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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 29, 2017, 05:07:28 PM »
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter

You should ask Mr Moran if Cathal is any good. Cathal is our best defender weather you like it or not. It's a good job most of you boys arnt involved in football, or maybe use should step up to the mark seeing use are all full of yourselves ;)

Yes and was caught for the goal too. Not going well. Mickey will keep picking him though

McCarron is a good defender but he was dreadful on Sunday and probably should been hooked or at least changed man earlier, Moran won pretty much every ball out in front of him.

His form is a cause for concern at the minute but he seems to go well during the summer so hopefully he just needs the ground to firm up.

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General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 29, 2017, 05:00:14 PM »
The likes of Paisley and Mc Guinness probably regretted much of their earlier lives,when they reached the top of the greasy pole together.But this society is littered with "reformed" characters who either deny or minimalise their past.I know a guy who is a pastor in an evangelical church who was very strongly rumoured to be heavily involved in the sectarian slaughter of two young girls and a customer in a mobile shop 25 years ago,but refuses to go to the Police.
Paisley never murdered anyone. Pretty sure Martin did. Like it or not, that is a significant difference.  You cannot discount the heinous atrocities highlighted in Ed Moloney's article.

Paisley incited a lot though and as far as many are concerned has a lot of blood on his hands too. You may not think it is the same but many do - myself included.
So does that make it okay then?  I'm no fan of Paisley myself and respect McGuiness for successfully delivering peace, but the collective air brushing of history on here regarding the incidents in Moloney's article is the elephant in the room.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass, de Valera?
Pretty sure none stooped as low as the proxy bomb.

That didn't answer my question.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass and de Valera?
This thread is about Martin McGuiness - What do you think of his likely involvement in some of the murders highlihted in Moloney's article?

Suspected as you say. I'm wise enough to know war blurs lines, there is no defending some of the actions carried out by the Provos but every war or conflict will have these incidents across all sides. Martin McGuinness was an ordinary man who did extraordinary things due to the discrimination and state sponsored terrorism that was taking place in his own community. If you can't take that on board then there's no point discussing matters with you.

Now for the third time of asking.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass and de Valera?

For some reason it seems you are having difficulty applying your moral affliction to other parties, maybe because your ideals are not as pure as you'd like paint.

For what it's worth, Collins was one of the leading IRA men when 13 Protestant civilians were murdered in his home county of Cork over a short period of time. What do you think of Collins? A civilian informant was also murdered by Collins hit squad. What did you think of Collins?
Your comment re "Suspected as you say" speaks volumes.  The dogs in the street have a fair idea about what MMcG was involved in.  As such, you cannot claim there is "no point in discussing matters with you" if you are not going to accept his involvement.

As for your question, I would not condone any act of terrorism.  Not trying to provoke a response, but there is no excuse for the sectarian murder of fellow Protestant Irishmen or "suspected" informants.

So getting back to my original question.

What did you think of Collins, de Valera and Lemass?

You are quite happy to judge McGuinness on idle speculation and convenience but unwilling to comment on others with similar proximity and possible complicity to that you slate McGuinnes for. Why is that?
Can you not read?

I haven't seen you say what you think of Lemass, Collins and de Valera?

I won't be accepting catch all statements on this either.

So what did you think of them?

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General discussion / Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« on: March 28, 2017, 09:49:27 PM »
The likes of Paisley and Mc Guinness probably regretted much of their earlier lives,when they reached the top of the greasy pole together.But this society is littered with "reformed" characters who either deny or minimalise their past.I know a guy who is a pastor in an evangelical church who was very strongly rumoured to be heavily involved in the sectarian slaughter of two young girls and a customer in a mobile shop 25 years ago,but refuses to go to the Police.
Paisley never murdered anyone. Pretty sure Martin did. Like it or not, that is a significant difference.  You cannot discount the heinous atrocities highlighted in Ed Moloney's article.

Paisley incited a lot though and as far as many are concerned has a lot of blood on his hands too. You may not think it is the same but many do - myself included.
So does that make it okay then?  I'm no fan of Paisley myself and respect McGuiness for successfully delivering peace, but the collective air brushing of history on here regarding the incidents in Moloney's article is the elephant in the room.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass, de Valera?
Pretty sure none stooped as low as the proxy bomb.

That didn't answer my question.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass and de Valera?
This thread is about Martin McGuiness - What do you think of his likely involvement in some of the murders highlihted in Moloney's article?

Suspected as you say. I'm wise enough to know war blurs lines, there is no defending some of the actions carried out by the Provos but every war or conflict will have these incidents across all sides. Martin McGuinness was an ordinary man who did extraordinary things due to the discrimination and state sponsored terrorism that was taking place in his own community. If you can't take that on board then there's no point discussing matters with you.

Now for the third time of asking.

What did you think of Collins, Lemass and de Valera?

For some reason it seems you are having difficulty applying your moral affliction to other parties, maybe because your ideals are not as pure as you'd like paint.

For what it's worth, Collins was one of the leading IRA men when 13 Protestant civilians were murdered in his home county of Cork over a short period of time. What do you think of Collins? A civilian informant was also murdered by Collins hit squad. What did you think of Collins?
Your comment re "Suspected as you say" speaks volumes.  The dogs in the street have a fair idea about what MMcG was involved in.  As such, you cannot claim there is "no point in discussing matters with you" if you are not going to accept his involvement.

As for your question, I would not condone any act of terrorism.  Not trying to provoke a response, but there is no excuse for the sectarian murder of fellow Protestant Irishmen or "suspected" informants.

So getting back to my original question.

What did you think of Collins, de Valera and Lemass?

You are quite happy to judge McGuinness on idle speculation and convenience but unwilling to comment on others with similar proximity and possible complicity to that you slate McGuinnes for. Why is that?

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What is the major gripes Mayo fans have with Reilly's refereeing performance that day?

Obviously Enright should certainly have gone after about 20 minutes when he gave the penalty away and Donaghy got a few very soft frees but were there more major incidents he got wrong?

Obviously there are genuine grievances there but it wasn't the biggest shafting by a ref I've seen. Reilly also wouldn't be the first referee Kerry have played like a fiddle down the year, there's nothing even subtle in it but we're not allowed talk about it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: So what do ye think of the black card rule now?
« on: March 27, 2017, 05:43:08 PM »
Keegan's was a stonewall black card.

He dragged McNabb around by the hips and took him to the ground after he broke past him. Certain black card, just because he pulled his hands away when McNabb was falling doesn't come into it. Kirby's was justified as well. Donnelly certainly should have had a black card later on in the game.

Sludden's was an absolute joke, he slapped the ball and got black carded, it was harsh to award a foul nevermind a black card.

Conor Lane is a cretin though, I'm sure some of the Derry lads will remember the black card he issued to Brendan Rodgers in a Championship game in Salthill 2 years ago. Brian McIver packed it in on the basis of Lane's performance.

I don't feel done by Lane yesterday, he made bizarre calls all through the match against both sides but he really should not be allowed near a big game this summer.

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I don't think Cavanagh threw it in any case, he dropped it and batted it away with one hand.

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Nobody else called it on this thread, so maybe I'm wrong, but I would have blown for a free when Parsons shouldered Sean Cavanaugh at the end. Front-on rather than side-on. The ref seemed to take great glee in giving those two late frees against Tyrone for over-carrying!

I wouldnt have given Kirby black. Yellow for me. SeanC's funny dance on the ground afterwards was....funny.

Great winning point by McLoughlin.

That was pretty scary, with what I thought initially was just a glancing blow, did to Cillian.

I don't have too much issue with the challenge of Cavanagh although I think the ref was extremely quick to call him on travelling when he got rid of the ball almost as quick as he could.

Harte was about to pick it up 25 yards from goal with a bit of space.

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I am caught between two minds:

1. The regularity of days were we hit 12+ wides doesn't look like being solved at all and we'll never make an impression on the AI stage until that is fixed.

2. We are creating loads and loads of opportunities to score but aren't taking them. Some day we'll click against a top 3 side and blow them away.

Btw, Sludden was sorely missed in the 2nd half, he was the exact type of player we needed to take game by scruff of the neck. Petey Barre was poor (compared to his very high standards) and, worryingly, Matty Donnelly's form is all over the place.

Mattie is being shifted from pillar to post which won't help his form, he has won two All Stars in the past 2 years at midfield - let us leave him there. He's been named at midfield, centre half and full forward in the league already this year.

We just need to show a little more drive in those areas, fear was evident today and last year against Mayo in the last 10 minutes, players were afraid to drive at Mayo in the fear they would get turned over and hit on the break.

I agree on the chances part but we need show a little less fear and a bit more composure, better to have these things flaring up at this point of the season than in the summer. 

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I don't agree Bomber. I was at it & thought McCarron was Tyrone's best player. He was right with Moran every time & turned him over in the tackle 3 or 4 times.

Anyway, it's the other end of the field that's the problem. Would be nice to say that today's shooting was a one-off but it's happening too often now. Even if we had COC for frees alone we'd have won today. Same old shite on frees today - Morgan, Harte, McCurry all missing from easier positions than COC was scoring from.

So bloody frustrating

Look at the goal, McCarron is about 4 yards off him, this was the case time and time again particularly in the first half.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 26, 2017, 08:19:52 PM »
I notice Cathal McShane coming in for some criticism on here. Hard to know why a sub that gets 18 mins gets the blame today. However, it is far to say that he has been somewhat off the pace the last 2-3 games. Someone further back states they have yet to see him contribute for Tyrone. Well they obviously weren't at the Derry game last year, where he was in the top 2-3 performers, and the Cavan game in the Ulster SF (Can't mind which one) where he was Tyrone's MOTM.

However, I think the fella is being flogged to death and badly managed.

Cathal started the 2015 season early with the Tyrone U21s, and as we know Tyrone got an extended run, with Cathal MOTM in the final. He went straight from that into the Tyrone senior squad, coupled with our senior side. Owen Roes season ended on 22nd Nov 2015.
He got 2 weeks rest before he was back out with Tyrone seniors in the O Fiach Cup which was 13th December 2015. Two weeks rest!

The O'Fiach Cup final was 20th December 2015, and Cathal was out in January with Tyrone U21s and the senior side (Top scorer from play in the 2016 final) via the McKenna Cup. It was then into the NFL and back to Club football. Again our last game of 2016 was on 12th November.

Then it was straight to training with St Marys and getting ready for the McKenna/ Sigerson, not to mention being back with Tyrone and the O Fiach Cup on 11th Dec. January was McKenna Cup, National League, and Sigerson Cup. Then it'll be Tyrone ACL action 2 weeks today.

Bar all that I've no idea why he looks a bit off the pace and jaded.

He's a young lad and the fault lies more so with Harte for constantly picking him but he simply doesn't deserve his spot and constant chances given his performances at senior level.

His decision making is too erratic, takes daft shots on, runs in to traffic and plays with his head down. He's very frustrating, there was one case today where he just ran down the inside and hand pass the ball across the goal to David Clarke when there was nobody in the area. He's not developing, he looks every bit as raw and naive as he did two years ago when he joined the squad.

There's plenty of lads that play in his area of the pitch that should be worth a go, McShane has had enough chances now and he hasn't taken them. It's time to look at other options

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 26, 2017, 07:56:25 PM »
The last time I seen a Tyrone forward put in a performance of any significance was Kyle Coney v Cork some years ago. I just find it incredible that a player of that potential can be so easily discarded? Then again it's Mickey Harte were dealing with here. His nephew has to be the most overrated player ever to put on a Tyrone jersey. I'm just glad the Tyrone county board didn't bow to the Irish news campaign to get Harte a new 2 year deal. That was one close call! OUT NOW!

Petie is well worth his place now but others like Kyle not looked after as well. Was players moved all over the place till get Petie accomodated in earlier days

Coney had enough chances and if he hadn't thrown a strop after the McKenna Cup final in 2015 then he might still be in the squad.

Doesn't look he's pulling up any trees with Ardboe in any case.

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Was at the game today, thought Moran was exceptional leading the line personally. Out in front, always ready to go again - almost a direct contrast to some of the Tyrone forwards. Some of the referees calls were odd for both sides but when he wasn't centre of attention it was a good game.

Tyrone's wide count was crazy, again - it's a major problem but Mark Bradley was a great stand out, he'll need to watch that dummy coming into the summer as a marked man now and probably Tyrone's best forward at present.

Good test for both teams, this Mayo side seem to have Tyrone's number but I suspect we might see this again before the end of the summer.

You may want to look at game again before coming to your initial conclusion.
Andy turned the ball over time and time again, before finally getting subbed.
He tried hard but at this stage, time for plan B.

Wouldn't agree with that at all, thought Moran gave McCarron the run around.

He consistently was out in front when the ball went in, made it stick and was able to lay things off. Tyrone could really have done with someone of his ilk today.

Just look at Parson's goal, Moran shows, gets the ball and lays it off to Parsons who buried it.

Though Mickey should have switched McNamee or Hampsey on to Moran a lot sooner. We need to do something to counteract the way Mayo were feeding off Moran but we negated to and paid the price. I thought he was invaluable to Mayo.

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Just back and reading the after match comments , I find it truly amazing that not a mention of the utter dirt from Tyrone at the end.

What dirt?

The Loughran strike?

Poor form but the game was played in fairly decent spirits. Less needle that most Division 1 games this term, keep pedaling your nonsense though - Mayo are no saints. Cillian O'Connor has given out plenty of what he was the receiving end of today, which I don't condone btw.

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Dire sure shite from us, a half decent u-14 team would have had a better conversion rate in the 2nd half. Absolutely scandalous that Colm and Peter didn't hit the target, 1even fecking making it over crossbar height, in that last quarter. This percentage shooting and constant recycling of half chances is starting to grate. How the f**k we managed to lose that game I will never know. At least McLaughlin had the balls to go for the winner and the technique to clear the bar!!

Jinxy, thought the Cillian incident at the end was strange. He appeared to be completely spaced out but the blow struck him in the neck. Can you get concussed in that way. Btw, RoN was a stupid numpty for that lunge, totally pointless and he deserves a ban as well as Mattie for the oetukent white with AoSe at the end

It was Harry Loughran who caught O'Connor.

He must have been a late replacement for O'Neill in the matchday squad.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 26, 2017, 04:44:58 PM »
I do find some of Harte's selections baffling.

I struggle to see the logic in the continuous chances afforded to McShane.

McCurry should have been whipped off after about 40 minutes today, he was struggling badly and his body language wasn't good. Burns had a great game against Monaghan and hasn't been seen since? Munroe and McNulty featured heavily in pre season but again seemed to have fallen off the radar.

Loughran got an opportunity today but we haven't seen McHugh, McCullagh or Cassidy in the league so you've got to wonder what the point is when they can't even get an opportunity in the league.

We need a bit of a shake up against Kerry next week, still an outside chance of a final spot.

Hopefully the likes of Burns, Conall McCann, Brennan and Mulgrew get a run out next week as some players have really exhausted Harte's faith at this point.

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