Starts on Wednesday
LEINSTER
Wednesday, February 24
Round 1
Wicklow v Carlow
Wexford v Longford
Louth v Laois
Wednesday, March 2
Quarter-Finals
Wexford/Longford v Westmeath
Kildare v Offaly
Louth/Laois v Wicklow/Carlow
Meath v Dublin
March 16/19 Semi-Finals
Wednesday, March 30 Final
***
ULSTER
Wednesday, March 9
Round 1
Derry v Antrim
Wednesday, March 16
Quarter-Finals
Monaghan v Fermanagh (1)
Down v Armagh (2)
Cavan v Tyrone (3)
Donegal v Derry/Antrim (4)
Wednesday, March 30
Semi-Finals
1 v 2
3 v 4
April 6 Final
***
MUNSTER Wednesday, March 9
Quarter-Finals
Clare v Cork
Kerry v Tipperary
Wednesday, March 16
Semi-Finals
Waterford v Clare/Cork
Limerick v Kerry/Tipperary
Thursday, April 7 Final
***
CONNACHT
Wednesday, March 9
Round 1
Roscommon v Galway
March 16/19
Semi-Finals
Sligo v Roscommon/Galway
Leitrim v Mayo
Saturday, April 2 Final
***
Saturday, April 16
All Ireland Semi-Finals
Connacht v Leinster
Ulster v Munster
Saturday, April 30
All-Ireland Final
***
Tyrone,Dublin,Mayo,Kerry favourites to win their provincal championships and Kerry with Jack O Connor as manager are favourites to win the All Ireland.
Seems we'll be gone from day 1 due to best players injured and a weaker squad than we've had for 7 years.
Ah well... :-\
Are Meath moaning about fixtures again this year?
I don't think Dublin are as strong as previous years which should give Kildare the opportunity to win Leinster. It's a while since Mayo,Kerry have won provincial titles at this level that wait should be end for both this year. In Ulster Tyrone look the best again with Donegal their closest challengers.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2016, 10:44:09 AM
Seems we'll be gone from day 1 due to best players injured and a weaker squad than we've had for 7 years.
Ah well... :-\
Have you put the money on us losing then Rossfan.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2016, 01:14:36 AM
Starts on Wednesday
LEINSTER
Wednesday, February 24
Round 1
Wicklow v Carlow
Wexford v Longford
Louth v Laois
Wednesday, March 2
Quarter-Finals
Wexford/Longford v Westmeath
Kildare v Offaly
Louth/Laois v Wicklow/Carlow
Meath v Dublin
March 16/19 Semi-Finals
Wednesday, March 30 Final
***
ULSTER
Wednesday, March 9
Round 1
Derry v Antrim
Wednesday, March 16
Quarter-Finals
Monaghan v Fermanagh (1)
Down v Armagh (2)
Cavan v Tyrone (3)
Donegal v Derry/Antrim (4)
Wednesday, March 30
Semi-Finals
1 v 2
3 v 4
April 6 Final
***
MUNSTER Wednesday, March 9
Quarter-Finals
Clare v Cork
Kerry v Tipperary
Wednesday, March 16
Semi-Finals
Waterford v Clare/Cork
Limerick v Kerry/Tipperary
Thursday, April 7 Final
***
CONNACHT
Wednesday, March 9
Round 1
Roscommon v Galway
March 16/19
Semi-Finals
Sligo v Roscommon/Galway
Leitrim v Mayo
Saturday, April 2 Final
***
Saturday, April 16
All Ireland Semi-Finals
Connacht v Leinster
Ulster v Munster
Saturday, April 30
All-Ireland Final
***
Tyrone,Dublin,Mayo,Kerry favourites to win their provincal championships and Kerry with Jack O Connor as manager are favourites to win the All Ireland.
The big 4 will always be favourites but it doesn't always work out like that. I know we have Cavan up first in Cavan and after them being Mcrory champs last year it will be a tricky one
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
Quote from: Syferus on February 22, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2016, 10:44:09 AM
Seems we'll be gone from day 1 due to best players injured and a weaker squad than we've had for 7 years.
Ah well... :-\
Have you put the money on us losing then Rossfan.
Against my Religion a Shyfìn ;)
But I'm not hopeful.
Quote from: redzone on February 22, 2016, 05:43:12 PM
The big 4 will always be favourites but it doesn't always work out like that. I know we have Cavan up first in Cavan and after them being Mcrory champs last year it will be a tricky one
I don't think Kerry or Mayo were favorites last year the other two were and rightly so. Tyrone had a good win yesterday against Monaghan in the Shamrock Cup.
For Monaghan this will be the group that won the Ulster minor so I'd be hopeful we'll give Ulster a good rattle again. We should be in with a good shout of making the final anyway looking at the draw.
But of course Tyrone could easily have won that minor final and beat us in the Shamrock Cup at the weekend, and obviously are defending champions. Rightly strong favourites.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2016, 05:52:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 22, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 22, 2016, 10:44:09 AM
Seems we'll be gone from day 1 due to best players injured and a weaker squad than we've had for 7 years.
Ah well... :-\
Have you put the money on us losing then Rossfan.
Against my Religion a Shyfìn ;)
But I'm not hopeful.
If it's half as good as the game in Tuam last year we're in for a treat.
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
Fair play to Sligo getting their house in order at underage. Reached the Connacht minor final last year and might go one better and win Connacht this year.
Not sure how our lads are shaping up this year so far.
Our last 3 minor teams were decent but not sure what the drop off rate in the meantime has been.
Certainly I know several of the starters from the 2013 minors are not on the panel now.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 22, 2016, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
Fair play to Sligo getting their house in order at underage. Reached the Connacht minor final last year and might go one better and win Connacht this year.
Saw both Semi finals. Summerhill look the stronger outfit, should win handy enough. Bit of a no brainer for county board to pump money into summerhill and attractas, as majority of minor squad will come from those two schools.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 22, 2016, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
Fair play to Sligo getting their house in order at underage. Reached the Connacht minor final last year and might go one better and win Connacht this year.
CBS getting to the AI A final did absolutely nothing for the minor team. Sligo have been strong at schools for a long time without it ever effecting the county team.
Can't wait for the Ros match.
Good Kildare squad on paper but I'm ferociously worried about Offaly first up. Get over that and I'd say we have a right chance of winning Leinster but that first game will be extremely tight I'd imagine.
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The Ulster side of the draw is very lopsided.
Tyrone last year's U21 AI champs.
Cavan who won the three previous and were on the Ulster minor final last year.
Derry who won an Ulster minor title last year.
Donegal who have been in the last two Ulster u21 finals and contested an AI minor final 2 years ago.
Monaghan should make the final on their side of the draw but you would suspect they would start underdogs against any of the other four teams in the final.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
Good Kildare squad on paper but I'm ferociously worried about Offaly first up. Get over that and I'd say we have a right chance of winning Leinster but that first game will be extremely tight I'd imagine.
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Is that set in stone for Leinster?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 23, 2016, 07:40:10 AM
The Ulster side of the draw is very lopsided.
Tyrone last year's U21 AI champs.
Cavan who won the three previous and were on the Ulster minor final last year.
Derry who won an Ulster minor title last year.
Donegal who have been in the last two Ulster u21 finals and contested an AI minor final 2 years ago.
Monaghan should make the final on their side of the draw but you would suspect they would start underdogs against any of the other four teams in the final.
Tyrone or Donegal should make it to the ulster final and both would be considered favourites if they got there. Monaghan should make the final from the other side of the draw. The latter group of Monaghan players won the 2013 ulster minor double so they are legitimate contenders too.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Is that set in stone for Leinster?
To the best of my knowledge yes - can't remember there being a non-Wednesday night game in a very long time.
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Is that set in stone for Leinster?
To the best of my knowledge yes - can't remember there being a non-Wednesday night game in a very long time.
I knew there was restrictions around H&S, for example Offaly can't use Gracefield just surprised there is no flexibility around weekend dates. It makes sense at one level but then the AI semi-final and final are played on Saturdays.
Are many of last year's Tyrone team under age this year?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:41:28 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Is that set in stone for Leinster?
To the best of my knowledge yes - can't remember there being a non-Wednesday night game in a very long time.
I knew there was restrictions around H&S, for example Offaly can't use Gracefield just surprised there is no flexibility around weekend dates. It makes sense at one level but then the AI semi-final and final are played on Saturdays.
I'd imagine it's to not interfere with a crowded schedule
Tyrone have Goalkeeper (Fox), two midfielders (Burns and McShane), CHF (Kavanagh), Corner forward (Brennan) who started last years final I think. McGlone also played that final as a sub if memory serves me. There's a couple of other fellas who were on the panel last year too. It's a good team but not as good as last years AI winners IMO. The best player at minor in this team is in Oz playing AFL (Conor McKenna) but I still think Ulster is achievable and who knows after that.
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:49:43 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:41:28 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Is that set in stone for Leinster?
To the best of my knowledge yes - can't remember there being a non-Wednesday night game in a very long time.
I knew there was restrictions around H&S, for example Offaly can't use Gracefield just surprised there is no flexibility around weekend dates. It makes sense at one level but then the AI semi-final and final are played on Saturdays.
I'd imagine it's to not interfere with a crowded schedule
True but the last two weekends were free...
Quote from: TF15 on February 23, 2016, 10:51:17 AM
Tyrone have Goalkeeper (Fox), two midfielders (Burns and McShane), CHF (Kavanagh), Corner forward (Brennan) who started last years final I think. McGlone also played that final as a sub if memory serves me. There's a couple of other fellas who were on the panel last year too. It's a good team but not as good as last years AI winners IMO. The best player at minor in this team is in Oz playing AFL (Conor McKenna) but I still think Ulster is achievable and who knows after that.
Interesting. Not that many. I was just wondering where the strong feeling of them being favourites came from.
Seem to remember Galway having over half the team that won in 2013 available in 2014 but ended up getting beat by Leitrim.
On paper Galway have a decent team this year, Mayo minors beat Galway in extra time in 2013 and threw it away against Mayo in 2014 and last year the minors won Connacht.
If I remember correctly Roscommon could easily have beaten Mayo in 2013 but the Roscommon lot on here don't seem very confident this year.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 23, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
True but the last two weekends were free...
College competitions were on, wouldnt make sense to clash with them.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 23, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
If I remember correctly Roscommon could easily have beaten Mayo in 2013 but the Roscommon lot on here don't seem very confident this year.
If we had all our players fit we'd feel we'd have an equal chance with Galway and Mayowestros but unfortunately we're not operating with a full deck.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
unfortunately, we're not operating with a full deck.
I think we've already realised this about Rossie posters.
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 23, 2016, 10:51:17 AM
Tyrone have Goalkeeper (Fox), two midfielders (Burns and McShane), CHF (Kavanagh), Corner forward (Brennan) who started last years final I think. McGlone also played that final as a sub if memory serves me. There's a couple of other fellas who were on the panel last year too. It's a good team but not as good as last years AI winners IMO. The best player at minor in this team is in Oz playing AFL (Conor McKenna) but I still think Ulster is achievable and who knows after that.
Interesting. Not that many. I was just wondering where the strong feeling of them being favourites came from.
They are probably classed as favourites as this age group got to an all Ireland minor final a few years ago only to get beat by Mayo. They were a good side but threw away a massive lead in the ulster final to get beat by monaghan. As someone said above conor mc kenna was probably their best player.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 23, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
If I remember correctly Roscommon could easily have beaten Mayo in 2013 but the Roscommon lot on here don't seem very confident this year.
If we had all our players fit we'd feel we'd have an equal chance with Galway and Mayowestros but unfortunately we're not operating with a full deck.
Thankfully the major ones bar Harney are clearing up. If Murtagh and Compton can play the 60 we can give Galway their fill.
We have on paper a very good looking under 21 team, unfortunately we are missing colin o'riordan from it. Also our biggest problem is we are playing away to kerry first day out, any other team in munster id fancy our chances of beating but kerry look very strong coming off the back of their minor successes and having jack o connor over them too.
I'd be more confident if Flynn was in charge again this year.
Gerry Fahy has been there before both with the minors and u21s (and had the benefit of a lot of talent in all of those years) and has been a disaster!
Can't see the reasoning behind giving him the job again.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 23, 2016, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
unfortunately, we're not operating with a full deck.
I think we've already realised this about Rossie posters.
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Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. I watched us against Fermanagh in a shield final last month and we were convincing winners. We also rang Mayo and Donegal close
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Are many of last year's Tyrone team under age this year?
If memory serves me Tyrone got to the All Ireland minor final 3 years ago so that would be this years u21's? That would put them up there regardless of who they have from last year.
Also hearing that both Monaghan and Derry are flying up north. Derry beat Crossmaglen and Castlebar in challenge game and hammered Armagh and Down in challenge games.
In Connacht Rossies went well in Hastings but I think Galway will beat them based on what they have on paper anywa
You would imagine Tyrone and Mayo would be strong enough given that they were minor finalists in 2013, plus Tyrone won it last year and have retained key players. But as mentioned, they have lost the best talent from the 2013 team. They have recently won the Shamrock Cup and beat Monaghan twice in the competition.
We did very poorly in the'oul Hastings this year.
Laois have a good team on paper for the first time in a few years but confidence is low after a barren few years...
Louth away tonight will be massive test of the teams bottle I think there was 5/6 players involved in Dundalks Trench cup win on this Louth team so they will be flying after having such a good win under Oisin Mcconville at the weekend!
Quote from: ck on February 24, 2016, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. I watched us against Fermanagh in a shield final last month and we were convincing winners. We also rang Mayo and Donegal close
Mayo beat Sligo 3-12 to 0-4 in the north west cup. Sligo were horrendous.
Quote from: ck on February 24, 2016, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 22, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
I think we will struggle this year but I'm looking forward to the minor championship.
Connacht colleges A final will be contested between two Sligo Schools - Summerhill and Saint Attractas
First time ever this has happened and the first time the winner will be from Sligo since 1985.
Hopefully this converts into good minor and U21 teams in the coming years.
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. I watched us against Fermanagh in a shield final last month and we were convincing winners. We also rang Mayo and Donegal close
CK I wouldn't be taking an awful lot out of that game.
Fermanagh played a completely different 15 from the team that beat you by 11 in the league stages.
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
As always Derry have plenty of talent but whether they can get a style of play to suit is the question. Its a relatively inexperienced management team in place so they wont be looking past the first round. I'd have Donegal as favourites for Ulster.
Quote from: ck on February 24, 2016, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on February 23, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Are many of last year's Tyrone team under age this year?
If memory serves me Tyrone got to the All Ireland minor final 3 years ago so that would be this years u21's? That would put them up there regardless of who they have from last year.
Also hearing that both Monaghan and Derry are flying up north. Derry beat Crossmaglen and Castlebar in challenge game and hammered Armagh and Down in challenge games.
In Connacht Rossies went well in Hastings but I think Galway will beat them based on what they have on paper anywa
Down and Armagh must be poor enough then, good draw for Monaghan
Three games tonight. All half time.
Carlow 1-7 Wicklow 3-6, Wexford 0-5 Longford 2-1, Louth 0-9 Laois 1-8
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 24, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
Donegal would be a solid Ulster favourite in most people's notebooks. They will give the All-Ireland a strong shout too. Not sure yet of the AI semi pairings.
The results. Carlow 3-13 Wicklow 5-12, Wexford 0-14 Longford 2-5, Louth 1-14 Laois 3-15
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 24, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
As always Derry have plenty of talent but whether they can get a style of play to suit is the question. Its a relatively inexperienced management team in place so they wont be looking past the first round. I'd have Donegal as favourites for Ulster.
What would that be based on?
Quote from: ck on February 24, 2016, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 24, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
As always Derry have plenty of talent but whether they can get a style of play to suit is the question. Its a relatively inexperienced management team in place so they wont be looking past the first round. I'd have Donegal as favourites for Ulster.
What would that be based on?
Based on the talent they've had at minor level this past couple of years. Despite not winning an u21 title they've been very consistent and that core of 6 or 7 players that Gallagher has brought through to the senior panel are top drawer.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 24, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: ck on February 24, 2016, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 24, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Would Derry not be dark horses, at least, for an Ulster Championship?
They have last years winning Minor Ulster minor team plus I think the Hogan Cup winning team from 3 years ago as well.
Add to this the fact that Glen are this years and last years reigning Ulster under 21 champions.
They must have a good squad coming through.
As always Derry have plenty of talent but whether they can get a style of play to suit is the question. Its a relatively inexperienced management team in place so they wont be looking past the first round. I'd have Donegal as favourites for Ulster.
What would that be based on?
Based on the talent they've had at minor level this past couple of years. Despite not winning an u21 title they've been very consistent and that core of 6 or 7 players that Gallagher has brought through to the senior panel are top drawer.
At minor level Donegal should have had Tyrone well beat in Ballybofey in 2013 only they forgot how to shoot. I think there wide count was pushing 20.
In saying that I know the vibes from the Tyrone camp have been very good over the last few weeks. Should they meet in the semi-final it should be worth seeing.
I have a feeling Cavan might beat Tyrone in 1st round.
U21 C/ship starts this week. Who will win the provincials
Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo favourites as usual. Monaghan, Galway, Kildare and Derry behind them. Any dark horses?
Mayo won All Ireland 3 year ago at minor and Kerry, Monaghan and Dublin won the provincials I think
As mentioned in a previous thread, Donegal a good bit ahead of Derry at this age group.
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Good to see a Spillane making the switch!!
Quote from: ck on March 01, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
U21 C/ship starts this week. Who will win the provincials
Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo favourites as usual. Monaghan, Galway, Kildare and Derry behind them. Any dark horses?
Mayo won All Ireland 3 year ago at minor and Kerry, Monaghan and Dublin won the provincials I think
Kildare won the minor in 2013, hammering Dublin in the q/f. They lost the 2012 Minor final and won it again last year. We'll be disappointed if we don't win Leinster this year, that is the expectation.
Quote from: ck on March 01, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
U21 C/ship starts this week. Who will win the provincials
Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo favourites as usual. Monaghan, Galway, Kildare and Derry behind them. Any dark horses?
Mayo won All Ireland 3 year ago at minor and Kerry, Monaghan and Dublin won the provincials I think
The U21 championship started last week and I don't think Kerry,Mayo were favourites to win their province last year.
CONNACHT U21 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2016
Mayo 11/10
Roscommon 5/2
Galway 11/4
Sligo 12/1
Leitrim 20/1
ALL IRELAND U21 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2016
Kerry 4/1
Mayo 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Dublin 7/1
Cork 15/2
Kildare 8/1
Roscommon 9/1
Galway 11/1
Monaghan 12/1
Donegal 16/1
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 01, 2016, 02:01:35 PM
Quote from: ck on March 01, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
U21 C/ship starts this week. Who will win the provincials
Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo favourites as usual. Monaghan, Galway, Kildare and Derry behind them. Any dark horses?
Mayo won All Ireland 3 year ago at minor and Kerry, Monaghan and Dublin won the provincials I think
Kildare won the minor in 2013, hammering Dublin in the q/f. They lost the 2012 Minor final and won it again last year. We'll be disappointed if we don't win Leinster this year, that is the expectation.
Kildare will be clear favourites to win Leinster. Dublin team not as strong as previous years. On top of that missing Ballyboden players. Up against it tonight against Meath
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 01, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
CONNACHT U21 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2016
Mayo 11/10
Roscommon 5/2
Galway 11/4
Sligo 12/1
Leitrim 20/1
I think Mayo will win Connacht however the odds on Galway represent the best value odds there.
Kildare (Leinster U21 FC v Offaly): Declan Campbell; Eoghan Bateman, Darren Maguire, Paul Mescal; Ryan Houlihan, Shea Ryan, Brian Byrne; Luke Flynn, Paschal Connell; Conor Hartley, Barry Kelly, Mark Sherry; Ben McCormack, Chris Healy, Neil Flynn.
8 survivors from last years final.
Offaly always have the ability to raise their game and win a one-off, they won the Hastings cup so will come into this game with confidence. Not sure Hawkfield is a suitable venue but it will be a big advantage to Kildare. Expecting a tight game but Kildare to come through with 3/4 spare. Plenty of pace and accuracy in our forward line.
LAOIS V WICKLOW is off ...
Latest scores from tonights games
Wexford 0-05 Westmeath 1-03
Kildare 2-07 Offaly 1-06
Dublin 1-07 Meath 0-07
Kildare 2-14
Offaly 1-6
Results.
Wexford 0-07 Westmeath 1-05
Kildare 2-14 Offaly 1-06
Dublin 1-12 Meath 0-09
Good win for the Dubs considering they finished with 13 men.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 02, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
Good win for the Dubs considering they finished with 13 men.
And that was just the backroom team. ;)
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 02, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
Good win for the Dubs considering they finished with 13 men.
And that was just the backroom team. ;)
Is Rochey carrying the record breaking 20+ gang still?
Quote from: heffo on March 02, 2016, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 02, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
Good win for the Dubs considering they finished with 13 men.
And that was just the backroom team. ;)
Is Rochey carrying the record breaking 20+ gang still?
I'd bet his Senior gang is smaller than your U-21 gang. :D
Kildare had two players booked for diving tonight! Is enforcing this a new directive?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 02, 2016, 11:47:52 PM
Kildare had two players booked for diving tonight! Is enforcing this a new directive?
Let's hope so.
Certain teams are fooked so ::)
One was one wasn't. Kelly was through on goal, why would he dive? Flynn's was fair enough.
Will be interesting to see if it is maintained, some of our country's marquee forwards might find themselves in a spot of bother...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 02, 2016, 11:47:52 PM
Kildare had two players booked for diving tonight! Is enforcing this a new directive?
Abysmal referee. The first "dive" was a clear penalty. Barry Kelly was clean through on goal and had his heel clipped. He made no allowances for the desperate weather conditions and his application of the black card was also baffling to all in attendance.
I didn't think Kildare looked all that impressive tonight. Only the football they played in the last 10-15 minutes was of a good enough quality to justify the skinny odds available for the Leinster title. There's plenty of quality in the forward line but I can't see Kildare dominating possession to anywhere near the same extent when they meet better opposition. I think the backline could be got at. Offaly looked a very mediocre outfit which is surprising considering they had won the Hastings Cup.
Looking through the reports for the rest of the games tonight it's great to see Dessie Farrell picking players from some of the lesser known Dublin clubs like Donaghmore-Ashbourne and Eadestown!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 03, 2016, 12:11:47 AM
Looking through the reports for the rest of the games tonight it's great to see Dessie Farrell picking players from some of the lesser known Dublin clubs like Donaghmore-Ashbourne and Eadestown!
As you probably know, the Eadestown man is Niall Quinn's son. Because he was born in England I think he can choose between his Da's county and the county he plays in.
Second young footballer from that club to be seduced by the dark side in the past couple of years (the other transferred to Thomas Davis). I wouldn't think either of them are any great loss to us in fairness.
Nonetheless I propose we send troops into Saggart in retaliation.
Pretty underwhelming stuff in Parnell last night . Ref ruined it not letting any physical contact go. 3 reds were laughable. Not a dirty tackle in the game.
Con O'Callaghan the best on show. For the Dubs Byrne showed well in patches and Howard was good in defence. Slim pickings after that. Would still have the Lillies as faves.
Meath were awful though Joey Wallace went off after 10 minutes injured I resume, O'Caolain flattered to deceive for about 5 mins in first half and McEntee worked really hard throughout both Dublin could have scored at least 2 more goals. Hard to see the Royals doing anything at senior level for a long time.
Still have my doubts about Dessie as a manager - Niall Quinn in attendance as well to watch the son warm the bench
Quote from: Declan on March 03, 2016, 08:08:24 AM
Pretty underwhelming stuff in Parnell last night . Ref ruined it not letting any physical contact go. 3 reds were laughable. Not a dirty tackle in the game.
Con O'Callaghan the best on show. For the Dubs Byrne showed well in patches and Howard was good in defence. Slim pickings after that. Would still have the Lillies as faves.
Meath were awful though Joey Wallace went off after 10 minutes injured I resume, O'Caolain flattered to deceive for about 5 mins in first half and McEntee worked really hard throughout both Dublin could have scored at least 2 more goals. Hard to see the Royals doing anything at senior level for a long time.
Still have my doubts about Dessie as a manager - Niall Quinn in attendance as well to watch the son warm the bench
Thought the dublin full back deserved his 2 yellows but I agree the ref was a joke. Anyone reading the match reports today would think it was a dirty match with all the yellow/red cards. Ref was giving out yellows for tackles that were barely frees. Con O'Callaghan was the best player for dublin, scored about 1-4 from play.
Poor game overall and I can't see Dublin going too far in the championship. Poor finishing cost them a couple of goals and should have won more comfortably. Meath full forward and corner forward looked decent, but after that there was very little else standing out. Poor crowd as well on a cold night in Parnell. Alot of dub fans probably thought because they were playing at home the match must be in Croke Park.
And lol the big chat about Meath being shit hot and Dublin being average this year. Wishful thinking I'd say. Will anything touch them in Leinster. More big chat being poured on Kildare I see.
Quote from: ck on March 03, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
And lol the big chat about Meath being shit hot and Dublin being average this year. Wishful thinking I'd say. Will anything touch them in Leinster. More big chat being poured on Kildare I see.
Meath haven't won a Leinster U21 title since 2001 and have reached few finals since then. One Dublin player Con O'Callaghan scored more than Meath as a team managed. Kildare if and when they play them should be a match for Dublin this year.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
Meath haven't won a Leinster U21 title since 2001 and have reached few finals since then. One Dublin player Con O'Callaghan scored more than Meath as a team managed. Kildare if and when they play them should be a match for Dublin this year.
Kildare have a strong team and it would be a big upset if they get turned over by a decent enough Westmeath team but the one thing Kildare lack that Dublin have is a potential top class player like Con O'Callaghan.
Hopefully they stay focused on Westmeath first though.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 04, 2016, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
Meath haven't won a Leinster U21 title since 2001 and have reached few finals since then. One Dublin player Con O'Callaghan scored more than Meath as a team managed. Kildare if and when they play them should be a match for Dublin this year.
Kildare have a strong team and it would be a big upset if they get turned over by a decent enough Westmeath team but the one thing Kildare lack that Dublin have is a potential top class player like Con O'Callaghan.
Hopefully they stay focused on Westmeath first though.
Neil Flynn as good as any U21 player in Leinster I would think.
Although there are aspects of his game that remind me of a certain JD I think his reputation might be slightly inflated by the free taking performance in last years u21 final. His performances for the Seniors so far have been underwhelming so far but can be excused due to the conditions. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
For me the best U21 player in Leinster is Evan O'Carroll but I can't see them beating Dublin and I think he is injured anyway.
After the Celtic Tiger, is Eadestown a club more or less in Dublin anyway?
A lot of Leinster dominated views here. So here's the story in the wesht.
Mayo are front runners as they were minor All Ireland champions 3 years ago but for me Galway have overtaken them and Roscommon are on par with them. I had hopes for Sligo but we've taken bad beatings in challenge games after a good run in the McPartland cup. They were hammered by Derry who they say we're the best team they played all year.
Quote from: ck on March 04, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
A lot of Leinster dominated views here. So here's the story in the wesht.
Mayo are front runners as they were minor All Ireland champions 3 years ago but for me Galway have overtaken them and Roscommon are on par with them. I had hopes for Sligo but we've taken bad beatings in challenge games after a good run in the McPartland cup. They were hammered by Derry who they say we're the best team they played all year.
I would be shocked if Mayo don't go far into the competition. Few players in particular have really stepped up.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 04, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: ck on March 04, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
A lot of Leinster dominated views here. So here's the story in the wesht.
Mayo are front runners as they were minor All Ireland champions 3 years ago but for me Galway have overtaken them and Roscommon are on par with them. I had hopes for Sligo but we've taken bad beatings in challenge games after a good run in the McPartland cup. They were hammered by Derry who they say we're the best team they played all year.
I would be shocked if Mayo don't go far into the competition. Few players in particular have really stepped up.
Any sign of Tommy Conroy or Liam Irwin this year? Were decent players on the Mayo 2013 winning minor team
Quote from: Gael85 on March 05, 2016, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 04, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: ck on March 04, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
A lot of Leinster dominated views here. So here's the story in the wesht.
Mayo are front runners as they were minor All Ireland champions 3 years ago but for me Galway have overtaken them and Roscommon are on par with them. I had hopes for Sligo but we've taken bad beatings in challenge games after a good run in the McPartland cup. They were hammered by Derry who they say we're the best team they played all year.
I would be shocked if Mayo don't go far into the competition. Few players in particular have really stepped up.
Any sign of Tommy Conroy or Liam Irwin this year? Were decent players on the Mayo 2013 winning minor team
Tommy Conroy plagued by injury, very unlucky. Irwin is going well.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 05, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 05, 2016, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 04, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: ck on March 04, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
A lot of Leinster dominated views here. So here's the story in the wesht.
Mayo are front runners as they were minor All Ireland champions 3 years ago but for me Galway have overtaken them and Roscommon are on par with them. I had hopes for Sligo but we've taken bad beatings in challenge games after a good run in the McPartland cup. They were hammered by Derry who they say we're the best team they played all year.
I would be shocked if Mayo don't go far into the competition. Few players in particular have really stepped up.
Any sign of Tommy Conroy or Liam Irwin this year? Were decent players on the Mayo 2013 winning minor team
Tommy Conroy plagued by injury, very unlucky. Irwin is going well.
I hope Conroy makes it. I know he had a personal tradegy and unlucky with injuries. Has the eye for the green flag the type of forward Mayo need.
Galway not even favoured to win in Kiltoom and we haven't won a game yet. They're hardly going great guns themselves. Winners should come through their side and then get a shot at the defending champs, so to speak.
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2016, 12:57:20 AM
Galway not even favoured to win in Kiltoom and we haven't won a game yet. They're hardly going great guns themselves. Winners should come through their side and then get a shot at the defending champs, so to speak.
What are Roscommon like Syferus? Heard they beat Tyrone in a recent game
Quote from: ck on March 05, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2016, 12:57:20 AM
Galway not even favoured to win in Kiltoom and we haven't won a game yet. They're hardly going great guns themselves. Winners should come through their side and then get a shot at the defending champs, so to speak.
What are Roscommon like Syferus? Heard they beat Tyrone in a recent game
Lots of injuries. Harney, Gately, McGann and Gannon look to be out, the first two definitely. Big question mark over Murtagh. All five would probably be starting in the forwards if fit.
Harney and Gately would be definite starters.
Not so sure of McGann or Gannon.
Either way we're fecked with our best players either injured or having little if any match practice.
Will be a very pleasant surprise if we choke the herrins :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
Harney and Gately would be definite starters.
Not so sure of McGann or Gannon.
Either way we're fecked with our best players either injured or having little if any match practice.
Will be a very pleasant surprise if we choke the herrins :-\
McGann was part of the Murtagh-McGann tandem of three years ago that scored the vast majority of our points and was getting meaningful minutes as a sub at U21 last year. He was a definite starter.
Hoping to see Henry Walsh on Wednesday. Light as a feather at minor but that lad could play. If Gately, Murtagh and McGann are all out he may well end up taking frees too.
Henry's a good one alright.
Remember seeing him at minor level and he is one of these players that old school fans dislike.Tremendously skillful and capable of doing anything with the ball but maybe his work rate a little lacking.Would have him in my team all day long
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
After the Celtic Tiger, is Eadestown a club more or less in Dublin anyway?
If you're asking whether it's part of the urban sprawl then no, it's still very much a rural club. Quite close to the border though.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on March 06, 2016, 02:30:11 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
After the Celtic Tiger, is Eadestown a club more or less in Dublin anyway?
If you're asking whether it's part of the urban sprawl then no, it's still very much a rural club. Quite close to the border though.
The Wicklow border
Is Daniel Flynn not a repatriated Dub?
Quote from: heffo on March 06, 2016, 08:36:03 AM
Is Daniel Flynn not a repatriated Dub?
I think there's more of a Westmeath (Kinnegad) connection than a Dublin one.
The Feely brothers are originally from Waterford.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 06, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: heffo on March 06, 2016, 08:36:03 AM
Is Daniel Flynn not a repatriated Dub?
I think there's more of a Westmeath (Kinnegad) connection than a Dublin one.
The Feely brothers are originally from Waterford.
One of them is anyway
Galway match moved to Friday evening. Not a bad change, be more people returning home for the weekend from work or college that'll be able to make it now.
Be more if they moved it to Saturday.
Harney def out it seems while I hear Mullooly, Compton and Diarmuid should be ok.
Hope we can give them a game anyway :-\
It`s getting hard to keep up with our teams these days.If it`s not a venue changes, it`s dates and times changes.
At this rate, we`re liable to turn up anywhere.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 07, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
It`s getting hard to keep up with our teams these days.If it`s not a venue changes, it`s dates and times changes.
At this rate, we`re liable to turn up anywhere.
Ye'r minoreens have been moved from Saturday to Friday in Charlestown BTW @5pm ;)
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Quote from: ballinaman on March 07, 2016, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 07, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
It`s getting hard to keep up with our teams these days.If it`s not a venue changes, it`s dates and times changes.
At this rate, we`re liable to turn up anywhere.
Ye'r minoreens have been moved from Saturday to Friday in Charlestown BTW @5pm ;)
Jasus the Buseen'll never be able for it all......
Quote from: galwayman on March 07, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Well at least you're giving the walking wounded a fair shot. Whoever wins will be fair underdogs against the Mayo galacticos. If that man who does the match reports like he's reading poetry on Mid-West is to be be other teams are lucky to be able to keep the ball kicked out to them.
Quote from: galwayman on March 07, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Some good players available alright. Lads like Peter Cooke, Enda Tierney, Michael Daly. Eamonn Brannigan has been very lively for the seniors in the league. Have no idea how they'll go though. Like yourself I would not be convinced about the management this year at all.
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 07, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Well at least you're giving the walking wounded a fair shot. Whoever wins will be fair underdogs against the Mayo galacticos. If that man who does the match reports like he's reading poetry on Mid-West is to be be other teams are lucky to be able to keep the ball kicked out to them.
Really? I'll be pleasantly surprised if we manage a canter at U21 or minor yet again this year.
Quote from: moysider on March 08, 2016, 01:03:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 07, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Well at least you're giving the walking wounded a fair shot. Whoever wins will be fair underdogs against the Mayo galacticos. If that man who does the match reports like he's reading poetry on Mid-West is to be be other teams are lucky to be able to keep the ball kicked out to them.
Really? I'll be pleasantly surprised if we manage a canter at U21 or minor yet again this year.
Ye brought in the Solans after Tan Man let the microphone and his ego wreck his chances. Obvious to see Mayo are aiming big with their minor winning team. We might give ye a game of we have a while to get fit but Galway may put paid to that this week. Anything less than Connavht this year could o lay be seen as a disappointment for Mayo.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on March 06, 2016, 02:30:11 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 04, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
After the Celtic Tiger, is Eadestown a club more or less in Dublin anyway?
If you're asking whether it's part of the urban sprawl then no, it's still very much a rural club. Quite close to the border though.
The Wicklow border
I meant Dublin in this case. Only five miles or so from enemy territory.
Bollox, was hoping we were getting a home draw for the semi-final, need all the help we can get. Match fixed for tomorrow week in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
Galway team named for Friday night...
1 Tadhg O'Malley Lettermore
2 Luke Burke Caltra
3 Oisin Canney Clonbur
4 Rory Green Killanin
5 Kieran Molloy Corofin
6 Enda Tierney Oughterard
7 Brian Shaughnessy Ballinasloe
8 Michael Daly Mountbellew-Moylough
9 Peter Cooke Maigh Chuilinn
10 Jason Lyons Barna
11 Eamonn Brannigan St. Michael's
12 Paul Mannion Kilconly
13 Antaine Ó Laoi An Spideal
14 Eoin Finnerty Mountbellew-Moylough
15 Colm Mannion Mountbellew-Moylough
Didn't see the listed subs so not sure what our depth is like. Colin Brady started last year wing forward and is underage again.Not sure if he is injured or out of favour.
Wing back last year Dylan Corbett didn't make the panel this year.
Quote from: galwayman on March 08, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
Galway team named for Friday night...
1 Tadhg O'Malley Lettermore
2 Luke Burke Caltra
3 Oisin Canney Clonbur
4 Rory Green Killanin
5 Kieran Molloy Corofin
6 Enda Tierney Oughterard
7 Brian Shaughnessy Ballinasloe
8 Michael Daly Mountbellew-Moylough
9 Peter Cooke Maigh Chuilinn
10 Jason Lyons Barna
11 Eamonn Brannigan St. Michael's
12 Paul Mannion Kilconly
13 Antaine Ó Laoi An Spideal
14 Eoin Finnerty Mountbellew-Moylough
15 Colm Mannion Mountbellew-Moylough
Didn't see the listed subs so not sure what our depth is like. Colin Brady started last year wing forward and is underage again.Not sure if he is injured or out of favour.
Wing back last year Dylan Corbett didn't make the panel this year.
I'm surprised too that Brady & Corbett are not on the team considering they both played last year.
I think at least 9 of this of this team are available again next year at this level.
Latest scores
Leinster quarter-final
Laois 0-7 Wicklow 2-6
Munster quarter-finals
Clare 0-5 Cork 0-10,
Kerry 0-6 Tipperary 1-3
Ulster U21
Derry 0-6 Antrim 0-1
Laois 0-20 Wicklow 2-9 - FT
Clare 0-8 Cork 0-23, - FT
Kerry 0-11 Tipperary 1-7 - FT
Derry 0-14 Antrim - latest
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 07, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Galway Ros is a tough game to call.
Not really sure how Galway have been going recently to be honest.
We're a bit of an unknown quantity.
Plenty of the 2013 minors not involved now.my own club had 4 on that panel and none of them are on this u21 squad for various reasons.
There should still be plenty of talent to work with.
Gerry Fahy as manager on the other hand - I wouldn't be too positive about.
Been there done that at both minor and u21 level before and was a disaster.
Hopefully that can change this year
Well at least you're giving the walking wounded a fair shot. Whoever wins will be fair underdogs against the Mayo galacticos. If that man who does the match reports like he's reading poetry on Mid-West is to be be other teams are lucky to be able to keep the ball kicked out to them.
Which one? Frank Carney?
Derry 0-16 Antrim 0-11 FT.
Antrim's 26-year wait for an Ulster U-21 title will extend to another year.
When did An trim last win an Ulster U21 or Minor Championship game??
Quote from: Rossfan on March 09, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
When did An trim last win an Ulster U21 or Minor Championship game??
They beat Fermanagh last year in the minor.
Kerry very lucky to come away with a win in Tralee tonight against Tipp. 1st win in 4 years in this competition. ::)
Tipp will have regrets and maybe should have come out of their defensive system more in the second half against 14 men, but Kerry just about did enough.
Cork hammered Clare, so it looks like a Kerry v Cork Munster final again.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 10, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
Kerry very lucky to come away with a win in Tralee tonight against Tipp. 1st win in 4 years in this competition. ::)
Tipp will have regrets and maybe should have come out of their defensive system more in the second half against 14 men, but Kerry just about did enough.
Cork hammered Clare, so it looks like a Kerry v Cork Munster final again.
A much closer shave than would have been anticipated. Kerry missing a few key men but you have to give credit to Tipp who continue to excel even though they are seen as a hurling stronghold.
Antrim put it up to Derry who would be fancied in some quarters at least to win Ulster. Derry v Donegal in the next round will be a good contest.
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan?? and?????
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 10, 2016, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan?? and?????
Roscommon. ;)
Quote from: muppet on March 10, 2016, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 10, 2016, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan?? and?????
Roscommon. ;)
While it would be tempting to move to Ulster to get away from ye shower it hasn't happened yet.
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 10, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
Kerry very lucky to come away with a win in Tralee tonight against Tipp. 1st win in 4 years in this competition. ::)
Tipp will have regrets and maybe should have come out of their defensive system more in the second half against 14 men, but Kerry just about did enough.
Cork hammered Clare, so it looks like a Kerry v Cork Munster final again.
A much closer shave than would have been anticipated. Kerry missing a few key men but you have to give credit to Tipp who continue to excel even though they are seen as a hurling stronghold.
Antrim put it up to Derry who would be fancied in some quarters at least to win Ulster. Derry v Donegal in the next round will be a good contest.
They really didn't. Derry went about ten points up and Antrim had their keeper to thank for making a couple of good saves and then Derry took the foot off the gas and Antrim tagged on some points in the second half.
Having said that I don't think we've a hope of winning Ulster and don't expect us to win against Donegal. Our panel just isn't overly strong this year.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 10, 2016, 12:28:39 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 10, 2016, 08:12:00 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 10, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
Kerry very lucky to come away with a win in Tralee tonight against Tipp. 1st win in 4 years in this competition. ::)
Tipp will have regrets and maybe should have come out of their defensive system more in the second half against 14 men, but Kerry just about did enough.
Cork hammered Clare, so it looks like a Kerry v Cork Munster final again.
A much closer shave than would have been anticipated. Kerry missing a few key men but you have to give credit to Tipp who continue to excel even though they are seen as a hurling stronghold.
Antrim put it up to Derry who would be fancied in some quarters at least to win Ulster. Derry v Donegal in the next round will be a good contest.
They really didn't. Derry went about ten points up and Antrim had their keeper to thank for making a couple of good saves and then Derry took the foot off the gas and Antrim tagged on some points in the second half.
Having said that I don't think we've a hope of winning Ulster and don't expect us to win against Donegal. Our panel just isn't overly strong this year.
I'd agree. the forward unit played as individuals in the 2nd half , they could have won by a lot more. Overcooking handy points etc..., The keeper did pull off two mighty saves in the 2nd half (and 2 superb saves in the first half, inc a penalty), but if the player shooting had passed to the man in a better position instead of going for glory........
Donegal next week will be a huge mountain to climb, but you never know.
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Except when it's a semi-final and Dublin get to play at home.
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The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Except when it's a semi-final and Dublin get to play at home.
I don't understand your post
Quote from: heffo on March 10, 2016, 01:39:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 10, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Except when it's a semi-final and Dublin get to play at home.
I don't understand your post
Semi-final A Wednesday and neutral
Westmeath v Kildare O Moore Park Portloaise 16.3.2016 7.30
Semi-final B - Saturday and not neutral
Laois v Dublin Parnell Park 19.3.2016 2.00
So if it's a "Wednesday Night Competition" and Meath had to give up home advantage why is this semi-final on a Saturday and not at neutral venue like the other semi-final?
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Quote from: heffo on February 23, 2016, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 23, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
The other interesting thing is Meath throwing away home advantage against Dublin without a fight. Unless there are finer points to the issue I'm unaware of. If they agreed to the change as easily as I think they did it's completely baffling.
The finer point is that they entered a Wednesday night competition without an IC venue with lights - that's fundamental stumbling block #1
Except when it's a semi-final and Dublin get to play at home.
I don't understand your post
Semi-final A Wednesday and neutral
Westmeath v Kildare O Moore Park Portloaise 16.3.2016 7.30
Semi-final B - Saturday and not neutral
Laois v Dublin Parnell Park 19.3.2016 2.00
So if it's a "Wednesday Night Competition" and Meath had to give up home advantage why is this semi-final on a Saturday and not at neutral venue like the other semi-final?
Game on Sunday for Laois' benefit and player welfare after their game last night. Not seen as fair they play 2 games in a week.
Usually, LC give counties an option of a toss of a coin or honour previous home and away arrangements.
Presume Kildare and Westmeath chose not to avail of this .............. neutral venue so.
QuoteGame on Sunday for Laois' benefit and player welfare after their game last night. Not seen as fair they play 2 games in a week.
It's a week later so not 2 games in a week. Is it not a Wednesday night competition? Why couldn't the Meath game be played on a Saturday so?
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Usually, LC give counties an option of a toss of a coin or honour previous home and away arrangements.
That would make sense to a point, H&A arrangements are bollix for semi-finals/finals imho. Should always be neutral.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 10, 2016, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan?? and?????
PP has Armagh ahead of Cavan and Derry in the betting for Ulster, so maybe it's them
Quote from: elk on March 10, 2016, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 10, 2016, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 10, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Derry wouldn't be fancied for anything - wouldn't be in the top 5 u21 teams in Ulster
Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan?? and?????
PP has Armagh ahead of Cavan and Derry in the betting for Ulster, so maybe it's them
I assume that is because the side of the draw they are on. For my money Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan would be just ahead of Derry and Cavan with Down, Armagh and then Fermanagh next. Antrim are out. Down I would expect to be favourites against Armagh as they are at home, Armagh have a few injuries and the squad has only been finalised very recently.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 10, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
Kerry very lucky to come away with a win in Tralee tonight against Tipp. 1st win in 4 years in this competition. ::)
Tipp will have regrets and maybe should have come out of their defensive system more in the second half against 14 men, but Kerry just about did enough.
Cork hammered Clare, so it looks like a Kerry v Cork Munster final again.
If Donegal or Tyrone had tactics like Tipperary there'd be lynch mobs formed! Playing with an extra man, a strong wind and down 2 points they never relented from the double blanket, with 13 or 14 players regularly in their own 45. How can teams that are losing be happy for the opposition to keep possession? Donegal were the same in the 2014 AI final.
Ros 1-07 Galway 0-05 HT.
Val Daly's son got the line for two yellow, rightly. Happy enough so far considering the injuries.
Michael Daly sent off AGAIN for Galway u21s tonight.
I know he's a young lad but Jesus you'd think he'd have learned his lesson by now.
He is going to be targeted and needs to find a way to stop reacting and getting himself sent off if he wants to have any kind of county career.
Looking like Ros will walk away with this.
Please NEVER let Gerry Fahy near a Galway team ever again.
Serial failure
Ros 1 - 12
Galway 1 - 7
You can't underestimate Roscommon in this grade. Fantastic win.
Don't know if Mannion lost the ball in the bodies or thought it was going wide for the late Galway goal but before that he had a really good game. Little nervy at the end letting Galway into it after they were all but a beaten docket.
But saying that, we had some really good passing and interplay cut Galway open and we always looked likely to win it. With the injuries we had and having such a poor record v Galway at this grade it's hard not to be happy with the end result.
As comfortable a two point win as you'll find I'm afraid - did Galway run out of subs with 15 minutes left and had to end the game with 13 men when their sub FF got a black card?
Quote from: galwayman on March 11, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Michael Daly sent off AGAIN for Galway u21s tonight.
I know he's a young lad but Jesus you'd think he'd have learned his lesson by now.
He is going to be targeted and needs to find a way to stop reacting and getting himself sent off if he wants to have any kind of county career.
Am I right in thinking that he got sent off against Mayo at minor in Tuam a couple of years ago and it more or less cost Galway that match as they were well on top until he got the line?
That's a bad habit to be getting and it's costing his side matches. Won't win many games playing with 14 men for most of it. Pity as he's a very good player.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 08:57:34 PM
You can't underestimate Roscommon in this grade. Fantastic win.
And they're at it with the minors too now , beat Mayo tonight in minor league , 2-20 to 1-02 .
Roscommon will Win the three football provincial titles this year .
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Quote from: galwayman on March 11, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Michael Daly sent off AGAIN for Galway u21s tonight.
I know he's a young lad but Jesus you'd think he'd have learned his lesson by now.
He is going to be targeted and needs to find a way to stop reacting and getting himself sent off if he wants to have any kind of county career.
Am I right in thinking that he got sent off against Mayo at minor in Tuam a couple of years ago and it more or less cost Galway that match as they were well on top until he got the line?
That's a bad habit to be getting and it's costing his side matches. Won't win many games playing with 14 men for most of it. Pity as he's a very good player.
Got sent off that day in Tuam when threatening to beat Mayo with his goal chances.
larryin89, you'll be tossing in your sleep tonight!!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 08:57:34 PM
You can't underestimate Roscommon in this grade. Fantastic win.
You can. They never win the all Ireland
Mayo are not much better
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Quote from: galwayman on March 11, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Michael Daly sent off AGAIN for Galway u21s tonight.
I know he's a young lad but Jesus you'd think he'd have learned his lesson by now.
He is going to be targeted and needs to find a way to stop reacting and getting himself sent off if he wants to have any kind of county career.
Am I right in thinking that he got sent off against Mayo at minor in Tuam a couple of years ago and it more or less cost Galway that match as they were well on top until he got the line?
That's a bad habit to be getting and it's costing his side matches. Won't win many games playing with 14 men for most of it. Pity as he's a very good player.
Sending off that evening in Tuam was very harsh by all accounts. First yellow this evening was too, very innocuous and undangerous challenge; second yellow probably for the melee. (Val wouldn't always be the most moderate in his encouragement in any event.) Meanwhile a number of Roscommon players avoided black cards early in the match for dragging down Galway players when they were breaking through on goal; Galway fans rightfully a little disgruntled at Mayo ref.
Ros' better side though and will improve. Very poor Galway team, especially in defence, mgmt not hectic either, though they've had a difficult and disrupted week.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 11, 2016, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 11, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Michael Daly sent off AGAIN for Galway u21s tonight.
I know he's a young lad but Jesus you'd think he'd have learned his lesson by now.
He is going to be targeted and needs to find a way to stop reacting and getting himself sent off if he wants to have any kind of county career.
Am I right in thinking that he got sent off against Mayo at minor in Tuam a couple of years ago and it more or less cost Galway that match as they were well on top until he got the line?
That's a bad habit to be getting and it's costing his side matches. Won't win many games playing with 14 men for most of it. Pity as he's a very good player.
Sending off that evening in Tuam was very harsh by all accounts. First yellow this evening was too, very innocuous and undangerous challenge; second yellow probably for the melee. (Val wouldn't always be the most moderate in his encouragement in any event.) Meanwhile a number of Roscommon players avoided black cards early in the match for dragging down Galway players when they were breaking through on goal; Galway fans rightfully a little disgruntled at Mayo ref.
Ros' better side though and will improve. Very poor Galway team, especially in defence, mgmt not hectic either, though they've had a difficult and disrupted week.
Jermone made a valiant attempt to even the odds in the last 45 minutes in fairness mouview. One of our subs was horse-collared three times but no foul was given.
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Great night for Roscommon football, a 3pt win that should have been 10 and some of our marquee players back in action if a little rusty. And one other little snippet Connacht minor league Ros 2-20 mayo 1-2, serves Mayo right for refusing to play the game as a curtain raiser in Kiltoom, happy days.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
A poor example of trolling or you don't realise that Roscommon seniors are competitive in division one?
Good win for Roscommon U21s I believe Galway were favourites to win that game.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
I'm sure they'll call you, Indy. Nobody knows more about modern football than you do, although you are far too modest to admit it.
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Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
I'm sure they'll call you, Indy. Nobody knows more about modern football than you do, although you are far too modest to admit it.
That's ok then so. As long as I'm consulted,
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
A pleasant surprise last night in Kiltoom.
Well worth the win and could/should have been more as we switched off completely when Galway got a free conceding a ridiculous goal.
Suddenly were were only 3 up and the fear of a Galway goal and extra time had the small enough Ros support stunned into silence.
However a well worked point by Compton eased the nerves.
We played very well at times and won the " middle half" of the game by around 0-13 to 1-3.
We conceded two very poor goals and had a lot of sides (as did Galway) but we still march on.
That was some scoreline from the Minor game and no marks at all to Prenty and his Rhus fixing it for the same evening as the U21 game.
Assuming it's a Ros v Mayo u21 CF, where will it be?
Longford ;D
We're due a home game and hopefully the Hyde will be able for games on successive days by then.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2016, 07:20:24 AM
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Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
I watched that game. There was one score between the sides approaching injury time. Cathal Mcshane was extremely lucky how he avoided red.
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What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
I watched that game. There was one score between the sides approaching injury time. Cathal Mcshane was extremely lucky how he avoided red.
And as I said, the scoreline was extremely flattering to Roscommon. They were comprehensively beaten in every sector of the field despite going into the game big favourites and playing in pretty much a home venue.
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What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
I watched that game. There was one score between the sides approaching injury time. Cathal Mcshane was extremely lucky how he avoided red.
And as I said, the scoreline was extremely flattering to Roscommon. They were comprehensively beaten in every sector of the field despite going into the game big favourites and playing in pretty much a home venue.
Favourites count for little at underage Tipp also beat Dublin that day. Roscommon didn't play well on the day Tyrone did however to be only one score ahead approaching injury time told its only tale. Would have been a different outcome if Tyrone had to play all of that 2nd half without Mcshane.
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What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
I watched that game. There was one score between the sides approaching injury time. Cathal Mcshane was extremely lucky how he avoided red.
Red hand tinted glasses me thinks from the Bomber
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2016, 07:20:24 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 11, 2016, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
What sort of hammer did Tyrone use "desperate dan" was it a sledge hammer? ;D
And a weak ref >:(
Anyway next Sat it's Laythrum v Rhus and Shliiigo v our lads.
Two years ago we were blessed to win in Marky park while there's no need to remind the Sligo lads of last year's effort.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 12, 2016, 02:08:32 PM
And a weak ref >:(
Anyway next Sat it's Laythrum v Rhus and Shliiigo v our lads.
Two years ago we were blessed to win in Marky park while there's no need to remind the Sligo lads of last year's effort.
I wouldn't go as far as to call it an effort. Their county board let them down big time.
Rarely easy to win no matter what team you have on the boggy and tight pitch in Marky. Most of these players have experienced it first hand a few times recently - v Sligo 2014 at U21, v Donegal at minor in 2014, v Sligo at senior last year and of course v Tyrone at U21 last year. Bad recent record on that pitch and it would be nice to excise those ghosts with a good performance next week.
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Quote from: INDIANA on March 11, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
What will Roscommon do now -that their claim to fame for being competitive is going?
Last year's Ros U-21 team very unlucky v Tyrone in Markevicz Park. It's unlikely that Tipp would have had the necessary firepower against them in the final.
Ros going just fine this year.
Not one bit unlucky, they got hammered off the park and if anything the scoreline flattered them, this after going in 4/7 favourites.
I watched that game. There was one score between the sides approaching injury time. Cathal Mcshane was extremely lucky how he avoided red.
Red hand tinted glasses me thinks from the Bomber
Not at all, it was a non-contest of a game.
I was at the game. Tyrone certainly deserved their win and their was no sour grapes from any Ros supporters at full time but to call it a non contest is stretching it a little do you not think?
I got the impression from Tyrone men around me on the day that they were delighted to be going in as underdogs and could barely conceal how much they fancied their chances. Fair play to them. The better team won and I congratulated all at full time but I'm delighted I wasn't near such a thundering bolox as yourself.
Rossies now play us yeah? We've a decent little side but I can't see us beating Ross.
Hearing Derry very impressive in Ulster this week. They beat us by 15 points in a challenge game recently
Quote from: ck on March 13, 2016, 12:30:31 AM
Rossies now play us yeah? We've a decent little side but I can't see us beating Ross.
Hearing Derry very impressive in Ulster this week. They beat us by 15 points in a challenge game recently
Not in the top five in Ulster apparently.
Yeah right. Well I've heard from men who were at our game with Derry that they were as good and as well drilled as they've seen.
Quote from: ck on March 13, 2016, 08:08:55 AM
Yeah right. Well I've heard from men who were at our game with Derry that they were as good and as well drilled as they've seen.
U never no just because a team was poor a minor level for a few yrs doesn't mean they won't get better as they get older. But I'd say it was a case of Antrim being brutal and making Derry look great
No disrespect to Antrim but it's pretty pointless trying to draw form lines from a win over them in Ulster. Derry v Donegal will be a different animal altogether in determining where Derry are at in the pecking order.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 13, 2016, 10:17:31 AM
No disrespect to Antrim but it's pretty pointless trying to draw form lines from a win over them in Ulster. Derry v Donegal will be a different animal altogether in determining where Derry are at in the pecking order.
Did Antrim minors beat Tyrone yesterday
Goal or two at the end won it for them man market. U17 game after it was a total hammering session
Are tg4 doing u21 highlights anymore?
any thoughts on tonights games.
Who do we fancy.
Armagh to take Down, Donegal to win and Monaghan?
Tyrone 06 Cavan 0-05 at ht. Cavan started much brighter and were 3-0 up, however, their shooting has been atrocious for the last 20 mins and have already wracked up 9 wides. Tyrone were shite for first quarter and McShane has dragged them back into the game with 4 points (one from a free).
Armagh hammering Down approaching ht and Monaghan were 5 nil up after the first quarter v Fermanagh.
Edit:
Donegal 0-09 Derry 0-03
Armagh 3-08 Down 0-03 (get your money on Armagh!!)
Monaghan 0-05 Fermanagh 0-03
Big wins for Kildare and Cork over Westmeath and Waterford.
Three point win for Kerry over Limerick.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
Big wins for Kildare and Cork over Westmeath and Waterford.
Three point win for Kerry over Limerick.
Wasn't that the great Westmeath team poor Tommy supposedly ruined.
Tyrone 2-10 Cavan 0-10 result
Armagh 5-16 0-9 Down.
Donegal beat Derry by a point after what appears to have been a storming fightback by Derry. 0-14 to 2-07. Ulster semis are:
Tyrone v Donegal
Monaghan v Armagh
What the eff is happening in Down?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
What the eff is happening in Down?
They're going Down.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Good result by Monaghan tonight. First half ended up tight enough but we scored 1-10 in the second and Fermanagh didn't raise a flag. Probably our best set of forwards at this level for a good while.
Tough test up next though, looks like Armagh gave Down a serious trimming.
Quote from: LeoMc on March 16, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
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What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
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What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
Armagh quite a young team
Down were awful but Armagh had a couple of top players
Oisin o Neill
Mc Kenna, mc cabe,mc partlan and hefron all will step into seniors
Still think the winner will come from the other semi final
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 16, 2016, 10:11:17 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
Calm down lad, hardly a massive statement. Down Gaa have just thrown the towel in. they are in a bad bad way!
Armagh are still 4th favourites in ulster.
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What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
Calm down lad, hardly a massive statement. Down Gaa have just thrown the towel in. they are in a bad bad way!
Armagh are still 4th favourites in ulster.
Exactly. We shouldn't be getting above our station.
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
Calm down lad, hardly a massive statement. Down Gaa have just thrown the towel in. they are in a bad bad way!
Armagh are still 4th favourites in ulster.
Exactly. We shouldn't be getting above our station.
Tug our forelocks abs pay dues to the greats!!
Tumbleweed in the Halls of the Aristocrats
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 16, 2016, 10:52:59 PM
Tumbleweed in the Halls of the Aristocrats
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Ha i love this!
Quote from: naka on March 16, 2016, 10:17:38 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
What the eff is happening in Down?
Tis a decent Armagh team.
Massive statement by Armagh tonight and look to be the team to follow.
Armagh quite a young team
Down were awful but Armagh had a couple of top players
Oisin o Neill
Mc Kenna, mc cabe,mc partlan and hefron all will step into seniors
Still think the winner will come from the other semi final
Yeah, Tyrone are ancient I hear. Average age as high as 20 ;D
So it's
Mayowestros v rest of Ros
Dublin v Kildare.
AISF Connacht v Leinster.
Donegal v Tyrone and Armagh v Monaghan
Kerry v Cork.
AISF Leinster v Ulster.
Westmeath bow out again.
Oh well, they'll always have 1999 I suppose.
Donegal beat Derry, Rossfan. :)
Quote from: Rossfan on March 17, 2016, 12:48:12 PM
So it's
Laythrum v Mayowestros and Sligo v rest of Ros
Dublin v Laois, winners v Kildare.
AISF Connacht v Leinster.
Derry v Tyrone and Armagh v Monaghan
Kerry v Cork.
AISF Leinster v Ulster.
Could be an all Leinster final :P
Quote from: Conallach on March 17, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
Donegal beat Derry, Rossfan. :)
Sorry about that - still thinking of last Sunday :-[ ;D
Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
Quote from: ck on March 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
Cork look a lot stronger than us at the moment to be honest. We're not functioning well as a unit, strangely for a Jack O'Connor team and we're over-endowed with light nippy forwards, but bereft of ball-winners up front apart from Killian Spillane.
We're at home to Cork alright but it's going to take a huge upswing in performance to win.
Quote from: ck on March 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
I don't mean to be rude ck but your predictions the past few years have been comically incorrect. Mayo are the minor champions for this year and we hammered that Kildare team in 2013 and outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
Carrai light nippy forwards are probably just what you want in U21.
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Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
Incorrect.
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Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
Incorrect.
Yous shit yourselves more like
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Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
Incorrect.
Yous shit yourselves more like
Something like that, Tyrone upped the stakes in the final 20 mins of that game and Roscommon couldn't live with them, they had absolutely no answer to McKenna who tore them apart.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
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Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
I don't mean to be rude ck but your predictions the past few years have been comically incorrect. Mayo are the minor champions for this year and we hammered that Kildare team in 2013 and outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
You were the better side, but you won by 5 points and you scored a goal in the first minute. Diramuid Murtagh was outstanding that day and was the real difference between the two sides.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: ck on March 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
I don't mean to be rude ck but your predictions the past few years have been comically incorrect. Mayo are the minor champions for this year and we hammered that Kildare team in 2013 and outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
Comically incorrect? Steady on. Ok I may have let heart rule head where Sligo minors are concerned but beyond that my predictions aren't too far away.
Mescal's move to corner back may be beneficial if the teams ever play again. Murtagh was the difference that day with Kildare playing far too attacking a game and giving oceans of space for them, Sean Dempsey wasn't great in goals that day either.
The style of football hasn't changed since but the personnel in defence has improved a lot. Con O'Callaghan is the biggest obstacle for now though.
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Quote from: ck on March 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Would expect it all to come down between Tyrone, Kerry and Kildare in the final shake-up
I don't mean to be rude ck but your predictions the past few years have been comically incorrect. Mayo are the minor champions for this year and we hammered that Kildare team in 2013 and outplayed the Tymoanies in the semi-final.
You were the better side, but you won by 5 points and you scored a goal in the first minute. Diramuid Murtagh was outstanding that day and was the real difference between the two sides.
Kildare were hyped to the hilt that day. We controlled the whole game even before you got a man sent off. Honestly though, I want to see a rematch between Roscommon and Kildare in the AISF. The Earleys bonded both counties in a meaningful way. I remember Johnny Doyle being dragged around the dance floor of Coney Island in Gothaganny the day the Dermot Earley statue was unveiled. One of my favourite players of all-time before that but you couldn't but love his down-to-earthness.
Let's play Sligo first Syfín ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on March 17, 2016, 11:34:45 PM
Let's play Sligo first Syfín ;)
Good call. We'll not beat yee but we'll tighten ye for sure. We have taken a few hammerings in challenge games recently so I don't think confidence will be high but I would expect a backs against yen wall performance.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2016, 11:10:58 PM
Kildare were hyped to the hilt that day. We controlled the whole game even before you got a man sent off. Honestly though, I want to see a rematch between Roscommon and Kildare in the AISF. The Earleys bonded both counties in a meaningful way. I remember Johnny Doyle being dragged around the dance floor of Coney Island in Gothaganny the day the Dermot Earley statue was unveiled. One of my favourite players of all-time before that but you couldn't but love his down-to-earthness.
The lack of a competitive game in Leinster probably didn't help Kildare either, they scored 10-68 in the 4 games in Leinster and to come out so flat in attack was very disappointing. The Westmeath game last night won't have helped either as Dublin (assuming they overcome a decent Laois team) will be more battle hardened coming into the final.
There will always be a respect for Roscommon in Kildare imo, even that epic qualifier defeat in Portlaoise remains a great GAA memory from my young days.
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Tumbleweed in the Halls of the Aristocrats
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Ha i love this!
Brilliant
Would fancy Kildare to beat Dublin after what I saw Wednesday night. They have pace and power around the middle and a really good inside forward line. Although we didn't help ourselves by continuously kicking the ball out into traffic. Needed a different kick out strategy than kick it to wherever Daniel Flynn isn't. Might have been competitive if the ref took action on the strike right in front of his nose but Kildare by far the better team. 20 of the panel under age again next year and now we know the level we need to be operating at so hopefully build towards that.
If ye'd only kept TomTommyTom.....
Team for tomorrow...
1.Matthew Flanagan (Balla)
2.Eddie Doran (Achill)
3.Seamus Cunniffe (Ballaghaderreen)
4.Ciaran Harrison (Aghamore)
5.David Kenny (Aghamore)
6.Michael Hall (Breaffy)
7.James Kelly (Belmullet)
8.Val Roughneen (Balla)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) Capt.
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
12. Diarmuid O Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
14. Brian Reape (Moy Davitts)
15. Fionan Duffy (Crossmolina)
16. Scott Kilker (Belmullet)
17. Shairoze Akram (Ballaghaderreen)
18. T.J Byrne (Kiltimagh)
19. Barry Duffy (Balla)
20. James Lyons (Aghamore)
21. Eoin O Donoghue (Belmullet)
22. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
23. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
24. Mikey Murray (Ballina)
9 of the 2013 minors final team starting, is that right?
Irwin is injured AFAIK. Shairoze is some sub to have...
Quote from: ballinaman on March 18, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
Team for tomorrow...
1.Matthew Flanagan (Balla)
2.Eddie Doran (Achill)
3.Seamus Cunniffe (Ballaghaderreen)
4.Ciaran Harrison (Aghamore)
5.David Kenny (Aghamore)
6.Michael Hall (Breaffy)
7.James Kelly (Belmullet)
8.Val Roughneen (Balla)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) Capt.
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
12. Diarmuid O Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
14. Brian Reape (Moy Davitts)
15. Fionan Duffy (Crossmolina)
16. Scott Kilker (Belmullet)
17. Shairoze Akram (Ballaghaderreen)
18. T.J Byrne (Kiltimagh)
19. Barry Duffy (Balla)
20. James Lyons (Aghamore)
21. Eoin O Donoghue (Belmullet)
22. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
23. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
24. Mikey Murray (Ballina)
9 of the 2013 minors final team starting, is that right?
Irwin is injured AFAIK. Shairoze is some sub to have...
Interesting that Seamus Cunniffe makes the cut. None of the FF line from 2013 even in the 26 for Mayo. Along with Hanley they were the drivers of that team. It will be interesting to see how they can cope with all four. Leitrim had a few nippy minor teams the last few seasons so if they've got a canny management team they won't be a walkover this year.
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Quote from: ballinaman on March 18, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
Team for tomorrow...
1.Matthew Flanagan (Balla)
2.Eddie Doran (Achill)
3.Seamus Cunniffe (Ballaghaderreen)
4.Ciaran Harrison (Aghamore)
5.David Kenny (Aghamore)
6.Michael Hall (Breaffy)
7.James Kelly (Belmullet)
8.Val Roughneen (Balla)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) Capt.
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
12. Diarmuid O Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
14. Brian Reape (Moy Davitts)
15. Fionan Duffy (Crossmolina)
16. Scott Kilker (Belmullet)
17. Shairoze Akram (Ballaghaderreen)
18. T.J Byrne (Kiltimagh)
19. Barry Duffy (Balla)
20. James Lyons (Aghamore)
21. Eoin O Donoghue (Belmullet)
22. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
23. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
24. Mikey Murray (Ballina)
9 of the 2013 minors final team starting, is that right?
Irwin is injured AFAIK. Shairoze is some sub to have...
Interesting that Seamus Cunniffe makes the cut. None of the FF line from 2013 even in the 26 for Mayo. Along with Hanley they were the drivers of that team. It will be interesting to see how they can cope with all four. Leitrim had a few nippy minor teams the last few seasons so if they've got a canny management team they won't be a walkover this year.
Tommy Conroy is injured. Darragh Doherty RIP and Liam Irwin will be back for the Connacht final, there's your FF line from 2013. Hanley didn't play in the final.
Reape is a goal machine.
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Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 18, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
Team for tomorrow...
1.Matthew Flanagan (Balla)
2.Eddie Doran (Achill)
3.Seamus Cunniffe (Ballaghaderreen)
4.Ciaran Harrison (Aghamore)
5.David Kenny (Aghamore)
6.Michael Hall (Breaffy)
7.James Kelly (Belmullet)
8.Val Roughneen (Balla)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) Capt.
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
12. Diarmuid O Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
14. Brian Reape (Moy Davitts)
15. Fionan Duffy (Crossmolina)
16. Scott Kilker (Belmullet)
17. Shairoze Akram (Ballaghaderreen)
18. T.J Byrne (Kiltimagh)
19. Barry Duffy (Balla)
20. James Lyons (Aghamore)
21. Eoin O Donoghue (Belmullet)
22. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
23. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
24. Mikey Murray (Ballina)
9 of the 2013 minors final team starting, is that right?
Irwin is injured AFAIK. Shairoze is some sub to have...
Interesting that Seamus Cunniffe makes the cut. None of the FF line from 2013 even in the 26 for Mayo. Along with Hanley they were the drivers of that team. It will be interesting to see how they can cope with all four. Leitrim had a few nippy minor teams the last few seasons so if they've got a canny management team they won't be a walkover this year.
Tommy Conroy is injured. Darragh Doherty RIP and Liam Irwin will be back for the Connacht final, there's your FF line from 2013. Hanley didn't play in the final.
Reape is a goal machine.
Hanley played very well in the crunch games in 2013, which were Galway and Roscommon. Westmeath and Monaghan were walkovers but Hanley was probably MotM in the semi-final. Tyrone were kept at arm's length in the final too.
The reason he didn't play the final was because a dirty shot by a Monaghan player broke his collarbone in the AISF. He suffered horrendous injuries in the AISFs in both 2013 and 2014.
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2016, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 18, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 18, 2016, 03:13:48 PM
Team for tomorrow...
1.Matthew Flanagan (Balla)
2.Eddie Doran (Achill)
3.Seamus Cunniffe (Ballaghaderreen)
4.Ciaran Harrison (Aghamore)
5.David Kenny (Aghamore)
6.Michael Hall (Breaffy)
7.James Kelly (Belmullet)
8.Val Roughneen (Balla)
9. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) Capt.
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
12. Diarmuid O Connor (Ballintubber)
13. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
14. Brian Reape (Moy Davitts)
15. Fionan Duffy (Crossmolina)
16. Scott Kilker (Belmullet)
17. Shairoze Akram (Ballaghaderreen)
18. T.J Byrne (Kiltimagh)
19. Barry Duffy (Balla)
20. James Lyons (Aghamore)
21. Eoin O Donoghue (Belmullet)
22. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
23. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
24. Mikey Murray (Ballina)
9 of the 2013 minors final team starting, is that right?
Irwin is injured AFAIK. Shairoze is some sub to have...
Interesting that Seamus Cunniffe makes the cut. None of the FF line from 2013 even in the 26 for Mayo. Along with Hanley they were the drivers of that team. It will be interesting to see how they can cope with all four. Leitrim had a few nippy minor teams the last few seasons so if they've got a canny management team they won't be a walkover this year.
Tommy Conroy is injured. Darragh Doherty RIP and Liam Irwin will be back for the Connacht final, there's your FF line from 2013. Hanley didn't play in the final.
Reape is a goal machine.
Hanley played very well in the crunch games in 2013, which were Galway and Roscommon. Westmeath and Monaghan were walkovers but Hanley was probably MotM in the semi-final. Tyrone were kept at arm's length in the final too.
The reason he didn't play the final was because a dirty shot by a Monaghan player broke his collarbone in the AISF. He suffered horrendous injuries in the AISFs in both 2013 and 2014.
Bizarre and contradictory logic toward your crunch game argument.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 18, 2016, 10:09:53 AM
Needed a different kick out strategy than kick it to wherever Daniel Flynn isn't.
That was his younger brother Luke Flynn.
Good to see those forwards going well again. Our U21 full forward line is probably a lot better than the senior one that we've been starting recently.
All the best to the Mayo u21s today. Should have enough with that team to win today.
Dubs v Laois result:
Dubs 2-17
Laois 2-5
Colm Basquel of Ballyboden scored 1-3 for the Dubs. He's had some week.
Result from Connacht Minor League....Roscommon 3-12, Sligo 0-7
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
Dubs v Laois result:
Dubs 2-17
Laois 2-5
Colm Basquel of Ballyboden scored 1-3 for the Dubs. He's had some week.
Dublin will have to be favourites now as that was a decent Laois team.
Mayo 2.05 Leitrim 0.06 .late first half.Ros 1.07 Sligo 0.05 ht
Quote from: maigheo on March 19, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
Mayo 2.05 Leitrim 0.06 .late first half.Ros 1.07 Sligo 0.05 ht
Hear Leitrim are very unlucky to be 5 down.
Leinster MFL Final
Dubs 1-15
Laois 0-9
Mayo with an early goal in second half to go 3.07 to 0.07 ahead
For a change the Mayo defense is the weakest sector of the team.Brian Reape with 2.04 as Mayo lead 4.10 to 0.07.!4 min to go
Sligo had no support today. It was sad to see them outnumbered so massively in Marky which is usually a fortress for Sligo teams. Some standout performances by Mullooly, Walsh and Darcy but everyone did their part. Nothing too hectic but dealing with being favourites is something the lads handled well. Good to see Harney back, his touch was a little rough but this was exactly when he should be getting through the bad disel with the Connacht final coming up.
Expecting a really good game in the final.
Sligo had plenty of supporters in marky today, we just had nothing to support as both Sligo teams were very poor.
Well done Roscommon, much the better team in both games.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
Dubs v Laois result:
Dubs 2-17
Laois 2-5
Colm Basquel of Ballyboden scored 1-3 for the Dubs. He's had some week.
Scored it off the bench too.
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 19, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
Sligo had plenty of supporters in marky today, we just had nothing to support as both Sligo teams were very poor.
Well done Roscommon, much the better team in both games.
Ye did not. The silence when the Sligo teams came onto the field spoke for itself. Very few Sligo supporters to be seen. Until the supporters start turning up and putting their wallets where their mouths are Sligo will always be fighting a battle from the bottom of the mountain each time they play.
Good wins for Roscommon,Dublin and Mayo. The Leinster and Connacht finals has potential to be great games.
Not a great show by our buckeens at all but still won comfortably.
Too defensive a game plan/ mindset meant we were so often taking so much out of the ball when a quick through ball to a forward running into space would be theright thing to do.
Still getting to the Final was the requirement and now its done.
Be great to have the Final as a double header with the Dublin game but I suspect JP won'tbe having that..
If we keep a clean sheet we will probably win it.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2016, 09:48:48 PM
Not a great show by our buckeens at all but still won comfortably.
Too defensive a game plan/ mindset meant we were so often taking so much out of the ball when a quick through ball to a forward running into space would be theright thing to do.
Still getting to the Final was the requirement and now its done.
Be great to have the Final as a double header with the Dublin game but I suspect JP won'tbe having that..
If we keep a clean sheet we will probably win it.
Ffs and you'd be grand if it was visa versa IE a double header in Castlebar before a league game v Dublin ?
Wouldn't give our bucks much of a chance against a forward line like Roscommons , our defence seemed to be very easily opened up tonight v Leitrim .
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
Not uncommon though. Neither of the Galway sides that won the U-21 All-Irelands in 2011 and 2013 won Connacht at minor level before that.
Quote from: Syferus on March 19, 2016, 07:30:21 PM
Sligo had no support today. It was sad to see them outnumbered so massively in Marky which is usually a fortress for Sligo teams. Some standout performances by Mullooly, Walsh and Darcy but everyone did their part. Nothing too hectic but dealing with being favourites is something the lads handled well. Good to see Harney back, his touch was a little rough but this was exactly when he should be getting through the bad disel with the Connacht final coming up.
Expecting a really good game in the final.
It's a hard ask to expect a big turn out when expectation was so low. Our 21s have taken a few bad beatings coming into this game which led to supporters apathy.
That's a really decent Rossie side and there'll be very little between them and Mayo. My only criticism is that yee are too defensive when yee have the players to be more attacking.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2016, 03:10:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Usual story in Munster. Dubs with Basquel back are contenders. Nothing between Mayo and Ross in Connacht and in Ulster I'd disagree with you, despite a big win for Armagh I think Monaghan will beat them but it's Tyrones to loose.
Quote from: ck on March 20, 2016, 04:49:46 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2016, 03:10:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Usual story in Munster. Dubs with Basquel back are contenders. Nothing between Mayo and Ross in Connacht and in Ulster I'd disagree with you, despite a big win for Armagh I think Monaghan will beat them but it's Tyrones to loose.
I would imagine the Monaghan v Armagh game will be close, as will the other semifinal. Donegal have had a couple of good minor teams recently but Tyrone have pedigree at this level. The winners should come from that semi final.
Quote from: ck on March 20, 2016, 04:49:46 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2016, 03:10:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Usual story in Munster. Dubs with Basquel back are contenders. Nothing between Mayo and Ross in Connacht and in Ulster I'd disagree with you, despite a big win for Armagh I think Monaghan will beat them but it's Tyrones to loose.
I'd be surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal. We've lost 10 of our starting team from last year's final, including the starting 6 defenders and most of this year's side are underage again next year. We seem to be heavily reliant on McShane and Burns. Donegal have a more physical side that us and were minus a few important players due to injury against Derry, should they return I would expect them to beat us. Not too sure how good Armagh are, Down GAA is such a mess at the minute you can't read much into it. From what I understand they have some very good players but a lot of them are only in their first year at this grade and it will probably be down the line where they challenge for honours. Monaghan will be decent but I expect the winner to come from the Tyrone-Donegal semi and I expect Donegal to edge that one.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
Where as it will be disappointing it will not be surprising , Roscommon will be odds on to win Connacht . Very poor defensively Mayo and Roscommon very strong in the forward department , suggests a comprehensive victory for Roscommon in Hyde park on 2nd of April .
Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
The punters disagreeing with Captain Obvious in Leinster.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2016, 03:10:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 20, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Not sure which pundits you are listening to but it would be Donegal, Tyrone, and hard to split monaghan/armagh. They hammered an extremely poor Down side!
Tyrone supporters seem to be writing of our u21 side already but this team played the all ireland final v mayo this minor year. Granted they lost their best player but still a good side
For me it's a Monaghan Tyrone Ulster final
And it's a toss up as to the winner
Would love Armagh to get through Monaghan
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 20, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
Kerry should have a very good side but don't seem to be firing having struggled to beat Tipp and Limerick in their 2 outings to date. I don't see how they are favourites to win the whole thing.
Quote from: orangeman on March 21, 2016, 12:36:04 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 20, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
Kerry should have a very good side but don't seem to be firing having struggled to beat Tipp and Limerick in their 2 outings to date. I don't see how they are favourites to win the whole thing.
Jacko.
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Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
Kerry should have a very good side but don't seem to be firing having struggled to beat Tipp and Limerick in their 2 outings to date. I don't see how they are favourites to win the whole thing.
Jacko.
And back to back county minor All Irelands and Hogan cups might have something to do with it also.
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Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
Kerry should have a very good side but don't seem to be firing having struggled to beat Tipp and Limerick in their 2 outings to date. I don't see how they are favourites to win the whole thing.
Jacko.
And back to back county minor All Irelands and Hogan cups might have something to do with it also.
Mainly Jacko.
Managers need good players too.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Managers need good players too.
If there is one thing Jacko is best at, I think it's identifying the right crop of players and timing his jobs right.
When was the last time a decent manager took a bad bunch of players and turned them around and made them into champions? Or even contenders?
Apart from in the movies?
Managers always look a lot better when working with talent.
Donegal would have been a dramatic upgrade I suppose.
Kerry have a long injury list and have been missing a lot of their best players. Tipperary had a strong team this year, and Limerick were decent too.
If Kerry can get something close to their best team fit and on the field, they should be formidable. If the Munster final comes too soon for that, they may be in trouble against Cork.
Yup I had heard from connections in Kerry that they are missing a serious chunk of their best players with injury - something like 8 likely/possible starters. Jack isn't likely to receive any flack this year if they don't win it but next year he might be in a bit of bother. They might come good depending on how many come back but don't go near them in terms of betting.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 21, 2016, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Managers need good players too.
If there is one thing Jacko is best at, I think it's identifying the right crop of players and timing his jobs right.
Yes Jacko is very clever and he wouldnt have taken over the Kerry U21s if he didn't think they could win the AI within the next two years.
I'd have more respect for a manager who takes over a team he doesn't selfishly see as a good bet. You could win nothing as an underage manger but still do an excellent job. It's about the greater good. Jacko has a wild enough ego for a man who couldn't beat Tyrone.
Quote from: Syferus on March 21, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
I'd have more respect for a manager who takes over a team he doesn't selfishly see as a good bet. You could win nothing as an underage manger but still do an excellent job. It's about the greater good. Jacko has a wild enough ego for a man who couldn't beat Tyrone.
I'd tend to agree with you. I'm just saying that Jack tends to time these things well. I don't think he'd be one for the Micko roadshow.
Quote from: Syferus on March 21, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
I'd have more respect for a manager who takes over a team he doesn't selfishly see as a good bet. You could win nothing as an underage manger but still do an excellent job. It's about the greater good. Jacko has a wild enough ego for a man who couldn't beat Tyrone.
I doubt if he knows of your existence Syfín never mind looking for your respect ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2016, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 21, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
I'd have more respect for a manager who takes over a team he doesn't selfishly see as a good bet. You could win nothing as an underage manger but still do an excellent job. It's about the greater good. Jacko has a wild enough ego for a man who couldn't beat Tyrone.
I doubt if he knows of your existence Syfín never mind looking for your respect ;D
I'd be happy if I didn't know about his existence. Paudi might not have been as good a manager but he was far easier to like.
tyrone at eights seem good odds
Quote from: skeog on March 21, 2016, 08:06:26 PM
tyrone at eights seem good odds
Tyrones record at underage in the All Ireland series the last 20 years is as good as any of the remaining teams if not better. If Tyrone win Ulster they will be the team to beat in my opinion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 21, 2016, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Managers need good players too.
If there is one thing Jacko is best at, I think it's identifying the right crop of players and timing his jobs right.
I actually think there's three things he is good at. There's his Ability to time his jobs right and his ability to spot a good team to work with.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 21, 2016, 01:45:33 AM
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Down to the last ten
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 5/1
Dublin 5/1
Kildare 5/1
Cork 6/1
Roscommon 7/1
Tyrone 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Armagh 14/1
Monaghan 20/1
Monaghan the outsider even though they won Ulster minor 3 years ago, i think that suggests the overall quality of this years U-21 All Ireland championship.
Kerry should have a very good side but don't seem to be firing having struggled to beat Tipp and Limerick in their 2 outings to date. I don't see how they are favourites to win the whole thing.
Those odds look interesting. Rosscommon at 7/1 is generous. Monaghan and Tyrone decent.
Kildare will beat Dubs
I've had this debate hundreds of times with people (even some in South Kerry!) and yes, Jack is no fool. He has timed his involvement well with a couple of teams, no doubt.
However, his record speaks for itself and cannot be explained away with good timing. Take last years minors for example. They were more or less spoken about by some as being the "gap year" between excellent 2014 and 2016/17 teams, but they won the AI and the 2 crucial games in the campaign (Cork and Derry) would have been lost had the previous Kerry minor management been in situ IMO.
Of course, the real clincher in this debate is the turnaround with the Kerry Senior team under Jack post-2003. We had fallen well behind in the physical and tactical side and we're walloped by Tyrone in 2003. If Tyrone had played a more attacking game that day they could have won by 15 pts.
Jack brought in (for the 1st time ever) a a non-Kerry native to train the team, Pat Flanagan, Kerry reached 6 finals in a row and won 4 of them and THAT, really set the tone for Kerry Squads ever since.
Aidan O'Mahony, Paul Galvin, Marc O'Sé for example were all either stagnating or flagging in their Kerry careeers under Paidí and look where they ended up after Jack put faith in them in 2004 and after.
On more thread-tied matters, no idea how Cork are underdogs for the u21 Munster/AI given their totally superior form to what Kerry have shown. Kerry would beat Cork if at full strength I think but we are a long way off that at the moment and not going well even with what we have.
Hard to believe Mayo are so lowly priced.
Quote from: moysider on March 22, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
Hard to believe Mayo are so lowly priced.
Defending champs.
Connacht Final i bPàirc De hÍde De Sathairn 2ú Aibreàn ag 6 I.n.
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
I know a local bookie who has Tyrone joint favs for u21 All-Ireland and he mentioned this. Crazy but true
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
Quote from: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
I see you have your usual wonderful turn of phrase redhandwhatever.
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Quote from: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
I see you have your usual wonderful turn of phrase redhandwhatever.
And can't see the obvious joke in Syfín's post.
We Connacht lads need to put an oul ;D every time we post a joke for the benefit of the literal minded Ulster bucks.
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Quote from: giveballaghback on March 25, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
I see you have your usual wonderful turn of phrase redhandwhatever.
And can't see the obvious joke in Syfín's post.
We Connacht lads need to put an oul ;D every time we post a joke for the benefit of the literal minded Ulster bucks.
Do ye put those smileys beside your performances outside of Connacht? Will you be dumped out of the AI series by a fourth different county from the O6 for the fourth year running this year?
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 25, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
I see you have your usual wonderful turn of phrase redhandwhatever.
"whatever" what are ye a 13 year old american school girl. Whats your problem/point with me
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2016, 10:27:16 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 25, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 24, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 24, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
tyrone not bad at 8/1. don't forget tyrone's u-21 all-irelands in the nineties and noughties were won back to back!
Unless Tyrone are fudging the birth certs I don't think those lads will be able to help win this one.
Ha few wins in the league and yous are the c**ks of the walk. I say it again, this group got to an AI final! We get out of ulster i would fear anyone
I see you have your usual wonderful turn of phrase redhandwhatever.
And can't see the obvious joke in Syfín's post.
We Connacht lads need to put an oul ;D every time we post a joke for the benefit of the literal minded Ulster bucks.
Fair point, i read that wrong, long week, 6am start, apologies!
Cork should be 6/4 or so to beat Kerry and I think they will. It's in Tralee but Rebel teams have won there before.
Hope you've had your beauty sleep redhand and chilled a little, not all things football are in your face as a 13 year american girl would say ;D
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 26, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Hope you've had your beauty sleep redhand and chilled a little, not all things football are in your face as a 13 year american girl would say ;D
I stand by my comment to you sista
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2016, 07:23:07 AM
Cork should be 6/4 or so to beat Kerry and I think they will. It's in Tralee but Rebel teams have won there before.
Best price I've seen is 6/5 for Cork - maybe wait and see what the lineups look like and see if that moves the market anyway.
@redhand What are yous like this year for an All Ireland. I've back yous at 7/2.
The venue for the U21 final has to change.
Quote from: ck on March 26, 2016, 04:19:07 PM
@redhand What are yous like this year for an All Ireland. I've back yous at 7/2.
Impossible to say as i dont know what stage most of the opposition are at yet
Quote from: redhandefender on March 27, 2016, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: ck on March 26, 2016, 04:19:07 PM
@redhand What are yous like this year for an All Ireland. I've back yous at 7/2.
Impossible to say as i dont know what stage most of the opposition are at yet
Last 10 teams
Kerry v Cork
Dublin v Kildare
Roscommon v Mayo
Tyrone v Donegal
Monaghan v Armagh
Anyone care to predict where the Connacht Final will be played?
Tuam or Carrick?
Kiltoom is what a lot of people seem to be saying.
Markievicz 6pm Saturday.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/03/live-radio-tyrone-v-donegal-ulster-u21-championship-semi-final-wed-30th-march-from-750pm/
Radio link for our semi tonight. Any Donegal men provide an analysis of their team's chances?
Sounds like Donegal are dominating us at Celtic Park, by the sounds of it Donegal should be out of sight but are only 3 points ahead.
Our big players like McShane, Burns and Brennan don't seem to be having any impact, whatsoever.
Looks a very impressive Donegal team.
Tyrone 2 points down at HT but from the commentary they seem to be blessed to be that close in range.
Monaghan lead Armagh by 2 points in the other semi.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 30, 2016, 08:25:50 PM
Sounds like Donegal are dominating us at Celtic Park, by the sounds of it Donegal should be out of sight but are only 3 points ahead.
Our big players like McShane, Burns and Brennan don't seem to be having any impact, whatsoever.
Wouldn't be the first time that a Tyrone underage team are dominated out of the game first half and then somehow sneak the win 2nd half.
9-6 Monaghan up at half time
Hefron black carded
They have scored last 5 scores
Look the stronger team
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 30, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 30, 2016, 08:25:50 PM
Sounds like Donegal are dominating us at Celtic Park, by the sounds of it Donegal should be out of sight but are only 3 points ahead.
Our big players like McShane, Burns and Brennan don't seem to be having any impact, whatsoever.
Wouldn't be the first time that a Tyrone underage team are dominated out of the game first half and then somehow sneak the win 2nd half.
Indeed. 1-6 to 0-6 to Tyrone now
Monaghan goal, up 1-10 to 0-8.
D 1-07 T 1-06
Donegal back in front
1-07 to 1-06.
Both Donegal midfielders gone in 10 seconds - one for a black card, one for 2 yellas.
Donegal down to 14.
Looks like The Barry Cassidy Show in flow, a clown of a referee.
Lee Brennan has levelled matters.
Down to 13 now >:(
Donegal down to 13.
They seem to have lost the plot.
Monaghan 1-13 Armagh 0-8
Tyrone 1-13 Donegal 1-07. Great second half by ourselves. Donegal three substitutes two yellow carded other one sent off.
1-14 to 1-08
Did Armagh not come out for the second half?
Monaghan 2-15 Armagh 0-9
Looks like a Tyrone v Monaghan final. Was to be expected as they met each other 3 years ago in the ulster minor final
Penalty for Donegal to bring it back to 3.
Tyrone score another and its all over!!!
Great result and we really seemed to have upped it in the second half. Hard to read how much of it was to do with the Donegal implosion and our lads upping it but great result against a very good Donegal side.
Monaghan 2-16 Armagh 0-9 FT
Great second half.
Repeat of the 2013 minor final it is. I'll take another injury time winner!
Well done Tyrone. We failed to register the scores in the first half that our performance and possession should have given us. The sendings off ended the contest really. Brennan from Tyrone seemed to have a powerful game.
Yet another Donegal U21/Minor team under-performing versus expectations. Questions to be answered.
Who was Donegal manager
Declan Bonner.
Your question is answered Stephen then
Quote from: StephenC on March 30, 2016, 09:30:04 PM
Well done Tyrone. We failed to register the scores in the first half that our performance and possession should have given us. The sendings off ended the contest really. Brennan from Tyrone seemed to have a powerful game.
Yet another Donegal U21/Minor team under-performing versus expectations. Questions to be answered.
Yes playing the last 15 mins with 13 players there was only going to be one winner. A night of what might have been for Donegal.
Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
Any body at it. According to radio Donegal subs came on after the whistle and a bit of a meele got going
Quote from: StephenC on March 30, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
Hopefully nothing too serious
Some video here
https://twitter.com/docsport3/status/715272621336735744
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:42:15 PM
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Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
f**k up for once syresus would u
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
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Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
Obviously, you know more than the official enquiry into the incident by the Ulster Council? Did they ask you for your evidence?
Quote from: redzone on March 30, 2016, 09:54:30 PM
f**k up for once syresus would u
Yer were gearing up the big red tractor to run over Bonner because he had the balls to report what the fecking playing himself said last year. It had to be said.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
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Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
Obviously, you know more than the official enquiry into the incident by the Ulster Council? Did they ask you for your evidence?
Ah, the old no evidence chestnut. Not going to go into it any further than this because it's already been said, but even a child could tell you factually proving someone said something to someone else is nearly impossible. The fact is the player had zero reason to lie about something so serious so to even intimate he did is an incredible insult, above and beyond what the Tyrone player did.
F
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 30, 2016, 09:54:30 PM
f**k up for once syresus would u
Yer were gearing up the big red tractor to run over Bonner because he had the balls to report what the fecking playing himself said last year. It had to be said.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 30, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
Obviously, you know more than the official enquiry into the incident by the Ulster Council? Did they ask you for your evidence?
Ah, the old no evidence chestnut. Not going to go into it any further than this because it's already been said, but even a child could tell you factually proving someone said something to someone else is nearly impossible. The fact is the player had zero reason to lie about something so serious so to even intimate he did is an incredible insult, above and beyond what the Tyrone player did.
:D I stopped reading after this.
Tyrone involved in another bust up, no surprise there. Armagh and Fermanagh got €5k fines for a bit of handbag pushing in a recent league match so I'd say Tyrone and Donegal may get the purse strings well loosened after that tonight.
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 30, 2016, 09:54:30 PM
f**k up for once syresus would u
Yer were gearing up the big red tractor to run over Bonner because he had the balls to report what the fecking playing himself said last year. It had to be said.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 30, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
Obviously, you know more than the official enquiry into the incident by the Ulster Council? Did they ask you for your evidence?
Ah, the old no evidence chestnut. Not going to go into it any further than this because it's already been said, but even a child could tell you factually proving someone said something to someone else is nearly impossible. The fact is the player had zero reason to lie about something so serious so to even intimate he did is an incredible insult, above and beyond what the Tyrone player did.
Even those who reported the initial allegations now accept what they alleged happened did not take place. You're on your own making these allegation.
When you get back to school after your mid term you can go back to picking up the crayons and colouring in Sam coming home on the yellow bus, it's the closest you'll get to seeing it in reality.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 30, 2016, 09:54:30 PM
f**k up for once syresus would u
Yer were gearing up the big red tractor to run over Bonner because he had the balls to report what the fecking playing himself said last year. It had to be said.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 30, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 30, 2016, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 30, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 30, 2016, 09:32:34 PM
Your question is answered Stephen then
Aye, maybe so.
Bit of a set-to after the whistle by the sounds of it.
If Declan runs to the media to blame someone for the set-to, I hope that he gets his facts right first this time.
He got them right the last time. Can't believe there's people so brazen as to still try to wash away sledging about a lads dead father.
Obviously, you know more than the official enquiry into the incident by the Ulster Council? Did they ask you for your evidence?
Ah, the old no evidence chestnut. Not going to go into it any further than this because it's already been said, but even a child could tell you factually proving someone said something to someone else is nearly impossible. The fact is the player had zero reason to lie about something so serious so to even intimate he did is an incredible insult, above and beyond what the Tyrone player did.
:D I stopped reading after this.
You should have know better to start at all.
Tyrone were all over the place in the first half but hung in there. Donegal were winning all the battles and were playing some great football. Hats off to the Tyrone management they quickly made changes required. Second half Tyrone started winning ball around the middle and stopped Donegals number 7 making runs from half back. Tyrone fired a few high balls into Coleman in FF and he ended up with 1.2. The high balls forced Donegal back a bit. They had to protect their full back which left a bit of room out the field for Tyrone to exploit. Once Donegal went behind they seemed to lose their discipline and there was only going to be one winner. Donegal needn't worry about the future some of their players were very impressive, especially no 12 who's a class footballer.
Feck me came in here to hear some reports on the match this evening only to fins Sy is still on his U21 Tyrone obsession ::)
Since you follow Tyrone so closely I would have thought you knew that there was evidence in that case Syf and there was a definitive conclusion reached.
Hows the bus anyway? I see its now a long term investment rather than a functioning piece of equipment, I had a healthy laugh at that but declined to rub the salt into your wounds anymore. Tell us this... is everyone in Roscommon a deranged spoofer or is it just you and Cake?
Kavanagh and Burns were very good for Tyrone, don't know the ref saw the ball touched on the ground for the penalty. hopefully we can keep winning in Celtic park.
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 12:23:43 AM
Feck me came in here to hear some reports on the match this evening only to fins Sy is still on his U21 Tyrone obsession ::)
Since you follow Tyrone so closely I would have thought you knew that there was evidence in that case Syf and there was a definitive conclusion reached.
Hows the bus anyway? I see its now a long term investment rather than a functioning piece of equipment, I had a healthy laugh at that but declined to rub the salt into your wounds anymore. Tell us this... is everyone in Roscommon a deranged spoofer or is it just you and Cake?
Any possibility that the flare up at the end was caused by one of the Tyrone staff calling a Donegal player a 'fenian bastrd'?
Told this was a side to be watched, people writing them off. They got to sn all ireland minor final with a bad managament in place Fergal and the boys seem clued in. I fancy them to beat a good monaghan side.
Also someone here was tipping armagh for ulster?
I hope bonner does run to the media again or whatever other donegal fella wants tos! #siegementality #wereonourown
I wouldn't say Declan Bonner was out of order at the end, but even the steward was taking off his hi vis jacket to get a slap at him!
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 12:23:43 AM
Feck me came in here to hear some reports on the match this evening only to fins Sy is still on his U21 Tyrone obsession ::)
Since you follow Tyrone so closely I would have thought you knew that there was evidence in that case Syf and there was a definitive conclusion reached.
Hows the bus anyway? I see its now a long term investment rather than a functioning piece of equipment, I had a healthy laugh at that but declined to rub the salt into your wounds anymore. Tell us this... is everyone in Roscommon a deranged spoofer or is it just you and Cake?
Any possibility that the flare up at the end was caused by one of the Tyrone staff calling a Donegal player a 'fenian bastrd'?
Any possibility yous will get the bunting out for us for the final? ;)
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 03:17:17 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 12:23:43 AM
Feck me came in here to hear some reports on the match this evening only to fins Sy is still on his U21 Tyrone obsession ::)
Since you follow Tyrone so closely I would have thought you knew that there was evidence in that case Syf and there was a definitive conclusion reached.
Hows the bus anyway? I see its now a long term investment rather than a functioning piece of equipment, I had a healthy laugh at that but declined to rub the salt into your wounds anymore. Tell us this... is everyone in Roscommon a deranged spoofer or is it just you and Cake?
Any possibility that the flare up at the end was caused by one of the Tyrone staff calling a Donegal player a 'fenian bastrd'?
Any possibility yous will get the bunting out for us for the final? ;)
Currently, that's the most definite answer in the negative existing on the planet, therefore it can be said with an air of absolute certainty that no Donegal player was called a fenian baxtard.
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 03:32:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 03:17:17 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 31, 2016, 12:23:43 AM
Feck me came in here to hear some reports on the match this evening only to fins Sy is still on his U21 Tyrone obsession ::)
Since you follow Tyrone so closely I would have thought you knew that there was evidence in that case Syf and there was a definitive conclusion reached.
Hows the bus anyway? I see its now a long term investment rather than a functioning piece of equipment, I had a healthy laugh at that but declined to rub the salt into your wounds anymore. Tell us this... is everyone in Roscommon a deranged spoofer or is it just you and Cake?
Any possibility that the flare up at the end was caused by one of the Tyrone staff calling a Donegal player a 'fenian bastrd'?
Any possibility yous will get the bunting out for us for the final? ;)
Currently, that's the most definite answer in the negative existing on the planet, therefore it can be said with an air of absolute certainty that no Donegal player was called a fenian baxtard.
Currently, that's the most definite answer in the negative existing on the planet, therefore it can be said with an air of absolute certainty that no Tyrone bunting will be out in the Farney.....oh well.... we dont really bother until August these days either so I suppose yous can get a pass
Quote from: redhandefender on March 31, 2016, 12:50:56 AM
Told this was a side to be watched, people writing them off. They got to sn all ireland minor final with a bad managament in place Fergal and the boys seem clued in. I fancy them to beat a good monaghan side.
Also someone here was tipping armagh for ulster?
I hope bonner does run to the media again or whatever other donegal fella wants tos! #siegementality #wereonourown
I saw on the match programme that Dooher is listed as the manager this year.
fergal logan very emotional at the end saying it was more than a football match in reference to allegations last year from fear rua DB
Why is it always Tyrone?
No escape whether it's minors, u21 or seniors.
It's the DTs
Death, Taxes and Tyrone.
Just catching up with this game now and watched the Fergal Logan video there.
What exactly happened at the end?
Was it a nasty match throughout or just near the end when Donegal realised they weren't gonna win?
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 11:50:33 AM
Why is it always Tyrone?
No escape whether it's minors, u21 or seniors.
It's the DTs
Death, Taxes and Tyrone.
One guarantee with monaghan, quarter final defeat, mc manus allstar and not much else to talk about!
It think the fact Donegal finished with 13 says it all
I can't believe Fergal Logan brought that disgusting incedent up again. WHY? What good can that do? A young lad is taunted about his dead Dad, it's handled very badly by everyone and a year later the Tyrone u21 manager in his wisdom trawls it up again? Incredible!
Some of you lads are a bit slow on the uptake, here is a link from a Donegal newspaper taking a Donegal slant on the story and confirms that he DIDN'T insult the young lads recently deceased father.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/06/revealed-what-ulster-gaa-investigation-did-find-in-minor-sledging-row/
In case you lot don't want to buy into the narrative I will post the following:
The report found that "on balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence, it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments towards the Donegal player during the game."
The investigation report went on however: "Both County Committees and the Investigation Committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father."
Clearly the lad was 'mouthing' (which I personally detest and will condemn every time it occurs) but the fact the Bonner took this straight to the media, resulting in pretty severe repercussions for the Tyrone lad via social media, was beyond a joke. So Ferghal is perfectly entitled to feel very strongly about this issue and I am sure that was a sweet victory last night.
Perhaps the clowns around here, who continue to roll out their prejudiced bullshit, will grasp the fact that their narrative is wrong and will educate themselves on the true events.
My understanding is that the young lad in question was never questioned by the Ulster council and Donegal people have no doubt that it happened. Whether it happened or not is there any good can come out of the Tyrone u21 manager raking it up again?
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
My understanding is that the young lad in question was never questioned by the Ulster council and Donegal people have no doubt that it happened. Whether it happened or not is there any good can come out of the Tyrone u21 manager raking it up again?
You're talking out of your hole, did you hear what Kevin Cassidy said regarding the subject of the allegations, who was a club mate of his own and who was close friend of his father?
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
I can't believe Fergal Logan brought that disgusting incedent up again. WHY? What good can that do? A young lad is taunted about his dead Dad, it's handled very badly by everyone and a year later the Tyrone u21 manager in his wisdom trawls it up again? Incredible!
ck what about the 2 young lads that were accused in the first place. Any thoughts on them or is it a case they are from Tyrone they don't matter in all this.
Declan Bonner comes onto the field and appears to clip a Tyrone player and yet Fergal Logan is the man getting the blame this morning. Amazing.
Bonner hit a young lad?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 31, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
Declan Bonner comes onto the field and appears to clip a Tyrone player and yet Fergal Logan is the man getting the blame this morning. Amazing.
Bonner actually hit a Tyrone player last night?
My understanding is that some of the Tyrone team said something to Bonner and he struck out and hit one, which then started the ruckus! A lot of bad blood between the two teams now unfortunately.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2016, 02:07:06 PM
My understanding is that some of the Tyrone team said something to Bonner and he struck out and hit one, which then started the ruckus! A lot of bad blood between the two teams now unfortunately.
If he hit a young lad, he needs a long ban. You can't have mentors behaving like that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 31, 2016, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2016, 02:07:06 PM
My understanding is that some of the Tyrone team said something to Bonner and he struck out and hit one, which then started the ruckus! A lot of bad blood between the two teams now unfortunately.
If he hit a young lad, he needs a long ban. You can't have mentors behaving like that.
Be interesting to see how many times he runs to the papers this week. He's a nasty piece of work Bonner!!!!!
Why always Tyrone?
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
I don't see the media jumping up and down about Dublin despite them being involved in multiple gouging and biting allegations over the past few years. Instead we are instructed to eulogise about them.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on March 31, 2016, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 31, 2016, 02:07:06 PM
My understanding is that some of the Tyrone team said something to Bonner and he struck out and hit one, which then started the ruckus! A lot of bad blood between the two teams now unfortunately.
If he hit a young lad, he needs a long ban. You can't have mentors behaving like that.
Be interesting to see how many times he runs to the papers this week. He's a nasty piece of work Bonner!!!!!
The guy shouldn't have been allowed near another underage team after the complete clusterfuck he made of the incident last summer. He is clearly incapable of keeping his emotions in check. That's just about ok I suppose at senior level as they can deal with it, but when working with underage players it's just not acceptable.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
Might be the only way to drown out the yapping.
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
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But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Because it's not always Dublin or Kerry. . . it's always Tyrone!!!
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2016, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Because it's not always Dublin or Kerry. . . it's always Tyrone!!!
lol I was wondering how long it would take till the cavalry arrived!! :D You should have given JoG a shout as well.
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2016, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Because it's not always Dublin or Kerry. . . it's always Tyrone!!!
Why are Dublin always involved in biting and gouging allegations?
The self-crucifixion for 2016 has begun in earnest.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 31, 2016, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2016, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Because it's not always Dublin or Kerry. . . it's always Tyrone!!!
Why are Dublin always involved in biting and gouging allegations?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=235210
As I said it's not always Dublin or Kerry . . .
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 31, 2016, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2016, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2016, 03:38:49 PM
I wish they would beat us soon then Benny. Maybe he'll be happy after the u21 final next Wed
No doubt he'll enjoy the week build up and join forces with Donegal and the Rossies in all sort of pre match trash talking.
I also love this old chestnut "Why is it always Tryone?"
Usually its not said by posters from relatively successful counties but lads who's county never put up much of a fight to win anything.
Why don't they say why is it always Kerry or recently Dublin? Usually its teams who are winning competitive matches and show a bit of balls to try hard. Dublin are finding out lately that teams will try all sorts to knock them off their pedestal and Kerry often get involved in unsavoury incidents yet few of ye ever say "Why Kerry".
It's like a lazy comment that you can't think what else to say.
I wasn't at the match myself but was chatting to someone who was and he reckoned Bonner had his players VERY wound up for this match so much so that the subs that came on lost their discipline and got cards soon after with one getting sent off.
Norf, what was your take on the match and especially the last 5 mins.
Because it's not always Dublin or Kerry. . . it's always Tyrone!!!
Why are Dublin always involved in biting and gouging allegations?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=235210
As I said it's not always Dublin or Kerry . . .
Yeah but it's not always Tyrone either....
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/pic-dublins-james-mccarthy-accused-of-eye-gouging-in-win-over-donegal/71619
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublins-philly-mcmahon-accused-of-eye-gouge-against-kerry-as-fans-scream-blue-murder/40611
I think you need back up. Maybe call for Walter or Lenny?
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2016, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 31, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2016, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 31, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
Declan Bonner comes onto the field and appears to clip a Tyrone player and yet Fergal Logan is the man getting the blame this morning. Amazing.
Bonner actually hit a Tyrone player last night?
I said appeared to and it looked like it from where I was. A steward pulled him back from going to the ref and there was a bit of a scuffle it looked a Tyrone lad said something to him and Bonner decked him.
The steward then dragged Bonner away and I swore the steward was going to bust him as the two of them got involved.
Logan then came over and exchanged words with Bonner clearly incensed that he'd hit one of his players.
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 31, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2016, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Check your contributions to the Tyrone v Armagh or Tyrone v Anyone threads and then check the Tyrone posters contributions to Monaghan threads! I think you might be a bit embarrassed by your level of infatiuaton. I'd say you've commented more on this thread about Tyrone than you have about Monaghan. You only started barking on this one when there was a hint of Tyrone controversy about it. It's ok though, we appreciate your interest, as long as you acccept that it's all one way and you don't get upset that the infatuation is not reciprocated.
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Check your contributions to the Tyrone v Armagh or Tyrone v Anyone threads and then check the Tyrone posters contributions to Monaghan threads! I think you might be a bit embarrassed by your level of infatiuaton. I'd say you've commented more on this thread about Tyrone than you have about Monaghan. You only started barking on this one when there was a hint of Tyrone controversy about it. It's ok though, we appreciate your interest, as long as you acccept that it's all one way and you don't get upset that the infatuation is not reciprocated.
There's always Tyrone controversy and usually more than a hint!!
Norf Tyrone making up managers punching young fella's is my favourite part of this thread! Nobody else has mentioned it anywhere... there were camera's at the game as well but sure Bonner 'appeared' to hit a young lad... Fantastic!!!
I'm surprised teamtalkmag aren't all over it, they love a good made up story!!
Fergal Logan forgot to mention that one in his interview, too busy dragging up dirt
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Check your contributions to the Tyrone v Armagh or Tyrone v Anyone threads and then check the Tyrone posters contributions to Monaghan threads! I think you might be a bit embarrassed by your level of infatiuaton. I'd say you've commented more on this thread about Tyrone than you have about Monaghan. You only started barking on this one when there was a hint of Tyrone controversy about it. It's ok though, we appreciate your interest, as long as you acccept that it's all one way and you don't get upset that the infatuation is not reciprocated.
There's always Tyrone controversy and usually more than a hint!!
Norf Tyrone making up managers punching young fella's is my favourite part of this thread! Nobody else has mentioned it anywhere... there were camera's at the game as well but sure Bonner 'appeared' to hit a young lad... Fantastic!!!
I'm surprised teamtalkmag aren't all over it, they love a good made up story!!
As I said that's what it looked like to me. The video does show a Tyrone lad being put on his arse so someone clips him. It looked like Bonner from where I was sitting.
Well there you go. Two lads who I assume were NOT at the match are calling a man who was at the match a LIAR just based on.... well not sure what but probably the fact they don't like Tyrone much.
At least if nothing else you can read between the lines there and see how biased some posters are.
I wasn't at the game so I don't know but if someone tells you he saw Bonner hit out at a player after the final whistle and saw a steward had to restrain Bonner then that's not the sort of stuff you tend to make up in my eyes.
I'm sure Fergal didn't see everything that happened but from it sounds Bonner has a lot of discipline issues himself.
Bonner hit Eoghan Murray last night which started the entire fracas. He totally lost the run of himself. I was at the game, so that's two eye witness accounts.
Just checking if this thread is in the right section - football?
Anyway. I was impressed with Monaghan last night. Once Heffron got black carded it was one way traffic. To be fair Armagh started the campaign a few players light because of injury and Heffron going off was a step too far. Monaghan took full advantage and were very clinical in their finishing in the second half. I was particularly impressed with numbers 3,5 and 8 and McCarthy up front.
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Check your contributions to the Tyrone v Armagh or Tyrone v Anyone threads and then check the Tyrone posters contributions to Monaghan threads! I think you might be a bit embarrassed by your level of infatiuaton. I'd say you've commented more on this thread about Tyrone than you have about Monaghan. You only started barking on this one when there was a hint of Tyrone controversy about it. It's ok though, we appreciate your interest, as long as you acccept that it's all one way and you don't get upset that the infatuation is not reciprocated.
There's always Tyrone controversy and usually more than a hint!!
Norf Tyrone making up managers punching young fella's is my favourite part of this thread! Nobody else has mentioned it anywhere... there were camera's at the game as well but sure Bonner 'appeared' to hit a young lad... Fantastic!!!
I'm surprised teamtalkmag aren't all over it, they love a good made up story!!
Is there a hint of Bonner being involved in some controversy last night?
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A picture of your average Tyrone supporter.
But Tyrone women rock.
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Main Street, has there ever been a Tyrone topic that you have failed to give your opinion on? Every match thread you're in there like a little terrier barking away trying to get attention. I had a look at the Kerry v Monaghan thread after you seemed delighted at our draw v Armagh and there was hardly a Tyrone poster to be seen. You do realise your intense infatuation is one way don't you? I'm sure one day you will beat Tyrone in a meaningful match and all this tension will subside and for your own sanity it would need to be soon.
Main Street is totally obsessed by Tyrone. Its totally consumed him.
Typical tyrone blockheads, thinking they're the only team that exist in the 2016 All Ireland U-21 football championship.
Check your contributions to the Tyrone v Armagh or Tyrone v Anyone threads and then check the Tyrone posters contributions to Monaghan threads! I think you might be a bit embarrassed by your level of infatiuaton. I'd say you've commented more on this thread about Tyrone than you have about Monaghan. You only started barking on this one when there was a hint of Tyrone controversy about it. It's ok though, we appreciate your interest, as long as you acccept that it's all one way and you don't get upset that the infatuation is not reciprocated.
There's always Tyrone controversy and usually more than a hint!!
Norf Tyrone making up managers punching young fella's is my favourite part of this thread! Nobody else has mentioned it anywhere... there were camera's at the game as well but sure Bonner 'appeared' to hit a young lad... Fantastic!!!
I'm surprised teamtalkmag aren't all over it, they love a good made up story!!
Is there a hint of Bonner being involved in some controversy last night?
Why always Bonner??
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
We're all out to get ya.
I think the issue is one of jealousy. Tyrone have come from a very low base to win 11 all ireland titles between minor, u21 and senior in the last twenty years. Other counties outside of Dublin and Kerry can only dream of that kind of success.
How important were the 2 sendings off? Or is it sending offs?
Would Donegal have ridden the early Tyrone storm after their goal to put them in front again?
Armagh poor in the second half last night just didn't seem to have the firepower that Monaghan had. I wish Monaghan all the best in the Ulster final it would be a fine achievement if they add U21 Ulster title to the minor title they won three years ago.
If Tyrone retain their Ulster title they will also go on to retain the All Ireland. The world against Tyrone mentality is what drives them on.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Was it Colm O'Rourke who coined the phrase that a bad smell follows Tyrone around? Hey, maybe you're right, maybe all these other counties are as bad and the entire country have got it wrong?
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Was it Colm O'Rourke who coined the phrase that a bad smell follows Tyrone around? Hey, maybe you're right, maybe all these other counties are as bad and the entire country have got it wrong?
Colm O'Rourke also said Brian Dooher was a poor footballer. If he and his mates on the Sunday Game are your point of reference then there's not much we can do. However, here's a thought.....watch a load of games this year, not just Tyrone. Then, (and heres the hard part) make up your own mind.
Tyrone don't have enough high profile former players in the Media. The more that you have strategically placed, the better you will get through unsavoury incidents in the public media.
O'Rourke played a blinder for the Leinster Final incident of 2010.
The Kerry lads brushed off Cormac Reillys performance in 2014. They play mind games with the media in regards Cork year in year out.
Northern teams will always get a heavier rap! Media wise they are not Savvy. All the main media for GAA is based in the south. Because of the Northern conflict, northern counties are depicted as hostile. So from a base value it's an uphill battle.
We need Dana, Hugo and Malachi Cush down there.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Was it Colm O'Rourke who coined the phrase that a bad smell follows Tyrone around? Hey, maybe you're right, maybe all these other counties are as bad and the entire country have got it wrong?
Don't be calling Main Street a bad smell. He follows Tyrone more than his own county.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2016, 08:31:06 PM
Tyrone don't have enough high profile former players in the Media. The more that you have strategically placed, the better you will get through unsavoury incidents in the public media.
O'Rourke played a blinder for the Leinster Final incident of 2010.
The Kerry lads brushed off Cormac Reillys performance in 2014. They play mind games with the media in regards Cork year in year out.
Northern teams will always get a heavier rap! Media wise they are not Savvy. All the main media for GAA is based in the south. Because of the Northern conflict, northern counties are depicted as hostile. So from a base value it's an uphill battle.
It would help if they stopped lamping/sledging/falling down when a wind blows through their hair.
Down, Fermanagh would be among the most admired counties in Ireland. Down for their history and brilliant style of football in their heyday, Fermangh for the great job they're doing right now with their resources. In fairness to the Cavan (another county like Down that has a huge place in GAA folklore) and Monaghan lads despite their overly defensive styles few regard them with much contempt or dislike, maybe Joe Broly aside. There's nothing written in stone that Ulster teams have to be unlikable.
You don't catch Ros/Mayo/Galway/Leitrim having many if any melees before or after matches - it's an earned rep for counties like Tyrone and Donegal. Most counties can leave it on the field and generally leave it within the ethos and rules of the game in the process.
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
How important were the 2 sendings off? Or is it sending offs?
Would Donegal have ridden the early Tyrone storm after their goal to put them in front again?
I felt Tyrone had made the changes required and were on top when the 1st sending off happened. They were dominating the game when the second occurred. The Donegal goal came from a short kick out that went horribly wrong. Who knows what would have happened had the 2 boys stayed on, but Tyrone could also say they lost McShane at a crucial time because of the actions of no 18 for Donegal who was sent off as a result.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2016, 08:31:06 PM
Tyrone don't have enough high profile former players in the Media. The more that you have strategically placed, the better you will get through unsavoury incidents in the public media.
O'Rourke played a blinder for the Leinster Final incident of 2010.
The Kerry lads brushed off Cormac Reillys performance in 2014. They play mind games with the media in regards Cork year in year out.
Northern teams will always get a heavier rap! Media wise they are not Savvy. All the main media for GAA is based in the south. Because of the Northern conflict, northern counties are depicted as hostile. So from a base value it's an uphill battle.
It would help if they stopped lamping/sledging/falling down when a wind blows through their hair.
Down, Fermanagh would be among the most admired counties in Ireland. Down for their history and brilliant style of football in their heyday, Fermangh for the great job they're doing right now with their resources. In fairness to the Cavan (another county like Down that has a huge place in GAA folklore) and Monaghan lads despite their overly defensive styles few regard them with much contempt or dislike, maybe Joe Broly aside. There's nothing written in stone that Ulster teams have to be unlikable.
You don't catch Ros/Mayo/Galway/Leitrim having many if any melees before or after matches - it's an earned rep for counties like Tyrone and Donegal. Most counties can leave it on the field and generally leave it within the ethos and rules of the game in the process.
You do talk an awful lot of nonsense on an awful lot of subjects.
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
How important were the 2 sendings off? Or is it sending offs?
Would Donegal have ridden the early Tyrone storm after their goal to put them in front again?
I think Tyrone would have pushed on without the sending offs. The momentum was with them even gifting the goal togive Donegal the lead the way Tyrone had been playing you'd felt confident it could be pulled back.
Are there any other teams than Tyrone left in this??
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Are there any other teams than Tyrone left in this??
What do you know about the others? All ears.
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
How important were the 2 sendings off? Or is it sending offs?
Would Donegal have ridden the early Tyrone storm after their goal to put them in front again?
Tyrone had got to grips with Donegal by the time the two sending offs occurred, they weren't the changing points in the game. Donegal should have been out of sight by half time but where very wasteful and it caught up with them in the second half.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
I don't think its fair to link the two things in the manner you did. I wasn't an overly dirty or physical game last night and the referee called things as he seen them, a different referee and the two teams may have ended the game with 15 aside.
Bonner is a bad loser and let himself down again last night, I said on the thread regarding the minor game last year that he shouldn't be let near an underage team again and I stand over that after seeing him in action last night. However, the only thing worse than a bad loser in my opinion is a bad winner. Logan should have had a bit more cop on, took the victory and moved on. He let himself done a bit with his interview with the nodding dogs.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
I don't think its fair to link the two things in the manner you did. I wasn't an overly dirty or physical game last night and the referee called things as he seen them, a different referee and the two teams may have ended the game with 15 aside.
Bonner is a bad loser and let himself down again last night, I said on the thread regarding the minor game last year that he shouldn't be let near an underage team again and I stand over that after seeing him in action last night. However, the only thing worse than a bad loser in my opinion is a bad winner. Logan should have had a bit more cop on, took the victory and moved on. He let himself done a bit with his interview with the nodding dogs.
Oakleaf what actually happened at full time. I seen a lot of pushing & pulling but did not see how it started.
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Quote from: oakleafgael on March 31, 2016, 11:52:49 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
I don't think its fair to link the two things in the manner you did. I wasn't an overly dirty or physical game last night and the referee called things as he seen them, a different referee and the two teams may have ended the game with 15 aside.
Bonner is a bad loser and let himself down again last night, I said on the thread regarding the minor game last year that he shouldn't be let near an underage team again and I stand over that after seeing him in action last night. However, the only thing worse than a bad loser in my opinion is a bad winner. Logan should have had a bit more cop on, took the victory and moved on. He let himself done a bit with his interview with the nodding dogs.
Oakleaf what actually happened at full time. I seen a lot of pushing & pulling but did not see how it started.
I was heading out when I heard a noise get up, turned around seen the same as yourself with Bonner in the middle of it.
Sorry for interrupting the thread with a football question, but Oakleaf, did any Donegal players stand out for you - any particularly strong performers?
Quote from: Conallach on April 01, 2016, 12:44:37 AM
Sorry for interrupting the thread with a football question, but Oakleaf, did any Donegal players stand out for you - any particularly strong performers?
Number 12 was the standout for me. Their full back started well and was very comfortable on the ball. Donegal had some excellent fielding round the middle in the first half. Number 7 was excellent going forward in the first half and caused us problems but Tyrone changed their tactics in the 2nd half and he was taken off later.
Quote from: Conallach on April 01, 2016, 12:44:37 AM
Sorry for interrupting the thread with a football question, but Oakleaf, did any Donegal players stand out for you - any particularly strong performers?
Gallagher, McBrearty and Thompson.
Donegal line very slow to react to the changes Tyrone made and it cost them.
I was impressed how ruthless the Tyrone bench were. I was just behind them and they were readying a change in the full back line after 5 mins, and puled the trigger shortly after. Donegal appeared too slow to react to anything that happened. Their two wing backs did well in different roles. McLean (7) bombed up and down all night, while McMenamin (5) did a very good man marking job. I thought their full forward was impressive as well (14).
Not much talk about the Leinster final tomorrow. Any predictions? After being confident all year I'm now very nervous about how we intend to stop Basquel and particularly O'Callaghan.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on April 01, 2016, 06:20:27 AM
Not much talk about the Leinster final tomorrow. Any predictions? After being confident all year I'm now very nervous about how we intend to stop Basquel and particularly O'Callaghan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kildare-defeat-dublin-to-reach-first-leinster-mfc-final-since-2009-1.1456130 how many from each side will be starting tomorrow? Basquel,O'Callaghan played that game I see.
I make it eight Kildare lads plus one of the subs CF
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone but it's hard to argue with the facts. There is clearly a serious discipline problem in the county. If it's not a riot at a club game then it's play acting in a county game. There is a serious under current of cynicism and thuggery that cannot be denied. All Tyrone supporters can do is point the finger elsewhere, which is no defence.
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Not much talk about the Leinster final tomorrow. Any predictions? After being confident all year I'm now very nervous about how we intend to stop Basquel and particularly O'Callaghan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kildare-defeat-dublin-to-reach-first-leinster-mfc-final-since-2009-1.1456130 how many from each side will be starting tomorrow? Basquel,O'Callaghan played that game I see.
Basquel came on in semi final and tore them apart. Both he and O'Callaghan would be senior players in any other county. Very high quality
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone but it's hard to argue with the facts. There is clearly a serious discipline problem in the county. If it's not a riot at a club game then it's play acting in a county game. There is a serious under current of cynicism and thuggery that cannot be denied. All Tyrone supporters can do is point the finger elsewhere, which is no defence.
Compare the difference from last years U-21 final when McShane was physically assaulted to Tyrone seeing out the game at the end - all the talk was of Tyrones cynicism yet barely no mention of the violence on McShane.
Even the Donegal game the other night, all the talk is focused on a comment by Logan as opposed to the opposition having two players sent-off, starting a row and their manager allegedly firing punches.
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone but it's hard to argue with the facts. There is clearly a serious discipline problem in the county. If it's not a riot at a club game then it's play acting in a county game. There is a serious under current of cynicism and thuggery that cannot be denied. All Tyrone supporters can do is point the finger elsewhere, which is no defence.
It is a defense if people are trying to make out Tyrone are worse than every other county, when the reality is that they're not.
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone but it's hard to argue with the facts. There is clearly a serious discipline problem in the county. If it's not a riot at a club game then it's play acting in a county game. There is a serious under current of cynicism and thuggery that cannot be denied. All Tyrone supporters can do is point the finger elsewhere, which is no defence.
what a clown
A clown who like a lot of others are showing themselves up for the blind bias they now have.
I understand loads of lads say a lot of stuff here just to get a rise out of the Tyronians but a lot of others cannot see things for themselves and as RH Santa said make up their own minds
The incidents the other night I think typify this point exactly as from all reports I've heard Tyrone were very highly disciplined, expecting Donegal to come out with high intensity and as a few said on here it was quite a decent game up until Donegal realised they were going to lose and so things got out of hand.
Yet many on here who were NOT at the game instantly jump on the anti Tyrone bandwagon and ask questions like why is it always Tyrone.
I wonder will Tyrone county board make a complaint against Bonner and is there video evidence of him hitting the Tyrone player? I heard Bonner isn't a popular guy even in Donegal and you'd imagine if he's found guilty of this then he'll hardly manage again.
As I said earlier.
In the past 3 or 4 seasons, Dublin have had 4 different players caught up in biting and gouging allegations (O'Brien, McMahon, O'Gara and McCarthy). It doesn't seem to follow them around like a bad smell though. That's not a slant on Dublin, I don't think there is anything untoward about their team, but it is an example how you can easily instigate a witch hunt on any team if you apply the same scrutiny as Tyrone come under.
Every offence Tyrone commit is logged onto a list that is used to beat us while the other counties are given a brief statute of limitations. This agenda is no doubt borne out of anti-Northern agenda. Because Tyrone are the flag bearers for the O6, they are the target of the the media's ire and like the naive, prejudiced idiots most of the South are, they regurgitate this ill founded nonsense.
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Every time there's an incident in a Tyrone game some obsessed rival county fans link it to other incidents to try and put Tyrone down. Clearly Donegal were the aggressors with 2 players getting sent off and there manager getting involved after getting beat.
No one has said typical Donegal. But if you wanted to you easily could given they were involved in a row with Kerry just a few weeks ago. Or you could link them back to the incident in the minor game with false accusations. Or there's numerous other incidents that could be brought up.
Similarly in the u21s last year a tipp boy dropped his knees on a Tyrone player on the ground but it was barely mentioned, the whole focus was on Tyrone. In the qualifier a tipp player stood on a Tyrone player on the ground and got sent off. Their minor team was also involved in boxing after a game in croke park. That's just a few high profile ones I know of. But no one is linking them together to say tipp are a dirty county.
Well said, always get annoyed at the double standards myself. You only have to look at Dublin/Mayo last year to see how certain figures down south only seem to spout off about certain teams. Whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently.
I have no axe to grind with Tyrone but it's hard to argue with the facts. There is clearly a serious discipline problem in the county. If it's not a riot at a club game then it's play acting in a county game. There is a serious under current of cynicism and thuggery that cannot be denied. All Tyrone supporters can do is point the finger elsewhere, which is no defence.
You're a misinformed idiot and blatant hypocrite.
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
Not much said about it? Are you talking about the furore last year about the challenge match, including the investigation and the GAA giving out about Dublin and Armagh not cooperating? Plus the hours of coverage on Radio, TV and the Newspapers? Yeah, never much said about that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
I wouldn't pay much heed to that. The Dublin lad came off worse in the incident but the media narrative was mainly focused on Armagh thuggery when BOTH parties were eager to brush the incident under the carpet which would lead me to believe Dublin were every bit as guilty as Armagh for it. I've also heard that the video evidence which was not released publicly was very damning on Dublin.
Armagh also got an awful amount of stick on their run during the 2014 Championship which was very unfair, particularly arising from the Cavan game where Cavan were the guiltier party.
Armagh would get every bit as tough a time as Tyrone do if they get back to being a serious threat at the business end of things.
Meanwhile in the real world outside the dreary steeples -
Kerry, Dublin, Mayowestros and Tymoan to win the 4 Provinces?
Semis double header in Portlaoise and a Dublin v Tymoan Final?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
I wouldn't pay much heed to that. The Dublin lad came off worse in the incident but the media narrative was mainly focused on Armagh thuggery when BOTH parties were eager to brush the incident under the carpet which would lead me to believe Dublin were every bit as guilty as Armagh for it. I've also heard that the video evidence which was not released publicly was very damning on Dublin.
Armagh also got an awful amount of stick on their run during the 2014 Championship which was very unfair, particularly arising from the Cavan game where Cavan were the guiltier party.
Armagh would get every bit as tough a time as Tyrone do if they get back to being a serious threat at the business end of things.
Delusional in the extreme. Armagh were a hardy team, but lacked in the diving, constant sly digging and sledging departments
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 01, 2016, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
Not much said about it? Are you talking about the furore last year about the challenge match, including the investigation and the GAA giving out about Dublin and Armagh not cooperating? Plus the hours of coverage on Radio, TV and the Newspapers? Yeah, never much said about that.
Not much mention of it these days, or of Dublin and Mayo's antics last year yet Tyrones past is dragged up time and time again yet their crimes were no worse than those perpetrated by the aforementioned counties.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 01, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Additionally, look at the craic with the Armagh player battering the dung out of a Dub and there is never much said about that, yet a Tyrone man play acting is front page news.
I wouldn't pay much heed to that. The Dublin lad came off worse in the incident but the media narrative was mainly focused on Armagh thuggery when BOTH parties were eager to brush the incident under the carpet which would lead me to believe Dublin were every bit as guilty as Armagh for it. I've also heard that the video evidence which was not released publicly was very damning on Dublin.
Armagh also got an awful amount of stick on their run during the 2014 Championship which was very unfair, particularly arising from the Cavan game where Cavan were the guiltier party.
Armagh would get every bit as tough a time as Tyrone do if they get back to being a serious threat at the business end of things.
Delusional in the extreme. Armagh were a hardy team, but lacked in the diving, constant sly digging and sledging departments
;D I knew it wouldn't be long.
I'm struggling to grasp what Tyrones perceived crimes are at this stage? We've three posters here (Syferus, CK and Main Street) fanning the flames and none were at the game. Only one team lost their discipline, only one team had two men sent off and only one manager got involved with an opposing player.
Well for starters, it looks like that young lad, with deliberate and malicious aforethought, smashed himself into Declan Bonner's hand/fist! And secondly there was deliberate and repeated targeting of the Donegal goals.
Fair enough, AZ :)
spot on omagh gael
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
How many of the 2013 minors are starting?
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
How many of the 2013 minors are starting?
Neil Flynn, Luke Flynn, Healy, Sherry, Mescal, Houlihan and Connell
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
How many of the 2013 minors are starting?
8 I make it out to be, OTB or DH will correct me no doubt if wrong :D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
How many of the 2013 minors are starting?
8 I make it out to be, OTB or DH will correct me no doubt if wrong :D
I think Darren Maguire, Brian Byrne and Ben McCormack were subs in 2013.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 01, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
Kildare name their team
Declan Campbell
Eoghan Bateman
Darren Maguire
Paul Mescal
Ryan Houlihan
Shea Ryan
Brian Byrne
Luke Flynn
Pascal Connell
Conor Hartley
Barry Kelly
Mark Sherry cpt;
Ben McCormack
Chris Healy
Neil Flynn
Game could be about whose defence gets on top as both teams have dangerous inside lines. Kildare should edge midfield and we have a strong bench. We don't fear Dublin at underage so hopefully we can do enough.
How many of the 2013 minors are starting?
8 I make it out to be, OTB or DH will correct me no doubt if wrong :D
We had 8 minors from the 2013 team too the last day, three more would be there or thereabouts if fit. Hopeful for a rematch of the 2013 AIQF this year.
What way do the provinces face off in the last four?
Connacht v Leinster and the other2 play each other.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2016, 05:33:45 PM
Connacht v Leinster and the other2 play each other.
Thanks
DUBLIN (U21FC v Kildare)
1 Lorcan Molloy (St Anne's)
2 Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
3 Martin Cahilan (Cuala)
4 Eoin Smith (Skerries Harps)
5 Glenn O'Reilly (Na Fianna)
6 Seán McMahon (Raheny)
7 Declan Monaghan (Clontarf)
8 Andy Foley (Clontarf)
9 Killian Deeley (Na Fianna)
10 Brian Howard (Raheny)
11 Michael Deegan (Donaghmore Ashbourne)
12 Cillian O'Shea (Kilmacud Crokes)
13 Chris Sallier (Thomas Davis)
14 Con O'Callaghan (Cuala)
15 Darragh Spillane (Cuala)
Jases - bad enough ye have over a million to pick from but ye're playing bloody Meathmen too >:(
Dubs as even slight underdog is such a rarity. Dubs for me, double with Roscommon on the slip.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Jases - bad enough ye have over a million to pick from but ye're playing bloody Meathmen too >:(
Michael Deegan is a son of Mick Deegan from the Dublin teams of the 90s. Mick is part of the senior Dublin management team.
(BTW Darragh Spillane is a son of Mick Spillane seven-time All Ireland winner with Kerry)
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 01, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
Dubs as even slight underdog is such a rarity. Dubs for me, double with Roscommon on the slip.
Going by the minor games played in the summer sun of 2013 it should be wins for Kildare,Mayo however the spring showers might even these games out to produce a shock or two.
Any sign of the Roscommon or Mayo teams anywhere? Connacht Final is tomorrow after all.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 01, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
Any sign of the Roscommon or Mayo teams anywhere? Connacht Final is tomorrow after all.
Cagey stuff with managements that know each other so well. Solan was a player under Dowd at Ballagh and John Ginty was a selector with Dowd and is a selector with Solan this year for Mayo.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 01, 2016, 11:44:14 PM
Any sign of the Roscommon or Mayo teams anywhere?
Hopefully the Ros lads are at home tucked up in their beds.
I suppose the Rhus are doing the same - hardly out on the tear.....
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Jases - bad enough ye have over a million to pick from but ye're playing bloody Meathmen too >:(
And Kerry men.
Kildare leading 0-7 to 0-2 and their forwards seem to be running riot.
4 minutes to half time Kildare 0-9 Dublin 1-2. Ben McCormack of Kildare has kicked 0-5 from play. Dublin badly needed that goal.
Kildare 0-10 Dublin 1-05 HT. Sounds like a cracking half of football, Kildare dominant but gave up 3 goal chances to Dublin who only took one. Kildare seem to be the better team but need to tighten up at the back.
Level with about 5 minutes to go.
Draw, ET starting in a few minutes - brilliant game.
Congrats to Dublin good comeback in what sounded a cracker. As it so often does, our inability to hit the net cost us.
Probably the poorest minor team we had for 10 years.
So this is a pretty special achievement. Some improvement in 3 years.
Thanks to all the people who wrote us off previously
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
Probably the poorest minor team we had for 10 years.
So this is a pretty special achievement. Some improvement in 3 years.
Thanks to all the people who wrote us off previously
The spring showers suit this Dublin team more than the summer sunshine.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
Probably the poorest minor team we had for 10 years.
So this is a pretty special achievement. Some improvement in 3 years.
Thanks to all the people who wrote us off previously
;D
Indy, you're the sort of chap who'd use his own wedding speech to have a go at some lad ten years ago who slagged you because you couldn't score in Coppers.
"Who's laughing now? ME! INDIANA! I win again!!!! Also, lets have a round of applause for the bridesmaids. Don't they look lovely? Way nicer than the bridesmaids at the last wedding I was at..."
Congrats to Ward Union Gaels on a great win . Not easy for combo team to do this . These two counties coming together to form a team might be the way forward for other smaller counties .
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
Probably the poorest minor team we had for 10 years.
So this is a pretty special achievement. Some improvement in 3 years.
Thanks to all the people who wrote us off previously
;D
Indy, you're the sort of chap who'd use his own wedding speech to have a go at some lad ten years ago who slagged you because you couldn't score in Coppers.
"Who's laughing now? ME! INDIANA! I win again!!!! Also, lets have a round of applause for the bridesmaids. Don't they look lovely? Way nicer than the bridesmaids at the last wedding I was at..."
Love it. It's 1000 versus one here. And the one is kicking all your asses.
Who says the underdog never wins
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2016, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 02, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
Probably the poorest minor team we had for 10 years.
So this is a pretty special achievement. Some improvement in 3 years.
Thanks to all the people who wrote us off previously
;D
Indy, you're the sort of chap who'd use his own wedding speech to have a go at some lad ten years ago who slagged you because you couldn't score in Coppers.
"Who's laughing now? ME! INDIANA! I win again!!!! Also, lets have a round of applause for the bridesmaids. Don't they look lovely? Way nicer than the bridesmaids at the last wedding I was at..."
Love it. It's 1000 versus one here. And the one is kicking all your asses.
Who says the underdog never wins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzNsQyamvk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzNsQyamvk)
Roscommon 0-1 (D Murtagh) Mayo 0-0. And now the same man has added a point to make it 1-1 to 0-0.
1-2 to 0-0 now.
Rossies 1-2 to no score!! Doing what they do to Mayo at this level. Going to be a long hard day for Mayo in Sligo this evening!!!
1-3 now to no score :o :o. Is it game over already?? Going by recent history probably!!!
1-3 to 0-1. Comeback on!
1-3 to 0-1 . Duffy with the score for Mayo. Compton, Harney , Mutragh , Stack and O'Rourke running riot so far.
Harney with score. 6 in it again. Rossies on top everywhere and toying with MAYO at the moment.
Mayo reduced to shooting from 50 yards out!! Conditions are brutal so fair play to the Rossies with football they are playing.
Rossies just missed an open goal from a couple of yards out!!!!
Ros 1-6 Mayo 0-4.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 02, 2016, 06:31:49 PM
Ros 1-6 Mayo 0-4.
That scoreline probably flatters Mayo a lot. Lucky to be still in the game!!!
Should have an extra goal. Murtagh unmarkable, total class act.
Losing Mulhooly on a back weakens our defence, though.
Rod should be further ahead judging by the mid west commentary.
Mayo just hanging in there.
An early second half Mayo goal would make for an interesting finish.
Yes but the last couple of Rossies minor teams have been really strong. I guess today's 21 side is made up of last years minors and year before in the main?
Have a wager on Ross so up the Rossies!
1-6 to 0-6 . Mayo finally showing a bit of fight. Compton carried off for Ros!
2 in it now. Ref gave Mayo a very soft free in front of the posts.
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Yes but the last couple of Rossies minor teams have been really strong. I guess today's 21 side is made up of last years minors and year before in the main?
Have a wager on Ross so up the Rossies!
Mayo were Connacht minor champions in 2013 and 2014 and Galway were champions in 2015 though!!
Mayo ahead by 1!
Score? How Long's left?
mayo by 1 with 2 mins added left.
1-11 mo 1-10 rn. In inj time.
Up Mayo! Ft Mayo 1-11 Ros 1-10
Ros just need kick in hole for not winning that game it was there to be won
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 02, 2016, 07:21:55 PM
Up Mayo! Ft Mayo 1-11 Ros 1-10
Unbelievable smash and grab!!! Forwards took their chances in the second half. Great to see Irwin back!!
That'll sting Roscelona. Their minors whipped by Galway today too.
Unbelievable comeback to beat the galácticos of U21 football!
At least the dubs won
Delighted, great to have that group win together and go on.
The little book of excuses will be out tonight.
Delighted!! Hard to see it happening after first half.
The Rossies will be rightly sickened
2 very close games today. It's a great level of competition.
It'll be Tyrone's fault that Roscommon lost.
Gutted. Carr putting the ball into the square happened in front of me, him and Daly were battling for a ball that came in and it was go if over the sideline but Carr scooped it up. If Daly even just got a tip on the ball and sent it over the sideline it was it was unlikely that Mayo would have got the goal. The roll of a ball was the difference between victory and defeat.
Good luck to Mayo in the AI series.
Ah could be worse it's only u21, I suppose choking in senior all Ireland's is a lot harder to take
At least my old nemisis Pats of Maghera lost today
Should have been played at the Hyde.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2016, 07:53:51 PM
Should have been played at the Hyde.
None of the Breaffy lads can swim that well so would have been too big an advantage for the Rossies!!
A game Roscommon lost more than Mayo won. Irwin's struggled to make an impact on the game until his Mullooly was black carded and Mayo only broke even in midfield after Compton went off injured.
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
These lads are not a typical Mayo team and have always bucked the trends
I say that as a Mayoman. Their win at minor was based on efficiency in front of goals and even with many of that forward line missing they still seem to have that trait along with a will to win that got them over the line today
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
Dublin underage teams never get much of a support. Doubt most of them knew game was on. And Kerry are and have been clear favourites for this competition. They dont seem to know that either.
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
In fairness Dublin's poor underage support is well established. It's a pity for a county so big. Cork nearly as bad and are worse at senior.
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
Dublin supporters at the hurling - good one! All the money in the world can't get supporters out to watch that manufactured team.
Kildare fans weren't long turning on their own players when the comeback started!
If they concentrated on supporting their lads, the big crowd might have counted for something. At least a large contingent got out to avoid the traffic, even though a late goal could have turned it all around...
But in reality, it's not very important, other than for the players and their friends/families. In the overall scheme of things Dublin and Mayo would have today's win way down the list of priorities for this year
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
Dublin supporters at the hurling - good one! All the money in the world can't get supporters out to watch that manufactured team.
If nothing else, Kildare are still AI champions in how to lose ungraciously.
Both Mayo and Dublin came from well behind to win. Interesting stuff.
Anyone from Cork or Kerry here? What are yee like?
I didn't hear too many complaints from Kildare fans about the players today, there may have been groans of frustration when bad decisions were made but in general it was very good support from Kildare throughout. We are a frustrated lot given how starved of success we are.
The size of the Dublin support was pathetic especially given how handy Navan is as a venue for them.
Although disappointed with the result I'm very proud of the Kildare performance today, the effort was incredible and they showed plenty of bottle. Con O'Callaghan was unmarkable and is a special talent, if he wasn't on the field it would have been an easy win for Kildare. He will replace B Brogan soon enough.
The Referee was fantastic, he was fair to both sides, allowed the game to flow brilliantly and allowed shoulders. I can't remember the last time I can say that about a referee.
Nice unexpected win for Dublin today. Lorcan Molloy and Michael Deegan won their 3rd Leinster u21 in a row. We have nothing to lose going in against Mayo now. Still think Kerry are the team to beat. Missing 5/6 key players through injury who are coming back at the right time.
You gotta love GAA. Mayo don't win many all Irelands, but a few weeks ago we were finished, and Castlebar lost and all was going up in smoke. Two wins in 6 days against an average senior Ros side and a good u21 Ros side means Mayo aren't all bad. Crazy stuff, and that's just one county.
Great win today by a team that showed composure when many other (Mayo) teams would have panicked and lost. Delighted for the two Ballagh lads Mike and John and also Joe Keane too. Hopefully the lads can kick on and improve for the semi final, they'll definitely need to based on today's display.
Tough one to take. Same old story with Kildare. We had the chances to win it but we just didn't take them. Fair play to Dublin. They just had that little but more composure than us.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 02, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
You gotta love GAA. Mayo don't win many all Irelands, but a few weeks ago we were finished, and Castlebar lost and all was going up in smoke. Two wins in 6 days against an average senior Ros side and a good u21 Ros side means Mayo aren't all bad. Crazy stuff, and that's just one county.
Not that good a Ros U21 side.
About 6 players who wouldn't have got a look in on our 2012/14/15 teams. Couldn't get over loss of Mullooly and Compton.
Also contrived to fcuks up a game they should have had won after 20 minutes.
Such is our lot I suppose but at least the five Seniors can concentrate on the real stuff from here on.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
Dublin supporters at the hurling - good one! All the money in the world can't get supporters out to watch that manufactured team.
There's nothing like a gracious loser.
Well done to both teams but particularly to the Dublin lads who never gave up the fight.
Once again Kildare have shown that hype doesn't win matches.
COYBIB
Quote from: LilySavage on April 02, 2016, 08:31:21 PM
Dublin underage teams never get much of a support. Doubt most of them knew game was on. And Kerry are and have been clear favourites for this competition. They dont seem to know that either.
For Kerry
Pros: Jack O'Connor and his experience in winning.
2 All Ireland minor winning sides involved this year.
Cons:
Lack of experience at this level, the majority have 1 or 0 previous games played prior to this year. None of the panel had won a game at u21 before. Tactically u21 very different to minor so experience is vital.
7 players injured including their best forward and best midfielder.
Very young team. Majority of team were minor last year, previous year's minor making up most of the rest, so quite young and lots of players giving away 2 years of strength and conditioning to many opponents.
No senior players. Cork have 3 or 4. Both last year's finalists had 5 or 6. Think you need some senior players to have a decent chance.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 02, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
You gotta love GAA. Mayo don't win many all Irelands, but a few weeks ago we were finished, and Castlebar lost and all was going up in smoke. Two wins in 6 days against an average senior Ros side and a good u21 Ros side means Mayo aren't all bad. Crazy stuff, and that's just one county.
Yeah great week for us getting back on the Saddle. Always said this was an important game for us to win (even more so than the senior game at the Hyde).
Fair fucks to Mayo as much as it pains me to say it. You get rode early on, take whatever bit of luck or break goes your way and try and inch out the win from nothing in the closing stages, hoping all the while that it's not your opponents day. Nothing wrong with that and nothing any other team in Ireland would scoff at. Fortunate but fair and square win for the red and green again.
Back to the senior set up for us now. We have had a great run at U21 for several years and I would be very disappointed if that didn't translate that into one or two senior Connacht titles in the coming years. But we are coming from a lowly position and in my lifetime (33yrs) I've barely seen us beat Galway or Mayo so any kind of provincial achievement would be most welcome in my book.
A respectable championship showing would do me, as I'm accustomed to little but ignominy and shame.
The league and recent years underage has been great for us, but until we produce on the senior championship field we are nobodies.
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 02, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 02, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Gutted - goals win games. Better team I thought but Dublin expect to win whereas our lads hope to win and abdicated responsibility when scores were there for the taking.
Still they died with their boots on. One thing I learned today is that the true Dub fan is a minority. Unless played at home in Croke Park Dublin are poorly supported. Would be nice to be so complacent.
Full round of Juvenile and Senior games on today along with the Hurlers playing Limerick.
There is no bandwagon like a Kildare bandwagon and expecting to win today would've brought a few along - they skulk back with the best of them when it suits.
With the two favourites in Kildare & Ros now gone, it's pot luck with Dublin v Mayo.
Dublin supporters at the hurling - good one! All the money in the world can't get supporters out to watch that manufactured team.
If nothing else, Kildare are still AI champions in how to lose ungraciously.
You always were a bitter little poster when it comes to all thing Kildare. Typical Dub.
And then there were 6
Mayo
Dublin
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Monaghan
Ulster final is Wednesday and Munster is Thursday.
Promotion for the U21 competition in the media continues to be woeful.
I'd have thought Cork would be favourites for this now? Kerry are short a good few, and even though they are backboned by two Minor teams, they are the 2017 and 2018 vintages if you know what I mean. Tipperary coulda/shoulda/woulda bate Kerry below in Tralee, and Limerick ran them close as well. I'd imagine Cork have the whip hand.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2016, 11:56:11 AM
I'd have thought Cork would be favourites for this now? Kerry are short a good few, and even though they are backboned by two Minor teams, they are the 2017 and 2018 vintages if you know what I mean. Tipperary coulda/shoulda/woulda bate Kerry below in Tralee, and Limerick ran them close as well. I'd imagine Cork have the whip hand.
Cork are currently 13/8
I want to see the teams lineup but I think they might be worth a punt - the one thing is that Cork's 2 games against Waterford and Clare were cakewalks so it's hard to draw much from them.
Cork's minors beat Kerry in 2013 after a replay and lost by a point in the final in 2014 so it's not as if there were a lot between them recnt minor level
Why do TG4 show so little of the U21 football Championship compared to the hurling?
Sounded like two cracking games yesterday.
The ref was shocking in the Ros v Mayo game, he did not favour one over the other but really should call it a day. Ros were by some distance the better team in the first half and that miss will haunt. We had a poor bench due to all the injuries and could not sustain the losses of mannion, Compton and Muloolly. We were the better team but credit to a limited Mayo side who were well able to kick frees and take full advantage of a terrible defensive mix up. Hope comptons injury is not bad, could do with him on the seniors, Muloolly was a big loss.
We hadn't the deepest well of talent on this panel unlike as in recent years so once a few better players were off we were always going to struggle.
Ref wasn't great to say the least and the CC need to bite the bullet here and bring in outside Refs till the standard in Connacht improves.
Quote from: Rudi on April 03, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
The ref was shocking in the Ros v Mayo game, he did not favour one over the other but really should call it a day. Ros were by some distance the better team in the first half and that miss will haunt. We had a poor bench due to all the injuries and could not sustain the losses of mannion, Compton and Muloolly. We were the better team but credit to a limited Mayo side who were well able to kick frees and take full advantage of a terrible defensive mix up. Hope comptons injury is not bad, could do with him on the seniors, Muloolly was a big loss.
Take your bate'n, although must be even more difficult at the hands of such a limited side.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2016, 09:13:52 AM
We hadn't the deepest well of talent on this panel unlike as in recent years so once a few better players were off we were always going to struggle.
Ref wasn't great to say the least and the CC need to bite the bullet here and bring in outside Refs till the standard in Connacht improves.
Should be outside the Province Referees for all intercounty games. Referee standards are sh1te at the moment. A lot has more to do with the rules than the individuals.
What time is the Mon/Tyr match on Wed? Cheers.
Why is Niall Quinn's son sub goalie for Dublin? I thought he was Eadestown in Kildare?
QuoteWhy is Niall Quinn's son sub goalie for Dublin? I thought he was Eadestown in Kildare?
Correct - GAA rules etc you can declare for parents county - nothing whatsoever to do with any relationship that might exist between said parents and team management ;) ;)
Dublin are POACHING players on the parentage rule? Jaysus, I've heard it all now :)
Look at it the other way- if you're a 20 year old would you rather play for Dublin or kildare?
Depends where I came from. I'd prefer to play for the team I felt I belonged to.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 03, 2016, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2016, 11:56:11 AM
I'd have thought Cork would be favourites for this now? Kerry are short a good few, and even though they are backboned by two Minor teams, they are the 2017 and 2018 vintages if you know what I mean. Tipperary coulda/shoulda/woulda bate Kerry below in Tralee, and Limerick ran them close as well. I'd imagine Cork have the whip hand.
Cork are currently 13/8
I want to see the teams lineup but I think they might be worth a punt - the one thing is that Cork's 2 games against Waterford and Clare were cakewalks so it's hard to draw much from them.
Cork's minors beat Kerry in 2013 after a replay and lost by a point in the final in 2014 so it's not as if there were a lot between them recnt minor level
4 points. 2-17 to 2-13 or something like that. There was a clear gap between the teams though.
Game Thursday night is hard to call. Few injuries in both camps. Kerry may just shade it, but it's going to be tight I'd say.
QuoteDublin are POACHING players on the parentage rule? Jaysus, I've heard it all now
I think it was the player himself expressing an interest rather than a poaching exercise AZ ;) ;)
Ara, I don't think he was poached. Maybe I should have said 'gaining'. :)
He would not have been anywhere close to the Kildare panel but it is an issue that players are being targeted in the counties bordering Dublin for their development squads. I believe Meath are being hit hardest. It really is pathetic from Dublin with all the advantages they already possess that they have to resort to this carry on.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 04, 2016, 06:55:08 PM
He would not have been anywhere close to the Kildare panel but it is an issue that players are being targeted in the counties bordering Dublin for their development squads. I believe Meath are being hit hardest. It really is pathetic from Dublin with all the advantages they already possess that they have to resort to this carry on.
That's the usual inaccurate nonsense posted on this site. Would be great if people made some effort to get their facts right. Quinns son was born outside Ireland so under GAA rules he can declare for his parents county or the county he is living in. He wasn't targeted by Dublin and if it wasn't for his father being who he is he wouldn't have represented Dublin at all. He hasn't got any game time for Dublin u21s in championship.
Michael Deegan is son of Dublin player Mick Deegan. Was born in Dublin and played most of his underage football in Dublin till his family moved to Ashbourne. Was never going to play for anyone else but Dublin if he was good enough.
Thems the facts but don't let that stop you having another childish moan about Dublin. Boo hoo hoo!
I'm well aware of the situations with the two players, what I was getting at was the likes of this: http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=72061&Latest=1
Granted a lot of it is driven by idiot parents desperate for their children to represent the Dubs but it is not a good direction for the GAA to be heading. Players should play for teams in their county and represent the counties they are born in/grow up/live in.
If they are not good enough for their own county and have parents from a weaker county then that is fair enough to give it a chance but Dublin teams shouldn't need to go outside their borders with the population they have.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 04, 2016, 07:42:50 PM
I'm well aware of the situations with the two players, what I was getting at was the likes of this: http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=72061&Latest=1
Granted a lot of it is driven by idiot parents desperate for their children to represent the Dubs but it is not a good direction for the GAA to be heading. Players should play for teams in their county and represent the counties they are born in/grow up/live in.
If they are not good enough for their own county and have parents from a weaker county then that is fair enough to give it a chance but Dublin teams shouldn't need to go outside their borders with the population they have.
What you've just posted there is completely different issue to your accusation around Dublins 'pathetic' actions in targeting players from other counties. Kildare and Meath should put their energies in sorting themselves out rather than blaming Dublin for their troubles at every turn. If anything is pathetic it is the state of football in both counties.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 04, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 04, 2016, 07:42:50 PM
I'm well aware of the situations with the two players, what I was getting at was the likes of this: http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=72061&Latest=1
Granted a lot of it is driven by idiot parents desperate for their children to represent the Dubs but it is not a good direction for the GAA to be heading. Players should play for teams in their county and represent the counties they are born in/grow up/live in.
If they are not good enough for their own county and have parents from a weaker county then that is fair enough to give it a chance but Dublin teams shouldn't need to go outside their borders with the population they have.
What you've just posted there is completely different issue to your accusation around Dublins 'pathetic' actions in targeting players from other counties. Kildare and Meath should put their energies in sorting themselves out rather than blaming Dublin for their troubles at every turn. If anything is pathetic it is the state of football in both counties.
Although it's true that the lilies and Meath are pathetic, if you gave either of them the 10's of millions that Dublin have got they would be beating Dublin at all age groups.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 04, 2016, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2016, 02:09:24 PM
What time is the Mon/Tyr match on Wed? Cheers.
8
Way too much about Dublin in this thread and not enough about the upcoming Ulster final Monaghan v Tyrone
Is this game televised or is it a Northern Sound affair?
i would be very curious to see Fergal's new disciplined Tyrone "no mouthing no nothing". I just hope our boys can take inspiration from Tyrone's high minded objectives and do their part to maintain the repute of the game.
Main Street, I haven't being using this site for too long but in the short time that I have I've noticed you are obsessed with all things Tyrone. You're like a fella that's jealous of the success we've had in recent times. Grow up!
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Main Street, I haven't being using this site for too long but in the short time that I have I've noticed you are obsessed with all things Tyrone. You're like a fella that's jealous of the success we've had in recent times. Grow up!
No appreciation of sarcasm and hyper sensitive to boot, nothing new there.
Anything to offer on the upcoming game?
Anything to offer on the reborn disciplined Tyrone under the tutelage of Fergal?
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Main Street, I haven't being using this site for too long but in the short time that I have I've noticed you are obsessed with all things Tyrone. You're like a fella that's jealous of the success we've had in recent times. Grow up!
No appreciation of sarcasm and hyper sensitive to boot, nothing new there.
Anything to offer on the upcoming game?
Anything to offer on the reborn disciplined Tyrone under the tutelage of Fergal?
Daily fix?
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Main Street, I haven't being using this site for too long but in the short time that I have I've noticed you are obsessed with all things Tyrone. You're like a fella that's jealous of the success we've had in recent times. Grow up!
No appreciation of sarcasm and hyper sensitive to boot, nothing new there.
Anything to offer on the upcoming game?
Anything to offer on the reborn disciplined Tyrone under the tutelage of Fergal?
Daily fix?
Benny harp "empty vessels make the most noise".
Have you anything to contribute to the upcoming u21 ulster final?
Tyrone will win because tyrone always beat Monaghan when it matters!
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Tyrone will win because tyrone always beat Monaghan when it matters!
Not always.
Ulster minor final and Ulster senior championship
and Ulster 2016 u21 final :)
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Tyrone will win because tyrone always beat Monaghan when it matters!
Not always.
Ulster minor final and Ulster senior championship
and Ulster 2016 u21 final :)
Only when it matters, enjoy wednesday saddo no doubt be on here moaning about something thur
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Main Street, I haven't being using this site for too long but in the short time that I have I've noticed you are obsessed with all things Tyrone. You're like a fella that's jealous of the success we've had in recent times. Grow up!
No appreciation of sarcasm and hyper sensitive to boot, nothing new there.
Anything to offer on the upcoming game?
Anything to offer on the reborn disciplined Tyrone under the tutelage of Fergal?
Daily fix?
Benny harp "empty vessels make the most noise".
Have you anything to contribute to the upcoming u21 ulster final?
Yep and you have been making plenty of noise regarding Tyrone lately.
If you feel feel that your pithy little comment about Tyrone is a meaningful contribution to a discussion on the Ulster U21 final then you are even more moronic than I thought. I know little about the Monaghan u21 squad or manager so won't comment on that. But, regardless of your pathetic, sarky comments, I've a lot of time for how Fergal and his management team go about things. Their ability to get the tactics right (Roscommon and Tipp last year) and make changes quickly when needed (v Donegal) bode well. He also seems to be able to get his team up for a battle which is crucial on a wet Wednesday night. It's tough to predict how any underage team will perform but Tyrone have a sprinkling of top class players in Burns, Mulgrew, Kavanagh, McShane, Brennan and young Coleman and I would be confident that Fergal will have them prepared and it will take a good Monaghan team to beat them. May the best team win, and if that is Monaghan then I hope it goes some way to exorcising the demons in your head regarding Tyrone, Main Street.
Quote from: redhandefender on April 04, 2016, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Tyrone will win because tyrone always beat Monaghan when it matters!
Not always.
Ulster minor final and Ulster senior championship
and Ulster 2016 u21 final :)
Only when it matters, enjoy wednesday saddo no doubt be on here moaning about something thur
Sorry, I don't quite follow that version of tyronenglish.
The tyrone comrades i hold dear would never ever use an expression like "saddo", are there no mature Tyronies here?
Tyrone have been slow to start in most games this year and have blown away the opposition in the second half. We'd be hoping for a bright start on Wednesday night as Monaghan appeared to have burried Armagh very quickly.
What about you Main Street? Give us the low down on Monaghan's young guns? Who should we look out for?
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on April 04, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Tyrone will win because tyrone always beat Monaghan when it matters!
That's often been the case, but for this group of Monaghan players it's exactly the opposite! They have none of the hangups of Tyrone that past Monaghan teams have had. It will be tough though, I said from the outset that Tyrone would be the team to beat, but we have a good bunch this year and they'll give it their all.
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Lives in Aughnacloy, went to St. Ciarans High School.
Plays his club football for Emyvale though
Anybody got the lineups for the two times Tyrone u-21s have beat Monaghan this season?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 06, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Lives in Aughnacloy, went to St. Ciarans High School.
Plays his club football for Emyvale though
A bit misleading.. He lived and played football in Emyvale for years before moving to Aughnacloy.
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 06, 2016, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 06, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Lives in Aughnacloy, went to St. Ciarans High School.
Plays his club football for Emyvale though
Mother won AIs for Monaghan. Sisters currently playing for Monaghan seniors. People are allowed to move house without moving club or county !
A bit misleading.. He lived and played football in Emyvale for years before moving to Aughnacloy.
Quote from: straightred on April 06, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 06, 2016, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 06, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Lives in Aughnacloy, went to St. Ciarans High School.
Plays his club football for Emyvale though
Mother won AIs for Monaghan. Sisters currently playing for Monaghan seniors. People are allowed to move house without moving club or county !
A bit misleading.. He lived and played football in Emyvale for years before moving to Aughnacloy.
Im not saying who he should be playing for.
Emyvale is his club and he regards Monaghan as his county regardless of where he currently lives.
I was just pointing out that he now lives and went to school in Tyrone
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 06, 2016, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: straightred on April 06, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on April 06, 2016, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 06, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 06, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Read McAnespie is a Tyrone man also, whats the deal there?
Agaloo I presume?
Lives in Aughnacloy, went to St. Ciarans High School.
Plays his club football for Emyvale though
Mother won AIs for Monaghan. Sisters currently playing for Monaghan seniors. People are allowed to move house without moving club or county !
A bit misleading.. He lived and played football in Emyvale for years before moving to Aughnacloy.
Im not saying who he should be playing for.
Emyvale is his club and he regards Monaghan as his county regardless of where he currently lives.
I was just pointing out that he now lives and went to school in Tyrone
Actually he did try and play for Tyrone and was training along with them but was then forced to play for Monaghan!
who forced him i am sure he made his own mind up anyway it makes for keen rivalry tonight
Is the game being streamed on Armagh Tv or anything ?
no streaming
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/04/live-radio-tyrone-v-monaghan-ulster-u21-final-wednesday-6th-april-from-750pm/
Link for the game, starting any second now.
Tyrone 0-03 Monaghan 0-03 13 minutes gone
Tyrone 0-05 Monaghan 0-04 Lee Brennan just after scoring a wonder sideline ball.
Tyrone 0-06 Monaghan 0-05 Lee Brennan and Lynch for Monaghan
some game top drawer stuff
Tyrone 0-07 Monaghan 0-06 Lee Brennan again. That's five for him already.
Monaghan blasted out of the blocks in second half. They're two points up now.
Monaghan sounding the better side this half. Tyrone struggling to get a score.
Monaghan 12-9 up.
Not looking good now, three down and 9 to go. Our short kick out strategy appears to be killing us.
Tyrone up against it - played against wind both halves according to teamtalk lads! :o
12-11 Monaghan, injury time.
All over, Monaghan win by 2. First ten mins of second half killed us. Silly short kickouts led to turnover frees and we persisted with this tactic
Great result!
Hard luck Tyrone. Well done Monaghan , that is good group of players that have come through from minor!! Is the skillful coner forward McCarthy playing for them? He played with real quality against Mayo in 2013!!
Well done to Monaghan a great win for them first Ulster U21 title since 1999? And they do it by knocking out All Ireland champions.
McCarthy was playing, Crete. Congratulations to Monaghan, hopefully they can go on and make their mark nationally.
Bummer!
Ah well fair play to Monaghan.......and Dinky
The farney army goes barmy!
Hard luck to the Tyrone lads. Best of luck Monaghan in the all ireland
Well done Monaghan. I always think at this level you need to get your better players on the ball, and I never head Brennan mentioned much in the first half and McShane, Burns, nor Kavanagh the whole contest.
Sounds like Monaghan did their homework and out thought Tyrone.
Hopefully they go on and beat Mayo now. It is Mayo isn't it?
Serious result! They came out flying at the start of the second half and were able to hold that lead til the end in poor conditions. Some quality players coming through in that group, and they have a real winners mentality now, which we've rarely had from underage teams.
McAnespie has now won minor, u21 and senior Ulster titles - that must be a first for a Monaghan player. I don't think any others from that group were on the senior panel last year?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Well done Monaghan. I always think at this level you need to get your better players on the ball, and I never head Brennan mentioned much, and McShane, Burns, nor Kavanagh the whole contest.
Sounds like Monaghan did their homework and out thought Tyrone.
Hopefully they go on and beat Mayo now. It is Mayo isn't it?
Nope, we play the Dubs
Ulster plays Munster next, Cork and Kerry play tomorrow night.
Quote from: Schkite on April 06, 2016, 09:44:01 PM
Serious result! They came out flying at the start of the second half and were able to hold that lead til the end in poor conditions. Some quality players coming through in that group, and they have a real winners mentality now, which we've rarely had from underage teams.
McAnespie has now won minor, u21 and senior Ulster titles - that must be a first for a Monaghan player. I don't think any others from that group were on the senior panel last year?
Yep, and that's massive if it can translate into the senior panel.
Well done Monaghan.
Have Monaghan any midfielders that could do a job for them at senior level in the u21 setup at the minute?
The players that seem to be in the senior picture at the minute who are currently u21 are all forwards as far as I know.
Best of luck to Monaghan.
Having watched Monaghan last week I knew they had a good chance tonight. They have a very strong team and will give any of the teams remaining a run. Well done and good luck Monaghan in the All Ireland semi final.
For Monaghan to bring it to the next level this team needs to win the all Ireland. They can't settle for Ulster yet again.
Hopefully the Monaghan manager makes the trip to Tralee tomorrow night.
It won't be on tv.
Well done Monaghan, fair play to them and I hope they gone to win the All Ireland. Hard luck to Tyrone, hopefully a few of those lads will join up with the seniors now and kick on.
Delighted for Monaghan. To add U21 Ulster title to the minor 2013 title already won is a fine achievement and they beat Tyrone in both finals. The myth that Tyrone always beat Monaghan in matches that count is well busted now.
Well done Monaghan. By far the better team I hear. Tyrone were a shadow of the team that was being hyped by some on here.
Quote from: ck on April 06, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
Well done Monaghan. By far the better team I hear. Tyrone were a shadow of the team that was being hyped by some on here.
???
Eh, you were the one hyping them up, you botton.
Quote from: ck on April 06, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
Well done Monaghan. By far the better team I hear. Tyrone were a shadow of the team that was being hyped by some on here.
Repost a few of the hype posts there CK just so we know what your talking about.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Well done Monaghan. I always think at this level you need to get your better players on the ball, and I never head Brennan mentioned much in the first half and McShane, Burns, nor Kavanagh the whole contest.
Sounds like Monaghan did their homework and out thought Tyrone.
Hopefully they go on and beat Mayo now. It is Mayo isn't it?
Brennan was the pick of them 4 but we couldn't get the ball to him quick enough/ find him in space.sprarky tryed hard but it wasn't happening, frank was quiet by his standards and mcshane wont be as bad again. The amount of shots dropped short or kicked wide was unreal from us. Monaghan by far deserved the win. Dinky mcbride was managing them so he knew the Tyrone players inside out. They def had there homework done I have to hand it to them.
Good luck them in the semi
Desperately disappointing from Tyrone. Few thoughts:
Tyrone Played the better football and had an excellent goal chance early on and really should have made much more of their chances in the first half.
Tyrone keeper cost us around 4 points with poor kick outs
Tyrone played nothing in second half making really poor decisions and shooting from stupid areas
McShane was very poor, disappeared completely in second half
Lee Brennan is an exceptional talent. Gave Monaghan the runaround first half. We got no ball into him in second.
Ref was awful. Chickened out of giving a clear black card to Monaghan no.9 for pulling down rugby style and handed 5-6 soft soft frees to Monaghan in front of goals for 'fouls' that Tyrone were certainly not being given at the other end for worse.
Can't agree Monaghan were better team, at most they broke even and ultimately Tyrone have only themselves to blame as thus was a game they were in control of and let go at half time.
You missed the joke, yeah it was me hyping them it seems. Thought they were a sure bet for tonight.
Monaghan now play Cork or Kerry. Mayo play Dublin. Wide open lads
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Would be a shock and big disappointment among Mayo supporters if their 2013 minor All Ireland winning team now fail to win a Connacht title. The Dubs look menacing at this level again.
The Dubs as ever look primed. Cork haven't been tested but have scored freely in Munster.
Most pundits say Armagh are the best in Ulster.
Usual story in Munster. Dubs with Basquel back are contenders. Nothing between Mayo and Ross in Connacht and in Ulster I'd disagree with you, despite a big win for Armagh I think Monaghan will beat them but it's Tyrones to loose.
Seems the only one overhyping Tyrone U21s on here was yourself, ck.
Even your lies are lies.
Better team won. As I said before the competition started this Tyrone side hadn't near the class of last year and Ulster was the best that could be hoped for.
Agree with Tyronemans observations.
- Short kick outs on a night like that puts corner backs under tremendous pressure and clearly was costing Tyrone scores time and again. The inability to deviate from this plan I thought showed the rigidity in the system Tyrone play.
- McShane looked out on his feet, was a really disappointing performance by him.
- Lee Brennan is all class and a future star but the 45s in the second half could maybe have been worked better.
-Young McKiernan could be a fine prospect. For 18 the lad impressed me.
- Ref made one major decision calling an over carrying on a Tyrone defender when he was pushed in the back clearly. Free put Monaghan 3 up and gave them the necessary breathing room.
Hope Monaghan win the AI now, best of luck lads!
Was Fox making the continual decisions to take the short kick outs or was this a direction from the sideline? Disappointed that this wasn't abandoned as soon as it dumped us in the shit for the second time. The first five/ten mins of the second half were a killer.
Very happy with the ulster u21crown and to take it in style from the champions.
No doubt that it was a hard earned victory.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2016, 11:32:46 PM
Was Fox making the continual decisions to take the short kick outs or was this a direction from the sideline? Disappointed that this wasn't abandoned as soon as it dumped us in the shit for the second time. The first five/ten mins of the second half were a killer.
Wasn't so much the strategy, more the execution. Some of his short kick out were terrible and gave the defenders little chance. Also floated 2 or 3 long kick outs straight to Monaghan men.
Maybe Tyrone's wins v Cavan & Donegal took their toll tonight. Both were majorly competitive and Tyrone came from behind in both. Monaghan had the slightly easier passage v the weaker Ulster U-21 counties.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 06, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
Maybe Tyrone's wins v Cavan & Donegal took their toll tonight. Both were majorly competitive and Tyrone came from behind in both. Monaghan had the slightly easier passage v the weaker Ulster U-21 counties.
or maybe you just have to accept that Monaghan just have a better team and deserved the title on merit.
Great win.
Thought Tyrone were marginally better in the first half. Their scores seemed to come a little easier and their forward play a bit classier. That side line ball score from inside the 13m line with the outside of the boot was as good a point as I've seen.
However Monaghan seriously upped their performance after the break and dominated the third quarter. The work rate was phenomenal, epitomised by Donal Meegan's tackling from a Tyrone short kick out that turned over the ball and gave Monaghan a handy free in. From there on it was a case of holding out which we did thankfully.
Would agree about the wind. Monaghan played with it in the first half but it turned about 20 minutes in and was at our backs again in the second half.
It'd be great now to kick on and make a mark at national level. But that's for another day. Just delighted with this evening's win...... even if they did break the cup during the presentation!!!
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 06, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
Maybe Tyrone's wins v Cavan & Donegal took their toll tonight. Both were majorly competitive and Tyrone came from behind in both. Monaghan had the slightly easier passage v the weaker Ulster U-21 counties.
or maybe you just have to accept that Monaghan just have a better team and deserved the title on merit.
Fully accepted. Week done the Farney.
Well Done Monaghan
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Well done Monaghan. I always think at this level you need to get your better players on the ball, and I never head Brennan mentioned much in the first half and McShane, Burns, nor Kavanagh the whole contest.
Sounds like Monaghan did their homework and out thought Tyrone.
Hopefully they go on and beat Mayo now. It is Mayo isn't it?
Badly worded there. Brennan appeared to be kept much quieter in the second half while the other 3 appeared to be quiet all game.
In fairness to Tyrone I think they'd a few players playing through the pain barrier tonight which is a result of the 'harder' half of the draw. That's the way it goes.
Obviously very disappointing from a Tyrone perspective but congratulations to the Monaghan lads and best of luck in the All Ireland series.
Was at the match with 2 other Ty supporters. Expecting a tight game , but a Tyrone victory. Before the game even started we were shaking our heads at Tyrone still warming up ( maybe less than a minute, but this is after a 5 min delayed throw-in) with the ref and Mon waiting. Thought it was a bit disrespectful of everyone else tbh, and also that it would work against us re. any 50-50 decisions from the ref. Ist half proved this in a few instances. Mon will probably shout about their black card near the end of 1st half, but asking their goalie at start of 2nd, he had no bother with it ! Tyr were far too slow getting into good positions compared to Monaghan, and their closing down of Tyr kickouts was the winning of the game in my opinion. Better system, players all on board the plan , while Tyr had very little outside McShane , Burns and Brennan. Shocking misses in last 5 from Tyrone especially, some players will have big regrets at their choices. Good luck to Monaghan, great team ethic , strong players in the tackle and smart on the sidelines. PS Brennan's point in the first half from the sideline was as good as I've ever seen.
Quote from: Dire Ear on April 07, 2016, 09:26:29 AM
Was at the match with 2 other Ty supporters. Expecting a tight game , but a Tyrone victory. Before the game even started we were shaking our heads at Tyrone still warming up ( maybe less than a minute, but this is after a 5 min delayed throw-in) with the ref and Mon waiting. Thought it was a bit disrespectful of everyone else tbh, and also that it would work against us re. any 50-50 decisions from the ref. Ist half proved this in a few instances. Mon will probably shout about their black card near the end of 1st half, but asking their goalie at start of 2nd, he had no bother with it ! Tyr were far too slow getting into good positions compared to Monaghan, and their closing down of Tyr kickouts was the winning of the game in my opinion. Better system, players all on board the plan , while Tyr had very little outside McShane , Burns and Brennan. Shocking misses in last 5 from Tyrone especially, some players will have big regrets at their choices. Good luck to Monaghan, great team ethic , strong players in the tackle and smart on the sidelines. PS Brennan's point in the first half from the sideline was as good as I've ever seen.
You were shaking your head for less than a minute?? must not have been too bad then.
At least we can weigh in behind Dinky Mc Bride now, another tyrone man doing well outside the county!
Quote from: TF15 on April 06, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
Better team won. As I said before the competition started this Tyrone side hadn't near the class of last year and Ulster was the best that could be hoped for.
Agree with Tyronemans observations.
- Short kick outs on a night like that puts corner backs under tremendous pressure and clearly was costing Tyrone scores time and again. The inability to deviate from this plan I thought showed the rigidity in the system Tyrone play.
- McShane looked out on his feet, was a really disappointing performance by him.
- Lee Brennan is all class and a future star but the 45s in the second half could maybe have been worked better.
-Young McKiernan could be a fine prospect. For 18 the lad impressed me.
- Ref made one major decision calling an over carrying on a Tyrone defender when he was pushed in the back clearly. Free put Monaghan 3 up and gave them the necessary breathing room.
Hope Monaghan win the AI now, best of luck lads!
What club is he?
anyone have the full team/panel from last night?
Team from last night:
S Fox - Killyclogher
C McCann - Fintona
M McKernan - Coalisland
S Hamill - Donaghmore
C Byrne - Eglish
F Burns - Pomeroy
M O'Neill - Ardboe
C McShane - Owen Roes
R Loughran - Carrickmore
M Flanagan - Omagh
M Kavanagh - Errigal
DD Mulgrew - Ardboe
L Brennan - Trillick
R Coleman - Moy
S Fox - Greencastle
Subs used: D Gallagher - Trillick, R McGlone - Aghaloo, S O'Donnell - Trillick, B McDonnell - Errigal
Quote from: Dire Ear on April 07, 2016, 09:26:29 AM
Was at the match with 2 other Ty supporters. Expecting a tight game , but a Tyrone victory. Before the game even started we were shaking our heads at Tyrone still warming up ( maybe less than a minute, but this is after a 5 min delayed throw-in) with the ref and Mon waiting. Thought it was a bit disrespectful of everyone else tbh, and also that it would work against us re. any 50-50 decisions from the ref. Ist half proved this in a few instances. Mon will probably shout about their black card near the end of 1st half, but asking their goalie at start of 2nd, he had no bother with it ! Tyr were far too slow getting into good positions compared to Monaghan, and their closing down of Tyr kickouts was the winning of the game in my opinion. Better system, players all on board the plan , while Tyr had very little outside McShane , Burns and Brennan. Shocking misses in last 5 from Tyrone especially, some players will have big regrets at their choices. Good luck to Monaghan, great team ethic , strong players in the tackle and smart on the sidelines. PS Brennan's point in the first half from the sideline was as good as I've ever seen.
The black carded player in question was the captain, therefore it was an issue for the team to quickly reorganise and deal with the Tyrone danger man.
Congrats Monaghan and hope you go on to win it.
Didn't realise Dinky was managing them. Interesting they have a Tyrone man as their u21 manager and a Fermanagh man as their senior manager and seem to be winning things with them.
At least we'll be out of the media hype now for a while. ;)
Well done to monaghan a bit of a shook to say the least but I suppose they did win the minor crown so would not have feared Tyrone like senior Monaghan teams do.
Hard to see past the Dubs however who seem to have such a strong panel
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
Congrats Monaghan and hope you go on to win it.
Didn't realise Dinky was managing them. Interesting they have a Tyrone man as their u21 manager and a Fermanagh man as their senior manager and seem to be winning things with them.
At least we'll be out of the media hype now for a while. ;)
Malachy and McBride are definitely doing a great job but as McBride said last night, there's been a huge amount of work done at schools level and with the development squads over the last ten years or so. So everyone involved at those levels deserve alot of credit too.
Most players 25/26 and under would have come through the development squads since a focus was put on them, and there'd be a good chunk of the senior team now in that age bracket.
Quote from: The Bearded One on April 07, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
Team from last night:
S Fox - Killyclogher
C McCann - Fintona
M McKernan - Coalisland
S Hamill - Donaghmore
C Byrne - Eglish
F Burns - Pomeroy
M O'Neill - Ardboe
C McShane - Owen Roes
R Loughran - Carrickmore
M Flanagan - Omagh
M Kavanagh - Errigal
DD Mulgrew - Ardboe
L Brennan - Trillick
R Coleman - Moy
S Fox - Greencastle
Subs used: D Gallagher - Trillick, R McGlone - Aghaloo, S O'Donnell - Trillick, B McDonnell - Errigal
McKernan (2 Years), O'Neill, Mulgrew (2 Years), Brennan, Colman (2 Years) all still available next year along with plenty of the unused subs - Peter Teague, Padraig McGirr, Eoghain Murray; and those not part of the 24 - James Darcy, Johnny Harkin.
So a good foundation of a team to work on for next year.
Well done to Monaghan. Also well done to our Tyrone posters for being magnanimous in defeat. They (Tyronies) are not all that bad you know! :P
fergal logan showed declan bonner how to behave in defeat
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Well done Monaghan. I always think at this level you need to get your better players on the ball, and I never head Brennan mentioned much in the first half and McShane, Burns, nor Kavanagh the whole contest.
Sounds like Monaghan did their homework and out thought Tyrone.
Hopefully they go on and beat Mayo now. It is Mayo isn't it?
Badly worded there. Brennan appeared to be kept much quieter in the second half while the other 3 appeared to be quiet all game.
In fairness to Tyrone I think they'd a few players playing through the pain barrier tonight which is a result of the 'harder' half of the draw. That's the way it goes.
Perhaps the protracted warm-up (Tyrone Haka?) even after the 5 min delay took its toll?
Super result for Monaghan last night. A real joy to witness!
I thought the first half somewhat mirrored the start of last weeks game. Well mostly, Armagh didn't do a mini Haka beforehand... Tyrone looked that bit more fluid up front with some fine scores while Monaghan seemed to be hanging on a small bit, not helped by some poor shooting. Brennan and Fox (who should have been booked early on for his efforts at tailing Ryan for every Monaghan attack) looked very sharp and had they have been kept in the game in the second half Tyrone would have been hard stopped. The sideline kick was crazy against a wind that didn't know what way it was blowing. But credit to Monaghan they kept going and went in just one down. The first 15min of the second half won that game. Tackles, turnovers and improved shooting with McCarthy really getting into it, turned the game around and albeit with a bit of clinging on at the end, Monaghan were worthy winners. The free from Meegans pressure off Tyrone's kickout was a real lift for the team. I thought Forde in goal had a shout for MoM. Some inch perfect kickouts in the first half as well as the double save. He seems well capable of playing senior in the years to come.
It was great to see some of the senior panel players playing against their peers as well. People are quick with the 'what's all the fuss about' line when younger fellas are brought on for the seniors, especially with the nature of this year`s league where all games were critical. Watching McGinn, McAnespie, McCarthy as the likes of Ward, Loughran, Meegan performing over the past few games bodes really well for the future as long as they are managed correctly... whatever that means!
Upmonaghansayswe!
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
fergal logan showed declan bonner how to behave in defeat
He also showed no one how to behave during victory the last night too.
You're the best example of a sore loser on here Syferus.
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 07, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
Well done to monaghan a bit of a shook to say the least but I suppose they did win the minor crown so would not have feared Tyrone like senior Monaghan teams do.
Hard to see past the Dubs however who seem to have such a strong panel
Wouldn't be regarded as a strong Dub panel. A couple of strong players, but were underdogs against Kildare, and on another day they could have beaten us. If Kerry win tonight, I think they'll kick on and win overall. But if Cork win, then its completeley wide open and there for any of the semi finalists to go on and win it.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
+1. As long as it's not Kerry or Dublin most will be happy.
Quote from: Syferus on April 07, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
+1. As long as it's not Kerry or Dublin most will be happy.
Same as it ever was.
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Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
fergal logan showed declan bonner how to behave in defeat
He also showed no one how to behave during victory the last night too.
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/04/24-week-ban-for-bonner/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2016/04/24-week-ban-for-bonner/)
Kerry 0-2 Cork 0-0, 2 minutes gone.
http://media.radiokerry.ie/mediamanager/embed/player/
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Quote from: Syferus on April 07, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
+1. As long as it's not Kerry or Dublin most will be happy.
Same as it ever was.
In fairness I'd prefer either over Tyrone and their toxicity. Simple fact is the more vibrant the underage is the better the senior grade will be in the years ahead.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 07, 2016, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 07, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
+1. As long as it's not Kerry or Dublin most will be happy.
Same as it ever was.
In fairness I'd prefer either over Tyrone and their toxicity. Simple fact is the more vibrant the underage is the better the senior grade will be in the years ahead.
At least you'd have to worry about Tyrone winning one, talk of Roscommon doing something at a national level is fantastical stuff.
Cork 1-4 Kerry 0-4.
Cork 2-4 Kerry 0-4, Cork sound like much the better team.
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Cork 1-4 Kerry 0-4.
Another Cork goal they sound well in control of this game. Any response from Kerry?
HT Cork 2-4 Kerry 0-7. Kerry right back in it but Cork missed a few scoreable frees and have the wind in the second half so still in the driving seat.
Kerry struggled against limerick and Tipp no surprise to see Cork in the driving seat tonight.
2-5 to 0-8 now.
GOAL Kerry, Cork 2-5 Kerry 1-9 and Kerry now clip over another point.
Cork 2-5 Kerry 1-10
Cracking game! Cork 3-7 Kerry 1-11.
3-8 to 1-13, 4 minutes additional time.
Level.
Cork up by a point.
Cork win by a point 3-9 to 1-14, great game.
Goals wins games. Monaghan will have to be on guard to conceding goals in the semi final.
Tuned in for the 2nd half - sounded like a cracker.
Utter madness games like this aren't televised.
Quote from: Syferus on April 07, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
+1. As long as it's not Kerry or Dublin most will be happy.
Or your Rhubarb mates :P
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 07, 2016, 08:54:43 PM
Tuned in for the 2nd half - sounded like a cracker.
Utter madness games like this aren't televised.
Agree. The GAA hierarchy can't grasp that this is an important tournament.
It also shows the All-Ireland itself could be run-off in 8 weeks like U-21.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 07, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 07, 2016, 08:54:43 PM
Tuned in for the 2nd half - sounded like a cracker.
Utter madness games like this aren't televised.
Agree. The GAA hierarchy can't grasp that this is an important tournament.
It also shows the All-Ireland itself could be run-off in 8 weeks like U-21.
When you see Paraic Duffy trying for 10 years and finally succeeding to get rid of this competition a few weeks ago it doesn't come as a surprise as to how poor the U21 championship has been covered this year.
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
Will there be highlights of these two games next week maybe? I read somewhere that tg4 had cameras at the game last night.
Quote from: Schkite on April 07, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Will there be highlights of these two games next week maybe? I read somewhere that tg4 had cameras at the game last night.
Monday night on TG4
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Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
His ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2016, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: Schkite on April 07, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Will there be highlights of these two games next week maybe? I read somewhere that tg4 had cameras at the game last night.
Monday night on TG4
Armagh TV were not allowed to show it live as TG4 had the rights and wanted to show highlights.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 07, 2016, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
His ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
So Bonner punches an u21 player and has got off scott free? Incredible if this is really the case.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
Rossfan I'm sure Monaghan U21's will be thrilled by the support of their erstwhile fanclub from Roscommon. Anytime i attended Croke Park over the years, I always suported a Connacht county if Mayo were not involved. That was always the way with my Galway mates also. Perhaps some of the xenophobia from the sheep forum has taken hold of an otherwise reasonable poster
Quote from: Mayo Border on April 08, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
Rossfan I'm sure Monaghan U21's will be thrilled by the support of their erstwhile fanclub from Roscommon. Anytime i attended Croke Park over the years, I always suported a Connacht county if Mayo were not involved. That was always the way with my Galway mates also. Perhaps some of the xenophobia from the sheep forum has taken hold of an otherwise reasonable poster
What about Willie Joe and the lads? Mayo GAA Banter on FB? Seen worse stuff there than on SS and no one seems to pull them up on it like on SS.
Monaghan will be everyone's darling in the AISFs because they're the underdogs with not much history or money behind them. That's understandable.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2016, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: Schkite on April 07, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Will there be highlights of these two games next week maybe? I read somewhere that tg4 had cameras at the game last night.
Monday night on TG4
When on Monday?
I only see this on the sceideal 8.30pm - 9.30pm Súil siar ar Chluichí Leathcheannais Shraith Peile Allianz.
Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2016, 12:57:01 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on April 08, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
Rossfan I'm sure Monaghan U21's will be thrilled by the support of their erstwhile fanclub from Roscommon. Anytime i attended Croke Park over the years, I always suported a Connacht county if Mayo were not involved. That was always the way with my Galway mates also. Perhaps some of the xenophobia from the sheep forum has taken hold of an otherwise reasonable poster
What about Willie Joe and the lads? Mayo GAA Banter on FB? Seen worse stuff there than on SS and no one seems to pull them up on it like on SS.
Monaghan will be everyone's darling in the AISFs because they're the underdogs with not much history or money behind them. That's understandable.
Not much history and even less money but we've got Tyrone behind us.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2016, 01:20:52 PM
Well done to Monaghan. Also well done to our Tyrone posters for being magnanimous in defeat. They (Tyronies) are not all that bad you know! :P
Dinky the Tyrone basturd! ;)
Well done the Monaghan lads.
Quote from: Mayo Border on April 08, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Well done Monaghan.
Be great if ye could win the thing.
Rossfan I'm sure Monaghan U21's will be thrilled by the support of their erstwhile fanclub from Roscommon. Anytime i attended Croke Park over the years, I always suported a Connacht county if Mayo were not involved. That was always the way with my Galway mates also. Perhaps some of the xenophobia from the sheep forum has taken hold of an otherwise reasonable poster
As a true and proper Irishman and coming from an underdog County I always support the underdog.
Most true Irish people outside of Cork Dublin and Mayowestros want Monaghan to win the U21.
Mind you there might be a few Cyaavanites........
Are the Semi final venues Set ...I presume Monaghan and Cork will be in Portlaoise and Mayo and dublin in tullamore??
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 07, 2016, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
His ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
I heard he resigned after the game as he knew he had overstepped the line.
Apparently he man handled an Ulster official as well but I wasn't at the game so I didn't witness this myself.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2016, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 07, 2016, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
His ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
I heard he resigned after the game as he knew he had overstepped the line.
Apparently he man handled an Ulster official as well but I wasn't at the game so I didn't witness this myself.
A lot of people have heard things, but did anyone actually see anything? The provincial council officials and stewards don't seem to have seen anything either (if they had then he'd have received a suspension I'd assume?).
Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2016, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 07, 2016, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: ck on April 07, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 07, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
ulster council hand out 2 grand fines for handbags at end of u 21 semi in celtic park as usual the sinned get hit as hard as the sinner 24 week ban for bonner a whitewash as he is not involved with any club or county team until next year if he is still in charge of donegal u 21s
What did Bonner get 24weeks for precisely? If it's for punching a player then it underlines what a utter joke the GAA is. If he actually did punch a player (I have my doubts and suspect that it's just talk by Tyrone supporters) then he should never be let near a sideline again. If he did it why are the media not all over it?
His ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
I heard he resigned after the game as he knew he had overstepped the line.
Apparently he man handled an Ulster official as well but I wasn't at the game so I didn't witness this myself.
A lot of people have heard things, but did anyone actually see anything? The provincial council officials and stewards don't seem to have seen anything either (if they had then he'd have received a suspension I'd assume?).
QuoteHis ban was for abusing the ref.
You have my word that Bonner clipped at least one Tyrone player. I was told it was missed by the camera at the game.
Semis are a double header at Tullamore on Saturday the 16th.
Dubs v Mayo 2.45 pm
Monaghan v Cork 4.30pm
Quote from: Schkite on April 08, 2016, 02:09:26 PM
Semis are a double header at Tullamore on Saturday the 16th.
Dubs v Mayo 2.45 pm
Monaghan v Cork 4.30pm
There's more news according to GAA.ie TG4 live coverage
EirGrid All Ireland Under 21 Football Championship semi-final fixtures
Saturday April 16
Dublin v Mayo, O'Connor Park, Tullamore, 2.45pm (Live on TG4)
Cork v Monaghan, O'Connor Park, Tullamore, 4.30pm (Live on TG4)
Quote from: Schkite on April 08, 2016, 02:09:26 PM
Semis are a double header at Tullamore on Saturday the 16th.
Dubs v Mayo 2.45 pm
Monaghan v Cork 4.30pm
Crowd wise, you would think we would be first.
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2016, 01:03:17 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2016, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: Schkite on April 07, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Will there be highlights of these two games next week maybe? I read somewhere that tg4 had cameras at the game last night.
Monday night on TG4
When on Monday?
I only see this on the sceideal 8.30pm - 9.30pm Súil siar ar Chluichí Leathcheannais Shraith Peile Allianz.
That's the one. Or at least it was last Monday for the other semis.
Al Ireland semi finals on Saturday and not a word anywhere , is it any wonder there are poor crowds at this grade . GAA is wonderful but they really lack ambition at times when it comes to promoting a game to maximise attendance
To be fair the could be all the promotion in the world and there will be small enough crowds from cork and dublin. Monaghan will have a great support and mayo a decent support .
There is a rule of thumb in the GAA - the greater success at senior level = a smaller support at underage.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 12, 2016, 06:56:40 AM
Al Ireland semi finals on Saturday and not a word anywhere , is it any wonder there are poor crowds at this grade . GAA is wonderful but they really lack ambition at times when it comes to promoting a game to maximise attendance
it's not in Croke Park so there are no corporate boxes, Vendors etc to worry about. They don't care how many turn up for this game(s).
Quote from: larryin89 on April 12, 2016, 06:56:40 AM
Al Ireland semi finals on Saturday and not a word anywhere , is it any wonder there are poor crowds at this grade . GAA is wonderful but they really lack ambition at times when it comes to promoting a game to maximise attendance
Also TG4 does a great job but for huge swathes of households the channel doesn't remotely register (it has a 1.5% of the market share according to the TAM figures for Feb) so the GAA would be as well off broadcasting on Japanese television , in terms of attracting the attention of younger children/those outside the traditional strongholds/newer GAA supporters.
There's be quare giving out if they offered it to SKY or Setanta ::)
Quote from: larryin89 on April 12, 2016, 06:56:40 AM
Al Ireland semi finals on Saturday and not a word anywhere , is it any wonder there are poor crowds at this grade . GAA is wonderful but they really lack ambition at times when it comes to promoting a game to maximise attendance
Playing it in tullamore and at them times is even worse....
Why not in Portlaoise under lights on a Saturday evening ??
Easier venue for all to get to aswell
Tullamore is a better pitch, and a nicer venue. And it's not in Laois.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2016, 04:27:25 PM
Tullamore is a better pitch, and a nicer venue. And it's not in Laois.
Amen to that brother.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2016, 04:27:25 PM
Tullamore is a better pitch, and a nicer venue. And it's not in Laois.
Nightmare to get to compared to Portlaoise doesn't even have 4 ends to watch the game from...Stand is a joke if your in the middle section trying to get in or out in front of the press boxes who ever designed it should be shot.
Pitches are similar and from the inter county players I have spoken too they all like O'Moore Park ..
Not saying O'connor Park isn't good but they could have down so much better when upgrading it having been over there for few big games in last 5/6 years its too small the terrace is tiny and behind the goals coming in is no place to watch a match!!!!
No flood lights either??????????????
We don't need lights. It's naturally brighter in Offaly.
And as for the pitches, O'Connor Park is, was and always will be a better surface.
Tullamore is way better than Portlaoise.
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
Tullamore is way better than Portlaoise.
How so?
Pitch might be marginally better what else is better ....Don't say parking...Nighmare!!!
Why is Tullamore a nightmare to get to compared to Portlaoise? You can get a train direct from Dublin, and from Cork it's only one change. motorway wise, the M6 brings you to Kilbeggan which is just a few KM from Tullamore, and on the right side of town.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2016, 04:53:13 PM
Why is Tullamore a nightmare to get to compared to Portlaoise? You can get a train direct from Dublin, and from Cork it's only one change. motorway wise, the M6 brings you to Kilbeggan which is just a few KM from Tullamore, and on the right side of town.
Portlaoise is much the same apart from the west and a better stadium with a bigger capacity!
Tullamore was a health hazard a few years back both at a Laois Kildare game i was at and also at a Galway v Killkenny game about 7/8 years ago I remember kids on the terrace crying because of the squeeze
Time travel from Google maps Mayo -Tullamore 2:30
Monaghan - Tullamore 2:12
Dublin -Tullamore 1:20
Cork-Tullamore 2:20
Mayo-Portlaoise 2:48
Monaghan -Portlaoise 2:15
Dublin -Portlaoise 1 hour
Cork-Portlaoise 1:40
Not much difference but better train service no changes and non stops for Dublin and Cork plus good service from Mayo.
Two excellent provincial stadiums, pity you don't have teams worthy of them ;) At least Kildare has a team worthy of Newbridge.
Dublin and Crok two favs with bookies. Is this likely to be accurate lads? Monaghan could surprise Cork.
Prefer Tullamore myself.
Have to say the Portlaoise is an ideally situated neutral venue to get to for alot of counties, as is Parnell Park when a northern county is involved.
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Dublin and Crok two favs with bookies. Is this likely to be accurate lads? Monaghan could surprise Cork.
If it goes to the form of minor 2013 it will be a Monaghan v Mayo All Ireland final.
If Monaghan play the way they did in Ulster Cork will do very well to beat them.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 12, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
If Monaghan play the way they did in Ulster Cork will do very well to beat them.
Yeah I haven't seen them in action but from what I have read they appear to be very well organised. Significantly Cork have overcome Kerry, who were injury riddled. I'd guess Cork will be tested at very least. I can't see Mayo beat Dublin.
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 12, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
If Monaghan play the way they did in Ulster Cork will do very well to beat them.
Yeah I haven't seen them in action but from what I have read they appear to be very well organised. Significantly Cork have overcome Kerry, who were injury riddled. I'd guess Cork will be tested at very least. I can't see Mayo beat Dublin.
Why not? The gospel according to Indiana said this is the weakest Dublin U21 team for ten years.
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 12, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
If Monaghan play the way they did in Ulster Cork will do very well to beat them.
Yeah I haven't seen them in action but from what I have read they appear to be very well organised. Significantly Cork have overcome Kerry, who were injury riddled. I'd guess Cork will be tested at very least. I can't see Mayo beat Dublin.
Mayo fully capable of beating Dublin. All four teams have a good chance to win this one. I think Mayo might even have the best chance of the lot.
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 12, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
If Monaghan play the way they did in Ulster Cork will do very well to beat them.
Yeah I haven't seen them in action but from what I have read they appear to be very well organised. Significantly Cork have overcome Kerry, who were injury riddled. I'd guess Cork will be tested at very least. I can't see Mayo beat Dublin.
Mayo fully capable of beating Dublin. All four teams have a good chance to win this one. I think Mayo might even have the best chance of the lot.
Do you think so?
can t see it myself. Surprised we've got this far.
Quote from: ck on April 12, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Dublin and Crok two favs with bookies. Is this likely to be accurate lads? Monaghan could surprise Cork.
Having a small nibble on Monaghan - bookies have them at 15/8 which is a longer price than they should be imo.
I think Cork are getting too much credit for beating a very young injury-riddled Kerry side with an injury time point.
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Quote from: straightred on April 12, 2016, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Yeah Mayo were very impressive against us in the minor semi in 2013 and beat us well. I think at this stage now it's wide open really.
Highlights of the Ulster final here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AWXWJ6O1vA
Quote from: straightred on April 12, 2016, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Roscommon were best team Mayo beat in 2013. I wouldn't be surprised if history repeated itself. Monaghan let Mayo come straight down the field from a goal to let Mayo in for one at a crucial stage in 2013 semi, turning of the game.
I think its a Dublin v Cork final but I could be wrong!
Quote from: Schkite on April 13, 2016, 12:12:16 AM
Quote from: straightred on April 12, 2016, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Yeah Mayo were very impressive against us in the minor semi in 2013 and beat us well. I think at this stage now it's wide open really.
Highlights of the Ulster final here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AWXWJ6O1vA
Brilliant, thanks for the link. That was a savage performance and they will compete against Cork.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 13, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: straightred on April 12, 2016, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Roscommon were best team Mayo beat in 2013. I wouldn't be surprised if history repeated itself. Monaghan let Mayo come straight down the field from a goal to let Mayo in for one at a crucial stage in 2013 semi, turning of the game.
We had a really good squad of players in 2013 and would probably have beaten Mayo in the first round were it not for some horrendous goalkeeping errors that caused 4 of the 5 Mayo goals.
Mayo were a fine side also and you'd think they should be favourites to go all the way now.
There were good sides in Connacht this year
Dubs team for Saturday.
DUBLIN (U21FC v Mayo)
1 Lorcan Molloy (St Anne's)
2 Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
3 Shane Clayton (Ballyboden St Enda's)
4 Martin Cahalin (Cuala)
5 Cillian O'Shea (Kilmacud Crokes)
6 Seán McMahon (Raheny)
7 Eoin Smith (Skerries Harps)
8 Andy Foley (Clontarf)
9 Donal McIlgorm (Skerries Harps)
10 Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St Enda's)
11 Brian Howard (Raheny)
12 Killian Deeley (Na Fianna)
13 Chris Sallier (Na Fianna)
14 Con O'Callaghan (Cuala)
15 Darragh Spillane (Cuala)
I think that Mayo team can go all the way, they have a resilience that is rare in underage teams, Ros had them on the rack but they just kept plugging away and deserved their win in the end. Will be hard beaten I think.
If Mayo have a top class man marker capable of stopping Con O'Callaghan then they can win comfortably enough. Basquel is another threat but did little of note against Kildare as he was well marshalled by Paul Mescal who probably should have marked O'Callaghan.
The Dublin back line is weak enough defensively and from what I remember of their minor team 3 years ago there is some serious pace in this Mayo forward line so they should get joy there.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 15, 2016, 08:01:26 PM
If Mayo have a top class man marker capable of stopping Con O'Callaghan then they can win comfortably enough. Basquel is another threat but did little of note against Kildare as he was well marshalled by Paul Mescal who probably should have marked O'Callaghan.
The Dublin back line is weak enough defensively and from what I remember of their minor team 3 years ago there is some serious pace in this Mayo forward line so they should get joy there.
No Tommy Goals and the other corner forward died in a car crash a year or so ago, the poor lad. Cian Hanley their best HF three years ago is out with the Brisbane Lions with his big brother now. The only remaining member of that FF line is Liam Irwin and he's as slow as a train on half-speed, but a good striker of the ball all the same. Most of the threat from Mayo will come from the HBs and HFs with Coen, Akram, Loftus and Diarmuid O'Connor.
Mayo would have had a fantastic pack of forwards if they hadn't been struck by such misfortune.
Sad to hear that, they gave Westmeath a fair hammering that day.
2014 minor Brian Reape was as good if not better than most of the 2013 Mayo minor forwards. A free scoring forward from play with an eye for goals. He was tightly marked in the Connacht final however if he is up against a "defensively weak" Dublin back line he will be a potential match winner. On Liam Irwin he was just back from injury for the Roscommon game that match and the two week break should have him closer to full fitness now.
Con O'Callaghan clearly the one forward Mayo will need to contain more the most, Diarmuid Murtagh was doubled marked in Sligo yet he still managed to score 1-2 from play. Midfield is an area of concern for Mayo also as it wasn't until Roscommons best midfielder went off injured did Mayo break even there. How strong Dublin are in midfield could be deciding factor in this game.
All the provincial U-21 finals this year were won by one score and it took extra time to separate the two best in Leinster wouldn't it be great if we saw that type of competitiveness in the senior championship sometime soon.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 15, 2016, 08:01:26 PM
If Mayo have a top class man marker capable of stopping Con O'Callaghan then they can win comfortably enough. Basquel is another threat but did little of note against Kildare as he was well marshalled by Paul Mescal who probably should have marked O'Callaghan.
The Dublin back line is weak enough defensively and from what I remember of their minor team 3 years ago there is some serious pace in this Mayo forward line so they should get joy there.
Dublin have Shane Clayton and Eoin Murchan back in defence tomorrow. A simple google will tell people of their standard.
With all due respect pal we beat you because you weren't good enough.
Maybe Mayo will be good enough to beat us tomorrow- good luck to them if they are.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2016, 09:12:58 PM
Dublin have Shane Clayton and Eoin Murchan back in defence tomorrow. A simple google will tell people of their standard.
I did a quick google search and it told me Shane Clayton was brought on after four minutes in the last game and Eoin Murchan was brought on at half time. Back in defence tomorrow? you didn't attend the Leinster final or bother to read the report did you?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2016, 09:12:58 PM
Dublin have Shane Clayton and Eoin Murchan back in defence tomorrow. A simple google will tell people of their standard.
I did a quick google search and it told me Shane Clayton was brought on after four minutes in the last game and Eoin Murchan was brought on at half time. Back in defence tomorrow? you didn't attend the Leinster final or bother to read the report did you?
Shane Clayton was the outstanding player on the Ballyboden senior team this year ( you know that team that won the AI Club title) A 2 year Dubin minor and this is his second year starting on the Dublin u21's
Eoin Murchan is a two year Dublin minor. Former Dublin minor captain and a 3 year Dublin u21 player and captain this year too
Bear in mind this Dublin we are talking about. Anyone who thinks they won't make a difference is either stupid, ignorant or possibly both.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2016, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2016, 09:12:58 PM
Dublin have Shane Clayton and Eoin Murchan back in defence tomorrow. A simple google will tell people of their standard.
I did a quick google search and it told me Shane Clayton was brought on after four minutes in the last game and Eoin Murchan was brought on at half time. Back in defence tomorrow? you didn't attend the Leinster final or bother to read the report did you?
Shane Clayton was the outstanding player on the Ballyboden senior team this year ( you know that team that won the AI Club title) A 2 year Dubin minor and this is his second year starting on the Dublin u21's
Eoin Murchan is a two year Dublin minor. Former Dublin minor captain and a 3 year Dublin u21 player and captain this year too
Bear in mind this Dublin we are talking about. Anyone who thinks they won't make a difference is either stupid, ignorant or possibly both.
Bear in mind you said both will return tomorrow. I will leave it simple for you, Shane Clayton,Eoin Murchan were back in defence for the Leinster final.
Can't see anything other than a Dublin victory tomorrow and in the final. Far too superior to the teams left. Only Kerry would have given them a game. Mayo rode their luck in Connacht and it's waterloo for them tomorrow.
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Can't see anything other than a Dublin victory tomorrow and in the final. Far too superior to the teams left. Only Kerry would have given them a game. Mayo rode their luck in Connacht and it's waterloo for them tomorrow.
Get fooked, Jacko s CV not the way he visioned it now , hahaha.
Will have to make do with TG4 for this one, and a lot more games I'm afraid.. Must be a Mayo thing not releasing teams for this grade. Best of luck to them later on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2016, 07:41:45 AM
Will have to make do with TG4 for this one, and a lot more games I'm afraid.. Must be a Mayo thing not releasing teams for this grade. Best of luck to them later on.
Putting the usual 10 euro on Brian Reape hitting the onion bag!
Quote from: larryin89 on April 16, 2016, 06:21:03 AM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Can't see anything other than a Dublin victory tomorrow and in the final. Far too superior to the teams left. Only Kerry would have given them a game. Mayo rode their luck in Connacht and it's waterloo for them tomorrow.
Get fooked, Jacko s CV not the way he visioned it now , hahaha.
Jacko's CV will be back on track next year and the year after. Most of Jacko better players are 19/20 now. This was the weaker year of this group. Mayo are the weakest side left in the competition. Most if all Mayo people would tell you that.
Not an overly strong Dublin team, but O'Callaghan might be special.
Clayton was superb in Boden's run, and along with Murchan they would be the two others most likely to make it at senior level, in my view. Perhaps the keeper as well.
My 10 euro for first goal is on Basquel at 12/1.
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 16, 2016, 06:21:03 AM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Can't see anything other than a Dublin victory tomorrow and in the final. Far too superior to the teams left. Only Kerry would have given them a game. Mayo rode their luck in Connacht and it's waterloo for them tomorrow.
Get fooked, Jacko s CV not the way he visioned it now , hahaha.
Jacko's CV will be back on track next year and the year after. Most of Jacko better players are 19/20 now. This was the weaker year of this group. Mayo are the weakest side left in the competition. Most if all Mayo people would tell you that.
I don't know how you can make that out for sure,very difficult to know how teams compare at this grade , granted we didn't put in a great performance in provincial decider but two things , Ros are no bad team and I'd put money on it solan and co learned a lot from that game and will show improvement in defence today .
On my way now 42 bus into town from malahide, Luas to heuston and onto tullamore , have a bit of Craic with the second best supporters on the train down and up Mayo .
Cmon Monaghan.
Do it for all the little Counties!!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
Cmon Monaghan.
Do it for all the little Counties!!!!
Cork have the support of a microscopic county anyways.
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2016, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
Cmon Monaghan.
Do it for all the little Counties!!!!
Cork have the support of a microscopic county anyways.
Will many Corkies travel today I wonder?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2016, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2016, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
Cmon Monaghan.
Do it for all the little Counties!!!!
Cork have the support of a microscopic county anyways.
Will many Corkies travel today I wonder?
The usual 3 ;D
Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Not an overly strong Dublin team, but O'Callaghan might be special.
Clayton was superb in Boden's run, and along with Murchan they would be the two others most likely to make it at senior level, in my view. Perhaps the keeper as well.
My 10 euro for first goal is on Basquel at 12/1.
Alan Foley is very useful at this level mainly due to his physicality, the problem is that when he gets to senior level his advantage in that department is diminished.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
Cmon Monaghan.
Do it for all the little Counties!!!!
I don't think Monaghan have ever reached U21 All Ireland final best of luck to Monaghan today.
Living abroad and wondering how to see the game.All T naG are showing is a ladies game.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 16, 2016, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 16, 2016, 06:21:03 AM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Can't see anything other than a Dublin victory tomorrow and in the final. Far too superior to the teams left. Only Kerry would have given them a game. Mayo rode their luck in Connacht and it's waterloo for them tomorrow.
Get fooked, Jacko s CV not the way he visioned it now , hahaha.
Jacko's CV will be back on track next year and the year after. Most of Jacko better players are 19/20 now. This was the weaker year of this group. Mayo are the weakest side left in the competition. Most if all Mayo people would tell you that.
I don't know how you can make that out for sure,very difficult to know how teams compare at this grade , granted we didn't put in a great performance in provincial decider but two things , Ros are no bad team and I'd put money on it solan and co learned a lot from that game and will show improvement in defence today .
Kerry won the Minor titles in 2014 and 2015! A lot of these were involved in last years Junior title where we beat a poor Mayo side in the final.
Akram allowed to take 7 steps before hop and solo. Nice touch for Mayo goal. Dublin playing against very strong wind, 7 points down after 11 mins.
Feeble effort by Dublin so far was Leinster U21 football weak this year?
Have Mayo backed heavily in this one.
Dublin look to be doing everything at walking pace.
Mayo allowing Dublin freedom to carry it up to a certain point and then flooding the defence in the scoring zone.
Dubs struggling to cope with that up front
Great score from doc.Think wind is a major factor.
Quote from: maigheo on April 16, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Living abroad and wondering how to see the game.All T naG are showing is a ladies game.
I'm living abroad also
I see your problem, you have to download and install a blocker like Hola, (free)
open up
http://www.tg4.ie/
ireland, should come up as an option in hola
choose the tricolour
then wait a few secs and go to this page
http://www.tg4.ie/ga/beo/baile/ (http://www.tg4.ie/ga/beo/baile/)
Better to put hola on a browser that you only use for that purpose, and not your daily browser.
if you install it onto your daily browser , search for instruction on deinstalling it.
Get there fast, the young men of west have woken.
Quote from: maigheo on April 16, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Living abroad and wondering how to see the game.All T naG are showing is a ladies game.
Tg4 are showing the u21 game.
If you have a laptop download he Hola extension for the google chrome browser.
You'll be able to watch as if in Ireland then
Can't get over how slow the Dublin players look in comparison to the Mayo lads.
Second to every break even when they start yards in front
Quote from: Rudi on April 16, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
Great score from doc.Think wind is a major factor.
Mayo way the better side.
Quote from: galwayman on April 16, 2016, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 16, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Living abroad and wondering how to see the game.All T naG are showing is a ladies game.
Tg4 are showing the u21 game.
If you have a laptop download he Hola extension for the google chrome browser.
You'll be able to watch as if in Ireland then
Thanks but do not have a laptop
Diarmuid O'Connor is a lovely footballer, nice calm almost languid style.
Like the wing-back Akram as well, good work-rate and an eye for a score.
Dublin will go for goals early in the 2nd half I suspect, at this stage hard to see anything but a Mayo win though.
Quote from: maigheo on April 16, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: galwayman on April 16, 2016, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 16, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Living abroad and wondering how to see the game.All T naG are showing is a ladies game.
Tg4 are showing the u21 game.
If you have a laptop download he Hola extension for the google chrome browser.
You'll be able to watch as if in Ireland then
Thanks but do not have a laptop
You can do much the same with the Hola app on mobile. Think it's a seven day free trial but you should be able to watch this match no bother.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 13, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: straightred on April 12, 2016, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 12, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Not much hope for our lads! Hope they hold their own against Dublin.
Didnt this Mayo team give Monaghan a good beating 3 years ago at minor and then go on to win the AI? I know things move on in 3 years but are they really going from AI winners to no hopers? For what its worth neither Dublin or Cork even made their respective provincial finals that year
Roscommon were best team Mayo beat in 2013. I wouldn't be surprised if history repeated itself. Monaghan let Mayo come straight down the field from a goal to let Mayo in for one at a crucial stage in 2013 semi, turning of the game.
On the evidence of that 1st half today you could well be right.
Some collspse here.
Can't stop O'Callaghan, the wind means this game is over.
Dubs taking control of the game now. You hard pressed to back against them driving on for the win easy enough from here on in. Better balanced team since they have got to the pace of the game.
That was a well worked goal for the Dubs.
Deegan was bright when he came on against Kildare too, probably should be a starter.
Could see that coming, wind is very strong, Mayo team should have been bet out the gate in Sligo a couple of weeks ago.
Dubs turning the screw and look like they can win by as much as they want from here on in.
Some turnaround.
Dubs have picked up their game since half time.
I don't even think it's got much to do with the wind.
Wind won't win any game for a team.
Dubs just lol to have found another gear.
Goal for Mayo & they're back in it.
Not over yet
Where was this Dublin team in the 1st half? Mayo have fell away badly after looking like they would win pulling up.
p***k of a ref.
Referee no endearing himself to the Mayo crowd!
There's a goal in Mayo yet.
Dubs not putting them away
Irwin could be good if he dropped a couple of hole sizes.
Dublin turning the ball over time and again now instead of holding onto it and making Mayo chase the ball.
Could come back to haunt them now
One point game could be extra time yet.
Mayo showing bottle
Very similar pattern to the Leinster final
Wides killing us again , 7 wides now. Great point by Basquel that is how you do it in fairness.
What are ye feeding the young lads in Mayo.
The size of them.
This to win it?!
O'Connor has engineered some late frees here to win the game.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Unfucking believable!!
yeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Some game neither team deserve to lose. Diarmuid o Connor has been a colossus driving at the dubs
Sine è.
Hard to beat that Mayo side. Better team for 90% of the match and shouldn't have left themselves in that position. Can't see them losing the final after showing so well with the pressure on in the last two games.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
What are ye feeding the young lads in Mayo.
The size of them.
This to win it?!
Hunky Dorys , Meath's finest ;D . what a win unbelievable!!!
Hard luck to the Dubs and especially young Molloy , heartbreaking.
Unbelievable Jeff! ;D
That is not good for the heart, great character
Fair play to Mayo, O'Connor showed some determination to put himself in the position to win those frees. Indiana will be complaining about his team bottling it now I suppose.
Oconnor grabs dub defender by arm to get free for equaliser. Takes a dive for free to win the game. Wides for Dublin cost them in the end
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2016, 04:07:07 PM
Sine è.
Hard to beat that Mayo side. Better team for 90% of the match and shouldn't have left themselves in that position. Can't see them losing the final after showing so well with the pressure on in the last two games.
Congrats on your favourite county winning today
O Connor is some warrior in fairness.
Quote from: dublin7 on April 16, 2016, 04:08:34 PM
Oconnor grabs dub defender by arm to get free for equaliser. Takes a dive for free to win the game. Wides for Dublin cost them in the end
I didn't think it was a free to be honest. Was definitely playing for it.
When u put ur arm around someone's neck it's going to be a free all day long
The one DOC got pulled up for over carrying was a stone wall free too which was missed
They were a little soft but Dublin by having 15 players back in their 45 were inviting pressure on themselves.
The keeper scuffed the kick out at the end a the ref hopped the ball. Anybody know what the free was for? Did it travel 13 metres
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Referee no endearing himself to the Mayo crowd!
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He got that decision right, but handed the game to Mayo with 4 or 5 frees at the end. Mayo have character and luck.
Great comebacks by both teams.
Well done to the Mayo lads, totally deserved and ended the game the stronger, on the front foot.
Frees. Right. Wrong. Whatever. As a neutral football is a great game on days like this. Well done Mayo. Hard luck Dublin.
And as an Ulster man - good luck Monaghan.
Mark Harte saying it wasn't a free without actually coming out and saying it straight out.
Quote from: Mclf on April 16, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2016, 04:07:07 PM
Sine è.
Hard to beat that Mayo side. Better team for 90% of the match and shouldn't have left themselves in that position. Can't see them losing the final after showing so well with the pressure on in the last two games.
Congrats on your favourite county winning today
He'll be unbearable for the next 2 weeks
His mates didn't look too smart from the 31st to the 50th minutes.
They did well to come back though. Refwas a bit iinconsistent :o
Quote from: Rudi on April 16, 2016, 04:12:45 PM
Referee no endearing himself to the Mayo crowd!
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He got that decision right, but handed the game to Mayo with 4 or 5 frees at the end. Mayo have character and luck.
In fairness he kept Dublin in the game with a few handy ones in the first half. Dublin played well for 20 minutes, but were out of it for the rest!
Mayo the better team but they got some big calls in their favour over the last 10 minutes which were clearly incorrect.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 16, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Mayo the better team but they got some big calls in their favour over the last 10 minutes which were clearly incorrect.
I only seen the last 2 minutes. Il watch it ltr but that was the same clown who reffed the Ulster final 2 weeks ago and cost us the game as well with brutal calls
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 16, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Mayo the better team but they got some big calls in their favour over the last 10 minutes which were clearly incorrect.
Ah that's what happens when you have a partisan crowd behind you. It gets to the Referee! He's only human after all!
Winning score was not a foul and im not sure how the ref got fooled so easy. A bad way to win or lose All Ireland semi final however over the sixty minutes the best team won.
The standard of refs is truly appalling. The standard of both teams in difficult conditions was commendable. Great score by the Mayo midfielder. O Connor like his bro is well able to win soft frees if frees at all.
Some top quality scores at the start of this game.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: Mclf on April 16, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2016, 04:07:07 PM
Sine è.
Hard to beat that Mayo side. Better team for 90% of the match and shouldn't have left themselves in that position. Can't see them losing the final after showing so well with the pressure on in the last two games.
Congrats on your favourite county winning today
He'll be unbearable for the next 2 weeks
His mates didn't look too smart from the 31st to the 50th minutes.
They did well to come back though. Refwas a bit iinconsistent :o
Even more unbearable more like, get ready for 2 big weeks of ultimate drooling over the rhubarbs, especially his beloved Ballagh boys.
Quote from: Rudi on April 16, 2016, 04:33:33 PM
The standard of refs is truly appalling. The standard of both teams in difficult conditions was commendable. Great score by the Mayo midfielder. O Connor like his bro is well able to win soft frees if frees at all.
That he is! He has experience beyond his years. A clever as well as a skillful footballer. Dublin got afraid of winning coming into the home stretch.
Referee did neither team favours. That his decision for the winning point was considered controversial does not belittle the importance of his his earlier poor decisions.
That Cork centre forward looks a handy player!!
Not as good as the Monaghan Centre forward!!!!
This looks like it will be a cracker. Monaghan need to push mcanespie up the field more
Monaghan could rue missing frees like that.
Some big lads on the Cork team.
Monaghan goalie looks handy enough ;D
Surely a penalty
Monaghan normally strong in defence not so today. How did the Cork goalkeeper avoid a black card?
Cork being very efficient, they look a decent outfit.
Monaghan probably the better team but they can't handle the size of the two Cork lads in the full forward line and the high ball is causing consternation in their full back line. Have they any big mullockers they could bring on to mark them?
Barry McGinn is some player. Remember seeing him run the show for castleblaney school not that long ago
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 16, 2016, 04:57:36 PM
Monaghan normally strong in defence not so today. How did the Cork goalkeeper avoid a black card?
Looked like a clear black to me.
The last couple of hours have been outstanding. Some entertainment.
Fine game thus far.
Quote from: mackers on April 16, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
The last couple of hours have been outstanding. Some entertainment.
And this is the grade they scrapped!
Quote from: ashman on April 16, 2016, 05:08:09 PM
Fine game thus far.
Better to watch and better standard than 1st game.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 16, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Monaghan probably the better team but they can't handle the size of the two Cork lads in the full forward line and the high ball is causing consternation in their full back line. Have they any big mullockers they could bring on to mark them?
If there was a height limit
u21 and u192cm Monaghan would have this game wrapped up.
I thought there was a bit of doubt about that alleged black card mauling by the cork goalie. The Monaghan player looked to have slipped on the turn.
Yeah, great entertaining football. Disgrace that Provincial Finals were not televised live when you see painful games like the League semi finals are!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: ashman on April 16, 2016, 05:08:09 PM
Fine game thus far.
Better to watch and better standard than 1st game.
Yes, far better standard of scores and direct play.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 16, 2016, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 16, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
The last couple of hours have been outstanding. Some entertainment.
And this is the grade they scrapped!
A joke that Paraic Duffy got his way to scrap this grade >:(
Are Cork people naturally 'chunky'?
McCarthy is quality. Great score.
Cork keeping Monaghan at arms length! Monaghan need a goal!
Great game, u21 is high quality stuff, daft beyond words to scrap it.
Who were the delegates who voted for the scraping actually representing? It sounds like there's almost no support at grassroots for the change.
Some quality scores from play for Cork.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2016, 05:33:16 PM
Cork keeping Monaghan at arms length! Monaghan need a goal!
Pretty much everytime Monaghan got a point in the 2nd half Cork have responded with a point immediately.
Quote from: redzone on April 16, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
The keeper scuffed the kick out at the end a the ref hopped the ball. Anybody know what the free was for? Did it travel 13 metres
It didn't, Dublin lad had to step inside the 13m line to pick it up and it was a straight kick
Some very good players on this Monaghan team - McCarthy, McGinn, McAnespie, Ward and the no. 6 being the standouts.
But unfortunately, much like senior level, they just lack those big guys who can win primary possession - without those type of players they'll hit a ceiling which won't really bring them past provincial level.
Cork and Mayo in a underage final - Novel pairing! :P
Hard luck Monaghan defended poorly today which didn't happen in Ulster. I think Mayo will win the final.
The more economical and 'streetwise' team won. Hard luck Monaghan. I still have a feeling they will get more senior players out of this team than Cork.
Generally not a great deal between any of the 4 teams. Any combination would grace a final.
On a different note watching the referees today you would think there was 2 different types of rules. One blew everything and the other lost the pip in his whistle!
Great game. Monaghan can consider themselves very unlucky.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2016, 05:53:25 PM
Cork and Mayo in a underage final - Novel pairing! :P
A repeat of the 2006 All Ireland U21 final and i would expect a repeat result.
In the end it was deserved by Cork. Cork were able to exploit space in the Monaghan half and some good approach work in front of goal.
Monaghan did well to bring the game to the wire, beaten but not bowed. All in all, 2 very good games with some great confident point scoring.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2016, 05:53:25 PM
Cork and Mayo in a underage final - Novel pairing! :P
A repeat of the 2006 All Ireland U21 final and i would expect a repeat result.
Nice to be there. Great spirit in this group and have a natural all round leader in Diarmuid.
2 very good games today.Should be a good final.Hard luck to Monaghan,they can be proud of their performance.
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
Two very good games. I only saw a glimpse of it but did the Monaghan player do a really bad dive to get the cork player a black card?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
+1.
U20 will hardly be too bad or do lads only become good at 21?????
O'Connor like some one mentioned earlier know how to manufacture a free. Mayo very lucky to be in the final. Dublin played well for the middle third of the game only. Nearly bottled it like all Mayo teams do eventually. Cork will have more than enough for them in the final. Being a final you can take a couple of scores away from Mayo. Because Mayo teams psychologically need to be better than they think they are to win finals. Mayo teams have already lost 3 All Ireland finals this year. They just don't have the bottle in the final hurdle. In all three finals they were seriously outclassed! I presume the final will be in Limerick?
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 06:15:59 PM
O'Connor like some one mentioned earlier know how to manufacture a free. Mayo very lucky to be in the final. Dublin played well for the middle third of the game only. Nearly bottled it like all Mayo teams do eventually. Cork will have more than enough for them in the final. Being a final you can take a couple of scores away from Mayo. Because Mayo teams psychologically need to be better than they think they are to win finals. Mayo teams have already lost 3 All Ireland finals this year. They just don't have the bottle in the final hurdle. In all three finals they were seriously outclassed! I presume the final will be in Limerick?
You need to use some subtlety lad.
Sure Mayo may as well have stayed at home today according to Thy Kingdom Come ::)
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 16, 2016, 06:15:59 PM
O'Connor like some one mentioned earlier know how to manufacture a free. Mayo very lucky to be in the final. Dublin played well for the middle third of the game only. Nearly bottled it like all Mayo teams do eventually. Cork will have more than enough for them in the final. Being a final you can take a couple of scores away from Mayo. Because Mayo teams psychologically need to be better than they think they are to win finals. Mayo teams have already lost 3 All Ireland finals this year. They just don't have the bottle in the final hurdle. In all three finals they were seriously outclassed! I presume the final will be in Limerick?
I'm glad you have written this after a Mayo triumph. Especially against the odds in the last couple of minutes against a decent Dublin side. Yeah, we have had our bad days in the office and Mitchels let themselves down in the final this year. But hey we keep going! And coming back and back! It takes some character to keep that hunger going? As for the other defeats! Take a look at your own joke of a grading system for Intermediate and junior. If we had the same system, Davitts Ballyhaunis Ballaghaderreen Claremorris Crossmolina Deel Rovers Ballinrobe Charlestown Sarsfields Shrule/Glencorrib would be all intermediate and god help you if one of them was our Champions! Look deeper anymore mate! It's not all what it looks like on the surface!
By the way you said the Dubs would hammer us today. Some knowledgeable bloke you are!
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
I'd prefer the Sigerson was scrapped or did not involve senior county players ahead of modifying the u21 and minor grades.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 16, 2016, 06:33:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
I'd prefer the Sigerson was scrapped or did not involve senior county players ahead of modifying the u21 and minor grades.
I feel sick - I agree with a Tyrone man! ;D
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Explain this to me in more detail.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Explain this to me in more detail.
Best players taken out of any grade dilutes it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
+1000 times.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Explain this to me in more detail.
Best players taken out of any grade dilutes it.
Agreed. Moving it in the year and making it U20 doesn't necessarily kill the grade but making sure it isn't a showcase for the best players in an age group will dilute it and sap the supporter interest in the grade. It will also disproportionately benefit bigger counties with deeper panels.
The fact U21 hurling wasn't changed makes an utter joke of this whole revision. Football lads seemingly very soft and easy to convince on questionable changes - the mark and U20 being this year's low lights.
For example if U-21 championship had the rules that U-20 will have then Mayo would not be allowed to play Loftus,Hall,Coen,O Connor today. If you just play one minute for your seniors you are then ruled out to play at U-20. U-21 should have been kept IMO maybe moved to another time of the year or play the Sigerson cup before Christmas.
Well done to all four teams today two highly entertaining games in a grade that rarely disappoints. The best two teams on the day won and it should make for a great final.
Did ye make all these arguments to ye're clubs and Co Board conventions?
Or is it the usual GAA tradition of wait till the decision makers make a decision and then start moaning about it.
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For example if U-21 championship had the rules that U-20 will have then Mayo would not be allowed to play Loftus,Hall,Coen,O Connor today. If you just play one minute for your seniors you are then ruled out to play at U-20. U-21 should have been kept IMO maybe moved to another time of the year or play the Sigerson cup before Christmas.
Well done to all four teams today two highly entertaining games in a grade that rarely disappoints. The best two teams on the day won and it should make for a great final.
Forget one minute - the rule is if you're named on a senior panel at all that year you're not eligible for U20. It's utterly draconian and perhaps the least creative and most ham-fisted way to 'protect' players I could imagine.
If you can be on two panels you can be sure that a lot of thick managers will expect a lad to be at every training session and burn the daylights out of lads.
Remember some years ago some Ros U21s trained 4 successive days over Easter weekend - 2 with the Seniors and 2 with the U21s.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2016, 08:02:50 PM
If you can be on two panels you can be sure that a lot of thick managers will expect a lad to be at every training session and burn the daylights out of lads.
Remember some years ago some Ros U21s trained 4 successive days over Easter weekend - 2 with the Seniors and 2 with the U21s.
Nothing stopping the same happening at senior/U20 and club and third level.
http://m.hoganstand.com/Home/Details/253681?county=Roscommon
I really don't get scrapping competitions or changing age groups as a way to minimise plater burnout. That would be like scrapping soccer matches to prevent hooliganism.
The only way to do it my opinion is to make the elite young players, who are most vulnerable to burnout, ineligible for some of the lesser competitions once they appear at the top level.
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O'Connor like some one mentioned earlier know how to manufacture a free. Mayo very lucky to be in the final. Dublin played well for the middle third of the game only. Nearly bottled it like all Mayo teams do eventually. Cork will have more than enough for them in the final. Being a final you can take a couple of scores away from Mayo. Because Mayo teams psychologically need to be better than they think they are to win finals. Mayo teams have already lost 3 All Ireland finals this year. They just don't have the bottle in the final hurdle. In all three finals they were seriously outclassed! I presume the final will be in Limerick?
I'm glad you have written this after a Mayo triumph. Especially against the odds in the last couple of minutes against a decent Dublin side. Yeah, we have had our bad days in the office and Mitchels let themselves down in the final this year. But hey we keep going! And coming back and back! It takes some character to keep that hunger going? As for the other defeats! Take a look at your own joke of a grading system for Intermediate and junior. If we had the same system, Davitts Ballyhaunis Ballaghaderreen Claremorris Crossmolina Deel Rovers Ballinrobe Charlestown Sarsfields Shrule/Glencorrib would be all intermediate and god help you if one of them was our Champions! Look deeper anymore mate! It's not all what it looks like on the surface!
By the way you said the Dubs would hammer us today. Some knowledgeable bloke you are!
A wum, pay no heed to him.
Delighted we won today. Tbh I had given up on our underage stuff after a terrible few years. I didn t see this coming.
As for the final I dunno. Thought our fb line struggled at times today and Cork look big and powerful inside. Hurley has pace and quality. Even when we were on top today we struggled to create good scoring opportunities. We struggled badly in midfield at times in second half.
Thought Diarmuid was immense today and dragged us over the line. One of the most heroic performances I ve seen from a lad in a Mayo shirt. Decisions went for and against him but the most important thing for me was he got stuck in and led the resurgence when the game had all but gone away from us.
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Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Explain this to me in more detail.
Best players taken out of any grade dilutes it.
That's not going to happen though.
The best players in the u-20 grade will be the best players in the u-20 grade.
Going by some of the logic expressed in this thread, we should replace u-21 with an u-23 grade because it would increase the standard.
Some of the best players involved today in both semi-finals would have had another year or more at u-21 anyway.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 16, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Why are people so upset over the grade being changed to u-20?
Will the difference be noticeable even?
The grade was changed to reduce the pressure on young players who are playing for too many teams.
Don't get the outrage myself.
The majority of the best players at U-21 level are senior players. The non senior U-21s can become better footballers by testing themselves against those senior players.
No senior player will be allowed to play in the U-20 grade it will totally dilute the grade. If you want to reduce pressure you scrap the O'Byrne,FBD,McKenna cup competitions or the sigerson cup instead of the U-21 grade.
Explain this to me in more detail.
Best players taken out of any grade dilutes it.
That's not going to happen though.
The best players in the u-20 grade will be the best players in the u-20 grade.
Going by some of the logic expressed in this thread, we should replace u-21 with an u-23 grade because it would increase the standard.
Some of the best players involved today in both semi-finals would have had another year or more at u-21 anyway.
You're going around the roundabout a bit there, Jinxy. The best U20 players in Ireland will not be playing at U20 IC under the new system - at least a very good portion of them won't. And if they do, then the senior team suffers from the lack of players that would make their panel but for the fact it would make them ineligible to play the last year or two with the lads they've played with since they were pre-teens.
Some of the best today may have been U20 but the majority of the star players were U21. Too many blows delivered to the grade at once to say it hasn't been severely diluted. Duffy had his agenda for years, plain to see. It's a pity the delegates were so gutless as to not listen to the people who sent them to the conference.
Who told the delegates not to vote for the u20?
2 excellent games, 4 excellent teams and one excellent venue. A good day even if the monaghan result didn't go to plan. But cork were excellent and the big lads up front probably got them over the line and made the difference. We missed a few too many in the first half which meant we ended up chasing the game. In hindsight also we prob went for a couple of goal chances too early when only 3 or 4 points down. But in fairness cork always responded with a great score. Should be a good final.
Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2016, 11:04:55 PM
Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
I know he made one or two mistakes today but John Hickey from Carlow really is head and shoulders above all other referees on the inter-county panel from what I've seen of him. Hopefully he gets a chance to do some meaningful senior championship games.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 17, 2016, 01:34:34 AM
I know he made one or two mistakes today but John Hickey from Carlow really is head and shoulders above all other referees on the inter-county panel from what I've seen of him. Hopefully he gets a chance to do some meaningful senior championship games.
I'm not so sure. In both games their were crucial bad decisions. Mayo were robbed near the end on a free not given but it turns out not to matter thankfully. In the cork game there was a similar situation were Monaghan should have had at least 2 very scorable frees near the end (same incident) but got nothing and instead got a 45 which they missed. The way it turned out that was the difference between a cork win and extra time (monaghan lobbed a 21 yard free into the box in the last minute).
Another hobby horse of mine is steps. In the 1st minute monaghan were pulled for steps and I thought fair enough. He then forgot how to count and let it go time after time.
2 very entertaining games with very little of the stuff that goes on in the senior game. I'm not sure about the cork black card as it could have just as easily been a yellow but their no 14 should have been off so I suppose that balances out - I'll go for Cork in the final but only because of their size. the no 15 was outstanding - a star in the making.
Will the final definitely be on Saturday the 30th?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 17, 2016, 08:41:41 AM
Will the final definitely be on Saturday the 30th?
http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-u21-championship/ (http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-u21-championship/)
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
The team that beat Roscommon will win the AI for the seventh straight year this year.
Syfín up rhubarb arises again. :-[
That's a most annoying record though - a bit like the healthiest corpse in rthe graveyard.
We have that record at senior since 2012 - we know all about it :-(
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
I think its fair to say if Mayo had lost yesterday it would be them that threw the game away.
Yesterday was a U-21 game where a senior footballer of the last two years who has the experience of playing in two senior All Ireland semi finals stood up to lead his underage side against in your own words such a limited outfit. That does not prove you are right.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 17, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
I think its fair to say if Mayo had lost yesterday it would be them that threw the game away.
Yesterday was a U-21 game where a senior footballer of the last two years who has the experience of playing in two senior All Ireland semi finals stood up to lead his underage side against in your own words such a limited outfit. That does not prove you are right.
Unfortunately for Mayo Con O Callaghan is from Dublin and that's the type of player they lack at senior level.
DOC is an excellent wing forward and will be in the years ahead- nobody rated him outside Mayo here last year bar one (me)
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 17, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
I think its fair to say if Mayo had lost yesterday it would be them that threw the game away.
Yesterday was a U-21 game where a senior footballer of the last two years who has the experience of playing in two senior All Ireland semi finals stood up to lead his underage side against in your own words such a limited outfit. That does not prove you are right.
Unfortunately for Mayo Con O Callaghan is from Dublin and that's the type of player they lack at senior level.
DOC is an excellent wing forward and will be in the years ahead- nobody rated him outside Mayo here last year bar one (me)
DOC has been rated since he was U16. His hype train is as long as the Westport-Heuston express. The only knock was him not being able to handle the rough stuff and getting knocked off his own game because of it. A couple seasons at senior has toughened him up.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:53:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 17, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
I think its fair to say if Mayo had lost yesterday it would be them that threw the game away.
Yesterday was a U-21 game where a senior footballer of the last two years who has the experience of playing in two senior All Ireland semi finals stood up to lead his underage side against in your own words such a limited outfit. That does not prove you are right.
Unfortunately for Mayo Con O Callaghan is from Dublin and that's the type of player they lack at senior level.
DOC is an excellent wing forward and will be in the years ahead- nobody rated him outside Mayo here last year bar one (me)
DOC has been rated since he was U16. His hype train is as long as the Westport-Heuston express. The only knock was him not being able to handle the rough stuff and getting knocked off his own game because of it. A couple seasons at senior has toughened him up.
Oh my God, amazed you have the gall to type that. You were on here last year saying he was unproven, had potential but no more than that, and wasn't standing out in any game.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 17, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Congrats to Mayo yesterday.
Dublin threw the game away but with it being such a limited outfit we did well to get that far. I think overall Mayo had a better balance to the team even though we have 3-4 excellent individual players. Typically better balanced teams win semi finals.
Murchan- Clayton- O Callaghan and Basquel will all be senior panelists at some point but considering they standard of senior players we have there no guarantees.
Mayo a good side. I picked out DOC as being miles better then his brother last year ( was laughed at) and yesterday proved me right .
Not as flashy a Mayo team as previous years where they'd run away from lads who put it up to them. Good backbone in the team. But unfortunately are the inside forwards on this team going to make the difference at senior level for Mayo?
I'm not sure about that. And I'd have my doubts. But hopefully they will for Mayo's sake.
Should be a good final.
Best of luck to both teams but I hope Mayo win
I think its fair to say if Mayo had lost yesterday it would be them that threw the game away.
Yesterday was a U-21 game where a senior footballer of the last two years who has the experience of playing in two senior All Ireland semi finals stood up to lead his underage side against in your own words such a limited outfit. That does not prove you are right.
Unfortunately for Mayo Con O Callaghan is from Dublin and that's the type of player they lack at senior level.
DOC is an excellent wing forward and will be in the years ahead- nobody rated him outside Mayo here last year bar one (me)
DOC has been rated since he was U16. His hype train is as long as the Westport-Heuston express. The only knock was him not being able to handle the rough stuff and getting knocked off his own game because of it. A couple seasons at senior has toughened him up.
Oh my God, amazed you have the gall to type that. You were on here last year saying he was unproven, had potential but no more than that, and wasn't standing out in any game.
Surely you see the difference between being rated and being proven? I said as well as anyone he was Mayo's stand-out over two games v. Dublin.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
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Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And when ye have Dennis Bastick starting that's not saying much for yer poor U21 ladeens, Indy.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And when ye have Dennis Bastick starting that's not saying much for yer poor U21 ladeens, Indy.
Denis said to me he;d be happy to send a picture of his Celtic Crosses ( plural) to your senior team.
It will be the closest they will ever get to one.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2016, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And when ye have Dennis Bastick starting that's not saying much for yer poor U21 ladeens, Indy.
Denis said to me he;d be happy to send a picture of his Celtic Crosses ( plural) to your senior team.
It will be the closest they will ever get to one.
Tell Denis to concentrate on improving his game.
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Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And neither sadly will ours imho.
Win or lose the next day Mayo unlikely to get any more than 4 seniors from this team.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2016, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 17, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And neither sadly will ours imho.
Win or lose the next day Mayo unlikely to get any more than 4 seniors from this team.
Ruane I thought was impressive enough in the two games cf and yesterday albeit he drifted out at times for periods.
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Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And neither sadly will ours imho.
Win or lose the next day Mayo unlikely to get any more than 4 seniors from this team.
Ruane I thought was impressive enough in the two games cf and yesterday albeit he drifted out at times for periods.
Yeah, a bit rash with that earlier post maybe and tbh I haven t seen enough of Ruane to be dismissive of him. In fairness he kicked a storming point at the end.
I was just alarmed how we went out of it the last day. We were overwhelmed during much of the Ros game too.
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Win or lose the next day Mayo unlikely to get any more than 4 seniors from this team.
Not just Mayo though, I thought that between all 4 teams in the semis they really weren't a huge number on display that I would say looked dead certs to become key senior players - I really can't see any of the 4 sides getting a large crop of graduates for their senior sides (obviously just a small sample and relatively early days yet)
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Two brilliant games yesterday, its a shame they don't show the provincial finals too.
I thought the best two teams won on the day although Mayo were very fortunate with those 2 late frees but they did deserve their win. Cork took some outstanding points in the second half and they were deserving winners, as mentioned by another poster there a ridiculous black card for the Cork corner forward near the end as one of the Monaghan players fell into him.
I'm surprised to see Cork are 8/15 favourites, thought the betting would be closer than that although Cork do look to have the better set of forwards.
It's too be expected that Cork are favourites. They have a handful of a ff line and Hurley is the stand-out quality inside forward. Our fb line struggled the last day and that likely to happen again.
Our midfield went out of it completely in second half for 20 mims. v Dublin.
Which would be a worry because none of our midfielders will be playing for he seniors anytime soon
And when ye have Dennis Bastick starting that's not saying much for yer poor U21 ladeens, Indy.
Denis said to me he;d be happy to send a picture of his Celtic Crosses ( plural) to your senior team.
It will be the closest they will ever get to one.
Tell Denis to concentrate on improving his game.
With 3 senior Celtic Crosses Denis can buy and sell your whole panel.
If they improve maybe they will get to win one - maybe....
Indiana ,do you enjoy being such an assho-e on here or are you that way all the time?
Delighted for Mayo in making the final. Think they'll beat Cork
Quote from: maigheo on April 17, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
Indiana ,do you enjoy being such an assho-e on here or are you that way all the time?
He's slagging off a player who has 3 Celtic Crosses. Not one of their senior panel has even seen the sniff of a senior final.
Where I come from you match what that person has done or better it and until then you've zero right to slag him off. He has a collection of medals few can match
So there is only one person being an ass-hole and it ain't me.
Does that answer your question?
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Quote from: maigheo on April 17, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
Indiana ,do you enjoy being such an assho-e on here or are you that way all the time?
He's slagging off a player who has 3 Celtic Crosses. Not one of their senior panel has even seen the sniff of a senior final.
Where I come from you match what that person has done or better it and until then you've zero right to slag him off. He has a collection of medals few can match
So there is only one person being an ass-hole and it ain't me.
Does that answer your question?
Ok.
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Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2016, 11:04:55 PM
Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Its definitely not as simple as hunger.
When you have been playing with the bulk of your team mates since county U-16, when you have 2 or 3 leaders on the time who selflessly give of themselves and are 100% about the team rather than themselves (O'Connor and Coen among others for Mayo), when those same leaders display calmness & endless smarts when under pressure, when you have gone to the deepest reaches of your being and in going there you can see that your team mates are doing the same ..... well all those things combined mean that as an individual and as a team you have an ingredient that most teams can't match - an ingredient that we often very simply call hunger
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
Two great games and some brilliant players on display. Con O'Callghan, Colm Basquel, Michael Hurley, Sean Powter, Barry McGinn Conor McCarthy, Diarmuid O'Connor, Stephen Coen all stood out for me. Michael Hurley is younger brother of Brian, right?
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
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Quote from: maigheo on April 17, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
Indiana ,do you enjoy being such an assho-e on here or are you that way all the time?
He's slagging off a player who has 3 Celtic Crosses. Not one of their senior panel has even seen the sniff of a senior final.
Where I come from you match what that person has done or better it and until then you've zero right to slag him off. He has a collection of medals few can match
So there is only one person being an ass-hole and it ain't me.
Does that answer your question?
You must have a garage full of medals so.
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Delighted for Mayo in making the final. Think they'll beat Cork
Going by your previous predictions, that's ominous for us :-\
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Delighted for Mayo in making the final. Think they'll beat Cork
Going by your previous predictions, that's ominous for us :-\
Ah no, I can live with that.
But I won't feel confident until Farr comes ou and tells us that we are f*cked. ;D
Any word on where the final will be and what time ?
ennis, 5.30pm i think
Overnight stay in Ennis it is so.
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
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The team that beat Roscommon will win the AI for the seventh straight year this year.
Or this year could be a repeat of 2009 where Mayo beat Roscommon and Cork won the All Ireland.
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
Have to agree with hound here, "hunger" and "bottle" are often thrown out as reasons why teams win/lose when in reality they are probably only the reason on relatively few occasions
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
Have to agree with hound here, "hunger" and "bottle" are often thrown out as reasons why teams win/lose when in reality they are probably only the reason on relatively few occasions
As an experiment I tossed a €2 coin.
It came up with a Spanish dude's head on it.
I shouted at the other €2 side and questioned it's bottle and hunger. 'Do you really want to win the toss!' I roared at it, as the children ran out of the room.
I tossed it again.
The Spanish dude's head came up again.
This time I kicked the door, slammed my fist down on the table and threw Joe Kernan's losing medal from 1977 (what was left of it) into the wall. I screamed that there were no prizes for 2nd place and if the €2 side didn't show heart and bottle now it would regret it forever.
This time the €2 side came.
In conclusion it all came down to bottle.
QED
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
Have to agree with hound here, "hunger" and "bottle" are often thrown out as reasons why teams win/lose when in reality they are probably only the reason on relatively few occasions
Would have to agree with that too. Having said that we'll have to remind Hound and a few others who throw the 'bottle' factor at us if we lose a final in future. As Bunker said, that accusation was thrown at Ardnaree and Hollymount/Carramore even though they were playing teams that weren't genuinely of the same grade. The only Mayo club that 'bottled' it this year were Mitchell's, they definitely seemed to get a dose of the yips.
As for Saturday's game. We seem to have a group of lads who keep cool under pressure and who have a winning mentality unrivalled by any other Mayo team I have seen. Whether this will be enough against Cork is another matter. We'll need an awful lot more from our full forward line and as DOC said after the game, we'll need to sort out the systems collapse in the 3rd quarter. One thing I am confident about is we'll have the 'bottle' and hunger for it.
Can't make this final I'm afraid. I have already accepted an invite to a wedding in Letterkenny. The GAA obviously don't care about the fans who have to fo to Saturday weddings by having these games at 6pm!
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
Have to agree with hound here, "hunger" and "bottle" are often thrown out as reasons why teams win/lose when in reality they are probably only the reason on relatively few occasions
Would have to agree with that too. Having said that we'll have to remind Hound and a few others who throw the 'bottle' factor at us if we lose a final in future. As Bunker said, that accusation was thrown at Ardnaree and Hollymount/Carramore even though they were playing teams that weren't genuinely of the same grade. The only Mayo club that 'bottled' it this year were Mitchell's, they definitely seemed to get a dose of the yips.
As for Saturday's game. We seem to have a group of lads who keep cool under pressure and who have a winning mentality unrivalled by any other Mayo team I have seen. Whether this will be enough against Cork is another matter. We'll need an awful lot more from our full forward line and as DOC said after the game, we'll need to sort out the systems collapse in the 3rd quarter. One thing I am confident about is we'll have the 'bottle' and hunger for it.
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
We'll hardly send out that U-21 team at senior level. :D
Although you'd never know.
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Very little between the 8 provincial finalists, any of them could have found themselves in the All Ireland final, so well done to Mayo and Cork for being the 2 to do so.
Hopefully you'll have a competent ref for the final (which would rule out the ref from the first match today).
Yeah from reports all 6 games really came down to hunger as to who won their respective matches.
Christ almighty, you'd think a Mayo man would have more sense than that!
Or do you think you've found the missing formula as to why Mayo clubs have lost 3 All Ireland club finals this year and the senior team has lost so many massive tight games at All Ireland final or semi-final level over the last 5 or 6 years? A little bit more hunger and you might have success! ::)
On the day, Mayo were ever so slightly better than Dublin. They weren't any hungrier, every lad out there on both teams were desperate to win.
Take a chill pill mate, I was talking about all 6 games! 4 provincial and 2 semis! There was feck all between the last eight and a small bit of extra hunger got these teams across the line. I was not belittling Dublins Effort. Far from it, they showed massive hunger to win Leinster. As for the All Ireland Club finals Educate your self on the grading system of some counties for Intermediate and Junior Championship before you come to your conclusions.
Very little between the teams. To say the difference was hunger is the height of nonsense though. And a Mayoman should know that such lazy analysis is complete insult to the 6 teams who haven't made the final
Unless you actually do believe that the reason why Kerry and Dublin won AI semi-final replays in the last two years was because Mayo weren't quite hungry enough!
If there is a team that has had more success than others in the past (rarely relevant at underage level due to the natural turnover of players), or who have a glut of players with their eye on some other prize, then perhaps hunger can came into it. Otherwise the fine margins are down to a piece of individual brilliance, an error, a lucky bounce, a ref's decision, a stronger bench, etc etc.
You are obviously hurting from the weekend. I ment no disrespect to Dublins effort. Let's leave it at that.
Hound has made a fair comment which in all probability has nothing to do with hurt, let's leave it at that.
Have to agree with hound here, "hunger" and "bottle" are often thrown out as reasons why teams win/lose when in reality they are probably only the reason on relatively few occasions
Would have to agree with that too. Having said that we'll have to remind Hound and a few others who throw the 'bottle' factor at us if we lose a final in future. As Bunker said, that accusation was thrown at Ardnaree and Hollymount/Carramore even though they were playing teams that weren't genuinely of the same grade. The only Mayo club that 'bottled' it this year were Mitchell's, they definitely seemed to get a dose of the yips.
As for Saturday's game. We seem to have a group of lads who keep cool under pressure and who have a winning mentality unrivalled by any other Mayo team I have seen. Whether this will be enough against Cork is another matter. We'll need an awful lot more from our full forward line and as DOC said after the game, we'll need to sort out the systems collapse in the 3rd quarter. One thing I am confident about is we'll have the 'bottle' and hunger for it.
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
You are 90% right there. There is no shining light! If there is I cant see any! But this is one under 21 team in the limelight and you are narrowing you base looking at them. To be honest the biggest down fall of Mayo teams has been our concession of goals. The forward issue has been a red herring!
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Delighted for Mayo in making the final. Think they'll beat Cork
Going by your previous predictions, that's ominous for us :-\
LOL I can rarely be accused of letting head rule heart. Heart always wins.
I have seen Mayo 3 times this year and on each occasion I concluded that Mayo were average enough but by god do they have balls. A quality that is carrying them well this year.
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
We'll hardly send out that U-21 team at senior level. :D
Although you'd never know.
The U21 team of 06 did not have an alpha forward either, even though some played senior a bit.
You have what you have. There's as likely to be a top forward in a team that gets knocked out in first round as in one that reaches a final. Underage teams are a snapshot only of the bigger picture in the scheme of things.
No county can go out and manufacture top quality forwards no matter how much we all would like to do so.
Irwin has a bit of quality but he is a big lad and it remains to be seen if he can get into a condition to make the most of his natural ability to kick a ball.
Quote from: moysider on April 18, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
We'll hardly send out that U-21 team at senior level. :D
Although you'd never know.
The U21 team of 06 did not have an alpha forward either, even though some played senior a bit.
You have what you have. There's as likely to be a top forward in a team that gets knocked out in first round as in one that reaches a final. Underage teams are a snapshot only of the bigger picture in the scheme of things.
No county can go out and manufacture top quality forwards no matter how much we all would like to do so.
Irwin has a bit of quality but he is a big lad and it remains to be seen if he can get into a condition to make the most of his natural ability to kick a ball.
You can manufacture them.We do it all the time. It's down to coaching. I would argue you had a better team then us and deserved the win overall but we had better outstanding individuals outside DOC.
Quote from: moysider on April 18, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
We'll hardly send out that U-21 team at senior level. :D
Although you'd never know.
The U21 team of 06 did not have an alpha forward either, even though some played senior a bit.
You have what you have. There's as likely to be a top forward in a team that gets knocked out in first round as in one that reaches a final. Underage teams are a snapshot only of the bigger picture in the scheme of things.
No county can go out and manufacture top quality forwards no matter how much we all would like to do so.
Irwin has a bit of quality but he is a big lad and it remains to be seen if he can get into a condition to make the most of his natural ability to kick a ball.
I would love if someone could take him under their wing and really bring him on. I think he has loads of ability.
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Quote from: moysider on April 18, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
I don't think the Mayo senior team lost any game recently due to hunger
Only fear I have for their u21 team is I'm not sure it has a couple of corner forwards to make the difference at senior level
We'll hardly send out that U-21 team at senior level. :D
Although you'd never know.
The U21 team of 06 did not have an alpha forward either, even though some played senior a bit.
You have what you have. There's as likely to be a top forward in a team that gets knocked out in first round as in one that reaches a final. Underage teams are a snapshot only of the bigger picture in the scheme of things.
No county can go out and manufacture top quality forwards no matter how much we all would like to do so.
Irwin has a bit of quality but he is a big lad and it remains to be seen if he can get into a condition to make the most of his natural ability to kick a ball.
You can manufacture them.We do it all the time. It's down to coaching. I would argue you had a better team then us and deserved the win overall but we had better outstanding individuals outside DOC.
I don t agree that you can manufacture class and pace. Coaching can only work with a player with quality.
On the day Basquel, Deegan and O Callaghan looked good. On the other hand Hall and Akram can play as well. Plunkett is a good player but seemed out of sorts the last day. That can happen.
As regards inside quality forwards. We had one once and choose not to trust him for 3/4 years. It's a cultural thing too.
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Belated congrats to Mayo on win at the weekend.
Have to say I was aggrieved at the refereeing towards the end but that's football and you move on.
Reckon there would only have been a point or two between any one of the 4 semi finalists playing each other. Great stuff altogether.
Only saw patches of the second game but reckon Monaghan have a superstar forward in the making on that team.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
Can't see Kirby getting a look in until the FBD next year.
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Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
Can't see Kirby getting a look in until the FBD next year.
Regan is flying and will start with Cillian probably on the other side. AOXI will probably move in and out and the only question is who will rotate with him. Jason Doherty maybe? Vaughan has been named there a few times recently but he won't ever play there. Any surprises coming?
Kirby needed a good Club Final and while he never gave up, it wasn't a good day for any of the Mitchels.
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 19, 2016, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
Can't see Kirby getting a look in until the FBD next year.
Regan is flying and will start with Cillian probably on the other side. AOXI will probably move in and out and the only question is who will rotate with him. Jason Doherty maybe? Vaughan has been named there a few times recently but he won't ever play there. Any surprises coming?
Kirby needed a good Club Final and while he never gave up, it wasn't a good day for any of the Mitchels.
Freeman would be ahead of Kirby by my reckoning at the moment. Can't see any of the u21s being involved apart from those of have been already this year, maybe 1 surprise.
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Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 19, 2016, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
Can't see Kirby getting a look in until the FBD next year.
Regan is flying and will start with Cillian probably on the other side. AOXI will probably move in and out and the only question is who will rotate with him. Jason Doherty maybe? Vaughan has been named there a few times recently but he won't ever play there. Any surprises coming?
Kirby needed a good Club Final and while he never gave up, it wasn't a good day for any of the Mitchels.
Freeman would be ahead of Kirby by my reckoning at the moment. Can't see any of the u21s being involved apart from those of have been already this year, maybe 1 surprise.
Mea culpa, forgot about him. I like Freeman and he needs a good run for his confidence but when he plays he has loads of ability.
Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
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Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
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Quote from: muppet on April 19, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
I think the solution for Mayo's inside forward woes are to be creative and convert someone who doesn't play there presently.
Brenny Reilly played corner back for us for years (and a fine corner back he was too), only to become a lethal full forward in the latter half of his playing career.
Graham Geraghty moved up from the backs to wing forward and then full forward.
I was thinking about this watching Akram in particular at the weekend.
Mayo seems to have no trouble producing fast, direct wing backs who head straight for goal when they get the chance.
Stick one of them in the full forward line and see how they get on.
Tom Parsons to 14.
Tried that. Didn't work at all. Only Aiden of the midfielders, and maybe Barry Moran has any nous to make a go of FF. I'd like to see Kirby tried as another big man inside, but with Cillian and Evan Regan certs to start I would keep Kirby as a plan B or a horses for course option.
The one thing we could look at is maybe Paddy Durcan at 12? He has buckets of pace and stamina, can take a point and has a huge workrate.
Can't see Kirby getting a look in until the FBD next year.
Regan is flying and will start with Cillian probably on the other side. AOXI will probably move in and out and the only question is who will rotate with him. Jason Doherty maybe? Vaughan has been named there a few times recently but he won't ever play there. Any surprises coming?
Kirby needed a good Club Final and while he never gave up, it wasn't a good day for any of the Mitchels.
Freeman would be ahead of Kirby by my reckoning at the moment. Can't see any of the u21s being involved apart from those of have been already this year, maybe 1 surprise.
Mea culpa, forgot about him. I like Freeman and he needs a good run for his confidence but when he plays he has loads of ability.
You are dead right, when he plays he can be outstanding but that's the big problem with him, he seldom does. He made a dream debut against Sligo in 2010. Mayo gave the most abject display than I ever saw that day but Freeman stood out from the rest. I felt, leaving the ground, that his display was the only positive we could take from that game. But it took over two years IMO before he played oi his potential again and that was the quarter against Down in 2012. He has had some middling games since then but nothing to get excited about. I know he needs a confidence boost but, heck, he has been on the panel since 2010 and , short of getting him to see a shrink, I dunno what can be done to make him a permanent first choice player. There was a time when he'd sit on his arse whenever he got a clatter, waving his arms and giving out all around him. I used to dread it when he did this because it meant he'd be useless for the remainder of that game.
Okay, I can't recall him doing this lately but I don't recall him having a top class game either. Six years is a long time to be in and out of the team and unless Rochy is a top psychologist or has a witch doctor on call, I don't see see Alan becoming consistent enough to nail down a starting place when the championship begins.
Mayo's inside forward woes do go on and on and on
Which thread is this anyway? The torture never stops.
When you are hungry enough for an inside forward,
he will surely come.
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2016, 04:52:52 PM
Mayo's inside forward woes do go on and on and on
Which thread is this anyway? The torture never stops.
When you are hungry enough for an inside forward,
he will surely come.
In fairness it was Indiana who first mentioned it (I think) and it was in the context of the current U-21 team.
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
Quote from: Hound on April 19, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
It's certainly too early to tell with Evan Regan but by crickey if he does hit the ground running amok this summer , he's a credit to himself . Losing out on 3 years for reasons I'll never understand but can only hazard a guess horan didn't take to him , no other reason makes any sense, to not leave him on the panel when you had a couple of bizzare additions to the panel in them years ?
Of the forward line issue mainly the inside line , quality of ball in never seems to be considered a problem when this subject arises . It's a major problem , I have watched Regan closely in his league appearances , ball is not quick enough in when he makes the dash . Put Cillian on th 40 and see the distribution improve and so will our tally.
Quote from: Main Street on April 19, 2016, 04:52:52 PM
When you are hungry enough for an inside forward,
he will surely come.
Will he have enough bottle though?
Will ye be allowed to play all those over age bucks in the Final?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
Will ye be allowed to play all those over age bucks in the Final?
Nope both overage since 13 and 14 , be a right kick in the balls for ye if the best thing to come out of that u-21 Ross hammering of Mayo was Evan Regan . Ya never know , stranger things have happened.
May as well become a Mayo thread I suppose? Not like we ll be getting much input from Langers.
Quote from: Hound on April 19, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
I think the forwards that management are looking for the first round of championship are Mcloughlin, AOS, Diarmuid O Connor, Regan, Doherty and COC.
Doherty playing a deep watercarrier role allowing McLoughlin and DOC to get forward more than if we played Freeman as an out and out ff.
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Quote from: Hound on April 19, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
I think the forwards that management are looking for the first round of championship are Mcloughlin, AOS, Diarmuid O Connor, Regan, Doherty and COC.
Doherty playing a deep watercarrier role allowing McLoughlin and DOC to get forward more than if we played Freeman as an out and out ff.
I never really rated Doherty but a watercarrier role is a bit harsh, Moy. ;D
Manchester United won the all Ireland u21 title last night without martial, rashford and mensah because of senior involvement.
Quote from: moysider on April 20, 2016, 01:10:30 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 19, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
I think the forwards that management are looking for the first round of championship are Mcloughlin, AOS, Diarmuid O Connor, Regan, Doherty and COC.
Doherty playing a deep watercarrier role allowing McLoughlin and DOC to get forward more than if we played Freeman as an out and out ff.
I still get the feeling we'll see Higgins start in the half forward line this summer. You would imagine that would mean Doherty losing out. It also remains to be seen whether new management rate Freeman. Wouldn't be shocked to see him start either.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 20, 2016, 09:43:48 AM
Manchester United won the all Ireland u21 title last night without martial, rashford and mensah because of senior involvement.
Fair play, less money and a smaller back room team than the Dubs. :D
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Quote from: Hound on April 19, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
Maybe Regan is the answer, but bit early to say
I think Diarmuid could only be great alongside the brother. Put 14 on AOS but let him play out the field. OLoughlin, Higgins and Durcan in the HF line but playing deep as required. Parsons and SOS in midfield. Leave Vaughan on the bench
I think the forwards that management are looking for the first round of championship are Mcloughlin, AOS, Diarmuid O Connor, Regan, Doherty and COC.
Doherty playing a deep watercarrier role allowing McLoughlin and DOC to get forward more than if we played Freeman as an out and out ff.
I still get the feeling we'll see Higgins start in the half forward line this summer. You would imagine that would mean Doherty losing out. It also remains to be seen whether new management rate Freeman. Wouldn't be shocked to see him start either.
It depends the way management want to go I suppose. If they want to play an orthodox bigger target man the Freeman is probably in pole position.
If Higgins is played in hf line it probably means Aidan is wearing 14 and flitting between roles inside and deeper. I just see McLoughlin, DOC and one other 10,11 and 12.
With Cuniffe out of the frame we are skimpy enough for cb. Harrison and Barrett and Barrett is injury prone. So dunno if we will have the luxury of playing Higgins further forward. And there is also the argument that he should be played in the position many consider his best - no.6. A lot up in the air yet I suspect.
If Higgins hadn t run into a bit of a tricky injury sequence during the league we would have got a clearer picture I suppose.
The team that beat Monaghan will win the final.
We're down 1 man due to injury. Not one of the senior panellists but will be a loss all the same.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 27, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
We're down 1 man due to injury. Not one of the senior panellists but will be a loss all the same.
Yer up two Rossies if Seamus Cunniffe is ok so it's all good for your ladeens..
All Cork teams have a soft centre, as I said before the semi this Mayo squad have an edge to them, we saw that in Sligo against Ros and they really proved it against the dubs, ok they got a bit of luck in both games but they kept plugging away at all times and were in a position to make it count when the luck came, lesser teams would have been beaten at that stage, I think they will be too tough for Cork.
All I know is Mayo cannot afford to give Cork any sort of a long purple patch at all. Cork supposedly have two tall men in the FF line. I'm praying that Mayo can do it, but not overly confident.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 08:03:59 PM
All I know is Mayo cannot afford to give Cork any sort of a long purple patch at all. Cork supposedly have two tall men in the FF line. I'm praying that Mayo can do it, but not overly confident.
It's in the bag so, hardly worth the spin down! Man Farr!
I expect Mayo to win on Saturday by a bit to spare. Roscommon,Dublin the two biggest hurdles already jumped.
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 27, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
We're down 1 man due to injury. Not one of the senior panellists but will be a loss all the same.
Yer up two Rossies if Seamus Cunniffe is ok so it's all good for your ladeens..
In fairness the Cunniffes of Ballagh are Mayo through and through.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 27, 2016, 07:17:23 PM
We're down 1 man due to injury. Not one of the senior panellists but will be a loss all the same.
Yer up two Rossies if Seamus Cunniffe is ok so it's all good for your ladeens..
In fairness the Cunniffes of Ballagh are Mayo through and through.
No more than the Solans. They're born and bred in a Roscommon town. They can cling onto whatever identity they want to but facts are facts.
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Very easy for Mayo ladeens to roll their eyes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Jaysus is there no end to Syferus's confused musings!!
Like you Farr' I would be farr from confident. The reality is that Ros. and Dublin got a run on us and could have put us away if they pushed on. I'd be concerned about that and no better a team to get a run on ye than a Cork team going well. They have the inside forwards to do it. Hurley probably the class inside forward of the two teams and they have a couple of big lads inside with him.
Brian Reape apparently is out and while he was well held v Dublin he still is a major loss.
To win we need to dominate around the middle and not sure that will happen. O Connor grabbed the semi by the scruff of the neck and dragged us back and over the line. If his influence is even contained a bit we could be in bother. No doubt Cork will have a damage limitation plan for him. If I was Cork manager I would try and limit Diarmuid's influence. Probably a very hard thing to do because it is very difficult to pin down what he does. There are very few senior players anywhere that can get around and do so much work about the pitch. No point detailing a lad to mark him. Putting an attacking wingback on him probably would backfire as well.
To my inexpert eye the Cork/Monaghan game seemed a higher quality game than the other semi.
Still every game at U21 is very much a once off so who knows.
Still I'll be surprised if the Rhus win.
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Very easy for Mayo ladeens to roll their eyes.
Correct. It is easy.
Quote from: moysider on April 27, 2016, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Jaysus is there no end to Syferus's confused musings!!
Like you Farr' I would be farr from confident. The reality is that Ros. and Dublin got a run on us and could have put us away if they pushed on. I'd be concerned about that and no better a team to get a run on ye than a Cork team going well. They have the inside forwards to do it. Hurley probably the class inside forward of the two teams and they have a couple of big lads inside with him.
Brian Reape apparently is out and while he was well held v Dublin he still is a major loss.
To win we need to dominate around the middle and not sure that will happen. O Connor grabbed the semi by the scruff of the neck and dragged us back and over the line. If his influence is even contained a bit we could be in bother. No doubt Cork will have a damage limitation plan for him. If I was Cork manager I would try and limit Diarmuid's influence. Probably a very hard thing to do because it is very difficult to pin down what he does. There are very few senior players anywhere that can get around and do so much work about the pitch. No point detailing a lad to mark him. Putting an attacking wingback on him probably would backfire as well.
Dragged Mayo over the line in the semi final but it should be remembered O Connor was subdued in Connacht final and his most notable feature of the game was somehow avoided a black card in the 2nd half. I think there's much more to this Mayo U-21 than needing O Connor to drag them over the line in each game.
Quote from: giveballaghback on April 27, 2016, 07:56:56 PM
All Cork teams have a soft centre, as I said before the semi this Mayo squad have an edge to them, we saw that in Sligo against Ros and they really proved it against the dubs, ok they got a bit of luck in both games but they kept plugging away at all times and were in a position to make it count when the luck came, lesser teams would have been beaten at that stage, I think they will be too tough for Cork.
Cork went to Tralee and won. They beat a good Monaghan team too. Not fair to call them soft
As a neutral best wishes to both teams .
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Quote from: moysider on April 27, 2016, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Not the bloody Ballagh discussion again. ::)
Jaysus is there no end to Syferus's confused musings!!
Like you Farr' I would be farr from confident. The reality is that Ros. and Dublin got a run on us and could have put us away if they pushed on. I'd be concerned about that and no better a team to get a run on ye than a Cork team going well. They have the inside forwards to do it. Hurley probably the class inside forward of the two teams and they have a couple of big lads inside with him.
Brian Reape apparently is out and while he was well held v Dublin he still is a major loss.
To win we need to dominate around the middle and not sure that will happen. O Connor grabbed the semi by the scruff of the neck and dragged us back and over the line. If his influence is even contained a bit we could be in bother. No doubt Cork will have a damage limitation plan for him. If I was Cork manager I would try and limit Diarmuid's influence. Probably a very hard thing to do because it is very difficult to pin down what he does. There are very few senior players anywhere that can get around and do so much work about the pitch. No point detailing a lad to mark him. Putting an attacking wingback on him probably would backfire as well.
Dragged Mayo over the line in the semi final but it should be remembered O Connor was subdued in Connacht final and his most notable feature of the game was somehow avoided a black card in the 2nd half. I think there's much more to this Mayo U-21 than needing O Connor to drag them over the line in each game.
There is of course. There is some resolve in that team, no doubt.
Probably won't even see the game :-\ safe travelling to all. Hoping for a positive result needless to say.
Not much interest in thisgame it seems. :-\
Not even Syfín slaverin over his Rhubarbs.
Hope it's a good game and may some one win it.
I don't care who wins I just hope it's a good final to go with another good All Ireland championship.
Paudie Hughes setting his stall out after less than a minute by giving a free to Cork after a textbook tackle by the Mayo midfielder.
0-2 each two evenly matched teams by the looks of it so far.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:01:50 PM
Paudie Hughes setting his stall out after less than a minute by giving a free to Cork after a textbook tackle by the Mayo midfielder.
I'd say the free was for the tackle by the previous Mayo player - hand on back - and he was playing advantage.
Both teams taking a while to settle - couple of poor efforts by both sides so far - between dropped short and pulled wide.
9th wide for Mayo compared to 1 for Cork (although Cork had 2 dropped short) when the scoreline is Cork 0-7 Mayo 0-4
Cork have a few monsters playing for them.
Mayo FB line look vulnerable under high ball.
Cork 0-07 Mayo 0-04
Mayo already have nine wides in 1st half, the ghosts of finals past knocking about?
2-1 for Mayo in the space of a couple of minutes before HT.
Game on now, Ger!
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:30:41 PM
Cork have a few monsters playing for them.
Mayo FB line look vulnerable under high ball.
Kelleher and Coakley are 2 big men alright - Kelleher has got quite a bit of time with the seniors in the league this year.
Mayo got a goal which they needed
O'Connor free to make it Mayo 2-5 Cork 0-7 at HT
2 goal for Mayo in injury time - the way their point kicking has been in that half you'd be telling them to keep going for goals in the 2nd half.
Great feet for the first Goal!
Great hands for the Second!
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:33:41 PM
2-1 for Mayo in the space of a couple of minutes before HT.
Game on now, Ger!
Strong breeze against in the 2nd half. Cork will wonder how the hell they are 4 points down after that half.
2nd goal for Mayo. Thought Cork should have had a free in the build up there. Cork player went down to pick the ball and a Mayo player kicked it away. Nearly always blown as a foul that.
Mayo well set up to play into the wind.
They're a possession & running team anyway.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2016, 06:32:18 PM
Cork 0-07 Mayo 0-04
Mayo already have nine wides in 1st half, the ghosts of finals past knocking about?
They've had no problem winning at U21 or minor in AI finals, sadly.
Cork look like a typical Cork side - big, good in the air, clumsy and suspect at the back. Couple decent forwards, though. Mayo look the cuter side on the ball and that usually tells.
Looking good for Mayo. From three points behind on thirty minutes to lead by four at half time.
Half time came at a good time go Cork. They were punch drunk at the end there
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 06:37:50 PM
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Cork 0-07 Mayo 0-04
Mayo already have nine wides in 1st half, the ghosts of finals past knocking about?
They've had no problem winning at U21 or minor in AI finals, sadly.
Cork look like a typical Cork side - big, good in the air, clumsy and suspect at the back. Couple decent forwards, though. Mayo look the cuter side on the ball and that usually tells.
You must be estatic with that finish to the half, ye look good for the second half now.
This Mayo team go in and out of games! So it will be interesting to see how they start the second half. Paudie is giving Mayo all the Marginal calls! Must have been a lot of hate mail from Cork last year?
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2016, 06:32:18 PM
Cork 0-07 Mayo 0-04
Mayo already have nine wides in 1st half, the ghosts of finals past knocking about?
I told ye Mayo would come good ;)
come on mayo time to man up
God almighty, Cork are wide open at the back.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
the way their point kicking has been in that half you'd be telling them to keep going for goals in the 2nd half.
tactical genius I am wot !!
Great save by the Mayo keeper
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
God almighty, Cork are wide open at the back.
Always have been at all levels.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
God almighty, Cork are wide open at the back.
Good forward lines will win you matches while a good defence will win championships.
Darwin Award contender there for Cork.
Mayo doing a Mayo on it.
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
God almighty, Cork are wide open at the back.
Good forward lines will win you matches while a good defence will win championships.
Maybe in Ulster.
Cork goal game on again. 1-10 to 3-6 48 minutes gone.
Great game!
How is Cunniffe still left on Kelleher? Total mismatch today.
Level game great fightback by Cork.
Hughes is unbelievably card happy.
Quote from: muppet on April 30, 2016, 07:13:38 PM
Hughes is unbelievably card happy.
Cunniffe has been fouling all day long. Lucky to only have the one.
Horror show kick out from the keeper and goal number 4 for Mayo.
Mayo 3 points ip and 90 seconds of regular time left.
Take your points me arse!
Goal number 5 for Mayo
Cork keeper another mistake
Mayo doing a Mayo i suppose! :P
No matter about individual mistakes Mayo are the better team.
Quote from: muppet on April 30, 2016, 07:18:05 PM
Take your points me arse!
Mayo are 5 from 6 in terms of goal attempts and probably 40% in terms of shots for points.
Well done Mayo.
Goals win games as they say.
Cork keeper really lost the head there towards the end. Even his last few kickouts he was just flaking them straight to Mayo lads. Lost all composure.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 30, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Mayo doing a Mayo i suppose! :P
Most of those lads have minor and U-21 medals now.
Well done to Mayo however the fourth goal a killer what a horrible way to lose All Ireland final.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 30, 2016, 07:21:13 PM
No matter about individual mistakes Mayo are the better team.
Yup the Cork keeper might have made mistakes for the last 2 goals but for the other 3 Mayo goals a fair number of the Cork players could be deemed culpable.
Stephen Coen was immense.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 30, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Mayo doing a Mayo i suppose! :P
In fairness they did let the opposition totally back into the game from a position where they should have been cruising for home.
well done mayo after all the disappointments recently great to see you emerge victorious
Born chokers in that county.
Maybe the most braindead performance I've seen from a Cork side and there's been more than a few contenders.
Well done to the Connacht champions. Sin e.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
Stephen Coen was immense.
He was.
Also Ruane, DOC and Liam Irwin (despite some bad wides) really delivered. Conor Loftus took his goals well.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 07:28:10 PM
Maybe the most braindead performance I've seen from a Cork side and there's been more than a few contenders.
Well done to the Connacht champions. Sin e.
Congrats to yourself and all the other mayo fans.
Short kick outs going wrong are dangerous .
Congrats Mayo. You gotta feel for the Cork keeper though. No young lad should have to face the abuse he is liable to get.
Quote from: Beffs on April 30, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
Congrats Mayo. You gotta feel for the Cork keeper though. No young lad should have to face the abuse he is liable to get.
The Cork public don't seem to give a damn, so he might be spared.
He'll be beating himself up though.
A Mayo team scoring 5 goals in an all-Ireland final and battling through against the odds in nearly every game - very sweet :)
A very unMayo like team. They have arguably been outplayed by Roscommon Dublin and Cork and yet won all three matches.
Some real leaders there and a great team spirit.
Irwin is a real cute forward of the type we don't produce many of. Loftus will only get better as he puts his bad injury further behind him. O Connor and Coen look ready to play big parts this Summer.
Quote from: muppet on April 30, 2016, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
Stephen Coen was immense.
He was.
Also Ruane, DOC and Liam Irwin (despite some bad wides) really delivered. Conor Loftus took his goals well.
Akram is a busy player too, his persistence in the corner to win the ball led to the first goal. He'll play senior soon too.
This particular group of Mayo footballers have played in and won 2 AIFs
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 07:51:48 PM
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Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
Stephen Coen was immense.
He was.
Also Ruane, DOC and Liam Irwin (despite some bad wides) really delivered. Conor Loftus took his goals well.
Akram is a busy player too, his persistence in the corner to win the ball led to the first goal. He'll play senior soon too.
Yeah but his basic skills aren't there in my opinion
A Mayo win by a bit to spare as I expected but didn't expect dramatic finish. Behind approaching half time and level on 60 mins. The 4 Mayo goals in injury time in both halves showed the type of character these group of players have. Stephen Coen should have won man of the match IMO.
Hard luck to Cork they did well to get back into the game when all looked lost however any side that concedes 5 goals in a final can have few complaints when they lose it.
The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
Matthew Ruane M.O.M. Thought Eoin O Donoghue the Mayo no. 2 had an excellent game and blotted Hurley out of the game.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Quote from: maigheo on April 30, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Matthew Ruane M.O.M. Thought Eoin O Donoghue the Mayo no. 2 had an excellent game and blotted Hurley out of the game.
Yes agreed, good call.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2016, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Yeah, I could see him as a Johnny Cooper style defender starting attacks from deep as well.
Is that what Mayo need though?
He can always work on his kicking.
Jason Sherlock was a great example of how much your kicking can improve even after you've made the step up to senior.
Hate seeing mistakes like the goalies kickout have such a bearing in underage games as you know it will sit with young guys for a long time.
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2016, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Yeah, I could see him as a Johnny Cooper style defender starting attacks from deep as well.
Is that what Mayo need though?
He can always work on his kicking.
Jason Sherlock was a great example of how much your kicking can improve even after you've made the step up to senior.
Jason never reached the heights of a top inter county forward in my opinion. His soccer career ensured he never go the quality practice in during his teenage years.
I'm only going from experience but guys who aren't excellent kickers of the ball by 18 will never be as good at that facet as a player who has formed the basics between 8-15 years of age . Very few exceptions in my opinion to that.
Mayo don't need corner backs you're right but he'd find it hard at senior level making a good defender in my opinion. But to be fair you're probably right they'd be better off trying it at least. He's a superb athlete
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Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 30, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2016, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2016, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 30, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Yeah, I could see him as a Johnny Cooper style defender starting attacks from deep as well.
Is that what Mayo need though?
He can always work on his kicking.
Jason Sherlock was a great example of how much your kicking can improve even after you've made the step up to senior.
Jason never reached the heights of a top inter county forward in my opinion. His soccer career ensured he never go the quality practice in during his teenage years.
I'm only going from experience but guys who aren't excellent kickers of the ball by 18 will never be as good at that facet as a player who has formed the basics between 8-15 years of age . Very few exceptions in my opinion to that.
Mayo don't need corner backs you're right but he'd find it hard at senior level making a good defender in my opinion. But to be fair you're probably right they'd be better off trying it at least. He's a superb athlete
Dublin seniors are full of athletes. One notable feature of their win last week was more running and less kick passing. Is that the way the senior football is going or Dublin seniors playing to their strengths?
Dublin kick the ball more than any other team in the country.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 30, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
I must say I wasn t expecting that at all. I mean the whole campaign really.
And if we had another couple of forwards that could take a handy point or two we would have won comfortably enough without the dramatics - but the drama made it extra special!
A lot of the stand out performances have been discussed already. Coen was immense but where to play him in senior?
Pleased with Ruane. Knew little about him but he is in the picture now. He has pace and that is half the battle. He's a year younger too I think.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 09:31:05 PM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 30, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Thought Akram was very good in the tackle, he seems to be aware of where the ball is at all times and first to it when it breaks. Caffs basic skills aren't the best either and he won an All-star.
Is Stephen Coen the first Mayo man to captain 2 AI winning teams since Seán Flanagan?
Hell of an achievement.
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Is Stephen Coen the first Mayo man to captain 2 AI winning teams since Seán Flanagan?
Hell of an achievement.
I think JP Keane had the same achievement with the 71 and 74 minor and U 21 teams.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Is Stephen Coen the first Mayo man to captain 2 AI winning teams since Seán Flanagan?
Hell of an achievement.
I think JP Keane had the same achievement with the 71 and 74 minor and U 21 teams.
Think Johnny Culkin from Ardnaree captained the U21s in 74 win over Antrim?
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Is Stephen Coen the first Mayo man to captain 2 AI winning teams since Seán Flanagan?
Hell of an achievement.
I think JP Keane had the same achievement with the 71 and 74 minor and U 21 teams.
Think Johnny Culkin from Ardnaree captained the U21s in 74 win over Antrim?
I know JP captained the minors in 71, not so sure about 74.
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 30, 2016, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 30, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Is Stephen Coen the first Mayo man to captain 2 AI winning teams since Seán Flanagan?
Hell of an achievement.
I think JP Keane had the same achievement with the 71 and 74 minor and U 21 teams.
Think Johnny Culkin from Ardnaree captained the U21s in 74 win over Antrim?
100%
Think Michael Plunkett was another who put in a good shift today.Scored 2 from play and assisted in 3 goals and always seems to take the right option.Irwin for me will be able to take the step up to senior.Despite his lack of pace he is always able to win his own ball and crucially make space for himself and has a great left peg from frees or from play.It will probably take a few years but I would expect him to make the jump to senior.
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Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Do you ever stop thinking about Mayo football? For someone supposedly from another county your obsession for Mayo football is perllexing to say the least, give up the charade and just come out of the closet now as being the true mayo person you are.
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Think Michael Plunkett was another who put in a good shift today.Scored 2 from play and assisted in 3 goals and always seems to take the right option.Irwin for me will be able to take the step up to senior.Despite his lack of pace he is always able to win his own ball and crucially make space for himself and has a great left peg from frees or from play.It will probably take a few years but I would expect him to make the jump to senior.
Think you may be right but he has a better chance striking on now while the iron is hot as it were. Hopefully this campaign will spur him on. If he want's it badly enough he has the quality. Great radar and a sledgehammer of a left foot. It will be a loss if he doesn't press on. Plunkett as well has the quality.
Not many mentioning Hall but an important player today imo.
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Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Do you ever stop thinking about Mayo football? For someone supposedly from another county your obsession for Mayo football is perllexing to say the least, give up the charade and just come out of the closet now as being the true mayo person you are.
He's not a Mayo person. He is a Mayo fan though and who could blame him.
Fair plY to the team. Will comment further when I see it.
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Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Do you ever stop thinking about Mayo football? For someone supposedly from another county your obsession for Mayo football is perllexing to say the least, give up the charade and just come out of the closet now as being the true mayo person you are.
He's not a Mayo person. He is a Mayo fan though and who could blame him.
Know your enemy. More future senior players in our U21 team this year too, btw.
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Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Do you ever stop thinking about Mayo football? For someone supposedly from another county your obsession for Mayo football is perllexing to say the least, give up the charade and just come out of the closet now as being the true mayo person you are.
He's not a Mayo person. He is a Mayo fan though and who could blame him.
Know your enemy. More future senior players in our U21 team this year too, btw.
What do you mean by that?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x480uaf_mayo-s-matthew-ruane-pays-tribute-to-his-late-teammate-after-all-ireland-win_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x480uaf_mayo-s-matthew-ruane-pays-tribute-to-his-late-teammate-after-all-ireland-win_sport)
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x480uaf_mayo-s-matthew-ruane-pays-tribute-to-his-late-teammate-after-all-ireland-win_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x480uaf_mayo-s-matthew-ruane-pays-tribute-to-his-late-teammate-after-all-ireland-win_sport)
Saw that earlier. Fair play too him. Such a nice young lad in that interview. But your heart would have to go out to the Doherty family today. And Tommy Conroy has been through the mill as well. The 2 forwards that got most of the scores when they won the minor.
Then you factor in that Brian Reape and TJ Byrne were missing as well! Remember Byrne scoring an almost identical goal to Kelleher's v Kerry in minor semi 2014.
The rest of the lads were unbelievable to dig out this when you think about it.
Had to work so thank God I didn't see the game.
Well done and congrats ye shower o' hoors.
Now I'll throw up......
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Had to work so thank God I didn't see the game.
Well done and congrats ye shower o' hoors.
Now I'll throw up......
Just when you think it might be the end of us, along come another shower to build our hopes up and get us back on the Sam bandwagon!
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Had to work so thank God I didn't see the game.
Well done and congrats ye shower o' hoors.
Now I'll throw up......
Just when you think it might be the end of us, along come another shower to build our hopes up and get us back on the Sam bandwagon!
it would be no fun if you weren't near enough to be talked up.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2016, 01:08:17 AM
Had to work so thank God I didn't see the game.
Well done and congrats ye shower o' hoors.
Now I'll throw up......
Have a look at the tape. For a neutral I'd say it was good fun. I know anyway you're glad we won. It's always good when a team wins against the head.
Anyway a win is wasted in a place like Cork. If Mayo people hadn t gone down to Ennis today the place would be empty. They used to have the hurling but they cannibalised themselves on that and their apathy about football seems to be getting worse and worse.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2016, 01:08:17 AM
Had to work so thank God I didn't see the game.
Well done and congrats ye shower o' hoors.
Now I'll throw up......
Just when you think it might be the end of us, along come another shower to build our hopes up and get us back on the Sam bandwagon!
Nice one Bunker!
An old friend of mine captained the U21 team that won in 67. We won in the 60's, 70s, 80s, 00s and today. We were good enough to lose 2 in the 90s - one after a replay. Kerry and Cork have won more but nobody else has that consistency in this competition. How we haven t driven it on to senior is the thing. Meath have only won 1 in the history of the completion but way better success as senior.
This is a great boost no doubt and hopefully some of these lads will train on. The reality is though that the senior team is still a young team and these guys are the reserve cavalry.
Congrats Mayo. Delighted to see ye win.
I suppose the new mantra is take your goals and the points will come.
Up the west
The last fortnight had three of the best games we will see this year on live TV.
By all accounts the provincial finals were great.
So what we do , end the f**king thing ????
Brilliant result, missed the match as I was driving back from Belfast. Couldn't find it on the tg4 player last night either.
Hopefully some of these lads can complete the full set of medals in the next couple of years
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Akram is the best player Ballagh have produced since Pierce Hanley. Sadly.
Cian Hanley a better footballer than Akram.
As an athlete he's behind him. I've seen Akram for a good few years now and AFL scouts were sniffing after him too. He's smarter off the ball than Hanley, maybe as a pure striker of the ball Cian Hanley was more complete. Fact is Cian is out in Aus and he hasn't even played a game at U21 so it's another world trying to compare the two.
Scouts can continue to come calling if they want but IMO Akram wouldnt make it in the AFL Hanley will.
Hanley was very lucky the Lions didn't try to weasel out of their contract after the punishment he suffered being left on in the 2014 minor AISF.
Everyone seems obseesed with Akram's pace but it's his intelligence and support play that really stands out. Understands what a wing back needs to do as well as any player I've seen. Himself, Coen and O'Connor are the ones that could make Mayo's senior team from what I've seen. Loftus I dunno and Irwin's pace seems to have made him persona non grata with the seniors.
Do you ever stop thinking about Mayo football? For someone supposedly from another county your obsession for Mayo football is perllexing to say the least, give up the charade and just come out of the closet now as being the true mayo person you are.
He's not a Mayo person. He is a Mayo fan though and who could blame him.
Know your enemy. More future senior players in our U21 team this year too, btw.
What do you mean by that?
Sure isn't it obvious what he means.....it's easier to get on the roscommon senior team than onto the Mayo senior team ;D
Shairoze Akram could not confirm whether he was the first player born in Pakistan to win an All-Ireland medal.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/)
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Shairoze Akram could not confirm whether he was the first player born in Pakistan to win an All-Ireland medal.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/)
Strange and stupid question to ask a young lad. If the journo wants to knows look it up himself. Is he expected to have been studying the last 130 years of records or something?
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Shairoze Akram could not confirm whether he was the first player born in Pakistan to win an All-Ireland medal.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0430/785432-video-mayo/)
Strange and stupid question to ask a young lad. If the journo wants to knows look it up himself.
In fairness Sy, I think it was more to highlight that a trickle of other cultures are beginning to play the game.
He's a great example for all the kids growing up in Ireland who come from places where gaelic football doesn't exist.
There is a massive number of these kids from places like Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria, The Phillipines, Brazil, Kilkenny etc. that should be encouraged to get involved and play the game.
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He's a great example for all the kids growing up in Ireland who come from places where gaelic football doesn't exist.
There is a massive number of these kids from places like Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria, The Phillipines, Brazil, Kilkenny etc. that should be encouraged to get involved and play the game.
He is a great example and he was minor last year so he has time on his side.
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The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Yeah, I could see him as a Johnny Cooper style defender starting attacks from deep as well.
Is that what Mayo need though?
He can always work on his kicking.
Jason Sherlock was a great example of how much your kicking can improve even after you've made the step up to senior.
Jason never reached the heights of a top inter county forward in my opinion. His soccer career ensured he never go the quality practice in during his teenage years.
I'm only going from experience but guys who aren't excellent kickers of the ball by 18 will never be as good at that facet as a player who has formed the basics between 8-15 years of age . Very few exceptions in my opinion to that.
Mayo don't need corner backs you're right but he'd find it hard at senior level making a good defender in my opinion. But to be fair you're probably right they'd be better off trying it at least. He's a superb athlete
Dublin seniors are full of athletes. One notable feature of their win last week was more running and less kick passing. Is that the way the senior football is going or Dublin seniors playing to their strengths?
I'm calling you out on it. Dublin kick the ball more then any other team.
That is a fact.
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The key thing nowadays in senior inter-county football is pace.
Some of the better Mayo u-21 forwards just don't have it and thus will not make the step up.
That's why I think they should take lads like Akram and see if he can be turned into an attacker.
His kicking has a long way to go. I can't see it. I think he'd make a great corner back.
Yeah, I could see him as a Johnny Cooper style defender starting attacks from deep as well.
Is that what Mayo need though?
He can always work on his kicking.
Jason Sherlock was a great example of how much your kicking can improve even after you've made the step up to senior.
Jason never reached the heights of a top inter county forward in my opinion. His soccer career ensured he never go the quality practice in during his teenage years.
I'm only going from experience but guys who aren't excellent kickers of the ball by 18 will never be as good at that facet as a player who has formed the basics between 8-15 years of age . Very few exceptions in my opinion to that.
Mayo don't need corner backs you're right but he'd find it hard at senior level making a good defender in my opinion. But to be fair you're probably right they'd be better off trying it at least. He's a superb athlete
Dublin seniors are full of athletes. One notable feature of their win last week was more running and less kick passing. Is that the way the senior football is going or Dublin seniors playing to their strengths?
I'm calling you out on it. Dublin kick the ball more then any other team.
That is a fact.
Over the last few years in general maybe however as I said already the notable feature of the div one final was more running and less kick passing from Dublin.
It wasn't a notable feature though.
So will these lads keep us dining at the top table?
It looks to me that they are more than the sum of their parts as a team and we mightn't get as many as we got from 06
That team had 6 players only a year out of minor. By my reckoning all that starting team yesterday were 20 or 21
Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
He's a great example for all the kids growing up in Ireland who come from places where gaelic football doesn't exist.
There is a massive number of these kids from places like Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria, The Phillipines, Brazil, Kilkenny etc. that should be encouraged to get involved and play the game.
One of the big problems with so many of the GAA's games being on TG4 is that TG4 just doesn't even remotely register for this constituency of new Irish in terms of promoting the game. Think of all the great games that TG4 had shown in the last even 3 months that a household where the channel is never switched to would have missed out on.
Quote from: Chimley on May 01, 2016, 03:52:20 PM
So will these lads keep us dining at the top table?
It looks to me that they are more than the sum of their parts as a team and we mightn't get as many as we got from 06
That team had 6 players only a year out of minor. By my reckoning all that starting team yesterday were 20 or 21
Akram and the 2 subs Duffy and Carr were minor last year.
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
He's a great example for all the kids growing up in Ireland who come from places where gaelic football doesn't exist.
There is a massive number of these kids from places like Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria, The Phillipines, Brazil, Kilkenny etc. that should be encouraged to get involved and play the game.
One of the big problems with so many of the GAA's games being on TG4 is that TG4 just doesn't even remotely register for this constituency of new Irish in terms of promoting the game. Think of all the great games that TG4 had shown in the last even 3 months that a household where the channel is never switched to would have missed out on.
I think TG4 do a great job but you have a point.
Would be wary of throwing the baby out with the bathwater in an attempt to 'go after' that market though.
Free scoring forwards was the main reason why Mayo won the minor All Ireland three years ago and yesterday the U21 All Ireland final was won thanks to five goals scored by three forwards. It's that type of scoring Mayo have been lacking in senior All Ireland finals.
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
The goal scorers yesterday were all part of the 2013 All Ireland free scoring Mayo minor forward line, now while there was circus clown defending from Cork yesterday it still took cool heads to finish all those five goals. A forward with a cool head capable of scoring a brace of goals in senior All Ireland final could prove all the difference.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
I forgot to mention Flanagan. He looks like he is the heir apparent in goals too. Another year at u21 too.
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Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
Colin Corkery would be a liability in the modern game.
Wasn't overly impressed with Flanagan in goals.Did not deal with high balls into the square very well and was saved in the first half from a bad kick out with a second ball on the field.
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Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
Colin Corkery would be a liability in the modern game.
I'd take him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppRAoN504VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppRAoN504VA)
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Possibly, but they conceded only one goal against Kerry and one goal against Monaghan(and none against any other against team) so they can't be that bad.
Some U-21 final match video uploaded now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHE4zuKlTI
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't be getting too excited about these Mayo forwards especially when you take into account the high number of wides they had in terms of kicking points. Cork's defence yesterday was woefully bad (even aside from the keeper's nightmare), especially for a side in the final of a competition. Said it after the semis and yesterday confirmed my opinion that very few on display for either side are likely to have much of an influence for their senior sides in the immediate future.
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't be getting too excited about these Mayo forwards especially when you take into account the high number of wides they had in terms of kicking points. Cork's defence yesterday was woefully bad (even aside from the keeper's nightmare), especially for a side in the final of a competition. Said it after the semis and yesterday confirmed my opinion that very few on display for either side are likely to have much of an influence for their senior sides in the immediate future.
I thought it was a poor enough championship quality wise. Dublin were no great shakes. teams might get 2-3 seniors each max. Which is probably as good as it's going to get off any u21 side. The semi finals were great entertainment but the defending from all sides was comical at times
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Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't be getting too excited about these Mayo forwards especially when you take into account the high number of wides they had in terms of kicking points. Cork's defence yesterday was woefully bad (even aside from the keeper's nightmare), especially for a side in the final of a competition. Said it after the semis and yesterday confirmed my opinion that very few on display for either side are likely to have much of an influence for their senior sides in the immediate future.
I thought it was a poor enough championship quality wise. Dublin were no great shakes. teams might get 2-3 seniors each max. Which is probably as good as it's going to get off any u21 side. The semi finals were great entertainment but the defending from all sides was comical at times
While you are in your Ivory tower looking down, think of this. The quality of the under 21 championship does not depend on how good Dublin are. If Dublin are average, then that means Dublin are average, but they are by no means the standard bearers (yet) much as you'd like to think they are. Take it for what it is!
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Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
I forgot to mention Flanagan. He looks like he is the heir apparent in goals too. Another year at u21 too.
Isn't it U20 next year meaning he won't have another year? And doesn't that also mean the 2014 kerry team won't get their last year at u21?
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 01, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't be getting too excited about these Mayo forwards especially when you take into account the high number of wides they had in terms of kicking points. Cork's defence yesterday was woefully bad (even aside from the keeper's nightmare), especially for a side in the final of a competition. Said it after the semis and yesterday confirmed my opinion that very few on display for either side are likely to have much of an influence for their senior sides in the immediate future.
I thought it was a poor enough championship quality wise. Dublin were no great shakes. teams might get 2-3 seniors each max. Which is probably as good as it's going to get off any u21 side. The semi finals were great entertainment but the defending from all sides was comical at times
While you are in your Ivory tower looking down, think of this. The quality of the under 21 championship does not depend on how good Dublin are. If Dublin are average, then that means Dublin are average, but they are by no means the standard bearers (yet) much as you'd like to think they are. Take it for what it is!
A minor team that couldn't get past the leinster quarter final as minors lose by one point to the eventual winners after being 5 up with 10 to go................. Yeah .
I think what's important for Mayo is that they get the 2-3 leaders off this team for the seniors regardless of positions. This team went to the well , faced adversity and won. Not sure any other Mayo teams recently can say that.
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Quote from: Chimley on May 01, 2016, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Plenty of 'middle third' types, but that's not what Mayo need at this point.
That said, if you've plenty of good lads in that area you will always be competitive.
Yes it looks that way. Maybe O Donaghue who has another year will make a decent corner back if he cuts out the 'in your face' stuff and Irwin has a chance up front. He's not very fast as you pointed out but neither is Cillian or Dean Rock
Irwin has long reminded me of Colin Corkery. If he was 75% as good he would be a major asset.
I forgot to mention Flanagan. He looks like he is the heir apparent in goals too. Another year at u21 too.
Isn't it U20 next year meaning he won't have another year? And doesn't that also mean the 2014 kerry team won't get their last year at u21?
Still U21 next year.
When is it changing?
2018
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 01, 2016, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 01, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't be getting too excited about these Mayo forwards especially when you take into account the high number of wides they had in terms of kicking points. Cork's defence yesterday was woefully bad (even aside from the keeper's nightmare), especially for a side in the final of a competition. Said it after the semis and yesterday confirmed my opinion that very few on display for either side are likely to have much of an influence for their senior sides in the immediate future.
I thought it was a poor enough championship quality wise. Dublin were no great shakes. teams might get 2-3 seniors each max. Which is probably as good as it's going to get off any u21 side. The semi finals were great entertainment but the defending from all sides was comical at times
While you are in your Ivory tower looking down, think of this. The quality of the under 21 championship does not depend on how good Dublin are. If Dublin are average, then that means Dublin are average, but they are by no means the standard bearers (yet) much as you'd like to think they are. Take it for what it is!
A minor team that couldn't get past the leinster quarter final as minors lose by one point to the eventual winners after being 5 up with 10 to go................. Yeah .
I think what's important for Mayo is that they get the 2-3 leaders off this team for the seniors regardless of positions. This team went to the well , faced adversity and won. Not sure any other Mayo teams recently can say that.
Once again the under 21 Championship is not measured on how great or how average Dublin are in the grade! From saying Dublin are weak all you are saying is Leinster was weak. This does not mean that Ulster/Connacht and Munster was weak? You are not the measuring level and to think so is just Big headed!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
MAYO 2006:
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (capt); C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy.
Subs used: S Ryan for Boyle (half time), K Costello for Dillon, E Varley for Hannick (both 40 mins)
All of the above except Dillon, Hannick, Ryan and Costello played a lot of senior. 3 made All-Stars.
unbelievable return really.
Quote from: muppet on May 01, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
McHale was a strange one. He did not play minor at 18 but played under 21 (at 18)?
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 01, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 01, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
McHale was a strange one. He did not play minor at 18 but played under 21 (at 18)?
Sure Liam didn t take football seriously at all for most of his time. Basketball was his priority for most of his career. He played bb once instead of a club Connacht final. He had no choice really - basketball paid the bills.
I don't think McGarritty played minor or U21. He'd have been some addition in midfield with Duffy in that minor team in 99? He refused to get involved. No interest at all until his bb career in US didn t take off. Think he may have played senior for his county before he played senior club!
Those 2 would have been handy if they liked football!!
Think McHale made his debut for Mayo in the 85 86 league.Often remember meeting a die hard Mayo supporter before Mayos final training session for the96 all ireland and he must have spent 20 minutes telling me that Mchale was not a footballer and should not be on the team.Of course McHale was man of the match in the final.Wished I could have met him after :).
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Think McHale made his debut for Mayo in the 85 86 league.Often remember meeting a die hard Mayo supporter before Mayos final training session for the96 all ireland and he must have spent 20 minutes telling me that Mchale was not a footballer and should not be on the team.Of course McHale was man of the match in the final.Wished I could have met him after :).
Lol. The abuse he got from his own. I remember a Knockmore man telling me that he would never attend a Mayo game again if McHale was playing.
Imagine if a Mick O Dwyer had him.
Still basking in the joy after Saturday. A bit surreal to have so many lads in the county with not one but two All-Ireland medals. Hopefully some of these boys will complete the set in the next year or two.
I've been enjoying the win too much to get too caught up in the 'who will play senior' debate but I suppose it's inevitable our minds have to turn to that eventually. That's what underage teams are all about at the end of the day, feeders for the senior team chasing the holy grail.
I'd agree with most of the lads on here and think that Ruane, Coen, Loftus and Hall will offer something at senior level (I think we all agree DOC will make it!). O'Donoghue looks like a tasty corner back, one of the kind we need badly, tough, dogged and in your face. Plunkett looks clever and I'd also give Irwin a chance. He needs to get a bit fitter and really put his injury problems behind him, but when he does I think he has the guile and placed ball skills to offer something major in the future.
Cunniffe is a very good player but because he was marking two exceptional players in the semi and the final he maybe didn't look like a future senior. He's better than he looked on Saturday though and has a lot to offer too IMO.
Even if only 4 or 5 of them make it they're coming into an already strong group and will make us stronger regardless. Tis a good place to be!
Quote from: muppet on May 01, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
You are correct mup, I got the wrong game in mind. That was the semi against Meath in '88 and I was sitting in the midst of a gang of Dubs who kept razzing McHale every time he tried to solo, which he did at almost every chance he got. They weren't the only ones either. However, as the game progressed the slagging died down as people realised that McHale was outfielding everyone that tried to curb him and his hand passing was superb but he did look awkward every time he insisting on soloing. By the end of the game the jeers had turned to cheers as he had a super game in every other aspect of play. I think he took the slagging that day to heart because he must have worked very hard at improving his footwork and I don't recall anyone ever mocking his play again.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 02, 2016, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 01, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
You are correct mup, I got the wrong game in mind. That was the semi against Meath in '88 and I was sitting in the midst of a gang of Dubs who kept razzing McHale every time he tried to solo, which he did at almost every chance he got. They weren't the only ones either. However, as the game progressed the slagging died down as people realised that McHale was outfielding everyone that tried to curb him and his hand passing was superb but he did look awkward every time he insisting on soloing. By the end of the game the jeers had turned to cheers as he had a super game in every other aspect of play. I think he took the slagging that day to heart because he must have worked very hard at improving his footwork and I don't recall anyone ever mocking his play again.
I only met Mc Hale once and found him very articulate and had some really good theories on the game. Could never understand why some ofhis own fans at times hated him so much. Remember been at a league game in the mid 90's ish and some of the abuse he got from Mayo fans was unreal. Most of it nothing to do with football either!
If Dublin fans were taking the piss out of him - that's testament to his ability. Because they never bother with anyone who's average!
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2016, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 02, 2016, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 01, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 01, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Right now, I'm not too worried about the names or numbers that make it on to the senior panel. Time enough for that when the celebrations die down.Mayo won this the hard way, following on from two hard matches against Roscommon and then the Dubs. Success didn't come easy and it was all the more satisfying for that.
This bunch has shown incredible determination all along the way and that's why I wouldn't be too critical about the number of wides in the opening period. Nerves and a tricky wind played a part here. Playing against the wind, the nerves had settled and the wides to scores ratio improved dramatically.
It hard to know how many will make the step up; there are now hard and fast rules to determine this.
But for what it's worth, I think we'll get a good input.
Mattie Flanagan wasn't too hot on his kick outs but that can be corrected and he did everything else well. Sheroize Akram is a very exciting prospect- sure his ball skills needs to be worked on but the same could be said about Lam McHale when Liam was about six years older and playing against Dublin in 1985.
Hall and Ruane impressed me and the same can be said for Irwin and Plunkett. All are senior material without a doubt. That's without the quartet who have senior experience already.
I think Irwin may be lacking in pace but his ball handling, positional sense and coolness under pressure are of the highest order. After all, Cillian O'Connor is no Usain Bolt either.
Throw in that Diarmuid seems to have all the skills of his brother and is much more mobile and this year's crop should at least equal the input we got from the 2006 side.
McHale was 1 year older in 1985 and I am pretty sure he didn't play against the Dubs. He definitely played in the following League campaign though.
You are correct mup, I got the wrong game in mind. That was the semi against Meath in '88 and I was sitting in the midst of a gang of Dubs who kept razzing McHale every time he tried to solo, which he did at almost every chance he got. They weren't the only ones either. However, as the game progressed the slagging died down as people realised that McHale was outfielding everyone that tried to curb him and his hand passing was superb but he did look awkward every time he insisting on soloing. By the end of the game the jeers had turned to cheers as he had a super game in every other aspect of play. I think he took the slagging that day to heart because he must have worked very hard at improving his footwork and I don't recall anyone ever mocking his play again.
I only met Mc Hale once and found him very articulate and had some really good theories on the game. Could never understand why some ofhis own fans at times hated him so much. Remember been at a league game in the mid 90's ish and some of the abuse he got from Mayo fans was unreal. Most of it nothing to do with football either!
If Dublin fans were taking the piss out of him - that's testament to his ability. Because they never bother with anyone who's average!
When Mayo lost (got badly Humiliated) in the 2004 AI final. Liam wrote a article in the Sunday Independent the following weekend detailing how the players felt, emotions, what they said. You see under the Horan regime things like that would never happen. It's a bit like the things that happened under Pillar, these things would never happen under Gilroy or Gavin. Galvin can give 3 minute interviews before and after matches and say literally nothing.
McHale the footballer is a legend. But there are times when he says just a little to much!
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Quote from: whitey on May 02, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Right peg. Ger is a natural left footer. I should know I coached him for long enough.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 02, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Right peg. Ger is a natural left footer. I should know I coached him for long enough.
Did you teach him how to box too?
Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2016, 12:00:21 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 02, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Right peg. Ger is a natural left footer. I should know I coached him for long enough.
Did you teach him how to box too?
Vincents players could always take care of themselves Syferus. Its why our trophy cabinets are full
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Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2016, 12:00:21 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 02, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Right peg. Ger is a natural left footer. I should know I coached him for long enough.
Did you teach him how to box too?
Vincents players could always take care of themselves Syferus. Its why our trophy cabinets are full
Pretty sure it's just the hot air that's filling them Indy.
Strike or attempt to strike = red card.
Refs obviously don't implement the T O in Dublin ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 02, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Like the time he said that Mayo were hoping Ger Brennan would start for Dublin in the AIF because Mayo had his nmber (I'm paraphrasing). Alan Dillon went on to do fvck all and Brennan kicked the winning point off his left peg
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/liam-mchale-thinks-ger-brennan-starting-can-help-mayo-1.1532391
Right peg. Ger is a natural left footer. I should know I coached him for long enough.
Maybe he hit it of his right foot then...either way I remember that he hit it off his weaker foot
Congrats to Mayo, better team on the day won although there wasn't much between them apart from a poor goalkeeping performance. Mayo could easily have been beaten by Roscommon, Dublin and Cork but showed great character to win all 3 games.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
I would agree with you on that. I have to admit Loftus' goal was a superb finish but definitely four of those goals were gifts from Cork. Cork lost this one rather than Mayo winning it. I would be more worried about the poor wides, they were just bad misses, they also looked very uncomfortable shooting. While Mayo dominated for long periods, Cork were much more economical. On another day. Mayo wouldn't have had the luck they got on Saturday and you will never get presented with goal chances like that again in a high quality game.
Quote from: Bhppy on May 03, 2016, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but most of the goals were comical and resulted more from really bad defending/goalkeeping rather than any Mayo ingenuity.
When I see a scoreline where one of the teams has scored almost as many as goals as points, I don't think 'free-scoring forwards', I think 'circus clown defenders'.
I would agree with you on that. I have to admit Loftus' goal was a superb finish but definitely four of those goals were gifts from Cork. Cork lost this one rather than Mayo winning it. I would be more worried about the poor wides, they were just bad misses, they also looked very uncomfortable shooting. While Mayo dominated for long periods, Cork were much more economical. On another day. Mayo wouldn't have had the luck they got on Saturday and you will never get presented with goal chances like that again in a high quality game.
You have to have the composure and quality to take advantage of any slices of luck that come your way, Mayo had that
A class gesture from Mayo's Ronan Finn
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254636 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254636)
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 04, 2016, 09:55:05 PM
A class gesture from Mayo's Ronan Finn
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254636 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254636)
Fair play to him.Great to see
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
By who? The two lads in Cork who even knew they were in an U21 football final?
Quote from: Syferus on May 05, 2016, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
By who? The two lads in Cork who even knew they were in an U21 football final?
By people who know little in any case.
also here http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-was-something-that-had-to-be-said-cork-u21-goalie-on-standing-up-to-online-trolls-34685618.html
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
When are people going to accept that you participate in this social media nonsense at your own risk?
In the old days, you gave out to your mates about a fella having a bad game in the car on the way home.
Now people give out on social media.
It's essentially the same principle, only the latter is broadcast to millions of people.
If you don't want to be subjected to 'abuse' on social media, there is a very simple solution.
Stay away from it altogether.
I'm getting real tired of hearing otherwise sensible adults crying about all the mean people on Twitter/Facebook.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
When are people going to accept that you participate in this social media nonsense at your own risk?
In the old days, you gave out to your mates about a fella having a bad game in the car on the way home.
Now people give out on social media.
It's essentially the same principle, only the latter is broadcast to millions of people.
If you don't want to be subjected to 'abuse' on social media, there is a very simple solution.
Stay away from it altogether.
I'm getting real tired of hearing otherwise sensible adults crying about all the mean people on Twitter/Facebook.
+1,
You know there was always going to be a high probability that some toolbag, was counting the minutes since the end of the game last Saturday to do a sensational piece on this.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
When are people going to accept that you participate in this social media nonsense at your own risk?
In the old days, you gave out to your mates about a fella having a bad game in the car on the way home.
Now people give out on social media.
It's essentially the same principle, only the latter is broadcast to millions of people.
If you don't want to be subjected to 'abuse' on social media, there is a very simple solution.
Stay away from it altogether.
I'm getting real tired of hearing otherwise sensible adults crying about all the mean people on Twitter/Facebook.
Do not engage in social media if you play sport?
Quote from: joemamas on May 05, 2016, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Interview coming up on Newstalk with the Cork goalie, who predictably has been abused on social media following the game.
When are people going to accept that you participate in this social media nonsense at your own risk?
In the old days, you gave out to your mates about a fella having a bad game in the car on the way home.
Now people give out on social media.
It's essentially the same principle, only the latter is broadcast to millions of people.
If you don't want to be subjected to 'abuse' on social media, there is a very simple solution.
Stay away from it altogether.
I'm getting real tired of hearing otherwise sensible adults crying about all the mean people on Twitter/Facebook.
+1,
You know there was always going to be a high probability that some toolbag, was counting the minutes since the end of the game last Saturday to do a sensational piece on this.
Yes, the journo is the toolbag in this equation.
There are some people who think that engaging in social media should be like walking down the street, in that it's not ok to roar abuse at people. Call them idealistic eegits if you want, but I don't see any harm in banging the drum about it.
Quote from: Beffs on May 05, 2016, 02:49:27 PM
There are some people who think that engaging in social media should be like walking down the street, in that it's not ok to roar abuse at people. Call them idealistic eegits if you want, but I don't see any harm in banging the drum about it.
young lads are also going to have to realize if they are going to put on the county Jersey and have a bad day they are going to be Criticized. I accept there is a line where Criticism becomes down right foul abuse but for every pat on the back on a good day there will be a kick in the hole on a bad day
Why do they have to accept criticism as part of being an underage (or senior for that matter) IC player? I fail to see why it's anyway acceptable for players to be abused on twitter. There is a big difference between someone coming on here saying so and so had a bad game or they are not up to it but to directly say it to them, or worse, abuse them on twitter is not on at all. You can avoid discussion boards if you want but I don't see why a young amateur footballer has to avoid having a twitter account because ignoramuses will abuse them if they have a howler. A lot of lads don't have the balls to put themselves up there so to knock them when it goes wrong is not on.
So Jinxy anyone who plays sport shouldn't be on social media?
Its their fault because they are putting themselves in the firing line.
Or maybe its the fault of the low lifes who have never done anything in their lives but think its ok to go to town on lads that have at least tried
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/cork-u21-goalkeeper-reveals-reveals-the-shocking-extent-of-the-online-abuse-after-final-loss/332527
Completely missing the point.
It's not acceptable.
I'm not on Twitter but I use it to follow sporting events in particular.
In a GAA context, I would estimate that 90-95% of the contributions are perfectly reasonable comments made by ordinary, decent people.
However, the remaining 5-10% of the contributions can range from the mean-spirited to the downright nasty.
Usually the worst comments are made by people who probably aren't in a great place in their own lives.
Often, they are said merely to provoke a response.
Twitter, as a platform, favours polarised viewpoints.
Everything is either brilliant or terrible.
One lad in particular was name-checked in Kieran Shannon's article as a 'troll'.
I had a look at his Twitter profile and it made for grim reading.
I came away feeling sorry for HIM.
Full of anger and venom about so many different things.
Can you tell me, how you would deal with this chap?
Appeal to his better nature, "Stop being mean to people online!" etc.
Either you develop a healthy sense of perspective, and recognise that a small minority of your fellow users are pathetic creatures craving attention, or you walk away from it altogether.
Nobody needs to be on social media.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:04 PM
Completely missing the point.
It's not acceptable.
I'm not on Twitter but I use it to follow sporting events in particular.
In a GAA context, I would estimate that 90-95% of the contributions are perfectly reasonable comments made by ordinary, decent people.
However, the remaining 5-10% of the contributions can range from the mean-spirited to the downright nasty.
Usually the worst comments are made by people who probably aren't in a great place in their own lives.
Often, they are said merely to provoke a response.
Twitter, as a platform, favours polarised viewpoints.
Everything is either brilliant or terrible.
One lad in particular was name-checked in Kieran Shannon's article as a 'troll'.
I had a look at his Twitter profile and it made for grim reading.
I came away feeling sorry for HIM.
Full of anger and venom about so many different things.
Can you tell me, how you would deal with this chap?
Appeal to his better nature, "Stop being mean to people online!" etc.
Either you develop a healthy sense of perspective, and recognise that a small minority of your fellow users are pathetic creatures craving attention, or you walk away from it altogether.
Nobody needs to be on social media.
I think the problem is a bit more complicated than that. The players in question tend to be in the late teens or early twenties and at this age, social networking is an essential part of their daily activities.They are still susceptible to peer pressure and being without the iPad the Android would feel only half dressed.
Asking someone to stay away from Facebook or Twitter because strangers are going to post hurtful, unwarranted comments about him is never going to work.
Mates being what they are will certainly mention any reference to him, especially critical ones. You can hardly expect any young fella to stay away from his Twitter account when people all around him are discussing him in his presence.
Apart from all of that, people in this age group would suffer withdrawal symptoms if their were without their tablet or smartphone for a single day as they network about lots of other things than football.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:04 PM
Completely missing the point.
It's not acceptable.
I'm not on Twitter but I use it to follow sporting events in particular.
In a GAA context, I would estimate that 90-95% of the contributions are perfectly reasonable comments made by ordinary, decent people.
However, the remaining 5-10% of the contributions can range from the mean-spirited to the downright nasty.
Usually the worst comments are made by people who probably aren't in a great place in their own lives.
Often, they are said merely to provoke a response.
Twitter, as a platform, favours polarised viewpoints.
Everything is either brilliant or terrible.
One lad in particular was name-checked in Kieran Shannon's article as a 'troll'.
I had a look at his Twitter profile and it made for grim reading.
I came away feeling sorry for HIM.
Full of anger and venom about so many different things.
Can you tell me, how you would deal with this chap?
Appeal to his better nature, "Stop being mean to people online!" etc.
Either you develop a healthy sense of perspective, and recognise that a small minority of your fellow users are pathetic creatures craving attention, or you walk away from it altogether.
Nobody needs to be on social media.
I think the problem is a bit more complicated than that. The players in question tend to be in the late teens or early twenties and at this age, social networking is an essential part of their daily activities.They are still susceptible to peer pressure and being without the iPad the Android would feel only half dressed.
Asking someone to stay away from Facebook or Twitter because strangers are going to post hurtful, unwarranted comments about him is never going to work.
Mates being what they are will certainly mention any reference to him, especially critical ones. You can hardly expect any young fella to stay away from his Twitter account when people all around him are discussing him in his presence.
Apart from all of that, people in this age group would suffer withdrawal symptoms if their were without their tablet or smartphone for a single day as they network about lots of other things than football.
It's not though.
Anyway, if they want to immerse themselves in that world, best of luck to them.
The rest of us don't need to hear about every gobdaw who says something mean to them.
Pretty sure I said the same thing in the aftermath of the Paddy O'Rourke sending-off against Westmeath last year when he was getting dog's abuse on Twitter.
We're talking about men here, not boys.
Corinthians 11: 'When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:04 PM
Completely missing the point.
It's not acceptable.
I'm not on Twitter but I use it to follow sporting events in particular.
In a GAA context, I would estimate that 90-95% of the contributions are perfectly reasonable comments made by ordinary, decent people.
However, the remaining 5-10% of the contributions can range from the mean-spirited to the downright nasty.
Usually the worst comments are made by people who probably aren't in a great place in their own lives.
Often, they are said merely to provoke a response.
Twitter, as a platform, favours polarised viewpoints.
Everything is either brilliant or terrible.
One lad in particular was name-checked in Kieran Shannon's article as a 'troll'.
I had a look at his Twitter profile and it made for grim reading.
I came away feeling sorry for HIM.
Full of anger and venom about so many different things.
Can you tell me, how you would deal with this chap?
Appeal to his better nature, "Stop being mean to people online!" etc.
Either you develop a healthy sense of perspective, and recognise that a small minority of your fellow users are pathetic creatures craving attention, or you walk away from it altogether.
Nobody needs to be on social media.
I think the problem is a bit more complicated than that. The players in question tend to be in the late teens or early twenties and at this age, social networking is an essential part of their daily activities.They are still susceptible to peer pressure and being without the iPad the Android would feel only half dressed.
Asking someone to stay away from Facebook or Twitter because strangers are going to post hurtful, unwarranted comments about him is never going to work.
Mates being what they are will certainly mention any reference to him, especially critical ones. You can hardly expect any young fella to stay away from his Twitter account when people all around him are discussing him in his presence.
Apart from all of that, people in this age group would suffer withdrawal symptoms if their were without their tablet or smartphone for a single day as they network about lots of other things than football.
It's not though.
Anyway, if they want to immerse themselves in that world, best of luck to them.
The rest of us don't need to hear about every gobdaw who says something mean to them.
Pretty sure I said the same thing in the aftermath of the Paddy O'Rourke sending-off against Westmeath last year when he was getting dog's abuse on Twitter.
We're talking about men here, not boys.
Corinthians 11: 'When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'
Okay Jinxy, I know when I'm beaten...
Logic and Meath men make strange bedfellows.
Seems to me that you're saying that if players can't take scurrilous, ill-founded abuse from anonymous keyboard warriors, they should get to hell out of it and find something less stressful to do. Furthermore, players should keep away from social networking of any sort because if they don't read something, it won't upset them. And also that those who could be offended should ignore what is posted on Twitter, Facebook and the likes.
But before I retire, there's something you might care to comment on.
We have a prolific poster on this board, well-known for his dedication to his county.
He posts on a number of other fora also, including one that is devoted mainly to discussions by fans of his own county. After a game in which his county team got well and truly tanked, he put up a critical post and singled one player out for special abuse. He gave him a slating, saying that he wasn't up to county standard.
Net thing he knew, the player's father arrived on his doorstep in a very angry state of mind. (The Identity of the poster in question is well-known in his own area.)
The player in question was a third level student and was sitting his finals at the time.
He did not read the offending post but his friends were quick to tell him about. His nerves were badly shot already but he went to bits after hearing about this and his father was very concerned for his state of mind so he went looking for the individual who criticised his son.
Now if you were in a position to decide what should be the outcome of this doorstep confrontation, what would your verdict be?
Would you tell the father to eff off as his son had no business paying attention to anything that was posted on the Internet?
Would you feel that the player in question was too soft for intercounty football and should pack it in forthwith?
Would you say that in the interests of Free Speech, it should be a case of publish and be damned and hard luck on whoever got upset?
Anyway the possibilities are endless and you may come up with some reaction that I haven't mentioned.
Maybe you'd care to enlighten me. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 06, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 05, 2016, 10:03:04 PM
Completely missing the point.
It's not acceptable.
I'm not on Twitter but I use it to follow sporting events in particular.
In a GAA context, I would estimate that 90-95% of the contributions are perfectly reasonable comments made by ordinary, decent people.
However, the remaining 5-10% of the contributions can range from the mean-spirited to the downright nasty.
Usually the worst comments are made by people who probably aren't in a great place in their own lives.
Often, they are said merely to provoke a response.
Twitter, as a platform, favours polarised viewpoints.
Everything is either brilliant or terrible.
One lad in particular was name-checked in Kieran Shannon's article as a 'troll'.
I had a look at his Twitter profile and it made for grim reading.
I came away feeling sorry for HIM.
Full of anger and venom about so many different things.
Can you tell me, how you would deal with this chap?
Appeal to his better nature, "Stop being mean to people online!" etc.
Either you develop a healthy sense of perspective, and recognise that a small minority of your fellow users are pathetic creatures craving attention, or you walk away from it altogether.
Nobody needs to be on social media.
I think the problem is a bit more complicated than that. The players in question tend to be in the late teens or early twenties and at this age, social networking is an essential part of their daily activities.They are still susceptible to peer pressure and being without the iPad the Android would feel only half dressed.
Asking someone to stay away from Facebook or Twitter because strangers are going to post hurtful, unwarranted comments about him is never going to work.
Mates being what they are will certainly mention any reference to him, especially critical ones. You can hardly expect any young fella to stay away from his Twitter account when people all around him are discussing him in his presence.
Apart from all of that, people in this age group would suffer withdrawal symptoms if their were without their tablet or smartphone for a single day as they network about lots of other things than football.
It's not though.
Anyway, if they want to immerse themselves in that world, best of luck to them.
The rest of us don't need to hear about every gobdaw who says something mean to them.
Pretty sure I said the same thing in the aftermath of the Paddy O'Rourke sending-off against Westmeath last year when he was getting dog's abuse on Twitter.
We're talking about men here, not boys.
Corinthians 11: 'When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'
Okay Jinxy, I know when I'm beaten...
Logic and Meath men make strange bedfellows.
Seems to me that you're saying that if players can't take scurrilous, ill-founded abuse from anonymous keyboard warriors, they should get to hell out of it and find something less stressful to do. Furthermore, players should keep away from social networking of any sort because if they don't read something, it won't upset them. And also that those who could be offended should ignore what is posted on Twitter, Facebook and the likes.
But before I retire, there's something you might care to comment on.
We have a prolific poster on this board, well-known for his dedication to his county.
He posts on a number of other fora also, including one that is devoted mainly to discussions by fans of his own county. After a game in which his county team got well and truly tanked, he put up a critical post and singled one player out for special abuse. He gave him a slating, saying that he wasn't up to county standard.
Net thing he knew, the player's father arrived on his doorstep in a very angry state of mind. (The Identity of the poster in question is well-known in his own area.)
The player in question was a third level student and was sitting his finals at the time.
He did not read the offending post but his friends were quick to tell him about. His nerves were badly shot already but he went to bits after hearing about this and his father was very concerned for his state of mind so he went looking for the individual who criticised his son.
Now if you were in a position to decide what should be the outcome of this doorstep confrontation, what would your verdict be?
Would you tell the father to eff off as his son had no business paying attention to anything that was posted on the Internet?
Would you feel that the player in question was too soft for intercounty football and should pack it in forthwith?
Would you say that in the interests of Free Speech, it should be a case of publish and be damned and hard luck on whoever got upset?
Anyway the possibilities are endless and you may come up with some reaction that I haven't mentioned.
Maybe you'd care to enlighten me. ;D
+1
Read the first paragraph Lar. Take it you avoid posting on Twitter ;).
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
Okay Jinxy, I know when I'm beaten...
Logic and Meath men make strange bedfellows.
Seems to me that you're saying that if players can't take scurrilous, ill-founded abuse from anonymous keyboard warriors, they should get to hell out of it and find something less stressful to do. Furthermore, players should keep away from social networking of any sort because if they don't read something, it won't upset them. And also that those who could be offended should ignore what is posted on Twitter, Facebook and the likes.
But before I retire, there's something you might care to comment on.
We have a prolific poster on this board, well-known for his dedication to his county.
He posts on a number of other fora also, including one that is devoted mainly to discussions by fans of his own county. After a game in which his county team got well and truly tanked, he put up a critical post and singled one player out for special abuse. He gave him a slating, saying that he wasn't up to county standard.
Net thing he knew, the player's father arrived on his doorstep in a very angry state of mind. (The Identity of the poster in question is well-known in his own area.)
The player in question was a third level student and was sitting his finals at the time.
He did not read the offending post but his friends were quick to tell him about. His nerves were badly shot already but he went to bits after hearing about this and his father was very concerned for his state of mind so he went looking for the individual who criticised his son.
Now if you were in a position to decide what should be the outcome of this doorstep confrontation, what would your verdict be?
Would you tell the father to eff off as his son had no business paying attention to anything that was posted on the Internet?
Would you feel that the player in question was too soft for intercounty football and should pack it in forthwith?
Would you say that in the interests of Free Speech, it should be a case of publish and be damned and hard luck on whoever got upset?
Anyway the possibilities are endless and you may come up with some reaction that I haven't mentioned.
Maybe you'd care to enlighten me. ;D
I think every single person involved in this incident could do with a swift kick up the hole.
I don't have a Twitter account for those that do is there not settings to allow only friends/followers to comment on your account?
Yeah, you can protect your account but if you stick in your name you'll obviously see all the bad stuff people are saying about you.
Or, if you have some good 'friends' as per the incident above, they'll tell you all the bad stuff people are saying about you.
Then your father can go around to their house and say, "Leave my boy alone, or else!", as if he was ten years old.