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People voted that N Ireland's constitutional status can only be changed by the majority consent of its people.That confirmed the acceptance of British Rule in the North,and in fact changed nothing,as this was the principle in play while the killings were going on.

As I said before it is akin to the British succumbing to Nazism in 1945 simply to save lives.

Maybe the Brits would have voted in overwhelming numbers to succumb to Nazism after 25 years of a brutal war.

Obviously the Maria Cahill and other similar cover ups have been airbrushed from SF lackeydom.

Dissident Republican Mairia Cahill is it?

I had a look through the Paddy Power odds a week after AZ had done the same exercise.


He came up with the following:

Fine Gael   60.5 (55.5) (including Sean Barrett , the CC)
Fianna Fail   36 (38)
Sinn Fein   23.5 (26.5)
Independents   16
Labour   10
AAA/PAP   4.5 (5.5)
SD   3
Renua   2.5
ULA   1
Green   1 (0)

The odds have changed in a good few constituencies and my adjusted figures are in brackets beside AZ's original ones.

So basically FG losses picked up by SF and FF. Interesting.

It's the bookies though, so surely changing based on the money being placed? Otherwise how / why is the SF price going in the opposite direction to the polls?

Local polls are tipping them to have very good shouts in seats they weren't expected to have much of a chance in. I'd expect them to crack 30.

Fine Gael.

Think Fianna Fáil ruined the country with a property bubble as plain as the nose on your face.
Independents have some nice ideas but they'll hold no power and only lead to a more fractured dail.
Labour are useless, I personally hate Eamon Gilmore and his ilk.
Sinn Fein are plowing the same populist shite Fianna Fáil sold the south, cut your tax, fix the hse, no water charges, no property tax, golden roads for all etc. Oh and we'll not go to government with any party so we can make all the f**king promises we Like and never have to keep them.

Exclude Enda for a moment and there's a solid bunch of people around that top table at fg now that shatter and Reilly are ousted. Noonan, Coveney, Fitzgerald and Varadkar are all reasonably sound politicians, in the grand sample of Irish politicians it's about  as good as you'd get. And look at the international alternatives, you could be voting for the likes of Cameron, trump, Jeb bush, hilary, merkel, osbourne, Nesbit, foster, abbot or tspras. None of whom or their parties I'd vote for in a fit.

In the ideal world we'd be ruled by a cabinet of jfk, John Hume, Tony Ryan and Gandhi. That's not reality though and you take the best of what you can get.

Noonan a sound politician?

The guy is mired in corruption, incompetence, arrogance and cronyism.

What planet are you living on and how sheltered are you to his past.

Leader of Fine Gael when they evaded tax for 9 years.
Point blank refused to investigate child sex abuse allegations.
The Hep C scandal.

He is a heinous individual.

Gassed the syrians too.

You think a chap who has had scandals follow him around like a bad smell in every senior political position he has held is a sound politician. Throughout his career he has shown nothing but contempt for the Irish people.

Like Gerry Adams?

Gerry Adams has put his life on the line to look after the civil liberties of his people.

What has Michael Noonan ever sacrificed?

When it comes to integrity, Adams has plenty of it and Noonan has none.

Was talking to a dyed-in-the-wool FF person today - he is genuinely astounded that FG are in trouble.  He thinks Kenny has done a decent job, given what he was handed after the last election.  He thinks a FG/FF coalition would be a disaster for both parties.  He thinks there will be another election later in the year.

People forget quickly just what a mess there was or else they cod themselves that there was some easy way to sort this. In football terms FG did the hard work, scored some great points from hard angles, but have put the game in danger by dropping the ball unnecessarily and some pointless fouls.

Yes FG did the hard work of burdening the working man in order to protect the wealth of influential individuals and increasing DOB's portfolio valuation.

"Sound Politician" Michael Noonan.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/02/24/grace-noonan-and-monageer/

Fine Gael.

Think Fianna Fáil ruined the country with a property bubble as plain as the nose on your face.
Independents have some nice ideas but they'll hold no power and only lead to a more fractured dail.
Labour are useless, I personally hate Eamon Gilmore and his ilk.
Sinn Fein are plowing the same populist shite Fianna Fáil sold the south, cut your tax, fix the hse, no water charges, no property tax, golden roads for all etc. Oh and we'll not go to government with any party so we can make all the f**king promises we Like and never have to keep them.

Exclude Enda for a moment and there's a solid bunch of people around that top table at fg now that shatter and Reilly are ousted. Noonan, Coveney, Fitzgerald and Varadkar are all reasonably sound politicians, in the grand sample of Irish politicians it's about  as good as you'd get. And look at the international alternatives, you could be voting for the likes of Cameron, trump, Jeb bush, hilary, merkel, osbourne, Nesbit, foster, abbot or tspras. None of whom or their parties I'd vote for in a fit.

In the ideal world we'd be ruled by a cabinet of jfk, John Hume, Tony Ryan and Gandhi. That's not reality though and you take the best of what you can get.

Noonan a sound politician?

The guy is mired in corruption, incompetence, arrogance and cronyism.

What planet are you living on and how sheltered are you to his past.

Leader of Fine Gael when they evaded tax for 9 years.
Point blank refused to investigate child sex abuse allegations.
The Hep C scandal.

He is a heinous individual.

Gassed the syrians too.

You think a chap who has had scandals follow him around like a bad smell in every senior political position he has held is a sound politician. Throughout his career he has shown nothing but contempt for the Irish people.

Fine Gael.

Think Fianna Fáil ruined the country with a property bubble as plain as the nose on your face.
Independents have some nice ideas but they'll hold no power and only lead to a more fractured dail.
Labour are useless, I personally hate Eamon Gilmore and his ilk.
Sinn Fein are plowing the same populist shite Fianna Fáil sold the south, cut your tax, fix the hse, no water charges, no property tax, golden roads for all etc. Oh and we'll not go to government with any party so we can make all the f**king promises we Like and never have to keep them.

Exclude Enda for a moment and there's a solid bunch of people around that top table at fg now that shatter and Reilly are ousted. Noonan, Coveney, Fitzgerald and Varadkar are all reasonably sound politicians, in the grand sample of Irish politicians it's about  as good as you'd get. And look at the international alternatives, you could be voting for the likes of Cameron, trump, Jeb bush, hilary, merkel, osbourne, Nesbit, foster, abbot or tspras. None of whom or their parties I'd vote for in a fit.

In the ideal world we'd be ruled by a cabinet of jfk, John Hume, Tony Ryan and Gandhi. That's not reality though and you take the best of what you can get.

Noonan a sound politician?

The guy is mired in corruption, incompetence, arrogance and cronyism.

What planet are you living on and how sheltered are you to his past.

Leader of Fine Gael when they evaded tax for 9 years.
Point blank refused to investigate child sex abuse allegations.
The Hep C scandal.

He is a heinous individual.

You can advocate a particular type of tax and vote for a party you agree with. If your party doesn't win then you get something different, that is called democracy. Not paying is simple freeloading.

Was the civil rights movement freeloaders as they kicked off over the allocation of social housing?

Did you oppose the civil rights movement?

What an immature comment. I'd say you weren't around when there was a civil rights movements.
The civil rights movement was not about a refusal to pay for services, it was a noble movement not one of freeloaders.

That's a very immature comment, so people should accept indirect taxes which are not in anyway fair or progressive when the low income workers and underprivileged in Irish society are already being discriminated by penal taxes and living costs by the government. There seems to be an awful lot of hardship in the free state at the minute with homelessness and healthcare. Calling them freeloaders is Tatcheresque?

There is a choice between progressive taxes based on income and wealth, where the burden is scaled on the more you earn the more you contribute and there is a choice that you can place taxes on those who are struggling to mate ends meet for the benefit of those who can afford to pay.

You're a right little Tory, aren't you?

Why was he out of line asking her about her salary? She's a state employee who is tasked with a job of moderating a debate so reasons for perceived bias should be disclosed. She was completely out of line in what she said about Danny Morrison though.

The question was not biased.
If she had asked about abortion would she have been asked if she had an abortion?
If she had asked about homelessness would she have been asked if she was homeless.?

She's a state employee tasked with moderating a debate. She had a vested interest in her line of questioning which Adam's wanted disclosed. You have an issue with this, for a bizarre reason.

What was her vested interest? That her or one of her 40 children might end up in a public hospital with shite doctors because all the good ones had left the country because Sf thought they were too rich?

That she is one of the high earners who would be impacted by these taxes. That's a smoking gun of a vested interest that hadn't been disclosed.

Why was he out of line asking her about her salary? She's a state employee who is tasked with a job of moderating a debate so reasons for perceived bias should be disclosed. She was completely out of line in what she said about Danny Morrison though.

The question was not biased.
If she had asked about abortion would she have been asked if she had an abortion?
If she had asked about homelessness would she have been asked if she was homeless.?

She's a state employee tasked with moderating a debate. She had a vested interest in her line of questioning which Adam's wanted disclosed. You have an issue with this, for a bizarre reason.

Adams won that hands down.

Kenny exposed on cronyism.  Adams nailed him on it.

Martin had a meltdown when Celia Larkin was mentioned and didn't know what to say - nailed on cronyism.

Thought Adams completely bossed it on the housing situation, pointing out the government's role in NAMA. Not only did Adams destroy the 3 other leaders, he utterly destroyed Miriam O'Callaghan on her salary and her fabrications.

O'Callaghan asked a reasonable question as to whether an existing shortage of doctors would be aggravated by SF policies, Adams made a reasonable point about morale in the health service,  but he was completely out of line asking O'Callaghan about her salary as this had nothing to do  with the question.

It is a reasonable question to ask of SF to say that they will put money in the health service, but their doctrinaire bullshit will mean that to see a half competent doctor that you'll have to go private in any case.

Why was he out of line asking her about her salary? She's a state employee who is tasked with a job of moderating a debate so reasons for perceived bias should be disclosed. She was completely out of line in what she said about Danny Morrison though.

The AAA/PBP and SF are not fit to be in the government of an independent country. Their carry on in relation to water charges makes them so. They can propose not charging for water if they wish, although their reasons for doing so are self serving. But their calling on people not to pay and offering an amnesty for these evaders if they get elected puts them outside the pale. For opposition parties to propose amnesties for their supporters as a means of getting elected undermines the State. If these parties were in power they would be incandescent if FF or FG said to their supporters "ignore this tax or charge, we'll sort you when we get back".

Did you oppose the civil rights movement?

Excluding SF it would have to be AAA/PBP and then the Social Democrats.

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I would put a bullet in my head before voting for the blueshirts, who are pure evil. Any blueshirt voter I've ever encountered has been a vile piece of work.