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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:05:19 PM »
2016 - Keegan
2010 - Brogan
2003 - McDonnell
1995 - Canavan

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:59:36 PM »
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes

Apples and oranges. Mayo went man to man on Dublin effectively.

We man marked Murphy and McBrearty against Donegal and were zonal after that. Dublin have 6 match winners in their forward line and another 3 or 4 on the bench ready to come in.

Can u think for yourselve instead of repeating the press/media line. Mayo man marked Kilkenny everywhere he went, the remainder of there backs played there men the way a bloody decent defender should, got stuck into them and made it a war, not standing off them when the ball was 60 yards up the field, whilst they has a player drop back almost 50% of the time to sweep in front of the full back line. Andrews, O Gara, Flynn, Manion, Scully are not match winners, v good players yes. Brogan was a match winner but isn't anymore.

I watched the game.

What sort of fantasy world are you living in?

Mannion is a match winner.

Andrews is a match winner, ask Mayo fans about what he did to them in 2015.

Flynn is a 4 time All Star and a bonafide matchwinner, maybe past his best but still capable of it. Costello who got a few minutes near the end came on in the All Ireland final last year and won the match for them.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:19:41 PM »
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes

Apples and oranges. Mayo went man to man on Dublin effectively.

We man marked Murphy and McBrearty against Donegal and were zonal after that. Dublin have 6 match winners in their forward line and another 3 or 4 on the bench ready to come in.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:13:33 PM »
mc carron said in irish news last week that he will never play for another county. sounded like he would continue to play for tyrone. is he good enough any more though?

McCarron's legs look to have gone on him.

He'd probably do a good job on a physical target man but I'd worry about him on a mobile player with good movement, Clarke gave him the runaround when we played Armagh. Andy Moran destroyed him in a league game against Mayo this year.

I think he can still play a role albeit in a different manner to what he has done.

Who are our best man markers though?

Hampsey?
Brennan?

I think it's an area we are lacking in reliable options

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:07:26 PM »
Did anyone listen to Team talk? Sounds to me that Mickey ain't going to be changing the one man FF approach anytime soon. He was quoting Dublin and Mayo at times having 1 man forward. What he fails to grasp is that this happened for a tiny percentage of the game.

He also noted that we attack very quickly and get numbers forward. However, in my (albeit humble) opinion Mayo caused Dublin serious issues because they regularly left 3/4 men in the Dublin half. This meant Dublin had to tag them and as a result it significantly hampered their ability to fully implement their running game.

Furthermore, Mayo 100% commited to pressing Cluxton's kick outs. This severely spooked him and gave Mayo huge momentum. We only went 80% on the press. Each timw Dublin had one man free. Mickey needs to watch the Mayo press (Kerry as well) and replicate this in a planned fashion. It's true that the intensity of the press tales huge physical commitment and this, it could be argued, contributed to Mayo's eventual downfall. However, a fully committed press with a slight increase in forward numbers should be our approach to next year.

Fully agree with your synopsis on how Mayo hurt Dublin but do you believe we have the players to mirror the way Mayo play?

I don't think we've anywhere near the physicality of Mayo, we don't have a ball winner like Moran inside, we don't have a wrecking ball like O'Shea around the middle of the pitch, we don't have real sticky tigerish markers like Harrison and Barrett.

You play the hand you're dealt with and while we have some very good footballers, there's an imbalance to our side. I take on board we need to change aspects of our play but it's not just as easy as copying Mayo as we don't have the players who can enact it like they do.

As for the kickouts the last day, spot on, it was a disaster, you either go all in on the press or you cash out. We pushed up but always left one man free and that one man was picked up every time.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 09:44:00 PM »
bomber why single out those 3 players? 2 of whom barely kicked a ball for tyrone this year? what about some of the guys who played against dublin? and if u think a few new faces in the panel is gonna fix things then your deluded.

I don't think new players are going to fix anything.

McShane and Conall McCann have had a lot of chances at this stage and not grasped, HP McGeary is a guy who I don't think is up to it. I think there are other players that are certainly worth looking at.

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford
« on: September 18, 2017, 09:07:23 PM »
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.

He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.

He looks to be as tall and as athletic as Conor Glass, can kick off both feet, seems to have a good footballing brain (eg the pass for the 2nd Kerry goal) and can field a ball well. What do you think he is lacking? Bulk? I'm sure a pro S&C regime would soon sort that out!

He's too languid, he'd want too much time on the ball in AFL.

There is a relative art to tackling in GAA compared to AFL where you just drag a lad to the ground.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 18, 2017, 09:02:37 PM »
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times

I honestly don't get this stuff.

I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.

You suck it the fck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.

Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.

Andy Moran has now lost 6 All Ireland finals and won none.

They've lost 3 finals in 5 years by a single point to the same opposition.

They've been good enough to win it but just keep coming up that fraction short.

Your analogy is way off the mark, there is no comparison with Mayo in the past 7/8 years that I can think of.

Down made two finals in the 90s, they won them. Derry made 1 they won it, Donegal made 1 they won it. Armagh made 2 in the 00s, they won one, Tyrone made three in the 00s, they won three. Cork eventually got over the line in 2010 after a few final appearances. Kerry won many and lost many.

It's repeated agony and missing a shock win is not a valid comparison to winning your first AI in 60+ years after years of close calls.


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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:07:16 PM »
Mayo showed the type of game plan needed to beat Dublin yesterday. I just don't think we have the type of players to play that way though.

I hope we certainly try and be a bit more assertive next year, try and keep two inside and go for it but I'd worry about our defence being left exposed and our inside forward players are not ball winners.

I also think we're a fair bit off Dublin and Mayo physically. Peter Donnelly will need to be busy this Winter with the squad.

Some freshening up is needed in the squad also, I'm not sure guys like Conall McCann, McShane or HP McGeary are up to it and maybe it's time to look at other faces.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:00:44 PM »
Mayo keep defying the odds and coming back again and again, yesterday they were desperately unlucky and they deserve a few breaks but that's football.

7 of the starting XV next year will be in their 30s. They really need to fast track some fresh blood in next year. Mayo's forward problems have been well documented over the past few years but I thought they were brilliant at the business end this year. Moran is the FOTY, COC has had his all round game much improved this year but his free taking dropped a level below his norm, Doherty really catapulted himself from a bit of a workhorse to something much more polished.

With the likes of Moran, Boyle, Higgins and SOS another year older they will need to find some other players to add to the team but I think they are probably the team best equipped to topple Dublin next year.

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford
« on: September 18, 2017, 12:27:21 AM »
Clifford is a freak at minor, a lot of people would say he's the best they've ever seen at that age level.

I don't think he'll go to AFL. I actually don't think he would make it there as his style is very languid and probably wouldn't suit the game. I also think his dominance at minor will not be replicated at senior as one of the main reasons he's been so lethal at minor is his size - we've all seen these type of guys before who look the part underage but when other players catch up with them physically as they age then it's not as big a gap.

Some feat though, think Kerry should be careful about integrating him - they should have him on the panel next year but I don't think he'll be ready for the business end stage of Championship football for another two years. Very few make the breakthrough now out of minor - they physicality required ensures that.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 17, 2017, 05:40:28 PM »
Need see a better replay of it; shoulder to chest by small def yellow! Vaughan charge on small if forearm to face red; if to the chest yellow!

Harsh enough for Vaughan but the sheer stupidity of it, it's so typical of what Mayo do themselves year on year. They're more than good enough.

Game of fine margins but Mayo always seem to press self destruct.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 17, 2017, 05:24:16 PM »
That's incredibly cruel on Mayo.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 17, 2017, 01:50:10 AM »
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!

Myth exposed.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-players-day-jobs-like-counties-heres-proof-136986

Dublin players and management are very much GAA people and true Gaels. They should be applauded and not insulted by ignorance.

But it will come down to footballing ability and Dublin have the better players and know how, Dubs to win by more than 1 this time, but best of luck to Mayo, I wouldn't begrudge if ye won it.

I'd say a lot of those Dublin players are employed in those jobs in the same way mobsters were on the payroll of sanitation companies during the Mafia's height in America.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 16, 2017, 08:52:19 PM »
Mayo have shown they're well fit for Dublin in the past but time will tell whether Dublin have pulled away from everyone this year.

I can see it being ding dong for 50 odd minutes but Dublin pulling away and winning by 8 or 9.

I can see it over by eight minutes, hope I am wrong, a team that should have been beaten by Derry playing this Dublin team should get destroyed, I hope not,  c'mon mayo.

I think it's fair to say Mayo are a completely different team compared to the early qualifier rounds. They upped it in the replay against Roscommon steamrolling past them and the scoreboard didn't do justice to how dominant they were against Kerry.

It remains to be seen how far ahead Dublin are of everyone else or how far ahead Dublin and Mayo are of anyone else. Personally I think Dublin have probably stepped it up this year which is worrying for the game. Their bench is so strong that it has to have a psychological impact on the opposition that even if they are in bother they have five or six pedigree game changers on the bench ready to come in.

Mayo deserve credit for the way they keep coming back and sustaining their levels but I feel as if their best chances have passed.

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