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Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!

He was in his f**k, anytime there was a big job to be done it was thrust on to Tom O'Sullivan.

Marc O'Se was a decent corner back but there's been far, far better in his own generation. If he had been Marc O'Leary he would be relatively unheralded.

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Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.

I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.

Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.

I'd have Gormley every day of the week over Jordan. In fact I have to say, for me Gormley is the best defender in the past 20 odd year, he could do it all, played right across the back line wherever he was needed and was Harte's go to man for the big job that had to be done in our defence. Think his best position was definitely at 6.

I say this without bias but I'm shocked that he has only made a few teams in this , he must be the most underrated player of his generation, conversely I'm also shocked to see Marc O'Se in so many teams. If ever there was a case of a guy dining out on his family name then it's Marc O'Se, he was a decent player but no way was he a top 5 corner back of his generation. His two brothers were absolute class but Marc was a steady, reasonably dependable player but it was telling that most Kerry managers asked Tom O'Sullivan to do the big jobs for them.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: April 26, 2017, 07:51:26 PM »
I'd appreciate an option to ignore the schizophrenic clown on here but I'll just have to use my discretion instead.

On Munroe, that does seem a bit of a surprise, he seemed to get plenty of game time early on in the year but was out of the picture towards the end of the league. We do seem to have plenty of options here anyway but I thought he has equipped himself fairly well when called upon.

Any word on how Richie Donnelly is doing, has he been in action with Trillick yet or is he likely gone for the year?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: April 25, 2017, 07:23:38 PM »
If ye were doing the interview for the new manager what attributes would you be looking for?
What style of play would you be looking for and how would it compete with say Donegal and Monaghan?
Mickey has proven to be a poor coach in this new era of Jim Gavin and Eammon Fitzmaurice.  Player selection is the main problem. Hartes idea of a good footballer is far different to a lot of peoples. The man has been their so long, he thinks he owns the place were bullying the county board and cronyism is rife. Fair play to Roisin Jordan for it took a lady to stand up to this individual. It's gonna be great seeing the back of him.

Give us your best XV in Tyrone right now.

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County: Dublin

Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus

Darran O'Sullivan?

A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?

Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.

But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.

Sitting on the bench doesn't affect how good or.bad he was

The fact he couldn't even hold down a place on his own side makes it unlikely that he would be a realistic contender for this.

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County: Dublin

Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus

Darran O'Sullivan?

A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?

Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.

But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.

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County: Dublin

Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus

Darran O'Sullivan?

A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 24, 2017, 06:23:02 PM »
It's hard to really judge Browne. Did he ever play in any semi-serious game against a decent opponent? With all due respect if Kerry or Cork were playing Tipp 15 years ago it would generally be played at a leisurely pace where Cork and Kerry ran out easy victors.

In contrast you can certainly judge Mattie Forde much more on merit, he delivered some massive performances against credible opposition in closely fought games.

Not Browne's fault but there will always be loads of question marks over how good he really was.

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I've tried to go for players who played a good 6/7 years at least after 2001.

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Tyrone

1. Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
2. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
3. Barry Owens (Fermanagh)
4. Andy Mallon (Armagh)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin)
7. Tomas O'Se (Kerry)
8. Darragh O'Se (Kerry)
9. Paul McGrane (Armagh)
10. Benny Coulter (Down)
11. Ciaran McDonald (Mayo)
12. Oisin McConville (Armagh)
13. Stevie McDonnell (Armagh)
14. Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
15. Paddy Bradley (Derry)

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GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 23, 2017, 11:34:00 AM »
Bernard Brogan? Really? Run this poll in 10 years and Brogan wouldn't even be mentioned, never mind make the top 25. Connolly either.

Canavan topping the poll by a large margin is the really mad thing. Provincial bias at its finest imho.

Brogan made it onto a lot of lists near the end and only 3% separates him from the next 13 players, while Canavan has a greater margin than that over Fitzgerald and Gooch, both nearly universally regarded as the best forwards of their respective generations.

Its hard to make yourself consistently look like a clown on this thing but you do manage it.

Do you not look at the votes and recognition canavan gets in all quarters and just think to yourself if you don't genuinely think he should be there and think i really do not have a clue. because thats what everyone else thinks!

Canavan played in a time without a dozen cameras watching you and got battered every game from the age of 18 of course he stepped over the lines at times.

Pity roscommon didnt have a bit more backbone or they might be relevant now

You seem a bit upset. Nasty stuff.

I ranked Canavan the fourth best forward I've ever seen ffs.

It's just very obvious that the two Kerry lads were something special, and for me Michael Donnellan's once in a generation gifts - bringing Galway to two AI titles and three finals, the same as Canavan did but in a far more condensed time-frame - puts him above the Tyrone man too.

And whatever way you cut it, Fitzgerald and Cooper are generally the two mentioned when talking about the greatest forwards in the last 20-30 years. This forum by its make-up has an Ulster bias so pointing out that is entirely fair game when it comes to judging these results.

You were saying in this thread a few minutes ago that it was hard to bring yourself to claiming Lee Keegan was the best footballer in the country because he was a Mayo man.

How do you square that off with claiming Canavan only gathered that rank on here because of an Ulster bias? Do you think a lot of Ulster counties would take pleasure in giving a Tyrone man, and an absolute scourge to their counties at that?

There's a deep rooted conflict ion you've created for yourself there.

You also note that Fiztgerald and Cooper are generally regarded as the two greatest of the past 20-30 years? By who, those with a free state bias?

The bottom line is with Cooper anyway, despite all what his cheerleaders may say, that he does not have reference points in his career of coming to his side's rescue in the really, really big games and dragging him over the line and there were plenty of times when Kerry needed this in his career. It's grand having all the talent Gooch unquestionably had but what use is it when he couldn't turn it on when needed. He's lucky he played in such a talented side, he's blessed Donaghy came on the scene when he did, history will say he lost more All Ireland's than he won and the only victories he had were against Cork and Mayo sides who were terrified at the sight of the Kerry green and gold jerseys. In 2004, 2006 and 2007 you got the impression Mayo and Cork were beaten from the first few minutes, psychologically they didn't have it.

When you have the all the skill and talent Gooch had, then it's easy to play when all the parameters allow you to play. It is when they turn and the odds are against you that you will find the true worth of that player.
 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 23, 2017, 11:22:40 AM »
There seems to be a rather one-sided picture of Canavan being painted by some folk. He did receive some awful treatment on the pitch at times, but Canavan was guilty of some cowardly and disgraceful acts himself. Diving, feigning injury, hitting out at people, cynical fouling etc.

This side detracts from how I view him overall. Great footballer but some inexcusable behaviour on the pitch.

One thing that nobody seems to discuss about Gooch is his diving and moaning and whining to match officials, trying to referee games. I just wanted to add that in there in terms of balance. Just ask Limerick football fans what they thought of his behaviour on the pitch.

Canavan took it and dished it out, he was well able to look after himself which is one of the reasons why he was so great.




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GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 23, 2017, 10:11:52 AM »
Any plans for other positions, Brannigan?

Cake would win best keeper anyways.

Forget the fad of scoring points - who's the best shot-stopper? Big Pascal was handy. Cluxton? Charlie Nelligan? Benny Tierney? I'd go for Hearty.

Mickey McVeigh and Brendan McVeigh were excellent keepers for Down in their careers.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Thanks Andy Mallon
« on: April 22, 2017, 09:54:19 PM »
I thought Mallon was a superb corner back, a real sticky man marker, pace to burn and could bomb forward at will.

He was immense in the AI QF against Donegal 3 years back,

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 22, 2017, 01:16:49 PM »
I've said it before, only a matter of time before "Club" players are contracted to their County for that playing year and Club League Football goes on ahead without them. Would sort this shambles from happening. No point holding up league games for 90% of players just to keep 1 man and his 10% happy

Make them available for Club Championship yeah but let the league games go ahead.

No wonder the youth are disinterested and player drop outs after 18 are so high

Yup, this is what makese sense.

How many league games do Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or Donegal county players play for their clubs by the way? I'd imagine Tyrone are a lot more accommodating than any of these counties when it comes to county players playing with their clubs.

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