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Wexford should have taken out Cork last year.

nice to see the standard of the hurling debate in this place is as high as ever
Stick to the football like a good lad.

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That may be so TBT, but why did the two player reps on the selection panel, Donal Og and one other, decide to abstain from the vote in that case?

Given how hard they fought for representation on that process, it seems a waste to abstain. And if Donal Og is behind McCarthy, why not vote for him?

Perhaps the two reps are simply that, reps, and must vote according to their instruction from the panel at large, but does this mean that the panel are split, and majority doesn't rule (i.e. Abstain), or did Donal disagree with what the panel told him to do.

It seems an awful waste to abstain from such a vote.

It has been made public why they didn't vote. The fact that you are willing to make comments on something you know next to nothing about does seem very odd.

Anonymous discussion forums such as this truely are the lowest form of discourse. The gobsh1tes dissing Donal Cusack are blissfully unaware that he is one of only two players that wants McCarthy to remain on in his position. Don't let something as trivial as the facts get in the way of such illuminating and noteworthy discussion.

[Westmeath have done really well getting two All-Stars considering they didn't reach the quarter-finals or even a provincial final.]

Delighted for the two Westmeath lads, particularly Gary who suffered dogs abuse from a section of the Dubs fans over the 4 games.

Westmeath have done really well getting two All-Stars considering they didn't reach the quarter-finals or even a provincial final.

considering Wexfords position its doesn't make any sense at all...or even derry who won the national league

Wexford weren't the only side to get to an All Ire semi final to be overlooked.The Ryan selection would be utterly bizarre if he wasn't from Dublin.

Entertaining game. As a neutral, I thought the ref was absolutely pathetic. He missed two Mayo penalties and gave a series of bizarre scorable frees against Tyrone for the majority of the game. If Tyrone would have lost they would have serious questions asked.

Tompkins was treated like dogsh1t by the Kildare CB at the time

It was about the money with Larry, he didn't move to Cork for the good of his health. Fahy was in the army and was stationed in Kildare, he could have played his county football with Kildare like many guys working in Dublin from the country have often done.

Cork would want to be winning this one rather handily if they have any notions of beating Kerry in the semi.

People aren't learning very well, expect another low scoring affair, Cork do not have the forwards to rack up a big score in Croke Park.

Tompkins came to Cork for work end of story. If you think the CCB paid him a penny or the Castlehaven crew had money to be throwing around you are deluded. Kildare cb wouldnt pay for a flight home from America at the timeand threated him like dirt. Fahy was stationed in Cork City playing with Nemo Rangers. Cork have more than enough firepower to beat Kildare. Wether they play up to there ability is a completely different matter as they are hopelessly inconsisent.

Kildare owe Cork big time for stealing their best players over the years.

Ya Frank Murphy spent months riding around in the back of a Hiace van in Kildare with blacked out windows with a giant butterfly net waiting to capture Tompkins and Fahy.
Tompkins was treated like dogsh1t by the Kildare CB at the time. Dont know the background in Fahy's case other than he was lving and working and playing football in Cork city at the time.

Cork would want to be winning this one rather handily if they have any notions of beating Kerry in the semi.

you'd have to pity Ross Carr, he done a hell of a job to get such  a limited side so far. Down are a division 4 side in terms of talent and ability.

What annoys me is people are saying this Cork team is done. Which is bull, they're looking for the easy way out because what I saw last night was just 15 guys who didn't look at all comfortable playing the game they were playing. 15 guys who had plenty left in them, just not sure where they were going or what game plan they were using. This Cork team is a lot better then what we saw out there against Dublin. A Cork team that could and can beat an untested Galway, if we get the team right, if they click, it's more then doable.

We can't seem to get the team to click, there were some good individual performances from a few but in general, we just couldn't get going against Dublin. To be honest I saw it coming, I thought we wouldn't trash Dublin and we didn't, and not because we were at the end, but because I felt like they'd be a stumbling box, they were always going to make it hard and I knew we had to get rid of one of those games from our system. We had so many more gears that if we needed to we could have pulled out and should have really, just for the fans comfort if not they're own. The problems were more to do with the teams attitude then the game itself. They didn't seem bothered at times. It's easy to blame it on the players, "at the end of the road" but that's bull.

We lost to Tipp because of pure stupidity and unfitness from Corks part. Not because ours weren't up to it, we had 7 points on Tipp, we looked comfortable and we were playing better then them, but at the end of the first half the legs went and we conceded a goal. The same thing happened at the end of the second half, our legs went and we ended up loosing. Take nothing away from Tipp, they deserved to win, but they didn't outclass us, they didn't really do anything amazing. It was, on our part, just plain stupidity from our selectors and manager, who I don't think is up to it to be honest. Unfitness as well is a problem, which isn't too surprising seeing as this is the worst prepared Cork team sine 02, and our forwards not clicking.

I don't know who to play against Galway, I don't know who our best 15 are, I don't even think the management knows. The Cork team isn't over the hill, despite what some people would like to believe, it's stale and it needs an injection of youth, that we have, to give it some inspiration and fire to give it a lift, and a bit of fight. But the question is will they gamble and play the young lads against Galway, and I'm not talking about all kids up front, but Horgan, Naughton, maybe Paudie O Sullivan. Just a mixture of youth and experience and pray to God it works.

If there's one thing that this Cork team hates or loves, it depends what way you look at it, is to be written off, but they'll go into the Galway game, with all guns blazing, as underdogs, just the way they like it and hopefully we'll beat Galway.

I think when a player who is instructed by the manager to make a switch tells the manager to go fcuk himself, when other players turn their backs and ignore instructions from  the line, when a blood sub has to be told repeatedly to get off the bench and onto the field its fair to say that this Cork team is most certainly done. The pity is that there is a handy All Ire to be won and a Cork side firing on all cylinders would have been in with a good shout.

Could some of the people who think all this AFL stuff will lead to some kind of doomsday scenario in the GAA just give me an idea of what the ACTUAL effect of this will be? Lets jump 5 years into the future. Every year we lose the 20 best minors in the country. What tangible effect will this have on the game itself? For example, if Meath lost a good young player I'd be disappointed but I'd get over it pretty quickly. There will be young lads falling over themselves to take his place on the county team. Also, outstanding minors don't always make outstanding seniors as we all know.

A future without Dara O Se/Sean Cavanagh/Graham Canty/Ciaran Whelan types ect  all the top athletic football types. A significant decline in the standard of senior intercounty.

Man, that is pretty damning stuff on behalf of O'Neill, the mask has well and truely dropped. THis development is virtually forcing official semi-professional status on the GAA in order to prevent a drain of some of our best, or attract them back, from Australia, as well as gain some compensation for those that go.

I think O Neill is a side show in all this. It quite clear that the Aussies have notions of reaping and pilaging the GAA for all its worth. Did Nixon reveal this to Nickey Brennen I wonder?

Think there is a major over reaction here. Unless this year is something different there is only ever a handful of players this effects. There is talk of 20-25 young players going out, IMO this wont happen.

What everyone seems to be forgetting, is that there is a natural wastage anyway, always has been.

How many players has Soccer,Rugby etc "poached". Then there is the element that go onto further education and may stop playing gaelic games. Dont forget the Drink and the female species either.


In regards of providing coaching jobs. Thats a load of balls IMHO. Firstly it creates an elite element. ( I presume these jobs will only be offered to those about to be poached ).  It smacks of desperation. It also doesnt take account of people that want to persue different avenues in the career paths. Childminding and teaching/ coaching  doesnt rock everyones world !

Half of those that go will return with a  month or two anyway, homesick and missing mammys cooking. Probably half of the remainder will be scratched for not meeting the required level.

However they are amatuer players and should be afforded the oppurtunity to explore it, if they so desire !

the comparison with losing players to soccer /rugby is laughable. GAA players are not headhunted by soccer clubs because of their gaelic football ability.Given that each Aussie Rules side has 2 avalable places for overseas players per yr, and this may be increased according to Nixon,  figures of 20 per season going over are realistic giving the outlay by Nixon/Sholly ect. Nixon reckons they'll be a 50% success rate. Gaelic football losing the cream of its underage talent every yr cannot be anything but disasterous. Gaelic football without the likes of Cavanagh,Dara Shea,Ciaran Whelan,Graham Canty - basically those players who blend athleticism adn football ability- will be a far poorer place. Thats the future if this Aussie Rules tie in takes place.

i SEE Martin Cullen has dismissed this as a steaming pile of horse sh1te. Breheny is an embarrassment to his profession.

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