The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Did the mods delete Gmac's "drag queens are pedos" "offerings"?

not what I said

Sure go ahead and correct it then.

I have nothing to correct , you have

From what I recall you responded to Eamonn's comment about guns with a remark about "pedos" and drag queen story hours and antifa. Someone then removed both your comment and my asking you what you were on about.

Anyway, doesn't really matter.

too much censorship on the board see ya

Yes Gmac, your ravings are very heavily censored.

You can't even call people "pedos" on here anymore - what has this place become? ? ? 

[Eamonnca1]

Interesting result from the Alaska House of Representative election to fill a vacant seat.
They used a PR system, definitely far more fair than First Past the Post, which is used in the UK and I had thought was always used in the US.
Only 3 candidates in this vote, so relatively simple:

First Count:
Peltola DEM 76k
Palin REP 59k
Begich REP 53k
(Republicans with approx 60% of the first choice votes)

Begich eliminated and his votes transferred as follows:
Peltola 15k
Palin 27k
Non-transferrable 11k

Final result
Peltola 91k
Palin 86k

In my experience, many real life Republicans (unlike the ones on social media and on here) are mortified with Trump's antics and the backing he gets from GOP. Completely embarrassed about the lies spewed about the election, FBI, etc., etc.
I think this is shown by the number who gave their second choice to the Democrat candidate here rather than the Trump candidate (35% of those who transferred, did so to the Democrat).

Did the Rethuglicans run too many candidates? Could be a sign of unfamiliarity with the PR system. Whatever was the cause, I'll take it!

[J70]

Interesting result from the Alaska House of Representative election to fill a vacant seat.
They used a PR system, definitely far more fair than First Past the Post, which is used in the UK and I had thought was always used in the US.
Only 3 candidates in this vote, so relatively simple:

First Count:
Peltola DEM 76k
Palin REP 59k
Begich REP 53k
(Republicans with approx 60% of the first choice votes)

Begich eliminated and his votes transferred as follows:
Peltola 15k
Palin 27k
Non-transferrable 11k

Final result
Peltola 91k
Palin 86k

In my experience, many real life Republicans (unlike the ones on social media and on here) are mortified with Trump's antics and the backing he gets from GOP. Completely embarrassed about the lies spewed about the election, FBI, etc., etc.
I think this is shown by the number who gave their second choice to the Democrat candidate here rather than the Trump candidate (35% of those who transferred, did so to the Democrat).

And of course Palin was whining about the ranked choice system and how it robbed her and conservatives of victory. Nothing to do with her own toxicity and pure laziness.

NYC used ranked choice last year in the mayoral elections. Hope it becomes far more widespread. We ended up with a moderate, mainstream mayor. Definitely a good way to filter out the headcases and extremists, of whatever leaning.

[whitey]

Interesting result from the Alaska House of Representative election to fill a vacant seat.
They used a PR system, definitely far more fair than First Past the Post, which is used in the UK and I had thought was always used in the US.
Only 3 candidates in this vote, so relatively simple:

First Count:
Peltola DEM 76k
Palin REP 59k
Begich REP 53k
(Republicans with approx 60% of the first choice votes)

Begich eliminated and his votes transferred as follows:
Peltola 15k
Palin 27k
Non-transferrable 11k

Final result
Peltola 91k
Palin 86k

In my experience, many real life Republicans (unlike the ones on social media and on here) are mortified with Trump's antics and the backing he gets from GOP. Completely embarrassed about the lies spewed about the election, FBI, etc., etc.
I think this is shown by the number who gave their second choice to the Democrat candidate here rather than the Trump candidate (35% of those who transferred, did so to the Democrat).

And of course Palin was whining about the ranked choice system and how it robbed her and conservatives of victory. Nothing to do with her own toxicity and pure laziness.

NYC used ranked choice last year in the mayoral elections. Hope it becomes far more widespread. We ended up with a moderate, mainstream mayor. Definitely a good way to filter out the headcases and extremists, of whatever leaning.

I'm guessing if she had gotten elected she would have been completely useless and have spent more time on Fox News than actually doing her job. The voters probably knew that and that's why she did so poorly on the transfers

Hopefully the lady who won, realizes neither she nor her party were the first choice of 60% of the voters and legislates appropriately

[J70]

Well she's straight back into election mode with only two months until the seat's up for grabs again. I doubt if we'll see too much legislation anyway in that time.

Hopefully Alaska keeps its head and puts an end to Palin once and for all. They have another GOP option if that's what they favour.

Peltola ran on stuff like fisheries, infrastructure, wages etc. Whereas all Palin has to offer is MAGAt bullshit.

[Gmac]

75m people are a threat to democracy ?

[Gabriel_Hurl]

[Eamonnca1]

Tell me you voted for Trump without telling me you voted for Trump

[Gmac]

White House staff need to do a better job reminding joe who the enemies of the state are, he forgot already .

[whitey]

I was away over the weekend and heard an interesting story

A girl who used to be in my sons class has come out as a lesbian

She is in a lesbian relationship with a biological male who is trans and identifies as a female

Doesn't bother or upset me in the least, but I wonder how the heck people are supposed to keep all this stuff straight (no pun intended) when it comes to the use of pronouns etc

Where do you live , ? Your son goes to the ""Jerry Springer school"" ? Personally  i dont know or never have known any trans gender person . I am sure In my chance meeting of one , the pronoun will be something we can get past quiet easily , even if i get it wrong , I dont see it as being that big of deal . I   think on the large scheme of things, it is way way down the list and it is only a few ""bigots"" that would be putting any thought into this . Now of course that is just my opinion 

I'm in Massachusetts and my sons go to school with the kids of middle class and upper middle class white liberals for the most part

They're in high school now, but from a class of about 30 in junior High-there are 3 transgender people-1 girl is now a boy and 2 boys are now girls (all 3 are kids of teachers)

Now maybe they are genuinely transgender or non binary, but a lot of this is flat out attention seeking IMHO which just takes attention and resources away from genuinely transgender people

(Edit-do you live in the States? There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone. This is actually something you have to deal with daily believe it or not. One of our neighbors sons is also transgender so you have to tread very carefully when asking about him/her))

"There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone"

Really?

Where?

What does "dead name" mean?

CA passed a law that was struck down in court-actually you could get jail time under that law

https://www.them.us/story/california-court-case-misgendering-law-struck-down/amp

Another similar case in WI:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/will-defending-middle-schoolers-accused-of-misgendering-in-kiel-schools/article_72e6d6f8-d5e0-11ec-bd7a-33787320731a.amp.html

Deadnaming is when you continue to call someone by their old name (eg John transitions to Joan yet you continue to call them John)

Ok.

Yes, I can obviously see the first amendment issues.

Doesn't mean that the dignity of trans people should not be respected or that someone who would intentionally and repeatedly maliciously "deadname" someone isn't an ignorant p***k.

Agree-but would it be something you'd  jail a person for?

Its depends on the severity.

In most cases, obviously no (which doesn't mean I wouldn't give someone who worked for me the boot for such behaviour if its was on a malicious basis).

In the more severe cases you'd probably be crossing the lines into other criminal areas anyway. But, we already have similar when hate crime offenses are added onto other violence or harassment.

Its a novel issue and one society is grappling with.  I certainly don't have well thought through answers.

https://dupagepolicyjournal.com/stories/630700500-naperville-third-grade-teacher-instructs-eight-year-old-boys-in-how-to-act-like-girls

"Naperville third grade teacher Nick Cosme paints his nails like a woman does— and is teaching eight-year-old boys in his Elmwood School class how to do the same."

This is the type of nonsense that led to Younkin getting elected.

This guy obviously has an agenda that he's pushing on 8 year old boys and the parents who speak up against it are labeled as fascists and Nazis

[Main Street]

I was away over the weekend and heard an interesting story

A girl who used to be in my sons class has come out as a lesbian

She is in a lesbian relationship with a biological male who is trans and identifies as a female

Doesn't bother or upset me in the least, but I wonder how the heck people are supposed to keep all this stuff straight (no pun intended) when it comes to the use of pronouns etc

Where do you live , ? Your son goes to the ""Jerry Springer school"" ? Personally  i dont know or never have known any trans gender person . I am sure In my chance meeting of one , the pronoun will be something we can get past quiet easily , even if i get it wrong , I dont see it as being that big of deal . I   think on the large scheme of things, it is way way down the list and it is only a few ""bigots"" that would be putting any thought into this . Now of course that is just my opinion 

I'm in Massachusetts and my sons go to school with the kids of middle class and upper middle class white liberals for the most part

They're in high school now, but from a class of about 30 in junior High-there are 3 transgender people-1 girl is now a boy and 2 boys are now girls (all 3 are kids of teachers)

Now maybe they are genuinely transgender or non binary, but a lot of this is flat out attention seeking IMHO which just takes attention and resources away from genuinely transgender people

(Edit-do you live in the States? There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone. This is actually something you have to deal with daily believe it or not. One of our neighbors sons is also transgender so you have to tread very carefully when asking about him/her))

"There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone"

Really?

Where?

What does "dead name" mean?

CA passed a law that was struck down in court-actually you could get jail time under that law

https://www.them.us/story/california-court-case-misgendering-law-struck-down/amp

Another similar case in WI:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/will-defending-middle-schoolers-accused-of-misgendering-in-kiel-schools/article_72e6d6f8-d5e0-11ec-bd7a-33787320731a.amp.html

Deadnaming is when you continue to call someone by their old name (eg John transitions to Joan yet you continue to call them John)

Ok.

Yes, I can obviously see the first amendment issues.

Doesn't mean that the dignity of trans people should not be respected or that someone who would intentionally and repeatedly maliciously "deadname" someone isn't an ignorant p***k.

Agree-but would it be something you'd  jail a person for?

Its depends on the severity.

In most cases, obviously no (which doesn't mean I wouldn't give someone who worked for me the boot for such behaviour if its was on a malicious basis).

In the more severe cases you'd probably be crossing the lines into other criminal areas anyway. But, we already have similar when hate crime offenses are added onto other violence or harassment.

Its a novel issue and one society is grappling with.  I certainly don't have well thought through answers.

https://dupagepolicyjournal.com/stories/630700500-naperville-third-grade-teacher-instructs-eight-year-old-boys-in-how-to-act-like-girls

"Naperville third grade teacher Nick Cosme paints his nails like a woman does— and is teaching eight-year-old boys in his Elmwood School class how to do the same."

This is the type of nonsense that led to Younkin getting elected.

This guy obviously has an agenda that he's pushing on 8 year old boys and the parents who speak up against it are labeled as fascists and Nazis

I didn't read in the article that you and like minded victimised people are fascist and nazi,  but I wouldn't argue against the labeling
For those of the reactionary ilk, emotion does a great job in filling in the spaces that lack of rationality allows.

[whitey]

I was away over the weekend and heard an interesting story

A girl who used to be in my sons class has come out as a lesbian

She is in a lesbian relationship with a biological male who is trans and identifies as a female

Doesn't bother or upset me in the least, but I wonder how the heck people are supposed to keep all this stuff straight (no pun intended) when it comes to the use of pronouns etc

Where do you live , ? Your son goes to the ""Jerry Springer school"" ? Personally  i dont know or never have known any trans gender person . I am sure In my chance meeting of one , the pronoun will be something we can get past quiet easily , even if i get it wrong , I dont see it as being that big of deal . I   think on the large scheme of things, it is way way down the list and it is only a few ""bigots"" that would be putting any thought into this . Now of course that is just my opinion 

I'm in Massachusetts and my sons go to school with the kids of middle class and upper middle class white liberals for the most part

They're in high school now, but from a class of about 30 in junior High-there are 3 transgender people-1 girl is now a boy and 2 boys are now girls (all 3 are kids of teachers)

Now maybe they are genuinely transgender or non binary, but a lot of this is flat out attention seeking IMHO which just takes attention and resources away from genuinely transgender people

(Edit-do you live in the States? There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone. This is actually something you have to deal with daily believe it or not. One of our neighbors sons is also transgender so you have to tread very carefully when asking about him/her))

"There are laws being proposed that would make it a crime to mis gender or dead name someone"

Really?

Where?

What does "dead name" mean?

CA passed a law that was struck down in court-actually you could get jail time under that law

https://www.them.us/story/california-court-case-misgendering-law-struck-down/amp

Another similar case in WI:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/will-defending-middle-schoolers-accused-of-misgendering-in-kiel-schools/article_72e6d6f8-d5e0-11ec-bd7a-33787320731a.amp.html

Deadnaming is when you continue to call someone by their old name (eg John transitions to Joan yet you continue to call them John)

Ok.

Yes, I can obviously see the first amendment issues.

Doesn't mean that the dignity of trans people should not be respected or that someone who would intentionally and repeatedly maliciously "deadname" someone isn't an ignorant p***k.

Agree-but would it be something you'd  jail a person for?

Its depends on the severity.

In most cases, obviously no (which doesn't mean I wouldn't give someone who worked for me the boot for such behaviour if its was on a malicious basis).

In the more severe cases you'd probably be crossing the lines into other criminal areas anyway. But, we already have similar when hate crime offenses are added onto other violence or harassment.

Its a novel issue and one society is grappling with.  I certainly don't have well thought through answers.

https://dupagepolicyjournal.com/stories/630700500-naperville-third-grade-teacher-instructs-eight-year-old-boys-in-how-to-act-like-girls

"Naperville third grade teacher Nick Cosme paints his nails like a woman does— and is teaching eight-year-old boys in his Elmwood School class how to do the same."

This is the type of nonsense that led to Younkin getting elected.

This guy obviously has an agenda that he's pushing on 8 year old boys and the parents who speak up against it are labeled as fascists and Nazis

I didn't read in the article that you and like minded victimised people are fascist and nazi,  but I wouldn't argue against the labeling
For those of the reactionary ilk, emotion does a great job in filling in the spaces that lack of rationality allows.

So having an issue with a teacher pushing a trans agenda on 8 year olds makes one a Nazi?

Interesting

[J70]

When the teacher is question, who is preaching inclusiveness and that differences are ok, is publicly accused of "grooming" children, absolutely there are fascist tendencies at play. This is far from the only example.

Do you have any issues with the whitewashing of history curriculums being driven by the likes of Hillsdale College through their partnerships with the governors of various states, not least DeSantis?

Washington and Jefferson were "against slavery" supposedly according to these accounts, but the fact that both were substantial slave owners is not mentioned. Separation of church and state, a central plank of the US for centuries, is suddenly not a founding principle of the US anymore.

And sure if we're throwing out anecdotes (Florida again)...

https://www.bradenton.com/news/local/article265186566.html

[whitey]

When the teacher is question, who is preaching inclusiveness and that differences are ok, is publicly accused of "grooming" children, absolutely there are fascist tendencies at play. This is far from the only example.

Do you have any issues with the whitewashing of history curriculums being driven by the likes of Hillsdale College through their partnerships with the governors of various states, not least DeSantis?

Washington and Jefferson were "against slavery" supposedly according to these accounts, but the fact that both were substantial slave owners is not mentioned. Separation of church and state, a central plank of the US for centuries, is suddenly not a founding principle of the US anymore.

And sure if we're throwing out anecdotes (Florida again)...

https://www.bradenton.com/news/local/article265186566.html

So you don't have an issue with this teacher pushing a trans agenda on 8 year olds?

So if you are a parent (who's paying this teachers salary and benefits) who takes issue with this-they should just STFU

[J70]

When the teacher is question, who is preaching inclusiveness and that differences are ok, is publicly accused of "grooming" children, absolutely there are fascist tendencies at play. This is far from the only example.

Do you have any issues with the whitewashing of history curriculums being driven by the likes of Hillsdale College through their partnerships with the governors of various states, not least DeSantis?

Washington and Jefferson were "against slavery" supposedly according to these accounts, but the fact that both were substantial slave owners is not mentioned. Separation of church and state, a central plank of the US for centuries, is suddenly not a founding principle of the US anymore.

And sure if we're throwing out anecdotes (Florida again)...

https://www.bradenton.com/news/local/article265186566.html

So you don't have an issue with this teacher pushing a trans agenda on 8 year olds?

So if you are a parent (who's paying this teachers salary and benefits) who takes issue with this-they should just STFU

Don't really see the harm, if it amounts to talking about it being ok for a boy to paint their nails, a story about a man who wears a dress, and pronouns. There is nothing wrong with making kids aware that some people are different, and that that is ok to be so. Especially before they hit those years when every difference becomes material for bullying and abuse.

There is a big difference between raising concerns and calling in concerted, well-funded, over-reactive politically-connected slander and termination.