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A few observations on Saturday's match. To score 0-27 and win by one point shows where the real concern lies. Subs made by Rochford were mad. Barrett should never have been taken off. The players who replaced them were no better thsn those taken off. Whatever anyone else thinks, in my opinion subs should strengthen the team, not put undue pressure instead. Speaking of undue pressure, Caff must be under a serious amount. He was taken to the cleaners on Saturday. Maybe his injury has taken its toll on him. Donncha O'Connor 36 years of age and Kerrigan I think afterwards destroyed him. Enough negatives, but they need to be addressed.

As I already said to score 0-27. Amazing scoreline. Forwards were simply outstanding. Cillian had his best game in ages. Magnificent. Aiden O'Shea had another massive performance too. He did however fade slightly towards the end. McLoughlin wasn't as good as he was against Clare but didn't do much wtong. Although one poor pass to a Cork player stands out. Andy was brilliant too. I know I often doubt him but he rarely has a poor game. Doherty had a good game too. Bringing on Alan Dillon nearly cost us the match. Stupid free to a Cork player who afterwards went down and kicked a wide.

Keegan needs to stop the playacting off the ball. Another card given wway carelessly by a Mayo defender. Boland must be dropped from the panel as he played with Aghamore according to MWR; might have picked that info up wrong though.

Up Mayo

In fairness, the 27 points were got with an additional 20 minutes of action played. What had they scored at full time? 20 points?

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Awful sledging and skulduggery going on here.

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What's your verdict on Rochford, lads?

They seem to be ambling along under him and while unquestionably they were unlucky against Dublin last year, they used up a fair amount of their lives against Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry and Cork as well as two exits in Connacht against Galway.

McLoughlin seemed to have developed into a very effective sweeper last year and in the big games against Tyrone and Dublin it seemed to add them with a bit of defensive structure and security which they always seemed to lack in the big games. This year he seems to have been completely abandoned it and the ease at which Cork cut right through the middle of Mayo yesterday is very worrying from their point of view. Mayo really are the own worst enemies at times.

I remember last year in injury time against Tyrone they hit a really loose free across their own goals which was intercepted and McCurry snatched at a great chance to draw us level. Yesterday you had an experienced player like Alan Dillon doing pretty much the exact same thing again. Mayo's ability to self destruct is unrivaled in the game and more that a porous defence, management and player discord or lack of a marquee forward, it is what has cost them an All Ireland.

My problem with what the players did with Holmes and Connelly in 2015 was that there seemed to be zero introspection on their own part in why they never won an All Ireland, 2 years on and the same sort of meltdowns are still happening with Mayo footballers in pressure cooker situations. They're good enough to win but they seem determined not to address their propensity to explode.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v donegal
« on: July 23, 2017, 09:10:55 AM »
Donegal have landed about 7 or 8 players into the starting team without any real Championship experience.

Look at the team yesterday - Ward, McGee, Brennan, Gallagher all started when it would have been their first year of Championship football. In addition to that they've also had Ciaran Thompson, Michael Carroll and Cian Mulligan starting Championship football this year who are in the same boat.

Kieran Gillespie saw a few appearances last year in Championship but isn't experienced at this level, even the likes of Hugh McFadden and Eoghan McHugh haven't seen much before last year so you're looking at a side where two thirds of it have been mostly unexposed to Championship football.

You have to lay the blame at Gallagher's door with this, I think some of these lads should have seen more time and been phased into the side when they had a lot of experienced players around them. Now there doesn't seem to be any real leaders on the side - Lacey and McGlynn were two magnificent players whose legs have given out, Michael Murphy looks in danger of being flogged to death, if a manager wants to play him in the middle of the pitch he simply can't expect him to be going box to box, it's simply not his game and he's not mobile enough. McBrearty is up front trying to do everything himself. They are a shambles.

Donegal could do a lot worse than Pete McGrath right now, he was able to organise Fermanagh and set them up very well defensively. I'm sure Lacey and McGlynn will now call it a day but if Donegal get MacNiallais and McLoone back in might help in some way.

There seems to be a huge age gap between the Donegal team, you have McGlynn, Lacey and McGee now over 30. Then you have the likes of Murphy, McElhinney and McGrath who were part of the u21 side which lost to Dublin in the final. Apart from that, there seems to be a massive gap in any sort of talent until you hit McBrearty and Ryan McHugh. If you look at the majority of top sides now they will nearly all have the nucleus of their team in the age group around 24-30, there's not much in Donegal there.


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If a performance epitomised Mayo football that was it. Cruising one minute, in crisis the next, back to cruising, then in crisis - all self inflicted. O'Shea was immense today during normal time but really struggled late. It's notable the legs have definitely gone on some of their key players. Cafferkey is a huge weak link.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v donegal
« on: July 22, 2017, 08:29:08 PM »
Not a nice way for a lot of these Donegal lads to end their career. Gallagher has to take a lot of blame, some of these young lads should have seen more football over the past couple of years. He's basically chucked about 7 or 8 lads into the starting team this year who have played little to no Championship football. They're an absolute mess.

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I was writing Mayo off earlier on this year but I think the 2nd half against Clare was very impressive. Today will tell a lot about where they're at but I think they've turned a corner and should pick up a routine win today.

Mayo by 6/7.

Cork continually get hyped up but the reality is Cork are very ordinary.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Stephen Cluxton
« on: July 21, 2017, 10:54:18 PM »
McAteer is an alright sort.

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I think it's obvious Canavan is picking his 10 best players of the Championship so far.

Hampsey has only made 3 Championship starts for instance.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Stephen Cluxton
« on: July 21, 2017, 02:37:37 PM »
McDonnell never mentioned Kevin McLoughlin only went back to own one nearly 15 years ago. I don't know or care what happened with Jason McAteer but I doubt it was because his team was losing in a charity game.

Cluxton was rightly sent off for kicking McLoughlin. I fail to see a problem with Brogan criticising Morgan for sledging. This thread has turned ridiculous in that Cluxton who did nothing wrong is getting hammered but Morgan who had a go at the down player on the ground seems to be the victim

The problem isn't Brogan criticising Morgan for sledging, the problem is putting Cluxton up on a pedestal for impeccable behaviour when it's far removed from fact.

Does Alan Brogan have selective amnesia of his former teammate?


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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Stephen Cluxton
« on: July 21, 2017, 02:17:25 PM »
Steven McDonnell has defended Niall Morgan after the Tyrone goalkeeper appeared to goad Down's Darragh O'Hanlon after he missed a goal chance during the first half of last Sunday's Ulster SFC final.

Former Dublin star Alan Brogan led the criticism of Morgan, claiming in a newspaper column that "that sort of behaviour is not what you see from Stephen Cluxton", but McDonnell feels too much has been made of the incident.

The ex-Armagh attacker told the Irish News: "It's an Ulster final where there's a lot at stake. It's a heat of the moment thing, a reaction that happens. It happens out the field all the time during matches, so I wouldn't be too concerned or worried about it if I was Niall Morgan.

"It's something that happens in football. It's here to stay for a while. I'd love to see it eradicated from the game and it's difficult for measures to stamp it out of the game."

McDonnell took issue with Brogan's assertion that Stephen Cluxton wouldn't engage in such behaviour.

"I've seen Stephen Cluxton react the way in games. I remember he punched Jason McAteer in a charity match when he wasn't getting it all his own way.

"He got sent off for striking out at me in 2003. Cluxton is no angel," he added.

Ridiculous comparison to make. The incident with Stephen McConnell was 14 years ago. That Dublin team was completely different to this Dublin team. While Dublin team could certainly dish out the verbal diarrhoea back then they couldn't back it up. Also Cluxton was only starting out in his early 20s. He was crucified afterwaeds for getting sent off in that game. Even his then manager Tommy Lyons hammered him. I wish refs would clamp down on that sledging and start issuing black cards for it. No skill involved and only done to try and get the player to react and get sent off.

What Brogan pointed out is true. If that had happened against Cluxton he would have picked up the ball and looked for the quick kick out while the player was on the ground.

Cluxton got sent off against Mayo 2 years ago because he kicked out at Kevin McLaughlin all because he ran across him as Cluxton was getting ready to take a quick kickout.

You seem to be talking about both sides of your mouth here, a bit like Alan Brogan.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Stephen Cluxton
« on: July 21, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
Steven McDonnell has defended Niall Morgan after the Tyrone goalkeeper appeared to goad Down's Darragh O'Hanlon after he missed a goal chance during the first half of last Sunday's Ulster SFC final.

Former Dublin star Alan Brogan led the criticism of Morgan, claiming in a newspaper column that "that sort of behaviour is not what you see from Stephen Cluxton", but McDonnell feels too much has been made of the incident.

The ex-Armagh attacker told the Irish News: "It's an Ulster final where there's a lot at stake. It's a heat of the moment thing, a reaction that happens. It happens out the field all the time during matches, so I wouldn't be too concerned or worried about it if I was Niall Morgan.

"It's something that happens in football. It's here to stay for a while. I'd love to see it eradicated from the game and it's difficult for measures to stamp it out of the game."

McDonnell took issue with Brogan's assertion that Stephen Cluxton wouldn't engage in such behaviour.

"I've seen Stephen Cluxton react the way in games. I remember he punched Jason McAteer in a charity match when he wasn't getting it all his own way.

"He got sent off for striking out at me in 2003. Cluxton is no angel," he added.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Kildare 29.07.2017
« on: July 21, 2017, 07:48:27 AM »
Feeley's black card against Clare in the League has been rescinded he's record has been amended. That's a big plus for Kildare.

As I predicted, a cast iron ban in the GAA never sticks.

Quelle surprise.

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Mickey Harte requests all the players to partake in saying the rosary before a game, the Tyrone Catholic Team?
Ronan McNamee
It (the rosary) canít do you any harm. I canít imagine itís going to cause anybody any upset. Whether we do it with Tyrone or not, I go to Mass every Sunday anyway. There is no reason why everybody canít go to Mass the odd time.Ē
How about a reason being that a person is not a catholic?
What if a player is not of the catholic church and does not partake in the catholic rituals?
That's a bizarre backwoods religious culture in Tyrone.

Yes it is weird. Would an atheist or a Protestant be ousted, made to chant the meaningless mantra or be allowed to decline the invite to participate but not have their playing chances diminished?

It's a weird one alright. Didn't they ban prayers in the Dail a whole ago? Pray if you want to pray, but enforcing a team/group of differing beliefs (I'd imagine) to do so, is baffling.

Guys like you seem to be the ones who are pushing the line that players are forced to do it against their will.

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Mickey Harte requests all the players to partake in saying the rosary before a game, the Tyrone Catholic Team?
Ronan McNamee
It (the rosary) canít do you any harm. I canít imagine itís going to cause anybody any upset. Whether we do it with Tyrone or not, I go to Mass every Sunday anyway. There is no reason why everybody canít go to Mass the odd time
How about a reason being that a person is not a catholic?
What if a player is not of the catholic church and does not partake in the catholic rituals?
That's a bizarre backwoods religious culture in Tyrone.

Yes it is weird. Would an atheist or a Protestant be ousted, made to chant the meaningless mantra or be allowed to decline the invite to participate but not have their playing chances diminished?

I'd imagine they could sit it out if they liked Yeah.

As long as someone can imagine it that's good enough for me

I have to say, I had to read McNamee's quote a few times (rubbing my eyes between each attempted read..) It's like a excerpt from Father Ted! When you consider what the church did and these lads being forced (or requested at least) to pray, it's shocking in my opinion..

And what about the fundamental premise of sport and religion being independent? I fully understand that is a bit of an ideology rather than a reality, but surely every effort should be made to decouple both.

Mickey Harte should keep his religion personal, it's not a cult.

I'll stand back now and queue the backlash..

I agree with you. I'm never comfortable with what goes on with my own club, annual mass, blessing of pitches etc.

A serious chunk of the population of Ireland have suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church in Ireland - totally wrong for Harte to bringing religion into sport.

I'm sure many people have been abused by mentors/trainers when playing underage sports?

Is it wrong to bring sports into schools?

Or is intolerance of a person's religous beliefs what drives you?

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