2009, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 21, 2009, 02:12:17 PM
azzuri is probably right, the players are not there. .
Absolutely true. We have damn all in the over 21 age bracket .
My Gettysburg speech ::) last week didnt work yesterday as we went out playing Div 3 League football against a big strong mobile team playing intense Championship football.
We're down now but will rise in time...however we are talking 2012 at least before we'll have these green shoots. I just hope that some good young lads dont fall by the wayside along the way.
Most of the Mayo posters ( with a few dishonourable exceptions) have been kind in their remarks when they could have had a field day. Thanks lads.
However calls for apologies to Maughtan are wide of the mark.
I was talking to some of the management team last night but really can't remember what they were saying as much porter was consumed(by me !!).
I suppose we'll now draw the winners of Monaghan/Armagh.
In fairness Rossfan most of the mayo lads are genuine football supporters and we have been through enough of the same pain that roscommon suffered on saturday so we know better than to gloat. As you said it will take a few years for roscommon to rebuild but hopefully ye will because we all need connacht to be as competetive as possible. aS for the result on saturday its hard to know where we stand , we were clinical with our finishing on saturday especially the 1st 20 minutes where we put roscommon out of reach . we lorded it at midfield but i could not understand why the roscommon goalie didn't try and vary his kickout he kept hitting it down the middle and it was coming back as quick as he was hitting it out. As other posters said our backs weren't really tested, all thats left to say is that we bet sligo last year fairly handily and looked what happened against galway so i don't think anyone will be running away with themselves thinking the connact is ours . As bertie said there is a lot done , a lot more to do ( thats especially for you Rossafan ;) :D )
Quote from: ross4life on June 22, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
our experience players are our main problem no leaders & simply not good enough!
As the boys on Shannonside were saying this evening ..10 or 15 years of not being competitive at underage has led to that situation. As for leadership ... 2 successive army managers was never going to allow anything like that to develop. ::)
We have to face the Qualifiers with a bit of pride and no matter who we get .
The lads owe it to themselves first and foremost and to the management and supporters to wear that primrose jersey as a badge of honour and pride in who we are and where we come from.
If another walloping is the end result so what...let it be a learning curve for both players and management.
Look at how McGeeney approached things after Kildare lost to Wicklow . He said the management needed to look at themselves too and how they did things too and they havent been doing too bad since.
Just going back to that u-21 game, which I wasn't at incidentally between Mayo and Ros, it seemed to set Roscommon back big time. They had been doing well in the league up till then and were unlucky that the ref played on for so long that day too. Then afterwards, they seemed to go into freefall, they managed to beat Leitrim, who were struggling with missing players and lost Emlyn Mulligan through injury and had to do lots of reshuffling. It's easy saying it now, but that U-21 game could prove to be the turning point in Roscommon's year yet. Or, they can pick themselves up and have a good look at themselves and start to prepare for the next backdoor game in 3 weeks.
In an ideal world, O Donnell would have taken the u21s on instead of the senior squad. Seven players were discarded by the commencement of the Maughan era and seven more were felt isolated by the changes. I can see why the changes were done, however at this point some 3.5 years down the line these changes have back fired big time. Maughan should however not be blamed for all the ills of Roscommon football as pointed out earlier we were uncompetive in Connacht football both at minor and u21 level in the mid to late nineties and up until 2004.
Mayo despite the opposition were truly excellent on Saturday, they looked big, tall, mobile, fast, determined, skillful and well drilled, I sincerely hope they go on an win an All Ireland this year their mostly superb supporters who were gracious in victory the last evening deserve it.
Good luck and hopefully soon the Rossies will be giving Mayo good hard tight games again.
good post farrandellin. I think you hit the nail on the head as regards the u 21 game.this was the game that ros were building for all year and this loss was a devasting blow to them. there will be better days for ros in the future as they seem to be doing good work with there underage structure but they must be competitive in there next qualifer game to give at least some hope for next year.
Quote from: mayo51 on June 22, 2009, 10:31:51 PM
good post farrandellin. I think you hit the nail on the head as regards the u 21 game.this was the game that ros were building for all year and this loss was a devasting blow to them. there will be better days for ros in the future as they seem to be doing good work with there underage structure but they must be competitive in there next qualifer game to give at least some hope for next year.
True that . I never saw ross as comfident as going into that game and in fairness seened to have the better individuals on the day , but mayo put in a hell of a performace esp a lot of the like cathal carolan who will probably never play for the seniors.
Back to Barry moran while he looked poor in the second half , while the game need to be one he was excellent at the role he was selected for . A big target man, and caused an awful lot of the loose ball that A se and Kilcoyne profited from. of course he didnt look as good as Aidan o sé but not many do. I would be slow to drop him as the line up has given mayo a shape and they seem to know how to use it . Id be more worried about how often ross got clear shot on the mayo goal where Omalley was outstanding
Tinkering at this stage would only serve to put mayo back to square one.
Lets build on last sunday , Despite what you think of the opposition mayo still had to do they business and the did it very well.
The Rossies beat out the gate long before the Angelus. Get your spot in City Wesht while ya can
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/well-have-ya-citywesht-booked/
QuoteDespite what you think of the opposition mayo still had to do they business and the did it very well.
Agree. This was a very impressive Mayo performance throughout the game. Even when the game was long won the defence was working hard not giving up any soft scores, the forwards were still hungry for scores there was still shape and discpline in the team regardless of substitutions. Looked a serious outfit to me. Really impressed with the pace and power - while Ros may lack physical presence they Mayo players just swatted them aside.
I see no reason why Mayo won't be in the shake up for AI honours. When one looks at their panel they have strength in depth, plenty of experience plus plenty of leaders. I tipped them to wiin the AI a while back on this board and see no reason to change.
As for Roscommon well the point has been made that the process of building a team after a period of poor under age results up to 06 and the fall out of 03 cleanout will be long and difficult. We are woefully short of experience and confidence and in particular a physical presence at FB, CHB and midfield. Nevertheless we have had encouraging results at under age since '06 and given time we can become competitive in Connacht again - but it will be 2011 or 2012.
Thanks to the Mayo posters here who have been largely gracious - as I would expect from the county. I think ye will have an enjoyable year. Go ahead with the City West bookings. Stephenite you better be booking your ticket!!
Will someone start a Connacht final thread? I was told I acted out of turn starting this thread :P
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2009, 10:15:36 PM
Will someone start a Connacht final thread? I was told I acted out of turn starting this thread :P
Barney gave out to me once before for starting a thread!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2009, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2009, 10:15:36 PM
Will someone start a Connacht final thread? I was told I acted out of turn starting this thread :P
Barney gave out to me once before for starting a thread!!
Does the fact that he's now married mean he has more or less time to be starting threads??
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2009, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2009, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2009, 10:15:36 PM
Will someone start a Connacht final thread? I was told I acted out of turn starting this thread :P
Barney gave out to me once before for starting a thread!!
Does the fact that he's now married mean he has more or less time to be starting threads??
hasnt done his humour much good , has no one the courage
Quotehasnt done his humour much good
I'm smiling inside Ros
Horan pulls no punches;
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eymhidaukf&cat=sport